Things of Beauty: Super Smash Bros. as Spectator Sport

[@superbarukun]

Coming back to this video over 7 years later to celebrate. On today, October 9th, 2022 aMSa The Red Yoshi just won The Big House 10, one of the most heavily stacked super major tournaments in Melee history. He beat Mang0, one of the old five gods and The Big House's reigning champion, having won four of them in the past including TBH 9. This is the FIRST time a Yoshi has ever won a major tournament, let alone a super major. aMSa's years and years of dedication proved this video right: Melee is STILL changing, STILL weird, and STILL beautiful.

[@kickman2094]

YOOOOO 🥳🎉🥳

[@taytertot9382]

And beat zain clean at summit 14

[@ToshiRolls]

APEX 2022

[@richboss_]

That's super cool.

[@firebal6129]

Came here for this Cheers Amsa!

[@UPRUnimeme]

"Does amsa have staying power" He won his first major about 10 minutes ago in the year of our yoshi 2022. Love to see it

[@OhWellWhatTheHell1]

the year is 20 eggs eggs

[@BatteryBatterFree]

wyowww😊

[@stardust7780]

Here from the future, Captain Falcon just won a supermajor.

[@joemoliterno9117]

WIZZYYYYYY!

[@jacobhouser7672]

VIVA LA FALCON

[@androidhammer]

WIZZZZZZZGANNNNGGGG

[@FFXfever]

Here again a bit later: Pika won a major.

[@androidhammer]

@@FFXfever Wizzy and Axe out here changing the whole meta

[@capefry8323]

Hey man, I'm from the future. A few seconds ago, Amsa won the Big House 10 in front of 74k+ viewers on Twitch. A Yoshi, solo. And melee will truly never die.

[@chandlergoldsmith8440]

No way I'm also from the future and I can confirm that I was on of those 74K+ viewers.

[@capefry8323]

@@chandlergoldsmith8440 NO FUCKING WAY HI FIVE! (Raises hand)

[@leonardorestrepo5196]

Best part is that Toph talked about how poetic it is that aMSa was featured so heavily in this vid

[@TheBucketSkill]

That's why naming this video "Smash bros" is bad, we really mean melee. They come and go, but Melee remains.

[@wingedstring]

Melee nevwe dies ❤

[@reignandbongao9497]

"does amsa have staying power?" I'm from the future. Amsa is top 10 now. Guess he does.

[@akerguido9399]

@No Fun Intended iirc, he helped make it, lol.

[@gligurr]

looool

[@Madx2326]

@@akerguido9399 what really?

[@cranberry4860]

@@Madx2326 yeah. I heard a couple of other smashers were asked to help make the game, at the cost of not attending tournaments.

[@polybent9748]

Reignand Bongao does Kirby get bumped up on the tier list

[@BacchusGames]

"a captain falcon has never won a major" NOT ANYMORE BOYS. MY BOY WIZZY HAS DONE IT.

[@quantum6637]

I came back to this video just to comment this XD

[@salvatore_slate]

YESSSS

[@Descro382]

Fatality is either proud or jealous lol

[@peep3879]

@@Descro382 melee falcon is a lot better than ultimate/smash 4 falcon

[@Descro382]

@@peep3879 I know lol

[@evanfinke6265]

“The more everyone does one thing, the more valuable it is to do anything else.” Fucking awesome line

[@connoranastasio]

7 years, 1 month and 20 days after this video was posted, aMSa won The Big House 10. A solo Yoshi won the most stacked melee tournament of all time. This game will never die ❤️

[@goobyaluob]

I get chills every time I see the Daigo Parry. The ingame sounds, the sound of the crowd... damn that clip is so good

[@eadbound]

Yes

[@danielpreston3923]

Goob Yaluob same and I have never played street fighter and when I saw that at evo I freaked

[@ortcelo6947]

Goob Yaluob same but when I see the wombo combo.

[@geneirai]

honestly I don't agree with the 'video games don't have rules they have laws' theory on why games 'arn't like sports' because that daigo parry? it's impossible to react for, you can't see the super start up AND the parry input, you have to do a read of your opponent, it's exactly the same as a coach calling time out because he recognises a off placed whatever in the other coaches lineup and changing his attack plan to compensate, it's that level of 'meta play' that makes sports interesting. it doesn't matter if it's 'a conclusion of the mechanics' a goal eventually happening in most sports is a conclusion of the mechanics of having goals in the game, what matters is how you play against your opponent. street fighter has been and always will be about two things, area denial and reading your opponent.

[@wittyjester]

You don't get the difference between a law (like in a law of physics, not a legality) and a rule. A rule is something you can hash out and agree on with your fellow players. A law is something that can't be changed, negotiated, influenced oder manipulated in any manner, like the speed of light being a constant.

