NO MORE Evil Superman…Especially From Tom King

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Thinking Critical

Thinking Critical

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@VarjoPira
@VarjoPira 3 ай бұрын
"Evil Superman" is the personification of the 'DARING today, are we?' -Spongebob meme.
@Dev003x
@Dev003x 3 ай бұрын
I'll take no more Tom King at all.
@bigtomboye
@bigtomboye 3 ай бұрын
Amen!
@brianmurphy250
@brianmurphy250 3 ай бұрын
Facts
@Autobotmatt428
@Autobotmatt428 3 ай бұрын
I agree
@DavidMartinez-ce3lp
@DavidMartinez-ce3lp 2 ай бұрын
Well, unfortunately for us, Gunn thought he should be a part of the writing staff for his DCU. Prepare for more of his BS in the movies.
@brandoncortez666
@brandoncortez666 3 ай бұрын
Thank god this never happened. Less Tom King the better.
@bigtomboye
@bigtomboye 3 ай бұрын
✋️ I second the emotion
@VicRattleHead28
@VicRattleHead28 3 ай бұрын
I can't stand his writing
@AL-ws5yi
@AL-ws5yi 3 ай бұрын
Exactly.
@waynetech10
@waynetech10 3 ай бұрын
Should've been fired, a long time ago.
@ciaranmurren
@ciaranmurren 3 ай бұрын
It's hilarious. Every single writers big idea is too do a dark Superman. How many have we seen over the last 20 years?
@GreenArrowHunter
@GreenArrowHunter 3 ай бұрын
I have evil Superman fatigue. Thank God these story never got made.
@egonnn244
@egonnn244 3 ай бұрын
Always good to hear that someone said "no" to Tom King's idea. Wish it happened more often.
@LigerFan
@LigerFan 3 ай бұрын
I hear DC turned down a proposal and I wonder “WTF was wrong with that proposal that DC Comics actually turned it DOWN?!” ESPECIALLY with Tom King attached. Granted, DC Comics SHOULD be vetoing proposals just on the name “Tom King” being involved, but since DC Comics okays so many bad proposals, I’m just wondering why they passed on this one.
@Neighborhood_spdrman
@Neighborhood_spdrman 3 ай бұрын
Red Son really was a phenomenal story. The line at the end that Lex had “why don’t you just put the whole world in a bottle” I think will stick with me forever. That said, I don’t feel the need or desire to sit back and continue to read “evil Superman” books. It’s not what I or most people look for in the character.
@tosweetdelight
@tosweetdelight 3 ай бұрын
I've got a great idea for a single Superman issue, just off the top of my head. Lois approaches Superman and tells him she wants to write an article about 'what it's like to be Superman', because people just want to understand him better. She hands him a notebook, a pen, and asks him to jot some things down. Superman agrees. He flies up into the clouds and starts to think about it. He pulls out the little notebook and starts to write something down, then he hears a distress call. He flies down and saves a family from a burning building. Afterward, in the clouds again, with his notebook. He jots down: What it's like to be me... A bank alarm goes off. He flies down and saves hostages in a bank from some bad guys. Things continue along this vein: he teams up with the Flash to bring down one of his rogues, he stops a giant, rampaging robot, he saves a cat from a tree, etc. and so forth. At the end of the day, Superman meets Lois. He hands back the notebook and tells her that he was too busy trying to help people in Metropolis. He apologizes. Lois asks him to tell her all about his day instead, which he does. And that's what she writes her article about - a day in the life of Superman. The end. (I know, TLDR) Sorry - I don't have anything cleverer for that ending, I just thought it would be neat if Superman was so busy helping people that he didn't have time to talk about himself haha.
@bigtomboye
@bigtomboye 3 ай бұрын
I like it, this has potential 👌 📈!
@christophertaylor9100
@christophertaylor9100 3 ай бұрын
That's kind of like what Busiek did with his Astro City book. His superman clone (Samaritan) basically spent every day counting up the few seconds he could fly, basically spending the entire day in transit to somewhere he had to help people or fight evil and al he really wants to do is fly.
