Things to consider when buying a SAAB 9-5 Old Generation

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Taking you through common questions and issues regarding the OG9-5. I hope you will find a good OG9-5 out there. Please leave a comment if you have additional tips and information that others would benefit from.
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[@tim1polman]

Everything up to the 185hp 2.3t has the gt17 turbo. Everything above has the mitsubishi td04. A big point with the 95 is rust in front of the rear wheels, behind the plastic lining.

[@tango-bravo]

These older Saab wagons are so sweet looking. I have had two 90’s Volvo wagons and I’m still driving one now. The Saabs seemed a little more upscale, but the Volvos are much easier to work on and find parts for. If I ever come across an 04-05 9-5 wagon for a great price and in great shape it will sure be tempting

[@sametgundogan103]

i am about to buy 2003 9-5 linear,this video helped a lot

[@derkanadier27]

Love these cars, but youre so right to say that proof of maintenance is vital. I bought an 07 Aero sport combi from the original owner. As the car aged he felt he could save some money doing repairs himself--Long story short he cheaped out and did a poor job--Ive spent my two months of ownership fixing his mistakes and half assed jobs...

[@yhird]

All great points! One year ago I experienced an ECU malfunction on my 2003 9-5 station wagon that involved a loss of power and communication with the ECU while driving. The problem turned out to be corrosion located in the main wire harness connector plug under the hood. The main ECU wire harness runs along the back firewall of the engine compartment and has a large male/female connector located just left of the anti-skid modulator under a black plastic rectangular cover. Over time I believe it was the power supply pin that becomes corroded and disrupts power to the ECU. The green corrosion will be very clear to see under good light. It must be very lightly scraped from pin, great care must be use. Extreme caution must be used because these male connector pins are extremely thin and fragile. I used a high quality anti-corrosion spray (Fluid Film) on both male and female connectors and reassembled. The problem has not returned since the cleaning. I also have a 2002 9-5 sedan and decided to inspect the same connector plug and found a small amount to corrosion on the same male connector pin. I performed the same cleaning and anti corrosion treatment as a preventative measure. The cars run great and stand the test of time. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays everyone.

[@TechCars]

Great additional information there! Thanks. Have a Merry Christmas and a happy new year. See you in 2021 ;)

[@yhird]

@@TechCars Thank you!

[@pieterk4960]

I have owned 3 OG9-5’s. Wonderful cars. Interior of the Dame Edna versions are a bit poorer built (material quality). Garret turbo lasted until 180.000 kms in 3 cars. In the 2006 Aero I sold it with original turbo at 200.000 kms. I own an NG9-5 now. OG9-5 vector/aero seats are the best Saab seats ever.

[@TechCars]

Certain areas of the dame edna version is nice and look much more modern compared to the pre dame edna models. I never mentioned this in the video but already in 2004 they started to remove things to save money. Such as the net pocket on the B pillar for example. Very annoying.. :-/ But that's the way it is.

[@pieterk4960]

@@TechCars you’re right about that. I think that if I would repurchase an OG9-5 I’d hunt for a 2004 model. Do a renovation and enjoy it.

[@derkanadier27]

@@TechCars My son has an 01 9-5 Wagon I have the 07 9-5 Wagon and oure so right about the little things GM has them take out to save a few bucks (Kronas)

[@themutanggaming7296]

If you reply you are awesome but I'm probably gonna buy an 2005 9-5 aero the guy says it has a rough idle when it's first started but as it warms up the idle smooths out what could that be?

[@mkay6089]

I have a 2005 3.0 tid estate and a 2000 griffin estate. I find as long as you check the oil and change it regularly and do the proper services you have little problems. My griffin is on 190.000 miles and going strong. My diesel 3.0 is on 110.00 miles and pulls like new. i am going to change the dual mass flywheel on it soon as it is original as is the clutch. I only just changes the discs as they too were original. What i love about the 3.0 diesel is .. it does not sound like a diesel. So smooth and powerful. Both just passed there MOT's here in the UK with no problems.