[@MEngelberts]

Here from the future, Pikachu just won a super major. 2019 has been an absolute crazy year for Melee

[@hps362]

Axe suddenly probably a top 3 player and Wizzy too so wait is mango worse than both of them idk WHAT IS mELEE NOW??????????

[@sharsasuke01]

Falcon too.

[@NarokathCrimzonAE]

Indeed, Melee is super interesting now!

[@o_oro-q1k]

Yeah it got kicked out of EVO LOL

[@gamebox3193]

Here from even farther in the future, Mang0 is at worst 2nd in the world and there are 3 falcons in the top 10

[@vanillaGreen1]

My 57 year old dad was watching the Smash Con tourney with me (on the Twitch app for Xbox One) and he treated it just like a soccer game. The moment ESAM took a game off of Zero, he freaked out. He was able to understand the goal of the game and he was following along just like me. He's seen me play Smash before but maybe only twice, several months before Smash Con. I never even explained the mechanics to him, he just got it.

[@rickwilson3703]

That's awesome lol, I think watching smash is much simpler for a newcomer to get excited about and understand then a MOBA

[@LuigiMan311]

That is so fucking cool

[@Applesgosh]

LuigiMan311 My thoughts exactly

[@GrifMoNeY]

+idkJulio It's not hard to get the mechanics of Smash. It's King of the Hill, and the more you get beat up, the harder it is to stay on top!

[@BassAsLeaders]

+idkJulio I'm jealous.. so jealous

[@hermesthenerd]

this video aged so well as amsa is reaching status as a top 10 mainstay. many of the gods are retiring/falling off the top. players are pulling out more knuckleballs to surprising effectiveness. if you ever make an update, i think that so many people would flock back to see your take on this evolution. thanks for the wonderful video!

[@msferrox]

Now Falcon has won a super major!

[@rumfordc]

@@msferrox as well as Pikachu

[@nathansimon7607]

1 year later aMSa is fringe top 20. Melee is a crazy ass game. There truely will never be a game like it, but I’m sure some obnoxious KZbin commenter willl comments under be about melee HD on the Nintendo Holoport.

[@lukerose4166]

@@nathansimon7607 Amsa is not fringe too 20. That’s absurd, amsa is top 10

[@quantumblurrr]

It’s like MMA for the autistic

[@vmp916]

To quote a wise man "Where you at? Where you at? Where you at? Ohh Oh my God. Wombo Combo"

[@LARAUJO_0]

That ain't Falco

[@chzcake44s]

"my fucking dick hurts"

[@allegedexodus8520]

Happy feet!

[@noahbaker7530]

Get yo ass whupped

[@bobbyquinn3424]

The Wise Man's name is Brandon AKA Homemadewaffles.

[@tupactheory3739]

I had no idea that you were both this guy and the guy making Alt-Right Playbook. Oh my god. You are THE content creator.

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

Seeing that yoshi turned into a scary force of egg throwing madness beyond all logic terrifies me. Loved seeing the look on the dudes face when he lost to yoshi. He wasn't happy. He wasn't mad. He was in a alternate dimension questioning his own reality like all of us were lol. Even the winner was shocked lol.

[@oinkoink1909]

M2k always looks like that lol

[@soulus98]

M2K looks like that whether he wins or loses haha

[@willmalony7712]

Tamashii Dane except when he wins summit

[@ubberJakerz]

@@willmalony7712 when he wins summit he looks like you unplugged his brain.

[@emancules]

@@ubberJakerz 💀💀😂😂😂

[@xf1956]

Here from the future, Amsa the red Yoshi just won a supermajor.

[@gasboy122]

That’s Amsa section almost made me cry. I love that Yoshi.

[@macvspc]

I literally did lol There was something about this video that really affected me in a strong way lol

[@annyanich32]

@@macvspc Same

[@sasukekuniski1959]

@@annyanich32 weak people

[@Musica-fj9uw]

Mew2king has fainted

[@connordavis4766]

I remember watching that m2k amsa match and literally jumping out of my chair and screaming. My girlfriend thought I got bit by a snake or something

[@999a0s]

