The surprising math behind basketball's least efficient shot

The midrange jumper has been a dying art for years. With analytics influencing basketball strategy more and more, fewer midrange shots are being taken then ever. Is the midrange a bad shot? Should it be completely replaced by drives and 3-pointers? This video takes a detailed look at the math and metagame behind NBA shot distribution.
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[@shaneyy__]

“Most shooters can’t step back to the three point line from 18 feet...” *James Harden enters stage left*

[@brig8013]

Just A Crab - and enters said stage with 1 or 2 more steps than are usually permitted lol

[@doriangrayson]

Bri g stop it

[@ObnoxiousOtter8]

Enters stage left and takes 5 steps backwards to reach the area behind the arc

[@pacman5511]

*fouled*

[@sed1589]

@@brig8013 he doesnt travel

[@WhiteBeard640]

Kawhi and Kd proved how Important the mid-range is in the playoffs where it matters!

[@jimmicrackhead12]

Golden state just take the best shots whenever they can

[@acpliego]

Ando they are the two best players, so it must help to shoot mid range

[@JD-ny3vz]

Facts all the top great scorers on the perimeter of all time have a great mid range games.

[@bladadowsweat2911]

jimmicrackhead12 Tracy McGrady, Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan, Dwyane Wade, Larry Bird, Dirk Nowitzki, Drazen Petrovic, etc.

[@gorkyd7912]

Part of me is like: this is a really in depth analysis and I learned a lot. Other part of me says John Madden could have summed this up in something like: Usually the team that scores the most points wins.

[@jfull8807]

Best basketball analysis channel on youtube by far

[@brig8013]

jfull - I second that statement

[@fonsoooooooooo]

This and Bballbreakdown are my personal favorites

[@xj_yinx]

@@fonsoooooooooo They have different styles, both have their own upside. But analysis-wise, this channel is far superior with how much of research goes into, and how he makes not so easy to understand graphs, charts, numbers, stats so understandable.

[@kennytheJETT]

At first I was skeptical but at this point it’s not even close

[@gray_gogy]

Heat check is also really good

[@Sleepingow]

Yessss, I will always instantly watch and stop whatever I’m doing to watch these videos

[@bmebuzz8718]

Zach Belton same literally

[@jareddavis4218]

Facts man underrated channel

[@nicholasbeaver6711]

BEst breakdowns. Perfect blend of analytics and eye test

[@jamessaint9999]

Zach Belton what if your girlfriend is in labor ?

[@tdms3907]

It’s weird because that’s what a lot of us grew up shooting, coach’s would teach us to step in on our pump fakes for mids

[@M0ebius]

It’s probably because at lower levels there aren’t many great shooters, three point or otherwise. Also coaches at lower levels probably don’t have the same level of access to player statistics. Finally a large percentage of them might be still stuck in an old school mindset.

[@Cyrusislikeawsome]

@@M0ebius Exactly. That being said... the math is seriously obvious and I don't know why its taken this long for people to realise. An NBA player shoots about 50% on a good day from MID range, that means you only need to shoot 33% to have equivalent value on a 3. Its not Rocket science, but if you're not used to thinking quantitatively then you just look and go "oh man, the ball isn't going in the basket as much, we're having so many lost possessions"

[@M0ebius]

Cyrusislikeawsome Things that are supposedly obvious in hindsight often isn’t easily implemented in reality. You need to first acquire a critical mass of similar thinkers, then to have representatives in positions of power, who then deliver proven results, before the overall population will accept it as an “obvious” truth. Until then the establishment with vested interests will continue to beatdown and suppress the new school philosophy, just like how the eye-test centric scouts continued to derisively dismiss analytics, until the impossible became inevitable. It’s not just with basketball, but in all walks of life from science to politics to economics.

[@Cyrusislikeawsome]

@@M0ebius if you ever fancy a bit of casual philosophy of science reading that is 😂

[@burner1303]

@@M0ebius It's also because the escape dribble to the side is a relatively recent invention. Nobody thought to do that 10-15 years ago.

