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Composer Chat: Can You Make a Living as a Composer?

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Guy Michelmore

Guy Michelmore

Күн бұрын

It's a question many musicians want to know. Can they make a living writing music? Whether that's scoring films, writing music for video games, composing for TV the question is much the same. Guy Michelmore has been doing just that for over thirty years so here is his take on this question. IN the vidoe Guy analyses the state of the market, where the opportunities are and where they are not.
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@thepursuitofmusic13
@thepursuitofmusic13 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this Guy. As someone who is working towards doing this, this is very encouraging
@ThinkSpaceEducation
@ThinkSpaceEducation Жыл бұрын
You're welcome
@celestialceilagor3802
@celestialceilagor3802 Жыл бұрын
hahaha
@malcolmjacobson6226
@malcolmjacobson6226 Жыл бұрын
"Can you imagine an industry, where 90% of the time you lose money." ... Yes, the Music industry. Though I'd say it's more like 95% of the time.
@dinaariaudio4944
@dinaariaudio4944 8 ай бұрын
yeap, the big whales cover the labels loss on the hordes of one hit wonders
@Kendayyy
@Kendayyy 3 ай бұрын
Preach 😂
@user-km3hv8qo9p
@user-km3hv8qo9p 2 ай бұрын
Good point.
@jasonp9508
@jasonp9508 Жыл бұрын
I’m a mechanical engineer. I found this very interesting and genuine. In a parallel universe, I chose music as a career instead of a hobby. I’ll always wonder what if. Good luck to those of you who follow your dreams instead of the safe choice. For me, I’ve always said, “I’m a good enough musician to know I’m not a good enough musician.” I’ve also said half-jokingly, “I’d be a professional musician if there were such a thing.” (Yes that has two meanings, and Guy speaks to both in this video.) Thanks Guy you’re a joy and inspiration to watch!
@mechanicalbreaks8319
@mechanicalbreaks8319 Жыл бұрын
This comment I can relate to. I’m a machinist who is super passionate about what I do but I have an equal passion for the world of composing music for picture but haven’t made a career. Everything he says easily applies to my career as a machinist. What brings me to this channel is my ever growing desire to possibly make that switch to be a composer. It’s hard to switch from one passion to another but the fundamental strides are the exact same. Be consistent every single day learning and making your craft.
@laconsuela69
@laconsuela69 11 ай бұрын
Hey man, tons of professionals don't go to school for music. Most people recommend getting a stable job and pursuing music on the side. Getting a tutor is probably more useful and cheap than going to a university You can often email professors in composition or reach out to other professionals about tutoring, as they may be able to tutor you or refer you You made a smart decision doing mechanical engineering. But you can still learn music and become a professional
@amarug
@amarug 4 ай бұрын
Exactly the same here, although I always wanted to be a mechanical engineer and I feel it's my deep calling, music is something that has always walked with me, but I always assumed I don't have the talent and never even tried. Now at the age of 40 I have started learning composition as hobby. I am at the point where I neither need to make money of it, nor do I care if I suck at it. It's just for the joy of it.
@zmortis111
@zmortis111 Жыл бұрын
Not a composer myself, but the advice you just gave fits so well with so many different professional endeavors. 1) Know how to do the job. 2) Know how to follow instructions. 3) Bring something more to the job that is desirable than everyone else.
@SteveSensenig
@SteveSensenig Жыл бұрын
Yes, please keep content like this coming! I enjoy almost anything you put out there, but please do more of this!
@ThinkSpaceEducation
@ThinkSpaceEducation Жыл бұрын
Will do
@TRoducts
@TRoducts Жыл бұрын
These composer chats are really great! Please keep doing this!