there's something about Melee that separates it from other fighting games and puts it in a category of its own. Melee has a physics system. it is a cartoon "analogy" of real-world physics - not a realistic simulation, but a collection of physical mechanics that combine to create deep and engaging gameplay. a fighting game can be seen as a high-speed competition of animation states. players are constantly trying to control space and get their character in the ideal animation state to put their opponent at a disadvantage. here's where Melee separates itself: in a traditional fighting game like Street Fighter, Tekken, etc, character movement is solely based on the character's animation tree, each state of which has a static velocity. usually this consists of back / forward walking states and a jump. the speeds of these options are static and don't change. in Melee, however, not only do characters have a deeper suite of movement states (walk, dash, run, turnaround, shorthop, fullhop, airdodge, falling) *a character's animation states interact with the physics system.*. a character with low friction travels farther before turning around; a character with high horizontal airspeed can float horizontally in the air farther after a jump. the combination of a deeper movement tree, options to influence momentum in the air and on the ground, and the characters and environment being endowed with physical properties, leads to a polynomial explosion in the complexity of the movement system. this is what takes melee into a whole new category. the fact that the space of movement options is so complex means that melee *feels physical*. it's the best way i can describe it. melee has such freedom of expression in movement that a player can express not only skill, but STYLE in movement. only in melee can you "break someones ankles" and "style on em" with the finesse of a streetball player. in a game theoretical sense, melee's game state is wildly complex compared to other fighting games. the number of properties influencing player interactions at any given time is huge. this makes melee a much more "open" game compared to traditional fighters, and i think this is a part of why the traditional FGC has been so quick to deride it. games like SF have a much more "locked down" state, and traditional FGC competition states like option selects become much more central parts of the experience as a result. this leads people to see it as a more "true" or "pure" fighting game focused on execution, yomi, and mindgames. in reality, though, melee has an equally central focus on reads, option selects, and mindgames, but like i said, there are simply more properties in play, so the skillset becomes a combination of traditional FGC skill and the "physical" skill / intuition of melee. in melee, you can force an option select by throwing a nair into a shield...but that nair can come after a jump with any different horizontal or vertical momentum. you can shorthop in with nair and drift back to just nick the shield, avoiding the hitbox of the opponent's counterplay. you can get hit, so you fly backwards, then airdodge 160 degrees to the left when you're 4 frames above landing on the platform, causing you to slide along the platform based on your character's friction value and the ground's friction value, falling backwards off the platform and throwing another move out on the way down to catch the opponent. etc.

[@NickKrishnan]

i like what you have to say here, but the way you use "option select" with respect to melee is technically incorrect, at least with respect to the FGC term. even with respect to melee, i would define that nair on shield situation as a mix up, not an option select.

[@999a0s]

@@NickKrishnan you're right - it's a mix up.

[@JoeGess]

I love how that streetfighter match was so revolutionary what he did, and the game was like."Eh... I'll give ya a B. Do a better clutch next time :T"

[@Ilovevidgames123]

Third Strike's grading system is a fucking enigma. It seems to have been based on assumptions on the part of the developers about how the game's meta would develop and how to optimally play each character, assumptions that appear to have been grossly incorrect. Getting a high grade with Urien, for example, is almost impossible.

[@WanderDMC]

Grant Larson Not only that it's basically impossible to get a MSF rank in Third Strike unless it's TAS. I don't think they really did expect you to get such high ranks since it might as well just be RNG.

[@Aritso]

This is why games shouldn't rank how you play since there's never been a time where the game or the AI has known better than you.

[@rodrigojps]

@@Aritso You're kinda late for this, mate

[@Aritso]

Rodrigo J.P.S. Mind your own business, I do what I want.

[@DaBlueJay2001]

Here's what happened Ken (Daigo) had 1 pixel of health, Chun-li (Justin Wong) had the super, he couldn't jump it and he couldnt block it because he would still get hurt on block. But third strike has parries. Daigo had to press forward in a frame perfect direction to not die and build meter and styles on Justin with the jump, leading to a short combo in which he won the tournament. Evo moment 37 in a nutshell.

[@fangsabre]

Words kind of undersell just how fucking ridiculous that is to pull off. If that were an anime it would be the season finale with the big dramatic music at the end

[@nyquillusdillwad9119]

@@fangsabre It wouldn't even be believable in an anime.

[@fangsabre]

@@nyquillusdillwad9119 I mean, isnt that basically what Ultra Instinct was in Dragonball Super?

[@nyquillusdillwad9119]

@@fangsabre well yea... but he's Saiyan. I mean like in terms of human abilities this seems unrealistic. I mean like there's this basket ball anime called kuroko no basket right, and some of the things they do are crazy and unrealistic, but then people find clips of actual people doing the same stuff in real life. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZ3XoYaho7SZq6c

[@fangsabre]

@@nyquillusdillwad9119 yeah and the Dempsey Roll from Hajime no Ippo is an actual boxing technique used in real life. Anime dramaticizes real life concepts

[@JP13-22]

This video changed my life, this video introduced competitive smash to me. Since then the struggles I faced trying to get better taught me life lessons I will never be able to fully explain. From teaching me how to improve myself and not rely on talent (which I had none for smash). I have no idea where I would be. So thank you for making this video man. You changed my life. And Thank you to the lord for recommending it to me.

[@relaxalax]

Wow. Great video! Such a good stream of conscience, and you explain your thoughts. Also, you described just why i love Smash so much :)

[@Zange217]

This is why I root for the low tiers in tournaments.