[@coldkillah4340]

A good mid-range game will never go out of style, the more weapons you have the more the opposing team has to guess and the more poisons it has to pick. It makes it easier for a team to guard another team that only shoots 3s and layups as they never have to worry about the mid-range. Now if you add the mid-range into the equation, it's another puzzle to solve. Mid-range is not the most efficient shot and you probably don't want the mid-range to be 90% of your offense. But at the same time if a guy is shooting 50% from mid range it's not really a very good trade-off and the opposing team has to guard that. Mid range can only help augment the most efficient shots in the league which are 3s and layups if you introduce a healthy dose of it. Case and point look at Kawhi and Durant, two guys who are able to consistently dominate in the playoffs and don't really see a dropoff in performance from the regular season. That mid range shot is such a deadly weapon. An open shot from a good shooter is always going to be an efficient shot no matter from which part of the floor and good shooters should always take these. Young kids should take notes from Kawhi and Durant. A mid-range game on top of your other skills can make you unstoppable. Hell, alot of people think Curry is just all about jacking threes but if you watch him play he really has an incredible and accurate mid-range floater that he uses from time to time. Harden is an amazing player too but I don't think he'll ever win a championship with his iso-heavy and "Morey-Ball" style. Yes he takes predominantly the most efficient shots in the game but they are tough shots like his iso step back threes. He'll drive it into the heart of the defense hoping to get a foul. But in the playoffs fouls are called less, defenses tighten, these can quickly become the reason why you lose a game. A tightly contested 3 probably isn't more efficient than an open mid-range 2.

[@Jano342000]

Great post couldn’t have said it better than this!

[@narutouzumaki-rx4ww]

Proud Midranger here🏀☝️

[@JohnEpto-ng6ml]

Thanks, the analysis details were overwhelming me for strategy ideas. Would you say the best shot is about contestedness or pressuredness? Sometimes when there might be a bit space, but i feel pressure to take a 3, i wonder if midrange can be alot less pressure, and good variety for me to feel. For 3 I can feel pressure to make it, midrange i dont imagine nearly as much. Idk, is that because the 3 is hyped, or repeating a shot consecutively can feel way more hard?

[@JawaPunter]

Is it less efficient? Yes. Can it still be very valuable if undervalued and underdefended? Also yes. The thing that made moneyball successfully was building around an undervalued skill set (getting on base) rather than focusing on traditional metrics (hits, HRs and RBI). Creating a team built around undervalued assets is the way you build a multi-year dynasty. Both the Warriors and the Seahawks did this.

[@zacharyparis]

Can’t talk, busy bricking a 22 footer.

[@LordCaltricBlue]

Melo , is that you?

[@NewEraaG]

Calvin Bacu i thought it was Jason Tatum

[@SethKasso]

This channel is just incapable of making a bad video. It's apparently impossible for you to make a video that doesn't both entertain and educate me. You are an A-1 content creator!

[@blazingazong]

He goes great with steak👌

[@agregs30]

5:50 lol imagine if the nba had complete control of game footage and content creators could only use courtroom renditions.

[@josephkim2603]

I think he just deep fried the clip like Kawhi's Obama White House pic tweet lmao

[@kingofkings1959]

Moreyball is great for 82 game season. But to win a championship? You need to hit inefficient shots.

[@burner1303]

And this has become more and more true over time. The difference between regular season and post season these days is night and day

[@goldenboatcaptain]

You sound exactly like Barkley when he said jump shooting teams can never win a championship

[@deeway5964]

Here's a fucked up way to put it: 3s layups and dunks will get you in the playoffs. Post ups, drives and midrange brings the championship home!

[@cosycosycat]

@@deeway5964 it's not fucked up way. It's true. Off tempo is drastically decrease in playoffs games. Post up and mid-range usually is the best option for the clutch moment where defense is intensively eliminating obvious and easy option like 3s, layup.

[@deeway5964]

Su Te Zhao ooooh I say it like that because you have a group of folks trying to discourage people from those options it's people who probably never played the game.

[@SoggySlopster]

KD has been keeping it alive. Best midrange since Dirk

[@burner1303]

gonna be Dirk 2.0 after his Achilles injury I think

[@iranlassninja7062]

@@burner1303 or he could come back better, Dominique Wilkins style

[@burner1303]

@@iranlassninja7062 I hope so, he'll be great either way

[@iranianintelligenceagency9337]

Don't worry, the revival stage of the mid-range is already taking place. Jokic, JT, Jaylen Brown, Murray, Spider Mitchell, Bam bringing it back

[@hectorandem2944]

The thing with KD is that he can literally hit shots from anywhere, over almost anyone. You can't just clog the lane, because his 3pt shooting is decent. You can't just focus on the 3pt-line, because KD is deadly going to the rim. But if you can somehow prevent both of those, he'll still just pull up and knock one down anyway. Human cheat code.

[@StillTre_]

It's not dead for players who can shoot above average from there.