@darkjoedickie
@darkjoedickie Жыл бұрын
Very insightful! As an aspiring game composer I would ask that you cover more on topics like this. I'd also like it if you would make a video that more clearly defines what level the industry expects composers to be at. Basically I'm looking for a roadmap of skills I need to have an adequate handle of. I should probably just email the school like you said. lol
@GuyVignati
@GuyVignati Жыл бұрын
Interesting analysis indeed. I think that the statistics you showed address the main problem: everyone today has the tools (it has never been cheaper in the history to make music..), but very few have the knowledge and the craft. Besides I think also many focus too much on the technical side (quality of production, mix etc): that is obviously important, but more important than that it’s the music itself. I mean people should be humble enough to STUDY the music, especially the composers of the past; that’s the only way to achieve good writing and then concentrate on finding your personal voice.
@ThinkSpaceEducation
@ThinkSpaceEducation Жыл бұрын
You must never stop trying to write better music and studying is a key part of that. Also listening widely and creatively not just to soundtracks from the 1990's
@chrisaaron7755
@chrisaaron7755 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely love this. It’s great to get this kind of insight into the industry. Can we start a series where a composer can send you a track and you make a video about it? The pros and cons, and where improvements could be made.
@V-A
@V-A Жыл бұрын
that would be amazing - maybe even a composing competition like Ryan Leach does!
@BraddersMusic
@BraddersMusic Жыл бұрын
Don’t think these guys have the bandwidth to handle this size of project, ha-pay to be wrong!
@malachia8590
@malachia8590 8 ай бұрын
That would be really really interesting 👍
@TheJamHammond
@TheJamHammond Жыл бұрын
Thank you Guy, sometimes when you hear from experts on this topic, in any field, they can come across as quite cynical and jaded and put you off. This video manages to softly deliver the blow of the real world difficulty involved without completely sapping the drive to still aspire to it.
@ThinkSpaceEducation
@ThinkSpaceEducation Жыл бұрын
I have no place for cynacism and yes I completely agree. Be realistic about the difficulties but cynacism is just career death
@fortissimoX
@fortissimoX Жыл бұрын
I've been in a situation where I was doing interviews and choosing people among many CV's. Although that was in a different kind of industry, situation was quite same, it's amazing how many people apply for a job without actually taking 5 minutes to carefully read what you expect from them. Well, now I'm trying to change my career and go into composing. That experience gives me some amount of comfort 🙂 Btw, thanks for the video, yes, I believe these kind of videos are useful, keep them coming!
@ThinkSpaceEducation
@ThinkSpaceEducation Жыл бұрын
If you're serious about this- talk to us about the MA. Its what it was designed to do -not in everyone;'s reach in terms of time and money but it does what it says on the tin
@DavidGaliel
@DavidGaliel Жыл бұрын
These short, sharp, professionally-targeted chats are a welcome complement to your regular content. I hope you continue to offer them.
@BraddersMusic
@BraddersMusic Жыл бұрын
Agreed, it helps to keep our feet on the ground and potentially going in the right direction. Thanks, Guy great, as always.😊
@jaykarimi7123
@jaykarimi7123 Жыл бұрын
Yes! More like this please! Thank you for your honesty & candor. This information is VERY much appreciated.
@ThinkSpaceEducation
@ThinkSpaceEducation Жыл бұрын
will do
@MrBond-xs3cr
@MrBond-xs3cr Жыл бұрын
This is great! I'm currently in college for composition and I'm hoping to do video game composition as a passion. I'm very happy to hear that it's growing so much! I also really appreciate how you line up what really makes a composer qualified when it comes to finding a job. I'm still new to this all, but one of the biggest problems I've had is trying to find out what exactly I need to work on/aim to do. This helped a lot!
@theaudiomechanic
@theaudiomechanic Жыл бұрын
As a professional musician of 25 years now focusing all my energy on composition, this short video has been an encouraging encounter and would like to say thank you for your sage advice. But mostly for it’s kind and open manner i thank you Xander
@getkilted
@getkilted Жыл бұрын
SOOO GOOD to hear advice on this subject that is constructive and uses actual examples - thank you so much!