@tosweetdelight
@tosweetdelight 3 ай бұрын
@@christophertaylor9100 Yeah, I've read that first Samaritan story. It's a very good 'Superman' story (I believe it was the first issue of Astro City). Maybe that's what inspired me, unconsciously. But that is how I see Superman - someone who's trying to do the right thing by the people in his city, somewhat removed from the drama of questions like, 'Who is Superman really?' or, 'What if Superman was eeevil?' And just to add here, I don't even see Red Son's Superman as an evil character. What that story explores best is the question of nature vs nurture (and, also, what Russian Batman would be like).
@ComicBookMuscle
@ComicBookMuscle 3 ай бұрын
If I could add a little emotional beat, “to be Superman is to use every moment, every one of his gifts, every ounce of strength to aid and defend others.”
@christophertaylor9100
@christophertaylor9100 3 ай бұрын
@@tosweetdelight I like your story idea, by the way, would make a great Superman issue. It wouldn't even need a single frame of him fighting.
@calesgy
@calesgy 3 ай бұрын
Sick and tired of trying to make the Boy Scout look like the Devil in Disguise. Leave him be. His kindness and love are a testament to what a great job Ma and Pa Kent instilled in him.
@christophertaylor9100
@christophertaylor9100 3 ай бұрын
I think Tom King has something on the publishers at DC, nothing else explains his continually getting high profile work
@lightningmanmatthew
@lightningmanmatthew 3 ай бұрын
His mother is an executive at WB. So long as she is up there, I doubt he’ll be ousted.
@dionlackey798
@dionlackey798 3 ай бұрын
Exactly
@officerbucktuddrussel394
@officerbucktuddrussel394 3 ай бұрын
I like the implications of Evil Superman that you get from 'Superman vs. The Elite' and the Superman smack down on Darkseid in the Justice league cartoon. A straight up evil superman is just so dull and boring.
@jaydenjohnson4221
@jaydenjohnson4221 3 ай бұрын
shocked you didn't mention bizzaro litterally the og evil superman
@drunkdealer583
@drunkdealer583 3 ай бұрын
Injustice Superman Superboy Prime Bizarro Ultraman Cyborg Superman The Eradicator General Zod Ursa Non Red Son Superman The Sentry Homelander Omni Man Thragg Conquest Gladiator Hyperion Plutonium Bright Burn Anissa Superwoman These evil variants are getting old.
@vortechx7176
@vortechx7176 3 ай бұрын
anytime someone says that evil superman is a fresh and bold take on the character I'm sending them this list
@511.Maximus
@511.Maximus 3 ай бұрын
Red Son Superman is not evil, he just didn't realize that his good intentions were leading to bad actions, when he did realize he stepped away. Marvel's Gladiator from the Shi'ar Imperial Guard is not evil either.
@calypso
@calypso 3 ай бұрын
Nothing wrong with Cyborg Superman and Superboy Prime
@vortechx7176
@vortechx7176 3 ай бұрын
@@511.Maximus i mean the Shi'ar do a good deal of subjugation across hundreds of worlds that Gladiator is willfully complicate in so yeah he is kinda evil
@vortechx7176
@vortechx7176 3 ай бұрын
@@calypso not at all they're awesome but still they fall under the trope
@calesgy
@calesgy 3 ай бұрын
Superman is the embodiment of hope . He is still the world wide Symbol of liberty kindness and as many may think he's more human than us. So much power yet he uses it to serve his fellow man. No race No bigotry No racism . He sees everyone as an equal . His value may seem old to some but they're the simple values we are taught at childhood. Kindness doing unto to others as you'd like them to do to you. He's Superman because we can't sometimes reach those goals. But with all his power he's more human than any of us. An alien who truly knows that we are not perfect we may fail but he will never leave our side. And I'm a Batman fan.