[@kile3734]

be good, be above average!

[@alexl9799]

True but you probably won't ever win anything if you're shooting more midrangers than 3s unless you're defense is awesome. Demar Derozan is a midrange god but he'll never be in the top tier of players because his game is pretty much limited to that.

[@bolt7047]

The problem is not many guys laern to shoot from there anymore

[@munkh-erdenebaasanbyamba4253]

It is just much less efficient than 3s or layups with the similar coverage

[@bolt7047]

@@munkh-erdenebaasanbyamba4253 true thats why if you want to shoot midranges effectively you need good shot iq and selction

[@kevlar9173]

the mid range game got me overseas 🤷🏽‍♂️ take the open shot if you have it

[@SaintFrenchy]

Facts

[@cuckheadmcgee8490]

Kevlar El good shit brother

[@briandavis2198]

Your midrange game is nice and cool like the other side of pillow. Just watched your highlights bro, not bad.

[@kevlar9173]

@@briandavis2198 much appreciated bro

[@GArmand715]

Exactly !!

[@Chandasouk]

Kawhi is the mid range god! Aldridge and DeRozan make a living off of it too. Edit: KD is the mid range god. 55% from there. I spoke too soon as a Kawhi fan

[@jugadhbhullar7369]

Chandasouk KD is the best mid range shooter ever alongside Kobe n MJ

[@Chandasouk]

@Randomdude holy shit. Just checked his attempts and percentage for last season. 55% and over 400 attempts. God indeed. I thought most of his buckets would be on the block, restricted area, or 3.

[@d-foxthegoat1922]

What abt Westbrook tho... :)

[@s.l5787]

@@Chandasouk 55% yes that's insane for midrange. But the midrange needs to be paired with gravity, to draw defenders away from paint or 3 point line. For reference, 55% from midrange 2 is still only about 37% from 3. Curry shoots 45% from 3 on high volume (minus heave attempts), which is equivalent to shooting 67.5% from midrange 2. The 3 point shot also creates more spacing for teammates, this is why Shaun Livingston was a liability on offense for the Warriors because despite being a decent midrange shooters, he killed the space because defenders know that's all he can shoot.

[@yassinekhedid345]

@@d-foxthegoat1922 He shot 32% last season from midrange lmao. Just because he takes a lot of midrange shots doesn't mean he's good at them. He's actually the worst pull up midrange shooter in the league amongst volume midrange shooters..

[@brianscalabrian8562]

How is your channel at 100k and Korzemba is at a million, you deserve more subs

[@rjpele]

Korzemba is more for mainstream fans whilst Thinking Basketball is more for the hardcore fans. "Meet Lonzo Ball: Steph Curry with a 40 inch vertical" VS "Is the mid range shot dead?"

[@ayanedjagbre7469]

@@rjpele Also Korzemba was on youtube for years whereas Thinking Basketball is still a young channel

[@ChuckyBeingChucky]

The channel is less than a year old. Give it time

[@noobestofdamall]

One is for sensationalizing idiots and baseless narratives. One is for people that actually think about how basketball works.

[@adamchow2509]

This channel and bball breakdown are by far the most knowledgeable basketball channels on this platform.

[@qwikscopez6619]

Great video as usual Ben, you'll be at 1 mil in no time

[@qwikscopez6619]

I did lol

[@jakobdeleon2050]

Randomdude you don’t even have to watch the video to know this guy will upload a perfect video

[@anthonyciaccia200]

Ben? Haha

[@jamesbenedict7516]

The under valued gravity of DeRozan's playmaking ability. Spurs were able to make smooth 3 point plays due to DeRozan sucking in the perimeter defense while defense at the paint are occupied from guarding Aldridge

[@aja3longhorn375]

I think a great follow up to this video would be discussing which positions on a team are most valuable to creating added value from the paint and 3 off of midrange metagame, and what an example team could be implementing that strategy to its full potential

[@BootCampChamp]

"The mid-range shot is not dead" says the finals MVP Kawhi "You are right, you lucky I got hurt" says prior MVP and midrange points leader KD

[@dubinbyfield9068]

BootCampChamp cringe

[@movementman9777]

The thing is, most players really can’t shoot the midrange shot. There are specific circumstances when it is the best shot, but clearly most players can’t recognize it or shoot it anyway.