@ThinkSpaceEducation
@ThinkSpaceEducation Жыл бұрын
youre welcome
@52Cues
@52Cues Жыл бұрын
Absolutely love this! Thank you so much for you continual sobering optimism, Guy!
@jvcouk
@jvcouk Жыл бұрын
Nice work, Guy. There are so many folk on KZbin etc, setting beginner's expectations high for what success looks like, whereas the reality is hard. Thanks for explaining this. There's a parallel with writing (fiction) where widespread computer availability lowered the skill threshold for writing. It enabled more folk to enjoy creative writing, with many of them having dreams of becoming a successful author and generating a steady comfortable income. In truth [I think] about 10% of writers finish a substantial work, 10% of those approach an agent, a small fraction of those reach publication, and a small fraction of those enjoy success with their book. I'm a hobbyist in sound design/composition, and in writing, but I don't have a realistic hope of going all-in to bid for work in such a competitive environment. I really enjoy it, and don't want to put anyone off with what I've said here; I've really restated the problem you set out in this video, and I'm all for equipping folk with realistic expectations and the tools to pursue their dreams.
@steph1918
@steph1918 Жыл бұрын
'Only 1% of you lot is going to make it' is definitely not the most encouraging message, but brutally honest and true.
@ThinkSpaceEducation
@ThinkSpaceEducation Жыл бұрын
A lot more of the rest could make it if they knew where they were going wrong - they just have no idea why they are so far off the mark. Learning to hit the brief and develop a voice are things that can be acquired
@benetchells8986
@benetchells8986 7 ай бұрын
I like those odds...
@cloudstrife6138
@cloudstrife6138 3 күн бұрын
It is defenitely less than that. Everyone is trying and someone has to fail.
@muzzap21
@muzzap21 Жыл бұрын
This is exactly what I needed. Someone told me I should sell my music for a game. I feel I have a unique sound. Moody music for games is essential!
@roogrey
@roogrey Жыл бұрын
Fabulous, Guy! I'm pleased that you highlighted the need for one's own 'Voice' in order to stand out. Of your listed criteria, I believe it's the hardest thing to find because it's the one thing that can't be learned. It has to be uncovered as part of one's own journey. I feel as though I have FINALLY found mine, or simply the confidence just to be myself, so perhaps that's why this resonated. I have found that people are responding to my work in a way they didn't before, and are asking for more, so I think it's the 'secret sauce' we're all after! Thanks for a superb channel; I love it!
@davidedmondsmusic
@davidedmondsmusic Жыл бұрын
Thank you Guy. Really helpful video. Would be great to hear an example of what “professional” production sounds like compared with amateur production. Not everyone will recognise this and will send what they think is excellent! Really value your videos. Thanks so much.
@christopherwall444
@christopherwall444 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Guy! Composer with aspirations so doing my homework research and this video very clear and straightforward.
@DanielGastaminza
@DanielGastaminza Жыл бұрын
Es una maravilla escuchar que alguien con tanta experiencia comparta esta información tan valiosa. Es una delicia ver cada uno de los videos. ¡¡¡Muchas gracias por tu generosidad!!! Vamos por más...
@SiGhast
@SiGhast Жыл бұрын
I went to bed last night feeling hopeless and woke up to this and regained some spark. You could not have timed this any better.
@ThinkSpaceEducation
@ThinkSpaceEducation Жыл бұрын
Glad to help
@nicolasshouer7865
@nicolasshouer7865 Жыл бұрын
This is a VERY important video, very well made with honesty and clarity. Thank you
@austinholsonback7023
@austinholsonback7023 Жыл бұрын
Would love to see a breakdown of what to charge to score a video game, show, movie, etc.! Appreciate you Guy!
@samanthabramley9162
@samanthabramley9162 Ай бұрын
This is extremely encouraging, more of this please Guy.