@bigtomboye
@bigtomboye 3 ай бұрын
@@calesgy Excellent post 📫 👏 🌟
@calesgy
@calesgy 3 ай бұрын
He's truly the best of what mankind can strive to be. So quit with the what it's. There are some good stories. But don't do it to spite the Character. The Symbol Hope and liberty
@matthewrascoe8690
@matthewrascoe8690 3 ай бұрын
What’s with every writers “dream Superman story” either being a depressing deconstruction or an evil superhuman story? Whatever happened to stories involving him trying to stop Titano or protecting Lois from an amorous Hercules or even, the tales of him trying to complete superhuman labors akin to the demigod. It appears that grim darkness is the only dead horse story that others want to do with Superman, from JMS to Bendis. We need more imaginative guys like Kesell, Ordway, Thomas, Simonson, or anyone else who could do a simple Superman adventure story to brighten the lights in our darkened comic universe.
@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω
@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω 3 ай бұрын
These stories don't really fit Our Dark present
@azuresaiyan9005
@azuresaiyan9005 3 ай бұрын
The only evil Superman we need is Ultraman.
@bigtomboye
@bigtomboye 3 ай бұрын
@@azuresaiyan9005 parts of Red Son really had incredibly strong appeal imho💪 🚀
@jbbrolic
@jbbrolic 3 ай бұрын
I like Hyperion and Homelander (comic NOT tv show) but there's been seemingly dozens since 2000.
@EvandroACruz
@EvandroACruz 3 ай бұрын
Indeed.The only version that makes sense.
@Pikashades
@Pikashades 3 ай бұрын
And Hank Henshaw aka Cyborg-Superman
@richardhunter132
@richardhunter132 3 ай бұрын
the first evil Superman I saw was in Superman III back in 1983 and I remember that scene making me feel really uncomfortable and just wanting it to end. Jim Starlin did a great evil Superman in War World
@bigtomboye
@bigtomboye 3 ай бұрын
Scary tho!😨🦸🏿‍♂️
@charlesharrison1907
@charlesharrison1907 3 ай бұрын
I can’t stand evil Superman storylines. I just want a new Superman villain who beats Superman up. I’m shocked DC said no because they didn’t say No to Megan Fritzmartin when she changed Tim.
@Pikashades
@Pikashades 3 ай бұрын
Hank Henshaw as Cyborg-Superman should be everyone's go-to character when they want to make an Evil Superman story.
@ffjj3964
@ffjj3964 3 ай бұрын
I’ve gotten to the point where I refuse any story that even hints at turning Superman evil. I don’t give a damn how the story good is, I’m sick to death of that stupid trope.
@officerbucktuddrussel394
@officerbucktuddrussel394 3 ай бұрын
4:15 They actually called Red Son superman evil? Based.
@bigtomboye
@bigtomboye 3 ай бұрын
Lol! Good point!!!!😂
@Pikashades
@Pikashades 3 ай бұрын
Red Son Superman was not evil, he was just a socialist by upbringing.
@Skywalker3248
@Skywalker3248 3 ай бұрын
So glad this didn't happen. Stop it with the evil Superman, broken Superman, emo Superman or some other variant. It doesn't work, it's boring, it's overdone. Here's a novel idea. Let's do Superman.
@511.Maximus
@511.Maximus 3 ай бұрын
I insist, "Superman: Up in the sky" was written by a ghost writer, there's no way Tom King wrote a story that actually shows respect and love for the big blue.
@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz
@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz 3 ай бұрын
ever heard of broken clocks? they're right 2 times a day.
@bigtomboye
@bigtomboye 3 ай бұрын
@@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz true 👍
@themaker2149
@themaker2149 3 ай бұрын
I actually like the pitch the problem is it's been done to death for over 10 years. I mean even if king could write a good twist on the idea of a evil superman I just don't think the interest would there
@EylonBelkin
@EylonBelkin 3 ай бұрын
Gotta say wes first time readin your page description and must say your a legend by far my favorite youtuber the most genuine one and one i actually agree on almost anything absolute legend keep it up ❤
@bigtomboye
@bigtomboye 3 ай бұрын
@@EylonBelkin quite right! ✅️ 👌
@Wes_From_TC
@Wes_From_TC 3 ай бұрын
I appreciate that
@EylonBelkin
@EylonBelkin 3 ай бұрын
@@Wes_From_TC much love ❤️
@terrencecastonguay1984
@terrencecastonguay1984 3 ай бұрын
If feels like that they've run out of ideas for Superman stories that's why they made him a bad guy in comics and games. The only thing that should do that to him is black kryptonite.