[@0608jeff]

*cough* Andrew Wiggins *cough*

[@exillens]

You can't defend all three levels at a high level against a player with a 3pt shot and knows how to use picks well. If you commit to stopping the mid range then you give that offensive player room to step back and hit a 3 pointer or get to the rim. KD, Curry and D'Angelo Russell shot the mid range well for a reason. Give it up or give up an easy 3 pointer to a high percentage shooter

[@ixine-yz5uh]

During the regular season, why stop in the middle when 2 feet behind your is an extra point and a step in front is a much more efficient shot with the same points

[@roverjohnson6854]

If your in the NBA you can shoot an efficient mid-range.

[@Squarehead_305]

I love a nice mid range shot, like the Klaw and KDs shots in the mid range really show who can create their own shot and knock them down

[@exquisitemeat5845]

I always thought of midranges as something to fall back on, since 3p-line and the rim are somewhat easy to shut out. Nice to know there's some more facilitative effects as well

[@burner1303]

That's a good way to think of it, it's like a counter to a counter

[@iStylesOG]

Easily top 10 informative channels on KZbin. Top 2 for sports and it’s not 2. Keep doin good work my man

[@ThinkingBasketball]

🙏

[@ixine-yz5uh]

Mid range is important in the playoffs by the intense perimeter defense and clogged paint, making the offense step in to take off the pressure inside an outside l.

[@wookyoftheyear]

Great video, really interesting insight about the meta value of midrange shots. The notion of feedback loops (e.g. good defense leads to good offense) isn't necessarily new, but I don't think it's been widely applied to how becoming efficient at less-desirable shots generates more open more-desirable shots, and vice versa. These sorts of tied relationships are interesting to think about, especially as defenses are learning how better to adapt to 3-pt shooting teams.

[@rell0778]

Almost all of the top players have good mid-range games. LeBron, KD, Kawhi, DeRozan, McCollum, Dame, etc. Only role players are advised not to operate in the mid-range due to spacing reasons. But mid range never disappeared, spacing just became more of a priority.

[@bmebuzz8718]

Best bball vids on youtube, explains things so everyone can understand voice is smooth and soothing and everything about the video pulls you in. Keep up the great work

[@chunkin9799]

That's always been my issue with the influx of data in the NBA. Yes, it can tell you over an 82 game season that shooting a plethora of threes and getting to the line will put you in the top 3 teams. But when you are in a smaller sample size of a 7 game series with back and forth adjustments from the opposition, your data will be unreliable. Nuances are king in the playoffs.

[@therealjayjones665]

Perfectly stated.

[@RicardoAGuitar]

Well, the playoffs and regular season are two different things. The playoffs is a test: "OK, you can win sixty games over six months against teams with injuries, without adequate time to prepare; can you win against one opponent four times in seven games, where rest is the same for both teams? Where both coaching staffs can really sink their teeth into the opposition?" But winning more games than your opponent correlates pretty strongly with playoff success, so people that dismiss the regular season don't really know what they are talking about.

[@DaCheezerz]

Exactly why moreyball has had limited success in playoffs

[@jyz96]

My favorite basketball channel talking about my favorite basketball team? Yes please!

[@Zen-rl5pv]

As someone who shoots best in the mid range and was starting to think in a Moreyball way, I'm glad to know that I still have utility inside the paint in a way I previously didn't consider. I'll be sure to utilize the effect of forcing the defense to space in different ways to get my lads and myself some more buckets!

[@DarkKnightofHeaven]

I've generally been viewing the midrange shot as a good last option assuming you can make it. With good spacing, most defenses would rather give you the midrange than the 3 because its a less efficient shot. But if you can make it at a high rate they'll have to defend it regardless which can open up the 3pt shot for you. It's just not the go-to shot anymore. It's not about the points the shot itself makes but about the shots it will create in the future.

[@hakeemanderson4887]

This is brilliant analysis - you've earned a subscriber!

[@Peacekeepa317]

TJ Warren is an underrated master of the mid-range.

[@E-Izzle]

FINALLY i’ve been reading your book nonstop waiting for a video 😭😭

[@O4C209]

So what you're saying is Pop and Kerr knows more than D'antoni? Yeah, that checks out.

[@rohitpollock7247]

I FUCKING LOVE YOUR VIDEOS AND THE AMOUNT OF WORK YOU PUT INTO THEM. Easily one of my favorite youtubers . you deserve more attention bro

[@StoneGames21]

Hi Ben. Your videos are always amazing and educational beyond anything I’ve seen so far in sports media. Keep it up, because the one thing you do that is undeniable is raise the discussion to better and better detail. People who really care about sports and watch your videos probably now think more about footage, shot charts, team defense, and different stats than ever before when they reach a conclusion or even want to try and support quick, assumption-filled arguments they’ve had before! I know I have!