[@OfDaSouth]

RelaxAlax Innuendo Studios Yo you know you made a good video when ALAX SAYS IT'S GOOD. G FUCKING G MAN, GODLIKE VID.

[@UheReasin]

+RelaxAlax Hilarious I've found Waldo in the comments. And my mother always told me you were just in books...

[@itsjacob502]

+RelaxAlax i like your videos, they're so helpful, but please change the intro song it's so cheesy lmao

[@thekingdedede]

Sup Alax

[@dayne0987654321]

Imagine if 7 years after this video, amsa wins the hardest melee tournament of all time. Would be so crazy

[@happymonkeyfish]

Well sheeeeeiiiittt

[@Glennjamyyyn]

For some reason I can't help but keep coming back to this video every now and then. There's something so beautiful about it; the set up, the buildup and satisfying ending about eye-widening comparisons.

[@lucasportnoy3063]

Extremely little-known pointless factoid: Wobbles didn't actually invent wobbling, he just popularized it.

[@RedHairdo]

NOT EVEN GOOD Who did then?

[@thankfullydaniel4212]

RedHairdo Prob Chu, he invented ICs

[@lucasportnoy3063]

nealt, oldschool TO creator of AllisBrawl iirc

[@OfDaSouth]

NOT EVEN GOOD little known fact, Wobbles' original main was Mario.

[@KoDoRiN]

NOT EVEN GOOD Another extremely little-known pointless factoid: Isai did the Haxdash in 2005 before Hax coined the term.

[@xXilisminusXx]

Falcon mains play for the love of the game

[@KaNoot_]

YES WE DO!

[@julianrubin4575]

YES WE DO!

[@penguinlrs9393]

Except for Wizy...

[@mysteryman1036]

YES YOU DO! Also, you low key picked the best character ever.

[@NarokathCrimzonAE]

This!

[@saphsound9777]

i've been watching alt right playbook for awhile now and i never connected the dots that you made this video too. anyway it's 2022 and amsa just won the biggest tournament in melee history with yoshi. feels good

[@user-nm9yd4wq4s]

Man, I resonate SO MUCH with the concept shared in this video of "what the system can't stop you from doing". People will always write it off negatively as a glitch and undermine players for doing them, but when the glitches evolve into tech such as wave dashing or bunny hopping it amounts to so much more! The developers unintentionally create mechanically expressive games that make the game feel more rewarding for executing inputs skillfully, and creating a fast paced fun experience overall.

[@machduel]

"Even as I know no one's won a major tournament with him in years" hehe

[@msferrox]

20GX has arrived...

[@BrushpointJ]

Man, I used to be a STAUNCH smash casual elitist. I'd play Brawl/PM/4 with smash balls on (and a couple other items), hated FD and 'boring' triplats, and thought that using "glitches" like wavedashing, desyncing, etc invalidated Melee as a viable competitive game, going as far as to say "Melee is a solved game" occasionally. Then, I watched this video, and shortly after, the Smash Doc. Needless to say, my opinion pretty much did a 180. Every once in a while, I'll come back to this video, and it makes me really happy that I've come around on the competitive.

[@harrylane4]

honestly elitists either way are bullshit. anyone who insists "competitive rules only" has never played drunk smash.

[@OhWellWhatTheHell1]

Here from the future, aMSa just won a supermajor with Yoshi.

[@LINKedup101]

here from the future, A YOSHI HAS WON A SUPER MAJOR

[@MisterZebra42]

Dude, this a fantastic video. I think you just put into words what everybody's been thinking subconsciously for a while now. Really well done.

[@MisterZebra42]

DrewsFire About why we play Smash and why Melee's such a cool esport.

[@cheezypb4378]

this video hits different today love you amsa

[@nonomen6665]

This video has become so much more beautiful after Wizzy's win at Smash 'N' Splash, Axe's at Summit, and aMSa's at Big House

[@JSSMVCJR2.2]

#keepSmashBrothersWeird !

[@johannesmadest182]

Here from the future, Yoshi just won a supermajor

[@eu4um]

“Does Amsa have any staying power?” 2020 Top 10 Amsa: “Hi” Edit: 2022: YES HE FUCKING DOES LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@MachuPichucp11]

HI

[@BestSomebodyNA]

@@MachuPichucp11 YOSHI!

[@4thport464]

2022 BH10 Champ aMSa: Hi

[@MachuPichucp11]

From the future, Amsa the red yoshi won The Big House 10, one of if not the most stacked supermajors of all time. Unbelievable

[@honorunder]

Another update from the future: aMSa's Red Yoshi just won a supermajor. game is still beautiful, 21 years from release.

[@DoomJoy666]

Mango trash talk? You mean leffen. Mango is just the dad that likes to joke around

[@LunarySSF2]

+DoomJoy666 I don't think shitting on Hungrybox is what I would call "joke around".