[@oJackOfSpades]

Took me a while to figure out what was best for me in regards to equipment package on my saab. I came to the follow conclusion: Aero: Sporty, great handling, stiff suspension and some but not all luxery equipment inside. Essentially this is what I would go for if my trips were 2-3 hrs long with breaks. The chassi is lowered and the wheels are wide so there´s quite some sound in the cupé while driving. Vector Griffin: The half-sporty luxery model. It has about everything you could ask for in an old car with the vector griffin package. It doesn´t feel as sporty and quick as the aero (different engine etc) but it drives more smoothly, less sound in the cupé and overall a great option for longer trips. Rainsensors, reversesensors etc. It´s all there. Vector regular: Again this is similar to the Aero but with a smaller engine. Aeros are hard to come by and if you´re looking for a sporty-ish car with MOST equipments, this is a good option. However make sure it´s the B235 engine and not the B205 as the latter produces less power and less tourque which results in higher rpm on highways. OB S: The suspension wears out after a while on the sport chassi models thus causing it to become VERY soft and I recommend switching the back sus to harder ones so you can fill up the trunk without the car leaning backwards. Linear (all versions): As cruising goes, I´d say this is actually the nicest cruiser version. The suspension is softer, wheels not as wide, less sound in the cupé. It doesn´t handle quite as well as the versions with sport chassi and this version also has textile seats. I´ve concluded that, YES leather seats are nice BUT from 06 onward the leather is of low quality and need a bit of maintenance or it will give and rip. In terms of engines, there are linears with the bigger engine which is nice as it allows you to drive comfortably with low RPMs on highways. Linear Griffin is probably the most family/cruiser friendly version of them all. All in all when it comes to Saab cars the main thing to remember is, these cars put out a lot of effect compared to similar cars from that era. This is great but it also requires more frequent oil changes. Saab requires more maintence on a regular basis but less big services as opposed to Volvo for example.

[@wampastompastomp]

thank you for the video man I've always liked saab

[@TechCars]

Thanks for watching! :)

[@mjm7165]

This was amazing. Thank you!! Hello from Los Angeles!

[@TechCars]

Thanks! Audio was bad though :-( Thanks for watching.

[@jasonmorahan7450]

Thanks very much mate, it really helped me. I just bought an 06 9-5 from a dealer but don't know much about them, I pick it up on Saturday. So far I found out this has a B235 motor with a T7 management system. It is an auto and is not an Aero but I don't know which specification it is other than that. It has leather seats and alloy wheels with 215/55 tyre size. I found out some specialist workshops offer performance tuning for them, which doesn't cost much and some of them are officially licensed by Saab, like the Hirsch tune but that is a bit more expensive. I'm going to get a tuning upgrade along with a full check and service next week before I even drive it around. I asked about some basic performance improvement parts for these and the workshop suggested mainly the small turbo is limited and an upgrade is probably the most significant step. I didn't know the standard small turbo tends to fail at 150-180,000 kms and this car has done about 172,000 so it actually might be necessary to replace the turbo anyway. Even if it hasn't failed yet it is likely to in the not-too-distant future. So I might pre-emptively get that turbo upgrade next week. Thanks, it was important to know about this and it makes my mind up about a significant upgrade.

[@alexanderstevens145]

Nice video relaxation narration

[@saaber95]

I like the 7 candle type light...

[@js_filming7701]

Great video! Thinking about getting a 9-5 from 2001. Merry Christmas! See you in 22 haha

[@js_filming7701]

Got a 2004 model ;)

[@Vlad-kf7hw]

hey, i just found your videos, it's a really a great help when buying used ones, thank you ^^ i want to get into the saab club too, searching the web for some good ones since some months ;) but i don't really know, i heard some stories about the CIM and the keys not being recognized from the lock...it's difficult when the next workshop for saabs is 200km away from you when your car won't start up ^^"

[@TechCars]

It can be a good idea to have spare CIM with keys if that happens. Thanks for watching :)

[@roncolangelo3264]

great review!!!

[@TechCars]

Thanks Ron :)

[@Sr.-Mizz]

The only achilles heel from my experience is problems that come from infrequent oil changes, (timing chain going bad and rod knock). But these issues are guaranteed to be avoided with frequent oil changes because of sludge in earlier model years (98-03). My 03 9⁵ suffered from both of these major issues because of infrequent oil changes during previous ownership. The first time I changed the oil, problems came knocking on my door one after the other, that's when I knew. I'm still going to buy another 9⁵, preferably between 04 and 05 since they don't suffer the dreaded sludge issues the previous years had. Those are the best model years in my opinion in terms of reliability. Great video.

[@tommyborovac1343]

Yeah it is super important changing the oil regularly. Even more frequent than 12000 km

[@familygunsandrides....8024]

I got a 1995 Saab 900S convertible, 2.3 but no turbo.