[@amjan]

This analysis should heavily include how the type of attempted shots impacts the amount of off/def rebounds for either team and fast break attacks opportunities, e.g. Making 6/20 3-pointers gives you 18 points, making 9/20 2-pointers gives you 18 points as well, but the number of rebounds is different (14 vs 11). Most rebounds go to the defending team, so in that respect it's better to produce fewer missed shots regardless of how much they pay. But then, 3-pointers produce longer rebounds giving more opportunity for grabbing an offensive rebound and another attempt at a shot. So this is were the complexity lies.

[@gregoryrowlerson8457]

Great points.

[@Bulls1999]

Exactly this is why assist and rebounds have been rising. It would be an interesting statistic to find out the percentage of recovery on missed 3s; and FG3% on second opportunities on offensive rebounds or vice-versa the teams that limit such opportunities.

[@4ok672]

Dude this is legitimately THE best basketball channel

[@djEjsrmfldna]

Amazing insights. Thank you

[@qwikscopez6619]

Hey Ben, I know you cover it in thinking basketball but I think a video on global offence that's less indepth than the book would be very controversial and would get so many clicks again great vid, and like u mentioned in the vid, a video on why Wilt shouldn't have shot all those shots would blow the world's mind

[@AirBear825]

As a Spurs fan I’m glad you shared this video. “Midrange is a lost art” is a commonly used phrase by my brothers and I.

[@AirBear825]

Another reason to love Greg Pop.

[@NewEarthSon]

Basically basketball presently is a inverted 90s game. out with post ups and midrange fadeaways, in with off the dribble 3s, pull up 3s, catch and shoot 3s, drive and layup, drive and dunk, drive and kick out 3,pick and rolls layups/dunks and post up pass to cutting man for layup/dunk or hokey assist for a 3 point shot. More team centric than the 90s and less stoppage/less slower offenses.

[@alexl9799]

If you're REALLY good at midrange it's fine. I remember reading an article on Giannis's absurd success on dunks and short range shots and how it totally flipped the narrative of 3s being more efficient than 2s. It's not the same as midrangers but the concept remains. Basically, the idea that shooting more 3s and making them at say 35% is more efficient than shooting more 2s and making them at say 50% is only true if those are the percentages but when you start shooting 70%+ (which is i think around what Giannis was doing) then you obviously take those 2s instead. If you can make midrangers at a rate that eliminates the gap in efficiency between 2s and 3s then i think that's where it's a good shot. Problem is not everyone is Giannis and basically no one except guys like KD are good enough to shoot midrangers that efficiently, at which point you'd be better of having them shoot 3s instead since they're such good shooters.

[@Isaac_Essa]

This reminds me a lot of how establishing a running game in football opens up the passing game, and vice versa. Midrange seems to open up the 3pt and cutting game a lot.

[@JustAJok3r]

I think the addition of a mid range shot turns a star into a superstar eg Kawhi KD McCollum

[@deeway5964]

The flaw with Moreyball is there's 5 ways to score #1 Layups/Dunks #2 Postup #3 Free Throws #4 Midrange #5 Deep-Range a.k.a. The 3 pointer In Moreyball you're asking the players to disregard the midrange so if you're struggling from 3 (with D'Antoni he's anti-post because he wants a faster pace ) you go from a 5 way offense to a 2 way offense and all you gotta do is take away what you do best and let you struggle.

[@craigkdillon]

You reasoning reminds of why, in poker, you have to lose a bluff hand from time time. Why?? Simple, so your opponents know you bluff. So, when you have a good hand, they think you are bluffing when you raise a few times and fill the pot. By making the opponent guard the WHOLE floor, you get more open threes and layup possibilities. It's obvious the way you explain it. Thanks.

[@andrewnunn681]

Congrats on 100k! Been here since 30k and you've been my favorite basketball channel ever since ❤

[@Kal-El207]

Greatest shot of all time. Has such a beautiful name too. Mid Range. Just sounds valuable and perfect.