[@TheBarbarian125]

Elie4Elite But box is shit. I don't get how he's still in the top 5 and now the Big 6. He plays 1 character, and plays super campy and boring. He only wins cuz he has more patience than others. I'm not hating on xbox, cuz i kind of like him, but he even said it him self in the documentary, his hands aren't fast enough for tech skill. So he just uses jigs.

[@DoomJoy666]

Elie4Elite i met mango at evo2015 he said he'd be hboxs friend but hbox is to uptight and doesn't like mangos life style there for doesn't like mango. Mango gives every one a hard time but it isn't serious like leffen

[@AbatedToast77]

+DoomJoy666 This is the most accurate description of Mango i have ever seen. Well done.

[@Superkirbeh]

+Elie4Elite Hbox is uptight. He doesn't approve of Mang0's drunkard lifestyle and is really vocal about not approving it. Gloating about how he's in school and "has a life" while talking down to Mang0 cause all he wants to do is be the best at Smash. He's a posh little shit.

[@FreyrFox]

god bless. Smash is imo the easiest esport to watch. Commentators like scar and toph bring hype AND knowledge (in that order), which help me have fun watching and understand. Its just so accessable and understandable, thats why i too picked up falcon and sheik a month ago. I LOVE this video thus far. I share your strong passion for both watching and participating. no other esport, or dare i say game, has made me feel like this. I love your point on tech in smash compared to combos and such in other games. Its not like sakurai put those in.. clearly. Its great how the games greatest tech and combos are named after the greatest in the game, like a legacy. Glad you talked about yoshi too

[@Eshmasesh671]

Bradley Doesnt Give A Fox Shit I almost read that wrong xD I thought you said Smash was the easiest esport I was gonna FLIP my shit xD

[@mushmak]

i agree before i started to actually play competitively i played casually with my friends but i would watch the competitives all thr time like day and night like wife said you dont need to know the terms and stuff cause melee is a spectator sport :]

[@FreyrFox]

the core mechanics of smash are so understandable that spectators dont need to know too much to get happy

[@admiralkebob3245]

What do you mean by "easy to watch"? I hope I'm not asking too stupid of a question.

[@FreyrFox]

AdmiralKebob Easy to watch, to me means being able to watch a live stream of the game competitively and understand relatively what is going on by watching. I.e what player is winning and why, and watching what theyre doing. A lot of other games (MOBAS especially) arent as easy to watch and enjoy if you dont know what youre looking at.

[@bearyboy9088]

This video makes me feel that evo is getting more mainstream attention everyday which is pretty cool

[@Matanumi]

It loses some.luster over the years....but melee is still there

[@electricworld3429]

@@Matanumi this comment aged poorly

[@michaelplz9069]

@@Matanumi :(

[@parker469a]

I still like MaximillionDood. I hope this ages well. :)

[@jimpa7011]

@@Matanumi oh

[@joshuaprice8934]

Aaaaaand Yoshi just won the most stacked tournament of all time

[@abset987]

16:21 "That's fair" immediately after getting a fair stage spike. nice

[@andrewjett5293]

I noticed that too haha also nice name smash really likes you

[@Convicted_Melon]

In regards to the thing about Milktea. They did what they could. It's actually good that they didn't hype her up as some kind of anomaly. That would be highly reductive. Not saying her inclusion was anything other than completely boring but honestly, not drawing attention to "OOH LOOK A GRILL" was the best way they could've gone about it; 'cuz if were going by clout and skill alone she probably wouldn't have been included at all. She was pretty good but she wasn't like, top 8 good.

[@anobodywhossomebody3972]

Someone understands

[@averagejoessb3110]

Yeah the hard part is when there aren't that many girls that play (and are really good) it's hard to showcase them. But at the same time that is in no way the fault of the melee community I just think that the game is probably less appealing to girls.

[@chinarep1]

Yeah, I checked the rest of this channel's videos after that because it seemed like a really dumb thing to say if you actually knew anything about her performance as a player. The guy seems to be a massive SJW who has yet to realize the irony of asking people to discriminate for others based on their gender instead of their ability while still calling himself a feminist.

[@ujiltromm7358]

​@@averagejoessb3110 The best example of "a hyped-up-for-being-female female gamer crushed at the top level and forgotten" I have is a team going by the name Team Siren, playing LoL. Got a spot in LCS as plat/diamond individuals and a Gold1 team. Girls. Women. Ladies. We don't want you to "feel" included and/or to "feel" represented. We want you to include yourselves as individuals, and people will respect you for that. But that takes honest work and a lot of sweat inputting controls. That will make you be respected as a competitive female gamer. The guys that will be berated by other guys for being "beaten by a girl", will respond that they got beaten by a better player. Because that will be the only thing that matters.

[@pokevenom314]

I loved the video, but his mention of identity politics was annoying.