@futureofmoney3527
@futureofmoney3527 Жыл бұрын
Of course anyone can do anything. It’s about being realistic and how low the odds are.
@paulembleton1733
@paulembleton1733 Жыл бұрын
I’m creating music and sounds for a game. The developer is very aware of my shortcomings as a composer but won’t consider anyone else. It helps enormously that the developer is me.
@themighty222
@themighty222 Жыл бұрын
One thing along these lines that I think would be very entertaining would be for you to accept 2-3 pieces with a brief, and then critique (and fix?) them in a video. I'd watch and apply to that!
@BarsAndScore
@BarsAndScore Күн бұрын
Great stuff. Really appreciate the practical, no nonsense info.
@matt_phistopheles
@matt_phistopheles Жыл бұрын
I think one important question you have to ask yourself is if you should make money as a composer in the first place. Any art form is really fun as long as you are doing it for your own pleasure. But as soon as the hobby is turned into a job this joy may be over. At this point you have to please the expectation of your client instead of your own and you have to be creative even if you are not feeling it at this moment. It's also a hard job and there will be most likely no time and creativity left for personal side projects. If you start this career then you'll have to go all in. On the other hand it's a very creative and rewarding job. Live your dream but be prepared to have a plan B. I'm personally glad that I didn't go that route even when I had the opportunity back in the day. Decades later I have a different day job that I love and I still love doing music as a hobby (apart of some favor work from time to time). In hindsight I'm pretty sure that a career in the music industry would have ruined music for me but I have some friends who still love it after all these years.
@rogernewton7831
@rogernewton7831 Жыл бұрын
Making a living means, paying your rent/mortgage, paying gas electricity and so on. Paying for family. Everything. Doing that in the music world for 99% of people is borderline impossible. That's a statistical fact. On the plus side, doing it as hobby is a worthwhile pursuit.
@frankiehands
@frankiehands Жыл бұрын
Composing has been my full time gig for 4 years now. Not only just making a living, but doing quite well. Anything is obtainable, but I really think a certain level of obsession is required. Not only to get better at your craft, but also the amount of output necessary to make it in this field requires quite an effort (I've delivered over 600 songs/cues in a 4 year span) it's not easy and it isn't supposed to be, but to anyone reading this who is serious about it...I BELIEVE IN YOU
@BraddersMusic
@BraddersMusic Жыл бұрын
Congratulations Frankie, that’s a lot of confidence, motivation and talent! I’d like to hear more about your crusade!
@frankiehands
@frankiehands Жыл бұрын
@@BraddersMusic I moved to LA in December 2018. The year before I moved here I was working 80 hrs a week between main job and side jobs, saving all the money I could. I'd eat disgusting lunches to save money like 2 McChickens at McDonalds (it cost $2.19 after tax) while I was at work I'd either listen to audio books or compositions to make me better in some way. Was waking up at 4am every single day and would write a song idea before I left my house for work at 6:30am. Sold everything I owned on ebay that wasn't a musical instrument, loaded my car up and drove to LA with $15,000. I got lucky, met the right people by saying yes to every opportunity/offer to hangout and got a gig writing for one of the biggest shows of National Geographic TV that has won multiple Emmy's and been nominated almost 20 times. Let me know if you want to know anything else, as that is kind of my career in a nutshell, but anything I can offer that maybe can help someone else on their journey I am all for!!! Cheers!
@soothingsoulcharlie
@soothingsoulcharlie Жыл бұрын
I’m a lifelong composer and multi instrumentalist. Thanks for encouragement. I’ve just started my channel😊
@projectasteria
@projectasteria Жыл бұрын
This was incredibly helpful! I've always been worried about not being able to survive off composition alone and have even been thinking of switching out of it, but this is helping me change my mind. I would definitely love to see more of this
@ThinkSpaceEducation
@ThinkSpaceEducation Жыл бұрын
Its hard dont get me wrong but completely doable
@wyshwood
@wyshwood Жыл бұрын
I hear the positivity; that if you keep striving to develop your 'sound' you will get there. Another message I've retained is to persevere. 90 percent give up after a while, those who stick with it start to be noticed. I finished my first major gig last year, which was super rewarding, but took a decade to complete. I can depart knowing I left something behind, many people appreciated. I've even been nominated for an award, which simply blows my mind when you look at the standards of some of the people in the games industry. I may not have a career, but I achieved my own goal only through constant unending output over many decades.