[@jepoyburner]

This was the best video I've seen re: midrange

[@shorewall]

I always thought about it like Football. You want the deep pass (which is low percentage but high reward, like a 3pt), and the short pass (which is high percentage but low reward, more like a rim shot or FT). This causes defenses to focus on those, which opens up the middle pass. Then you punish them in the middle to keep them honest and allow you to make the other passes easier. You want to attack all three levels of the defense with passing routes, so that you can force the defense to choose wrong. In basketball, it is similar. You want the 3pt shot (which is lower percentage but high reward), and the layup/dunk/FTs (which are high percentage), which causes the defense to cheat off of the Mid range shot. So you punish them in the midrange to keep them honest. Which then opens up the 3pt and rim shots. You want to attack the defense at all levels to force them to choose wrong. Although, passing the ball might be better than a midrange shot. If you get run off the 3pt line, and you are blocked at the hoop, making the pass to find the open man might be better than thinking to make a midrange shot. And I prefer a team that passes than one that tries to make inefficient shots. But it is true that in the playoffs, you face better defenses and game planning for long series, so the midrange might be needed, and you don't suddenly get good at shooting midrange shots in the playoffs. I think midrange shots are important, but how and when they should be taken is something that I still don't fully understand.

[@Dr_Turtle2000]

I have no actual evidence but it seems to me that the midrange is much more effective during the playoffs

[@TheNickz]

Dr_Turtle2000 in playoffs players played more defense. Not gonna be easy to shoot 3s.

[@iranlassninja7062]

The game slows down, and theres generally more 1 on 1 coverage from the half court to the high post

[@slangsd]

The background music is so soothing. Thank you.

[@flaburgastedbunny]

This is the best basketball channel on KZbin all of your content is absolutely stellar. Have watched every video, love the podcast and if you guys haven't read it, the book he wrote Is fantastic and I highly recommend it. The fact that the first chapter addresses the fallacies of scoring efficiency between player and his team is eye opening for why players like wilt were so good because of the shots the decided to take despite having a high attempts per possession. Thank you so much for putting the time and effort into making such awesome content. This will be the first patreon I will actually support keep up the fantastic work and I expect to see you grow in popularity since you totally deserve it.

[@siriansight]

Incredible clip. Wonderful presentation. Great stuff Coach

[@tmosh55]

It would be interesting to see the rate of fouls drawn from mid range shots too. I feel like it might be higher than three point shots based on the fact that they usually come off the dribble whereas a lot of threes are just catch and shoot

[@jawkojawko7094]

This channel needs more subscribers

[@savagemcduck7088]

Good to see you back with some quality content. Keep it up, your the best at talking basketball I've ever seen.

[@carsondurrant5674]

Loved the graphics! Awesome video, love learning from you

[@mrmacross]

It's worth pointing out that the Warriors were among the most eager to take a midrange, and were pretty much the best at converting those. Their volume of midrange shots and accuracy making those shots, and their offensive efficiency, are not coincidences. This is part of the reason I can't stand point-per-shot analysis when it's the whole argument against midrange. It's like why do teams run the football when you get more yards per play by passing, or why you pitch out of the strike zone on an 0-2 count even though strikes are obviously better than balls? Being too static in your attacks just makes it easier to defend against.

[@sethmitchell7469]

Love you Channel bro, keep doing what you're doing ❤

[@CadChamberlain]

no shot is a bad shot if you make it an a good enough clip

[@jackabah4279]

This is why the raptors won a championship tbh...Kawhi kept making those midrange shots and kept defenses guessing and if they keyed on him too much it made life EASY for everyone else

[@Lllp098ik]

Nah it's because of the load management they gave Kawhi they were the healthiest playoff team

[@chaitu.petluri8113]

@@Lllp098ik lol healthiest?? kawhi got quad pain in WCF from 4th game he was limping literally, lowry had broken thumb dont say they are healthiest

[@ltzp2]

so basically when your opponent has mid range shots in their bag, you are held to a higher standard of defense and the floor is spaced more for the kinds of shots we traditionally consider efficient (layups, dunks, hooks, 3pt shots). So even looking at the numbers for the mid range shot it doesn't take into account all of the opportunities created when players either sag off and not take the threat seriously, or stay on their man more, putting them in poor position to prevent other methods of scoring.

[@bweber1226]

Best basketball info on KZbin, keep up the great work!

[@deandrepage1048]

Demar DeRozan's game is held back by his 3-pointers.

[@boxingfan5377]

Lol what are you talking about.. Demar only takes 1.5 Threes per Game so he uses the Midrange way more. Demar relies too much on the midrange that it doesn't help him in the Playoffs..

[@rg7535]

Exactly. It's always boggled my mind that some people, like Darryl Morey, can't see this. Having a strong midrange game opens up opportunities elsewhere in the court.