@bigtomboye
@bigtomboye 3 ай бұрын
@terrencecastonguay1984 hmmm you may be onto something there... 👀 🤔
@ensabahnur7657
@ensabahnur7657 3 ай бұрын
Black Kryptonite?
@FrancisGo.
@FrancisGo. 3 ай бұрын
Ironically, logical simplicity is the best foundation for the broadest set of opportunities for storytelling.
@FrancisGo.
@FrancisGo. 3 ай бұрын
If all you can do is subvert and crack foundations, you'll eventually run out of corporate properties to decimate. Some people are actually trying to create synthetic IPs, just to subvert them. Like a snake eating its own tail.
@mr.dccomics9018
@mr.dccomics9018 3 ай бұрын
They have run out of ideals for Superman. You got bad writers on Superman that don't know how to write.
@couldnotbereachedforfurthe2647
@couldnotbereachedforfurthe2647 3 ай бұрын
I had my heart broken as a kid when Superman became a vampire in Super Friends (and they did it twice). NEVER wanted to see an evil Superman since.
@patrickmcguire7896
@patrickmcguire7896 3 ай бұрын
Agreed I’m sick of evil Superman!
@EvandroACruz
@EvandroACruz 3 ай бұрын
I'm so tired of evil Superman versions and I'm so tired of Tom King. Superman is incorruptible,no matter how tragedies you can throw in your life he never will break and stop to believe in your moral creeds. DC should make a editorial mandate to stop jerkasses writers to tarnish Superman image. I miss Pre-Crisis Superman so much.
@EylonBelkin
@EylonBelkin 3 ай бұрын
Superboy prime is a legend
@kamchikamchi2737
@kamchikamchi2737 3 ай бұрын
Soouu….. wait…… dc is ACTUALLY learning???? *looking at dc that still in flames and lava with the ttg laughing like maniacs* ………… no……… they’re still haven’t learned their lessons. And the damage is already done and not many see superman as a force of good. As well seeing dc as entities or gods as most just comes out as the writers and company ways to makeshift this feverish dream and feverish dream is the best way to describe dc as there no actual continuity and its a blank can as to write anything and all the dc characters are just toys to use to play the role without no personalities nor characteristics power as power scaling doesn’t exist as 98% are multiverse level powerhouse.
@yamatokira4335
@yamatokira4335 3 ай бұрын
Agree Wes. I am with you on this one. Look at Suicide Squad kills Justice League video games, that fail in the market. That's a great proof that people hate evil Superman.
@john-zi9su
@john-zi9su 3 ай бұрын
No more terrible writers with mother issues.
@derekgreen7319
@derekgreen7319 3 ай бұрын
It's crazy how long someone can ride off a couple of good books.
@jonathanl-j4i
@jonathanl-j4i 3 ай бұрын
I too am sick of all the edgy what if Superman was evil nonsense. I feel like a lot of writers these days just don’t like or understand the characters they are writing. They are always trying to subvert and ruin them, and it’s almost worse when it’s by accident because they simply don’t understand the characters history and core identity. As a spider-man fan I feel the entire current Amazing run has been written by a writer / editor creative team who simply do not like or understand the character or his supporting characters, especially important characters like MJ. You can see the real difference when it comes to something like Ultimate Spider-Man, where the writer actually seems to care about the character they are writing and the importance of their relationships, meaning it instantly becomes a lot more enjoyable, even if there may be some issues with pacing and other minor flaws. Same is happening a lot with X-Men, Batman and others, characters being written out of character to satisfy the zealous ideals of whatever “genius” is now writing and feels a current character is behind the times, and needs to be updated to reflect the writer’s own ideals and beliefs rather than staying true to the character’s history. We have knee jerk changes in persona and ideals to suit the latest vision, thereby rejecting all previous iterations, no matter how beloved, as being “wrong”. I used to be very tolerant of different takes on characters, but after a while it really does start to feel like a personal attack on all my comic book preferences as being “outdated and wrong”.