@ThinkSpaceEducation
@ThinkSpaceEducation Жыл бұрын
Productivity is really important - congratultions on your nomination!
@wyshwood
@wyshwood Жыл бұрын
@@ThinkSpaceEducation One thinks it will never happen, and the it pops up out of nowhere. Thank you for inspiring and educating us all. We really appreciate it.
@alanredversangel
@alanredversangel Жыл бұрын
Good to know personality/orginiality is still right up there when people are sifting through these entries. The world needs new and unique art.
@adude1335
@adude1335 Жыл бұрын
As someone who is just starting on the journey towards being a composer it is definitely very helpful (and generous) that you give us some industry insights. Thank you!!!
@mosstet
@mosstet Жыл бұрын
21 thousand people have watched this in its first three days.. that should tell people how huge the pool of composers is.
@RobintheW
@RobintheW Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your encouragement! Working as a composer is what I'd call my biggest dream for the last 6 years, but I find myself not putting in the work to refine my skills. Mainly because I complerely have this mindset of writing music "just for fun" or "I'd never in my life be lucky enough to be picked with all that competition." So I never actually finished writing a single song because I put it on hold when I'm out of Ideas. Maybe hearing you list those statistics helps me realise that it's not that impossible, and that I should work on my skills to someday be at this level to become a professional
@ThinkSpaceEducation
@ThinkSpaceEducation Жыл бұрын
Go for it
@nazarhadidian4928
@nazarhadidian4928 3 ай бұрын
Do what you love to do and work on improving your skills (musical, technical, communication) and most importantly cooperate, listen and be a hard and fast worker and never give up!
@minionslayer
@minionslayer Жыл бұрын
I thought this was an excellent and concise breakdown of the industry, made all the more useful because of the fact it was presented by someone who is clearly in the know. I haven’t done any of your courses, but I’d love to see more content like this roll out. Thank you!
@danielel9191
@danielel9191 Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for this honest and brutal reality check!
@Jon-ud7ob
@Jon-ud7ob 11 күн бұрын
This is exactly right. My dream job since I was 8, Music degree but spent half my life pursuing the wrong career. Like Aaron Copeland and Sousa describe, when I learned formal theory, it merely added vocabulary to things I already knew - I’d internalised the language and structure of music and needed words to describe it. This is the motivation I needed to get off my bum!
@gabbe5130
@gabbe5130 Жыл бұрын
This is SO relevant and useful
@Shields936
@Shields936 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video Guy. I would definitely be interested in hearing you talk in more detail about composing for video games and tv.
@giuseppe_calandrini
@giuseppe_calandrini Жыл бұрын
You're completely right in this. But it's still not easy for some of us who already are working for major tv series, documentaries and also feature films. The difficoult part for us is to build a constant flow of new works to make a stable living. The ones who already hired us, keep doing it. To get new ones is still hard, because the established directors or productions already have their trusted composers since years, and also because it is often needed to personally know and meet people involved in new productions to get known, but it's quite hard to do it. This is another aspect to keep in consideration, for the ones of us already working at high levels, but not yet with a constant and consistent flow of works to make a proper and stable living.
@Blueyedson77
@Blueyedson77 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this one!! I am just starting my degree in music composition for film, tv, and games with Berklee and this is incredibly encouraging. Love your channel and the work you do! Thanks and be well 🙌🏻
@musicproduction1330
@musicproduction1330 Жыл бұрын
I always enjoy your positive attitude, Guy; but I also really appreciate it when you get down to business and distill the truth of your experience as you’ve done here. Well done!