[@_cogojoe_]

Not only falcon won a supermajor, but so did YOSHI. This game will live on forever.

[@noisepollution4473]

If you count Summits we've got a Pikachu win, too

[@FirePuff12]

It's crazy looking back at this video every few years and considering all of the developments. In 2019, Wizzrobe won the 1st Supermajor with Falcon since 2005. And in 2022, aMSa actually won a Supermajor with Yoshi and has gone from the hero of 1 set in this video, to a straight up contender for the #1 spot. It's surreal, and watching this video reminds me JUST HOW SURREAL it is!

[@Toonie]

I’m here from the future, Yoshi just won a supermajor :)

[@RatfinksMethinks]

Hearing you say "I love captain falcon even though no one has won a tournament with him in years" is SO SATISFYING NOW THAT WIZZY WON SnS

[@Sasoripwns]

smash is an anime

[@Autz64]

Is a Manga.

[@Sasoripwns]

smash is a hentai

[@okamileek006]

+Sasoripwns smash that puss am I right? kill me

[@AuroraX7]

hentai

[@Bebolife12345]

I hate weebs

[@joshuapaul8580]

Happy to say that in late 2021 amsa is still relevant and a joy to watch

[@CYellowan]

Little did he know that he was not reaching at all. aMSa is steadily climbing. The art of doublejump armor, and super-well timed parries, truly has changed Yoshi's rating and viability.

[@paddyscott2328]

Sure Amsa is now a consistent threat to all the Gods and Yoshi is high tier now but all that spiel about Fox was the biggest reach in the video. Even at the time this video was this video massively overemphasized Fox's centralisation and now that there's only one and a half foxes left in the top 10 it's just outlandish.

[@byrne1807]

@@paddyscott2328 No Fox is still widely regarded as the best character in the game. Very common at high level play, especially with Leffen being such a dominant force. There is an argument to be made for puff/marth at a human level, but with no losing matchups and a toolkit like he has, its hard to argue he's not the central character of the competitive melee scene

[@paddyscott2328]

Fox is mostly thought of as the best but not universally so. More and more top players think its Marth or Puff, and while I think it's still Fox the gap is very small, not huge like this video suggests.

[@NeonDart]

@@paddyscott2328 well technically the gap probably is pretty big but that potential can't be reached by a human.

[@paddyscott2328]

​@@NeonDart 1. That's arguably not true, since Marth and Puff have disjoints that could potentially nullify Fox's fast movement and hitbox generation, and if played perfectly by a machine would theoretically be able to space out anything Fox could do since they would not be overwhelmed by his speed. 2. Even if Fox is an order of magnitude ahead of the other characters on a theoretical level, that's not relevant to the human experience of the game.

[@hereforthehoney]

Yo... did he just walk up SLOWLY and down smash?!?!

[@1122markj]

He did! He really did tho!

[@vgg175]

HAX, are you gonna let him do that to you?

[@yuvalsela4482]

That up smash. Happy feet, WOMBO COMBO, THAT AIN'T FALCO! THAT AIN'T FALC- OOOOH!OOOOH!OOOH WHERE YOU AT! WHERE YOU AT! GET YOUR ASS WHOUPED!

[@juicecup2545]

I love how this was two years ago, but only now does anyone understand it You good sir, have gained my respect.

[@bensomeone]

"I have favorites" Red circle around Hbox

[@LegendLeaguer]

There was a recent, really well done video with the title like "There will Never Ever be a player like Hungrybox" that lead me to have him as my favorite pro. The whole series that guy did were really good. Shame about the views he seems to have outside of that.

[@queuedjar4578]

@@LegendLeaguer EmpLemon doesn't really get into his political views and opinions in his videos so I really don't know where the hate he gets comes from because even me, an avid viewer and subscriber since 2012, doesn't even know his political stance or views completely (comes across as more middle to me but really I don't know the guy at all and I'm sure many don't). Regardless of whatever his views are he makes some pretty quality content.

[@LegendLeaguer]

@@queuedjar4578 I'm referring to his Jimmy Kimmel video. It sucks, because he's right about Kimmel specifically, but the video relies on the rest of what he talks about also being right, which it isn't

[@randallp4198]

Came to this video specifically since aMSa just won Big House 10

[@pinkiemk3610]

“Does AMSA have staying power?” Coming from October 2022, yes he does

[@ethanherzing652]

Today is October 9th, 2022. aMSa has just won a super major. A super major considered the hardest melee bracket of all time. Whether or not that’s true, what is absolutely true is that aMSa is an inspiration… and his journey is a thing of beauty

[@Celia_Dawn]

2022 and Amsa just won the most stacked tournament of all time.

[@djh321]

Watching this video after Summit 11 and seeing the call out of aMSa and Yoshi's viability is like watching someone read the future. Love this video Ian, very well done

[@novaket1264]

To be honest. Smash Melee is a game which I can't get used to but love to death to watch Smash 4 is a game which I can play but don't love to watch it.