@Tooznoze
@Tooznoze 3 ай бұрын
I liked Eradicator as an ally to Superman rather than Zod (f*cking New52).
@michaeldinowitz3163
@michaeldinowitz3163 3 ай бұрын
You can name 40 evil Superman versions? Name that tune...I mean name those Superman (especially those outside marvel/dc)
@plaidchameleon25
@plaidchameleon25 3 ай бұрын
Does anyone acknowledge the Zor-El Cyborg Superman from the New 52 anymore?
@brandonscott4808
@brandonscott4808 3 ай бұрын
The whole evil Superman troupe has got to stop because the people who write him either don't understand the character or hate him and want to see him suffer. This is why I blame the DCEU and Injustice for starting the trend in the first place. Like come on, what's the point of making Superman evil when we have Bizarro, General Zod, or Ultraman to fill the role as an opposite antithesis to Superman. I also believe that Superboy Prime should never have been a villain back in Infinite Crisis when Geoff Johns could have used other villains to fill the void.
@christopherlacher3544
@christopherlacher3544 3 ай бұрын
Hats off bro!! Big S fan here and I swear I hate how some of these writers destroy the character. Bendis and his run had me disgusted
@waynetech10
@waynetech10 3 ай бұрын
DC's big ideas. Evil Superman, or other heroes doing morally questionable things, and villains being portrayed as victims, or misunderstood, of getting redemption arcs, because mass murderers like Harley Quinn and Lex Luthor surely just needed a hug, or a lesbian fling. DC is staffed by horrible people, and it shows in their work. They constantly want to "deconstruct" heroes, have them fail, change their entire gimmick and world view, or outright replace them, and put villains at center stage. We're looking at you, Waller.
@fitnessabcvideo
@fitnessabcvideo 3 ай бұрын
Green lantern, John's run is amongst the best long format storytelling rivaling the best in history, period.
@thebostonpowers42
@thebostonpowers42 Ай бұрын
Turning Superman evil is like turning Santa Claus evil.
@GothamKnight84661
@GothamKnight84661 3 ай бұрын
No more Tom King stories, he needs to be let go from comics.
@warrenthearchangel
@warrenthearchangel 3 ай бұрын
Damn no!😡😤🙄 It has to stop. I hate to admit, but a certain professor was right...😮‍💨
@SuperCam-me3mj
@SuperCam-me3mj 3 ай бұрын
Certain professor? You mean Jordan Peterson?, not that guy on KZbin who hates every live action Superman that is not Christopher Reeve and Superman’78.
@InfamyOrDeath-__-
@InfamyOrDeath-__- 3 ай бұрын
I love Superboy Prime as a villain, I remember before I read Crisis I was reading some Wiki’s and “Killed by Superboy Prime” kept popping up haha. He killed so many characters during that Crisis.
@PettyCrow-n9c
@PettyCrow-n9c 3 ай бұрын
I don't mind an "evil Superman", I just hate the "evil Superman is a dictator of some kind" trope. Give me a Superman who is basically Lobo, but better and I'm good.
@incubustimelord5947
@incubustimelord5947 3 ай бұрын
Anyone who likes Superman being evil and anyone who doesn't like Superman being good has completely lost the point of reading super-hero comic books, and has completely lost the point of super-hero characters. If they don't like comics and if they don't like super-heroes, well, then that's just on them. They shouldn't even bother reading super-hero comic books.
3 ай бұрын
'Superman - but evil!' It's such a worn-out trope.
@lotsalube
@lotsalube 3 ай бұрын
Let's just keep cyborg superman & ultraman in the criminal society as "evil" superman. I agree, he can loose it, but not earth destroying.