@ThinkSpaceEducation
@ThinkSpaceEducation Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@uryic000
@uryic000 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Guy. This was very helpful and confirming. I am currently enrolled at Berklee School of music as a music composition for film, TV, and video games major. One of my classmates that does this for a living said almost exactly what you said. I’m a long time subscriber to your channel and it has been very useful, and helpful.
@ThinkSpaceEducation
@ThinkSpaceEducation Жыл бұрын
Good luck - keep focussed
@heartbreaktimemachine
@heartbreaktimemachine Жыл бұрын
Really appreciate the statistics and insights! So helpful! It's a wonderful art but a horrible business.
@BrunoBizarro
@BrunoBizarro Жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@thomfraney6893
@thomfraney6893 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Guy. As always super insightful, helpful, hopeful and pragmatic. It’s why you stand out from the rest. You’re just great.
@ZachHeyde
@ZachHeyde Жыл бұрын
This is a GREAT video Guy, appreciate the candid truths you're dropping on this one 🙌
@64guatemala
@64guatemala Жыл бұрын
Thanks, Guy. This was a great video. I, for one, would love more of these types of videos 😊.
@ShivSagar010
@ShivSagar010 Жыл бұрын
Thank You Very Much Sir! 🙂🙏💛
@ReverbRanch
@ReverbRanch Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. Would love more on how to be a working media composer.
@Gaby-Lopez
@Gaby-Lopez Жыл бұрын
Excellent, this video, this explanation is very helpfully, thanks And if this advice serves anyone, I prepared as a sample three fake "trailers" with music and video and published them to have them as a business card.
@michaelgonda8924
@michaelgonda8924 Жыл бұрын
Just amazing Guy. Yes, I would love it if you did more of these videos. I have been a musician and composer for 30+ years or so but I also work in the corporate world. I say this to people all the time in the corporate space, you will never be the smartest or most well-educated person in the room..... but let's assume you are, if you don't follow instructions or you are hard to work with you are STILL not going to get the gig (whatever "gig" it is you are shooting for). People work with people so think about being a better person who is easier to work with before being the best at any given skill. Knowing everything isn't as important as being a professional who knows enough to do their job competently. Thanks again Guy
@lofomuses
@lofomuses Жыл бұрын
Guy - one of the most prevalent things I find among the droves of people online that 'aspire' (or already 'claim'!) to be film/TV/media composers is --- ok, they are masters of their DAW, they know how to input/play/draw in their notes, they know how to incorporate scads of different sounds/patches... BUT... their 'soundtrack' is very often just a 4-bar VIm-IV-I-V loop, timbre changes every 8 bars or so, but with no melody, no harmonic movement, no use of tempo/meter changes --- no 'storytelling'. You put it succinctly (and kindly) in this video --- they just haven't yet found their 'voice'. Hopefully, they will...!
@lukesimas
@lukesimas Жыл бұрын
Subscribed. Guy thank you SO MUCH for this video and an opportunity for your team to review our compositions. I’ve desperately needed this. I need to be told if I’m that delusional person. And if I’m not, what can I do to find work. Hearing a critique by those that are in the business is so imperative and critical for guys like me. It means more than words can EVER express that you provide this opportunity at no cost. I am excited for the critique, regardless of what it is. You validate me, Guy. Just providing this opportunity. Thank you so so much. I feel honored by you. This made my day!
@ThinkSpaceEducation
@ThinkSpaceEducation Жыл бұрын
:)
@randallharp7010
@randallharp7010 Жыл бұрын
Extremely valuable info, Guy. I started college as a music major but listened to more "practical" voices and went to work in IT for decades, and later going into debt trying to launch a video marketing agency. I've scored some indie and student films over the years, always daydreaming of making a living as a composer. Although I'm now in my late 50s, it seems like there actually may be an opportunity to make a living in music. Now, I just need to sell my car to afford going back to school. 🙂
@richardmillingtonmusic
@richardmillingtonmusic Жыл бұрын
This was really useful - great to hear these insights from the 'hiring' side. More like this please! Thanks Guy!