[@franciscopizarro5424]

RG D’Antoni really crippled one of the best parts of Cp3’s game

[@LearnToWin9638]

Midrange scoring is a lost art but a hidden treasure for the 1% of players who can truly see and tell the difference when playing especially during the playoffs in game winning moments 💯😎👍🏼

[@Kodreanu23]

Now, this is phenomenal video.

[@ricearony9723]

I have been waiting for this video since the last video came out, got your book in the meantime, keep up the great work Ben.

[@gardenballer6619]

Most Clutch GOATS were mid range masters. Nice video mate. Subscribed for sure !!!

[@jordancummings4639]

This was a fantastic breakdown. Nice work!

[@puffpupp7905]

I still love the mid range

[@lildroptop4178]

A midrange game opens up the court so 3s and layups are alot easier to score

[@sdrice2007]

At 36, I still beat many younger guys on the court because I actively take midrange shots while they "believe" they are the new Curry's and Lilliatd's of the game.

[@jeffreyxu6430]

Way better than Ryan Hollins talking about how Giannis didn't deserve the MVP and how LeBron is the GOAT.

[@sirEthereal]

Ryan Hollins is just bad

[@BoscoTungWaldo]

Actually, the creator of thinking basketball, Ben Taylor, has LeBron ahead of MJ on his GOAT rankings, and I agree with him.

[@ballerbaby5967]

Jeffrey Xu Get off knobs, pete sake I cant stand the casuals our generation. It's not an absurd take having the most individually accomplished player since MJ reited, ahead as your Goat. Not only that he's lifted teams further than MJ, faced much better teams, bigger stronger with the same level of efficiency & dominance. They're from 2 different eras so it's okay to have a difference in opinion, they never faced off so we'll never truly know who's the "GOAT". Career resume I'll take Jordan, but it's always you LeBronites quick to over blow this debate - including what he's done or hasn't done 365 days a year. Dude's been around what 18 seasons and people seem surprised like this opinion just got here. Everything today is so overblown.

[@siphillis]

Taylor has LeBron above Jordan and just barely behind Kareem, so Hollins and him are in agreement about LeBron.

[@vinnie4538]

@@BoscoTungWaldo It's not the fact that Ryan Hollins believes LeBron is the GOAT, it's his arguements and narratives that he uses that gets people rolling.

[@bryanmin4008]

please make a video about how harden and westbrook duo would work together in Houston system.

[@burner1303]

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[@wanakinp2752]

Revisiting this with possibly the greatest midrange team being created with KD going to phoenix.

[@maruwapofilms815]

howd it go?

[@bjnt92281]

As a Rockets fan, I subscribe to the Moreyball method but I wish they would tweak it a little to where the first option the best open shot regardless if it’s at the basketball, midrange or 3. Which would open up the 3s and lanes to the basket to draw fouls or easy layups and dunks.

[@Milordvega]

Thank you! IMO, the most underappreciated Golden State Warrior player is not one of their big stars, but mid-court specialist Shaun Livingston, precisely because he concentrates on 15 to 17 foot jumpers, which he converts with a very high accuracy. He comes in off the bench, makes 2 or 3 midcourt shots in a row, and then the metagame value comes in. Also, midcourt shooters tend to have less serious slumps than three-point shooters, and this could be real crucial in big playoff games. We remember Steph Curry's huge slump in game 6 of the 2016 NBA Finals, where they lost to the Cavs with Curry shooting like 6 of 20 including a lot of misses from three. I remember on the other hand how Livingston entered that game in the 2nd quarter and made some shots (he scored about 8 quick points from midrange) as the Warriors built their lead before halftime. He had a solid mark in the +/- column as compared to stars Curry and Thompson. I also have to confess that I'm old and miss the aesthetics of the previous game. I got to watch basketball from the mid to late 70's onwards, and really, it felt like a better game when you have star players taking midrange shots and not just threes. The threes actually were more exciting when they were not a regular shot but something like an ace card, to be revealed in special situations. Rick Barry, Larry Bird, Isiah Thomas, Jordan, Stockton, Reggie Miller, Kobe, and others had obvious range but still liked shooting from 15 to 20 feet more than from 24 feet out, even as they could make some threes in such a way that it had the greatest impact on the game, psychologically in addition to the box score. Some big men didn't have three point range but were very good from midrange (Bob McAdoo, Patrick Ewing, Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson and others) and that was also nice to see. The player today who is the closest in exemplifying these qualities is Kevin Durant. He is a big forward who is a great shooter, but he also takes a lot of midrange and doesn't just settle for three-pointers all the time. No one can say that he isn't a fun player to watch. Will the NBA go back to that kind of game from the 1980's to early 200's? I doubt it. It's all about three-point bombs now. But thanks to you for still defending the value of the midrange.