[@bartymatrix7]

Smash is 4 boring watching aside from montages and combo videos.

[@orb3796]

+bartymatrix7 look up esam vs istudying , thank me later

[@green3487]

I thought I was the only one ;-;

[@RamzaBeoulves]

+Vee The smash community needs more people like you and less haters :)

[@bboy32167]

i feel similarly although i love both games, i cant stand watching smash 4 its so slow

[@adamleen254]

YOU TALKED ABOUT SMASH IN A COHERENT WAY - AND YOU TALKED ABOUT THE COMMUNITY WITHOUT SKIRTING AROUND THE EXTREME LACK OF WOMEN PLAYING - subscribed

[@moocow0033]

Amsa the red yoshi took all the games en route to a supermajor win at the Big House 10. A yoshi has won it all boys; 21 years into a developed meta. Absolutely iconic.

[@kirbyhm]

I watched this when it first came out and it got me into competitive melee. Amsa has always been one of my favorite players and to see him finally win a super major after so many years is fantastic.

[@TekMoliGy]

EVERYONE roots for captain falcon regardless of their main. He's the most hype character in the game.

[@secondengineer9814]

Sometimes I just come back and watch this video because it's awesome

[@marinanicole5693]

Honestly I love this channel

[@oz8497]

Here from the future, Yoshi just won a supermajor LETS GO AMSA

[@OnsetFrog]

AMSAAAAAA WON HISTORY HAS BEEN MADE

[@MatrixEvolution17]

Competitive Smash fights look like DBZ fights at times, it's crazy

[@FlyingMonkey208]

ikr

[@redgeoblaze3752]

I'll occasionally think "This game is the perfect adaptation of this show, or movie" Like for example, Terraria is the closest I've seen to a game version of Adventure time, Stardew valley reminds me a lot of Steven universe in a way. Now you've helped me see that Smash is DBZ.

[@T_Man]

Here from the future, aMSa the red Yoshi just won a supermajor.

[@AmyteGaming]

I AM HERE TO ANNOUNCE THAT AMSA MADE HISTORY AND WON THE BIGGEST STACKED SUPERMAJOR TODAY

[@JackSpadeVT]

Almost 9 years later and this game has only gotten weirder. I haven't practiced it in years but man I love seeing how the game meta evolves, with Low Tiers rising up the ranks and more people trying out characters other than Fox. 20XX may have passed, but this game has a bright future ahead

[@loorthedarkelf8353]

People will always be people, and People Are Bad At Fast Repition. We get exhausted, bored, distracted-- and in multiple attempts in short order Iteration Is Inevitable. As a fact of our meat, we will always do things a lil different than last time. And seeing that bear out over time decade by decade is the closest I've come to understanding Lovecraft 😂

[@kaceesunshine2246]

In 2022, aMSa and his red Yoshi won one of the biggest and most stacked tournaments of all time, The Big House!

[@isaacwilson4273]

Here from the future, yoshi just won a super major

[@tato4662]

Here from the future, a Yoshi just won a supermajor tournament

[@rgh271]

This is unironically my favourite youtube video I've ever seen. It's brilliantly written and edited, your voice is really nice to listen to, and it introduced me to evo moment 37. Thank you for making this video

[@tonys7524]

Wow, on falcon you mentioned Lord but not Wizzy. Wow.

[@OfDaSouth]

I have 7 subscribers WEST COAST HYPE

[@Applesgosh]

I have 7 subscribers I was also hoping he'd mention n0ne

[@twitchinstereo]

I have 7 subscribers He's not actually as aware as he likes to make himself sound.

[@shadoninja]

Wizzy is a loser. He plays all 4 games. He ain't m2k.

[@themccannman]

I have 7 subscribers Unless you're a west coast player you probably don't know much about lord, but on the west coast lord is kinda famous. He doesn't frequently go to tournaments but he's still the best falcon in norcal and trashes almost everyone when he shows up, not to mention he bleeds style. Also, he's not really an "up-and-comer", he's been around for a while, he's pretty OG.

[@palvindarchhokar9821]

coming to this video as asma just won the big house, can't wait to see wwhere melee will go

[@mactheattack100]

He did it. aMSa did it. And it was beautiful

[@lukasoliverleo3730]

I can't belive this vid is nearly 6 years old. I still remember when it popped up on my recommended shortly after it was uploaded

[@Zeone_]

I hope you watched Big House 10

[@ast8177]

This video was my first ever to be in my Watchlater and it remained there since then Even after watching it a couple times I only put it there to save it for a rewatch

[@autotechniggaz]

"The more everyone gets to do one thing, the more valuable it becomes to do anything else." This man and this video just became one of my favorite youtubers/videos on KZbin. Lol this comment it the definition my my existence as a video game player. I main cheetah on injustice, I make Naruto ultimate ninja storm look like a chess match when I play with my friends, when I play smash I use Zelda and Lucia (but I'll pick up fox real quick if you test me), dude I LOVE THIS VIDEO.!!!!