@liviekumori
@liviekumori Жыл бұрын
I've been studying composition for the past couple months, I hope to get good enough to stand out someday.
@HenriTikkalaMusic
@HenriTikkalaMusic Жыл бұрын
Great video! I'd like to add that in addition to the musical and technical skills you need (at least) basic level social skills and a professional attitude. Composing is a job like any other and you need to be able interact with other people clearly, openly and respectfully, be able to take feedback and respect the client's vision.
@VincentLaplante
@VincentLaplante Жыл бұрын
I, on the other hand, fall in the category where I never believe my work is never good enough, even though I do get some clients for it!😅
@JeffreyBoggie
@JeffreyBoggie Жыл бұрын
Yes! More real talk. People like me who are just starting out need to hear the truth about this industry.
@ThinkSpaceEducation
@ThinkSpaceEducation Жыл бұрын
Great will do
@Mhex100
@Mhex100 Жыл бұрын
Just finished my studies in composition, so this is perfect! Would love to see more of this 😊
@StockMusicLicensing
@StockMusicLicensing Жыл бұрын
Great video Guy! I took your course about music for media back in 2009. It was all sent by mail with DVD's. This is before online courses and everything that Thinkspace is today. All the best from Greece!
@DavidMaclin351
@DavidMaclin351 Жыл бұрын
This was a great subject. I'm not interested in doing music for money, I just do it because I love it as much as gamedev, but lots of people are needing these kinds of hard truths ❤
@AnthonyBadenSaggers
@AnthonyBadenSaggers Жыл бұрын
Thank you sir. I've been focusing on film, but perhaps I should reconsider that based on your advice.
@sirhobbes099
@sirhobbes099 Жыл бұрын
Nice! Thanks for this great video!
@GershyJazzy
@GershyJazzy Жыл бұрын
Many thanks for your video. Really important topic. I would note that answering the question “are there music composing jobs out there?” Is not the same as answering “can you make a living as a composer?”. It’s perfectly possible to find indie projects where they don’t pay enough to cover your expenses. Answering the question about making a living as a composer requires to include the variables income and expenses in the equation. That’s my take on this. What do you think?
@johannborchersfriends
@johannborchersfriends Жыл бұрын
You are right. In the video he basically states only 1% will make it.
@theflamingredone
@theflamingredone Жыл бұрын
This is super interesting and useful Guy, thank you for your insight
@ThinkSpaceEducation
@ThinkSpaceEducation Жыл бұрын
youre welcome
@rbingraham
@rbingraham Жыл бұрын
Always great to see folks being up front and honest about what it takes to make a go in the industry
@LukaT
@LukaT Жыл бұрын
A fantastic video! Very informative. Perhaps you could talk about paths to becoming a film composer in one the future videos. What advice would you give to students and graduates of classical composition courses at music universities looking to get a job? Are there still productions interested in having old-fashioned composers who write a score instead of using DAWs and then orchestrating? I personally prefer the old ways of Goldsmith, Morricone or Williams but unfortunately the industry seems to be going in the exact opposite way…
@mikthomas
@mikthomas 7 ай бұрын
I love how your personality comes through on your delivery - I could listen to you all day, and I love the humour - A very dry subject sometimes!
@JeanLoupRSmith
@JeanLoupRSmith Жыл бұрын
In the handful of years since I seriously started trying to be a composer if there's one thing I learnt it's that you can learn the technical and compositional techniques easily enough. There have been plenty of books written on both subjects and there are more than enough courses out there teaching you both. It's not always easy but it's doable. However finding one's own voice, to me at least, is a life-long quest but it is what makes us stand out from the crowd. You can hear it so clearly in the works of Danny Elfman or Hans Zimmer. Though I will say that there are other composers out there who have worked on big budget productions who don't really stand out as much, I won't give any names. Still if you can find it and make it work then I would say it becomes more a case of finding the right people to work with to make a name for yourself out there.