@michaelmacleod6517
@michaelmacleod6517 3 ай бұрын
If any character in DC could be thatr evil? It's Batman for sure. The Tower of Babel arc proved it
@yamatokira4335
@yamatokira4335 3 ай бұрын
We already see 'a lot more evil' Batman which is Nemesis, from Mark Millar I think it's more than enough.
@Pikashades
@Pikashades 3 ай бұрын
Batman Who Laughs had that potential and Scott Snyder ruined it by turning him into the Darkest Knight.
@retroman355
@retroman355 3 ай бұрын
Hyperion isnt blanket evil. Just like superman ot depends on the version. Hes more of a marvel type of hero
@raijinmeister
@raijinmeister 3 ай бұрын
No mention of the Eradicator? I'm very, very, disappointed.
@danielmacmaster5822
@danielmacmaster5822 3 ай бұрын
I like the Cyborg Superman personally.
@Pikashades
@Pikashades 3 ай бұрын
We could have been saved from most of those overdone evil versions of Superman if Cyborg Superman was used the way how Steel and Superboy have been used after Reign of Supermen happened.
@JosephPeluso-ce4tm
@JosephPeluso-ce4tm 3 ай бұрын
Dark Superman, Evil Superman, Powerless Superman. ENOUGH! .How about Superman stories that showcase iconic attributes of the greatest character in all of fiction. If these new "writers" need inspiration look to the works of Shooter, Bates, Maggin, O"Neil, Wein, Byrne and Jurgens. Learn from the masters.
@BoSmith7045
@BoSmith7045 3 ай бұрын
I wish Tom King would learn to code. I'm so tired of modern writers thinking true good and heroism is corny and everyone has to be morally gray. When I want that kind of story I'll read the old Shadow pulps. Superman was around for decades before everyone suddenly said "aw gee. He is too hard to write a story for". If you are that unimaginative then maybe you shouldn't write comics.
@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω
@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω 3 ай бұрын
It's why most of them prefer Batman
@daishikaze3986
@daishikaze3986 3 ай бұрын
Geoff Johns gets too much of a pass for his involvement in the irreparable damage done to the DC universe. I'm not saying he is bad writer in the sense that he had nothiong but bad ideas, I'm saying he's bad because when he has a good or intriguing idea, he doesn't try and do it in a way that fits with the world as it is, he alters the world to make his story work, and that often has a rippling effect that screws up everything around it one way or another. It shows a lack of respect for those that came before and he's better off doing his own thing rather that working inside the framework of the DC universe.
@sometimesfriendly9839
@sometimesfriendly9839 3 ай бұрын
Homelander rocks, at least through the first couple of seasons of The Boys. I haven't seen seasons 3 and 4. He's no Johnny Come Lately to the evil Superman scene since his first appearance in the comic was 2006.
@LibertyWatcher
@LibertyWatcher 3 ай бұрын
Superman TAS did a fantastic job with their evil Superman episodes,
@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω
@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω 3 ай бұрын
Yes they did Don't forget Justice League
@TevyaSmolka
@TevyaSmolka 3 ай бұрын
We seriously need to stop doing evil superman because frankly I have reached my breaking point with this garbage a long time ago, and personally for me my favorite superman is when he's married to lois lane and they have there son Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as his little 10 year old self and they are great parents in my opinion.
@DarthDread-oh2ne
@DarthDread-oh2ne 3 ай бұрын
I agree with you. I have a question, what do you think about this as a idea; in my vision of the dc universe, there is a meta human Cold War going on between my dc creative character and his arch enemy; Alvin.
@bigtomboye
@bigtomboye 3 ай бұрын
@TevyaSmolka Much of Red Son carried huge attraction 🧲 And as a philosophical contrast i enjoyed Injustice as an Elsewhorld 🤔 However Evil Superman is definitely now well-played right out ⚰️ 💐
@TevyaSmolka
@TevyaSmolka 3 ай бұрын
@@DarthDread-oh2ne actually that’s not a bad idea and I would be all for that.
@TevyaSmolka
@TevyaSmolka 3 ай бұрын
@@bigtomboye I agree with that
@EvandroACruz
@EvandroACruz 3 ай бұрын
I prefer Pre-Crisis Superman version.