[@babyjesus9011]

Cj use that very well

[@XguncheckX]

This is such good quality content, I feel bad for not subscribing earlier.

[@ianrhodes8786]

i actually love your vids so much

[@henryxiao7083]

Chris paul just ended the mavs in the last 3 minutes with back to back mid range

[@andrewjohnson9297]

Man I love watching Shaun Livingston pull up and hit that mid-range shot. High percentage and also just seems like a weapon that was lost for awhile so its refreshing to see it these days.

[@YoungMitch36]

Love your videos man, can't wait for next season!

[@josephkoepke1251]

You need a podcast my man. I’d listen every day

[@StoneGames21]

He's got one with the same name, "Thinking Basketball." I've listened to a few on Spotify

[@nicholaswei7962]

Shooting from midrange is a bit like shooting middle in the penalty kick game theory example. The shooter has the ability to decide whether how often they will shoot left/middle/right. While shooting middle appears to be the worst option (as it is easily defended if predicted), shooting middle has value as it forces the goalie to stay middle a % of the time thereby strengthening your decision to shoot left/right. This is also the basis of poker GTO (game theory optimal) play which encourages mixed strategies in order to maximize strategic options and long-term profitability. Moreyball in its simplest form (only layups/dunks) is accurate in identifying the most profitable shots, the issue is that savvier defenses are able to focus on minimizing the effectiveness of 3pt shooting/layups if they can completely eliminate the midrange from consideration. This is why it's still important to be a 3-level scorer. The Rockets still utilized the midrange last year, Harden was forced to unleash his floater game much more in the playoffs. Next year will be interesting as they replace one of the best midrange shooters CP3 (45-50%) with Russ (30-40%). Teams are generally good about staying home on shooters, not saying they have the optimal strategy yet. The uptick a midrange shooter like DeRozan provides is interesting - he is a decent passer so help defenders do have to contribute in preventing him from travelling to more dangerous areas for shots and passes, the midrange is generally less defended but contesting his shot will reduce its expected value, and sometimes outright preventing a shot via block/steal is necessary (in late game scenarios down points).

[@iez]

I think a video about the fundamentals of the pick and roll and its statistical impact over the floor would be super interesting. In general, deep dives into basketball basics would be swag.

[@Kenan99_]

funny cuz morey's team lost by chucking threes while the warriors had good mid range scorers to keep a good distance

[@harryli5979]

Love the new little animations and graphics

[@DrakeBrunette]

It's never going to die... just think about it... There are always going to be guards who're good 3pt shooters. The defense might over commit and then its 2 quick steps around them and a smooth floater 10-15 feet from the basket. Or A Swingman who is an excellent slasher and he'll fake driving forward, stop, step back and fire his shot. Or There are tall, lanky forwards or stretch 4's who're developing their fadeaway like Dirk all the damn time... Or There are even Centers who're wide open at the free throw line and just too tall to be blocked with plenty of space for the shot. ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC

[@andrewtaylor2095]

Your content is insightful...frankly head and shoulders above the next...If I were to start a channel I'd copy you

[@siphillis]

Coach Becky Hammond alluded to the impact DeRozan had to the Spurs offense, correctly intuiting that he generated the most three-point assists on the team (more than doubling the next highest). While DD isn't a sniper from mid-range, the threat that he can pull up at any moment is cause enough for the defense to conform to his presence and relinquish pressure along the arc, and he exploits those openings with creative, gutsy passing . While I don't think his skillset combines all too well with Aldridge's, he's a perfect match for San Antonio's outstanding collection of distance shooters in Forbes, Mills, Gay, and (formerly) Bertans.

[@Tony_Pesta]

I'm just commenting to hopefully help boost you in the algorithm and give you the views you deserve

[@joeschmoe2011]

The big problem most people don't understand is that a player has to have a midrange game or the defense can play them accordingly. When there is no midrange game there are usually no open 3 pt shots either.

[@apollosroman8784]

Science to support the way I intuitively played video games. Drive for the dunk, kick for the 3, and if that's covered, hit the open 2 with a good shooter.

[@datrandompersononyoutube3061]

Chucking up contested long 3s all game is very inefficient, mid ranges are better

[@tnt070]

very underrated comment.