[@BeBanthenz]

Just came back to this video after a long time. I think the biggest thing about melee is that it actually feels like a sport and like you are the character on screen. It's like you express yourself with the character through skill and you don't beat your opponent's characters, you beat THEM. Kinda like in boxing, when you get your movement and skill high enough, no normal chump can ever even touch you and there really isn't a limit on how good you can get. Once you land a cool combo in melee and your friends pop off like DAMN - you are literally hooked for life.

[@jejetube7667]

I'll keep a note here of many times I come back and rewatch this. I always come back and watch this video because of that line you say by the end. "And I love explaining *why* I love it". And in this rewatch (i think it's my 6th so far) you just made me realize that is truth for everything I love doing lmao. I would love to have a way to integrate that into my life. Explaining *why* i love the things i love.

[@hurstshifter]

Your experience falling in love with competitive Smash is nearly identical to mine. Great video!

[@IRecognizeDorks]

This video came out the same year To Pimp a Butterfly did. Both masterpieces and perfect forms of art full of passion and love.

[@AdventureArchives]

Man you hit the nail on the head. I'm right there with you. Awesome video

[@rockzyk1291]

Mark the calendar. October 9th, 2022. aMSa won a supermajor. I can't fucking believe it. Melee is so fucking sick.

[@MrTOT555]

A well done documentary from the perspective of a gamer who barely played any video game and have little knowledge of game community overall.

[@theskullgrid]

Raven Ren This pretty much sums it up.

[@willypatrick8123]

I found your channel from a reddit comment that linked me to the Alt-Right Playbook and I was super impressed by how you dissected and reasoned your way through such a complex issue. Now here I am loving hearing you talk about a video game I haven't played in years. Honestly I think I could listen to you talk about pretty much anything. I don't care at all about competitive Smash but the way you analyze things is so compelling that it doesn't even matter. Thanks for the great content and keep up the good work!

[@KTP200]

this man is an expert at pretending that he knows what he's talking about

[@theskullgrid]

***** because it's true

[@psFACKfanboi]

Jerk to be fair, almost everyone did that after smash 4 launched. i got the game, wanted to learn the ins and outs as i'm a bit older now to actually play smash competitively, choose sonic and pac-man as mains, played the hell out of for glory, got bored of that, went to a local tourney at my college, got 3rd, then decided to watch high level tournament play, a bunch of zerosuits/sheiks/diddys relying on cheap tactics, got ashamed of playing smash 4, started watching melee, and now i am trying to learn wavedashing. (still play smash 4, but it's like...meh...) yeah, so i guess i'm in the same boat as this guy. i actually feel a bit bad about it honestly, should i?

[@RedHairdo]

***** He does know from 80 to 90% of what he talks of, which was honestly incredibly impressive, and what he HAS accurately talked of was done in an incredibly truthful and understandable way. Very few people would have pulled off a video as well-made on this as he did. Very, _very few._

[@KTP200]

This guy should shut up about melee for the same reason white people should shut up about black equality.

[@RedHairdo]

***** ? wtf?

[@noahtwigg1885]

this was put so eloquently, I have the exact same feelings about it man. its so awesome to play and watch its so hard to describe

[@MissPoplarLeaf]

The way you described how you felt as you became a Smash fan was similar how I felt when I started understanding and watching more competitive DotA tournaments. It really is all about the stories! It's about rooting for the underdogs, watching them claw their way up from the lower brackets, and come to face the favorites - and then crush them. The clutch plays with unpopular and unexpected characters, the comebacks from what you thought was the point of no return. The personalities of each team member playing out in their teamwork, or lack thereof. It's all about the story.

[@lucas56sdd]

Very cute how everyones back at this vid after Amsa's win ❤️

[@ShinyHaunter666]

here from even further in the future, yoshi just won a supermajor.

[@thenoble1]

Yoshi just won a supermajor

[@honestcommentator]

I'm genuinely so grateful that this video came across my feed, even if it appeared 7 years after its debut. I picked up Yoshi during the pandemic. Listening to your perspective made me feel like I can come to love this game as much as you do (or did) one day! Thanks for sharing your passion.

[@ryanvoigt9737]

Here from the future. AMSA just won the most stacked super major in HISTORY

[@yellowsubmarine32]

Amsa takes the championship at The Big House 2022

[@DapuffStuff]

21 Years after the game's release, Amsa the red Yoshi just won the game's hardest major so far, never needing to swap after so long. He's no gimmick, he's only here to stay and improve :))))

[@xen04]

Dapuff jumpscare