[@MrBeboopman]

I love Saab... so I'd better sub😊

[@TechCars]

Awesome! Thanks 😎👍

[@un-_-known688]

Amazing car

[@TechCars]

It truly is. Still today.. It delivers comfort, performance and safety. Tons of spare parts are available for this 9-5.

[@nicktoons9241]

Need that aero 2.8l v6

[@saabdashcamsweden4424]

good jul!

[@TechCars]

God Jul :)

[@Jonjs99]

Perfect

[@markhoffman3143]

I have an '05 ARC wagon and an '06 SportCombi with 185k and 170k miles respectively. To the author's point, these cars are getting old; the mechanicals are stone axe reliable if the car has been maintained. An oil changed saab at this age will only give in on soft and wear parts. I prefer many of Saab's engineering and ergonomics even over my wife's Audi A6. Seats, HVAC, greenhouse sightlines, power/economy and cargo capacity are superior to anything I've ever found. Where I'm finding I'm spending a lot of time in upkeep are soft parts; suspension and subframe bushings, motor mounts, hoses, hardening oring seals etc. The other issue is situational living in the US rust belt. The '05 will eventually become unsafe, the '06-'09 appears to have a rocker panel redesign which helped with the dogleg rust issue on '05 and earlier models. Parts availablity is good; knowing a Saab mechanic is a must for proper diagnosis using the tech II equipment. As for comparing the 02-05 and the '06-'09 Edna designs, I prefer the interior quality of the '05, with proper Saab gauges and less terrible hard plastic. The '06 exterior has aged nicely and is optioned out a bit better and has the 260hp, bigger brakes, sport suspension which makes driving it more fun. Good luck out there finding a good one.

[@fringe2804]

As far as I know the 2.2 Tid was quite the good engine. The 3.0 Tid was the problematic one. But still really nice video 👍🏻

[@TechCars]

Thanks for watching! That sounds good.

[@JosePerez-of7oi]

How did you get the light blue at the sun sensor

[@corinful]

Excellent video but really annoying sound in the background?

[@TechCars]

Thanks for watching. Yes I know. It was as microphone issue :-(

[@brucebeauvais1324]

I've owned 2 OG 9-5 wagons. All of his information is correct. For the U.S., market everything is 2.3t (B234E) or Aero (B234R) or the V-6. Both of my B234Es had turbo failures before 150K miles- one at 125K. One car got a non-Garrett GT1752 replacement which last for at least another 120K miles. The timing chains failed as I didn't replace them in time. The second car got a used Mitsubishi TD04. We'll see how long it lasts. Both car had SID pixel failures and alarm failures. Just has he told us would happen. He didn't suggest checking the hood lift struts ( and the hatch struts on the 5-Door) . If the struts are really bad, you'll notice it right away. Going bad, you won't find it until the weather gets cold. The hood struts are an easy replacement. The hatch struts are more complicated but can be done. Overall,a great video for the SAAB shopper.

[@jarr537]

"B234" - for the US market ? Sounds confused to me. The 9-5 came with the revised engine generation , aka. "T7" , that was dubbed B205, B235 respectively (with the defining 'L', or 'R' letters attached).

[@brucebeauvais1324]

@@jarr537 You're correct. I did err- US cars were B235 in 9-5 and B205 in NG900/9-3. I realized my error shortly after posting.

[@janpetterolsen4979]

Hei. Takk for gode og flotte videoer, masse god info! Hvor kan man kjøpe en tec2 og ekstraboks for Saab 93 Vector 2007? Mvh Norge

[@TechCars]

Hej. Tack för att du tittar :) Tech2 hittar du både på ebay, Wish och Aliexpress. Vad för box tänker du på?

[@janpetterolsen4979]

@@TechCars tenkte på Candi boksen som jeg må koble mellom tech2 og bilen. Den må jeg vel også ha for diagnose av ng93 2007/2008?