@noctissky794
@noctissky794 3 ай бұрын
Evil Superman is so boring.
@bigtomboye
@bigtomboye 3 ай бұрын
@@noctissky794 soooooooo boring 😴
@patrickjennings431
@patrickjennings431 3 ай бұрын
Everything yall hate is boring to you
@SebastianEnamorado-ql4rh
@SebastianEnamorado-ql4rh 3 ай бұрын
Like corenswet Superman
@ensabahnur7657
@ensabahnur7657 3 ай бұрын
@@patrickjennings431 EXACTLY!😂💯📠
@ensabahnur7657
@ensabahnur7657 3 ай бұрын
Not according to the sales!😂🎤💣🔥💯📠
@hyped-up-charlie
@hyped-up-charlie 3 ай бұрын
I agree tired of evil superman and he is most important character
@ineptgamer3814
@ineptgamer3814 16 күн бұрын
For me personally, Superman is the incorruptible light in the universe.
@waxywaxenheimer4169
@waxywaxenheimer4169 3 ай бұрын
I’ve despised “grim and gritty” since Peter David killed Jean DeWolff. Frank Miller has done more damage to modern comics than anyone alive.
@dionlackey798
@dionlackey798 3 ай бұрын
Im actually very very surprised DC said no to him. They usually let him write and ruin anything and any characters he want. What made them get some hair on thier chest and say no to him? He's DCs baby boy after all who they can't say no to
@jetboyblue4478
@jetboyblue4478 3 ай бұрын
Cyberborg superman was the best evil superman in my opinion it also inspired my own superhero characters.
@tomcruisenukedmyaccount5388
@tomcruisenukedmyaccount5388 2 ай бұрын
Johns' Superman was bad. The old movies helped ruin him. Real Superman was for Western patriarchy, in a positive way, not exactly freedom, hope etc. It was good to drop "American Way" though.
@Slitheringpeanut
@Slitheringpeanut 3 ай бұрын
I was done with Evil 'Superman' since 1985.
@EylonBelkin
@EylonBelkin 3 ай бұрын
Every pick you picked for variant of supes who is actually good its everything ive oicked before watching the video
@thundererswrath2185
@thundererswrath2185 3 ай бұрын
Well ALL DC characters suck in any form and or concept. Let alone that whole “Hope” bs came from “MOS” making that up. Before that it was what it was, a LOGO.
@Aczie042
@Aczie042 3 ай бұрын
I've been done with evil Superman since the first Injustice game.
@treymykel
@treymykel 3 ай бұрын
Now can we get Tom King off of Wonder Woman please I beg I am I am begging get his ass off of Wonder Woman I need a good writer on Wonder Woman I don't care if it's a man no more females writers for this character I need a man that actually loves and care about the character of Wonder Woman and not trying to subvert expectations or any of that LGBT nonsense that the female writers been doing cuz he got to go he has ran through the DC universe and has literally destroyed so many characters and I'm tired of it
@bigtomboye
@bigtomboye 3 ай бұрын
@@treymykel we'll always have Lynda Carter 📺 👩‍💼💥 👸
@PrivateCitizen84
@PrivateCitizen84 3 ай бұрын
When I hear that Superman tune from the 1980 film it's uplifting. Superman is uplifting so I find evil Infamous Superman cringe. Homelander and Ultraman are fine, because not being Clark Kent. Even Red Son his choice at the end is a Superman choice.
@JamesDavis-jd1oq
@JamesDavis-jd1oq 3 ай бұрын
I am tired of the Evil Superman trope as well. But I still like Ultraman, because I love the Crime Syndicate as a team.
@docfortune
@docfortune 3 ай бұрын
Evil Superman stories suck balls unless it's about actual Superman kicking their asses. Also, technically Hank Henshaw is more of an evil Reed Richards, or as I like to call him, "Reed Richards."
@mitchellalexander9162
@mitchellalexander9162 3 ай бұрын
This is a Reminder that Superman will Become Public Domain in only *9 YEARS and 3 Months* from now aka *111 MONTHS* Why do I bring this up? Oh...no Reason.