[@TechCars]

@@janpetterolsen4979 Ja det stämmer att du behöver CANDi box :) Om det inte följer med Tech2 så hitta du det här: www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20210127015818&SearchText=candi+tech2

[@janpetterolsen4979]

@@TechCars Takker og bukker for en gode forklaringer og bra videoer, du er flink. Håper vi kan sees på treff i Sverige når grensene åpner. Har tre Saab 93 to OG og en NG. Mye bil for pengene. Harvey hørt noe om at det mangler en pakning Vera fabrikken i innsuget ved turbo type Mitsubishi utgave? For andre Saab kanaler ser jeg på Flying Mechanics DIV. Han tester vakuum og på NG 93 og viser lekkasje ved turbo innsug. Ha en trivelig dag! :-)

[@northernswedenstories1028]

If you were buying a Saab now which year would you go for? We have a budget of 30,000kr. I have seen some 9-5s available from 2008 for around 20,000kr with the e85 engine, but unsure how reliable these are compared to an older Saab from 2004 and above. Think I will try to skip over 9-5s from before 2004 due to oil sludge problems

[@TechCars]

Hi! Sticking to 2004/2005 can be good idea if you don't like the look of the face lift. When talking to the workshops there seem to be some difference in the chassi. They tell me that the older ones are much better. Pre M06 that is..

[@un-_-known688]

My saab 2005 with 50k miles and theres been more than a couple of electric problems relays, wires solder joints, switches

[@TechCars]

ouch! That's not good.. Is everything sorted out?

[@un-_-known688]

@@TechCars nearly...

[@aroneden.]

So im thinking of buying a Linear 2.3t 9-5 model 2003. Is this the year where they uppgraded the motorprogram or does it still have the old from 2002?

[@TechCars]

Hi Aron. 2004 got the new modified engine block. However there are many 2003's I think that are in good shape. A working crankhouse ventilation and frequent oil changes and checkups make these car run great!

[@aroneden.]

@@TechCars thanks for The input

[@nashysi]

Yes 2003 had the new modified block in it!!

[@un-_-known688]

For a year untill the snow came, 8 thought that S button was for snow lol

[@TechCars]

😂😆

[@Vlad-kf7hw]

There's a Button with a W on it too i think, for winter-mode ^^

[@TechCars]

Yeah. They removed that when manual buttons were added to the automatic gearbox.

[@Vlad-kf7hw]

oh, good to know ^^

[@Joel..01]

Så har man en 9-5 med automat behövs inte oljan i lådan bytas föräns vid ca 19000mil?

[@TechCars]

Det är fem år och/eller 12000 mil på automatlådan.

[@mattssonfelix3882]

Should I buy the 2.0t or 2.3t? Is the turbo in the 2.0t better than in the 2.3t?

[@TechCars]

It's the same turbo in the 2.0t and 2.3t. However.. If you get the 2.3 and upgrade to a bigger turbo you could look for the aero software for the engine since that's the hardware the aero have.

[@mattssonfelix3882]

@@TechCars okay, thank you!!

[@matthewsantana9472]

I’m just about to buy a 2000 Saab 9-5 SE V6t 4-Door Wagon with 70k miles. I’ll probably get it at an auction for less than 1k

[@TechCars]

Awesome. The V6 is not very common over here. It's very rare. I've heard that it's a nice engine.

[@matthewsantana9472]

@@TechCars are there things I should look at ?

[@TechCars]

@@matthewsantana9472 I do believe it has a timing belt instead of a chain so be sure to check that it has been maintained. Also tension rollers need some care :)

[@matthewsantana9472]

@@TechCars thanks for the quick responses, you got a sub from me ☺️

[@TechCars]

@@matthewsantana9472 Thanks man! More content is being planned. Hope it will be useful in some way. BR Markus

[@jvilhelml]

Efter ca: 100 000 mil med SAABAR kan jag säga att mycket prisvärda med var noga med oljebyten och köp inte billig olja....gäller alla bilar med turbo.

[@TechCars]

Precis! Jag har alltid kört GM's egna, men det finns ju finare. Castrol Edge är ju en lite mer exklusiv olja.

[@spaceexplorer6636]

04 Aero 95 has been great! Only issue is on start up occasionally it repeatedly stalls and have to pump gas pedal to idle? Once idling it drive fine after?

[@TechCars]

Could be a few things. One thing to check is the fuelpump. Has it ever been replaced? How many miles do the car have?

[@spaceexplorer6636]

@@TechCars 125k currently, I considered the fuel pump however it starts after pumping gas pedal and runs perfect after that. More likely a air fuel type sensor Like a Air/fuel control valve or vacuum issue? Thanks for the input.

[@TechCars]

@@spaceexplorer6636 Maybe the Mass Airflow Sensor?

[@spaceexplorer6636]

@@TechCars Yes maybe, I’ll clean it and check connector. Thanks

[@ingaragewithsaab]

Still less problems than Volvo

[@johnm4498]

thinking of purchasing a 2004 9-5 with only 106k kilometers. Asking price is 6100€ …. fair?

[@TechCars]

Could be! What's the service history like?

[@johnm4498]

@@TechCars there's no detailed history, but there were regular checkups documented (roughly every 12k km) while the car was in use - the last 16,000 kilometers though has no service history. Looks to be in great condition, going to travel to see it in person soon.

[@illillillxs4612]

Hi i found a MY2010 9-5 2.3 260 ps sportcombi with 110k km at 8100 € ( 7 976$) it's a good price?

[@TechCars]

2010 260ps is a bit rare I think. It's low milage as well. Any rust?

[@illillillxs4612]

No, I have already tried the car is perfect and it also has certified coupons all in Saab

[@TechCars]

Awesome!! Best of luck 👌👍

[@illillillxs4612]

Thank you very much!!!👋👋

[@larijauhiainen8596]

You are wrong. All the airo-models have the Mitsubishi TD04-15T. Also with the model 2.3T (big T) has the mitsubishi turbocharger. All other petrol-models have the garrett.

[@TechCars]

Aero models after 2009 I belive was made with the smaller turbo producing 210bhp with ethanol (2.3t BioPower Aero). Do you agree?

[@larijauhiainen8596]

@@TechCars Might be. I thought we are talking about og 9-5 here. Im not much avare of 2009-11 Ng-models.

[@TechCars]

@@larijauhiainen8596 No I mean the OG9-5 until MY2010. There were OG9-5's produced until MY 2010 as well.

[@larijauhiainen8596]

@@TechCars No. There is no 2.3t Aero. All 9-5 aero models are with 15-t. 230-260hp. Biopower 2.3t with 210hp is not aero.

[@TechCars]

@@larijauhiainen8596 Here's one example of a 2009 Aero 2.3t. www.bytbil.com/skane-lan/personbil-9-5-sportcombi-2-3-t-biopower-automat-aero-210hk-drag-8769-15934066

[@poubelle5983]

Very useful. I own a 9-5 2.0t bought in 1998. It’s still my everyday’s car. Many little problems with the years. A rather frequent problem: the safety belts. Something breaks into the mechanism and you can’t pull the belt out. I’ve changed the driver belt 2 times, front passenger 1 time, left back passenger 1 time, middle back passenger 1 month ago. Only the right back passenger belt is original. Another problem: these parts seems to become rare to find.

[@TechCars]

The belts could be hard to source. I have the beige variant and they are a bit difficult to find. I've replaced the driver belt once on this car! I bought mine from NeoBrothersin the UK I think.

[@MrMynameisozzy]

Any 9-5 is gonna be a headache. The heater bypass valves are nightmare with all those octopus hoses and tough to change. The motor also has its problems with the blow by issue at the head gasket joint. Oil leaks at the passenger side corner of the engine. Another night mare

[@TechCars]

I had the engine removed a few years back. Did a lot of maintenance at one go incl chains etc. Newer 9-5's suffer from chain related issues. The most rock solid is the ng9-5 TiD I guess :)

[@blarkdexture8899]

Det där med 🎅 var kanske inte så genomtänkt

[@TechCars]

Tänker du på ljudet? Tror det var den förbannade skjortan 😂😂

[@MrMynameisozzy]

If you can afford it get the newer Saab 9-5 2010 up. Any other 9-5 expect horrors. Make sure your married to a Saab technician or you’ll be dumping tons of money 💰 in mechanic fees it would be funny. Seriously

[@-the-great-awakening]

What happened with the sound on this video almost unbearable 😢

[@TechCars]

I know.. I really don't know. Something with the microphone. Tried to mask it in edit but it didn't improve enough :(

[@-the-great-awakening]

@@TechCars a lot of great info though thanks🫡

[@jaydanchace5273]

Fantastic 😍💋 💝💖♥️❤️

[@raulkash1447]

OMG 😍💋 💝💖❤️

[@reedowen8190]

I'm Single 😍😥

[@TechCars]

There are lots of people on youtube. I guess that could be solved quite easily? 😅

[@urbanjam_1139]

I have one and sold it don't buy saab they are the worst and very unreliable too much mechanical issues