@dustinvanthuyl8318
@dustinvanthuyl8318 3 ай бұрын
Most kids nowadays have never even seen a good Superman.
@bathyalgames
@bathyalgames 3 ай бұрын
There is a "good" evil Superman and that is Ultraman and then there is the Superman from the Justice Lords. And there is also the Superboy Prime that is even stronger than Earth 1 Superman. This was enough for DC and they should have stick to them. Red Sun Superman is not really evil, he is just misguided, like the WW2 German Superman.
@wtflolmau
@wtflolmau 3 ай бұрын
damn man I'm Hanshaw'ed out. had enough of him pretty much for ever
@billybarnett2846
@billybarnett2846 3 ай бұрын
Red Sun Superman wasn't evil. You need to reread again.
@Wes_From_TC
@Wes_From_TC 3 ай бұрын
Just because he was smiling doesn't mean what he did wasn't evil. I suggest you read it again.
@billybarnett2846
@billybarnett2846 3 ай бұрын
@@Wes_From_TC Are you confusing that crappy animated movie with the book. The people around him were doing evil and he corrected it when he found out.
@frankcastaldi2531
@frankcastaldi2531 3 ай бұрын
I am glad it didn’t happen and also Tom king didn’t happen!
@fitnessabcvideo
@fitnessabcvideo 3 ай бұрын
Wes and mood lighting 😂
@russellbarba8177
@russellbarba8177 3 ай бұрын
Hank henshaw is the maker before he was here since he a version of reed Richards....since modern writers just want to make legacy characters to their level and political affinities....
@patrickmcguire7896
@patrickmcguire7896 3 ай бұрын
Tom king should stay away from Superman all together
@bigtomboye
@bigtomboye 3 ай бұрын
Please!!!!
@krisj827
@krisj827 3 ай бұрын
Evil Superman = Writers that don't know how to write Superman
@lucernodelci66
@lucernodelci66 3 ай бұрын
Hefvyn Lotko fmc (wake up)
@davimusprime5292
@davimusprime5292 3 ай бұрын
Serious question, who is asking for Tom King?
@JoSe2beazt
@JoSe2beazt 3 ай бұрын
DC probably watched your videos Wes and started to listen to reason.
@AL-ws5yi
@AL-ws5yi 3 ай бұрын
I hate evil Superman.
@SparrowAaron
@SparrowAaron 3 ай бұрын
So Tom King was going to rip off ANOTHER movie, and stitch in a Superman character? One. Trick. Pony.
@feuryie
@feuryie 3 ай бұрын
yeah, like you i am very tired and done with the whole 'evil superman'. it's boring at this point. where we get ones like omniman who redeem themselves most are just varients like homelander who are mostly irrideemable and it gets boring very quickly
@brandonshuley3417
@brandonshuley3417 3 ай бұрын
How about just no more Tom King in general I like that idea better
@Awakeandalive1
@Awakeandalive1 3 ай бұрын
Hey, "Red Son" wasn't exactly an EVIL Superman story. He was a good man, raised to believe totalitarian lies by an ideological nation that pampered him to keep him under their thumb.
@DarthDread-oh2ne
@DarthDread-oh2ne 3 ай бұрын
I’m tired of the evil Superman trope and Jon Kent.
@mitchellalexander9162
@mitchellalexander9162 3 ай бұрын
This Story is probably Right next to Mags Vissagio's Superboy goes Trans on 'Dumb Shelved ideas we are never going to do'
@paulc1553
@paulc1553 3 ай бұрын
Less Tom King, the better!
@SuperCanayaZ
@SuperCanayaZ 2 ай бұрын
I blame Injustice for the Superman Evil modern era. Then Zack Snyder's fans, who thinks Superman is a violent emo.
@Lauren007E
@Lauren007E Ай бұрын
Bendis already ruined superman (especially Jon), I'm surprised they didnt let Tom King in to dance on his grave. Too bad he got wonder woman
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