@ThinkSpaceEducation
@ThinkSpaceEducation Жыл бұрын
That is true - in addition to a voice is being able to with laser accuracy nail down how your music answers the brief. That takes years of work
@addd21323
@addd21323 Жыл бұрын
I have a question I was hoping you could answer. Can you take a look at AI music and give your thoughts on whether it might replace commercial music applications? For example, film score, videogames, etc. Obviously it's not there yet musically and some people will always want an emotional connection to music (likely that isn't created by an AI), but do you think for budget reasons companies may use AI to generate music similar to how samples are used for a lot of budget films nowadays instead of real live orchestra? Would love your perspective.
@addd21323
@addd21323 Жыл бұрын
I look at the art industry and see a lot of low-budget jobs being taken by generative art AI like midjourney and I worry that if music AI ever gets to a comparable level of quality we might see the same thing with music.
@polter5195
@polter5195 Жыл бұрын
Biggest barrier for me is confidence. I've had people listen to my work on various platforms and get in touch to ask if I'm open to commissions, but I don't feel comfortable charging them so always decline the offer. I'd love to write music for a living instead of throwing boxes into the back of a truck, but sadly I just don't see it happening. Still, a very insightful video as always. Thank you!
@ThinkSpaceEducation
@ThinkSpaceEducation Жыл бұрын
Thats true
@V-A
@V-A Жыл бұрын
These composer chat vids are fantastic. Perhaps you could pair them with some posts / polls too? Buy yourself a metaphoric coffee from me, Guy. Thanks, you're an absolute inspiration.
@ThinkSpaceEducation
@ThinkSpaceEducation Жыл бұрын
That is very kind thank you!
@MikeGlover
@MikeGlover Жыл бұрын
Thank you Guy, it's very encouraging. I been watching more and more of your videos. I did a BA in Music back in 2005. I really enjoyed the film composition course that i did for it and I had planned to do a Master in composition focusing on film / tv but sadly didn't get accepted. Was a hard time and I moved into the world of IT to pay the bills and fell out of love with Music. 16 years later my IT job depresses me and I've wondered if I could get back into composition again but is it too late and could I make the switch? I'm taking small steps with watching your orchestral videos. Look forward to more video chat's like these.
@toshaymusicgroup5589
@toshaymusicgroup5589 11 ай бұрын
Great info!!!! More! More! Feed me!
@CharlieFisherMusic
@CharlieFisherMusic Жыл бұрын
lol this is great, i'm just casually clicking on everyones profile and listening to their music. cool discoveries so far!
@RicoDerks
@RicoDerks Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for these inspiring and encouraging video's!
@feehhongnakd
@feehhongnakd Жыл бұрын
This was exactly what I needed to watch! Keeping me focused and hungry 🙏
@bassaniobee
@bassaniobee Жыл бұрын
thank you for sharing Mr Guy, I feel like calling you Sir Guy. I watched the Cats carton show with my kids before seing your youtube video on how you scored it. It was so informative please continue sharing. I like it, I like it a lot. I am in South Africa and looking to get into this space.
@skatealex1
@skatealex1 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I'm in my 30's so I don't know if I can afford to try to get into a living off composing but it does sound fun. Currently studying cybersecurity and trying to just make electronic music in some of my free time.
@vigh4696
@vigh4696 Жыл бұрын
Just wanted to drop a comment to say you're doing amazing! and I'm glad you're having fun
@skatealex1
@skatealex1 Жыл бұрын
@@vigh4696 Thank you!
@ThinkSpaceEducation
@ThinkSpaceEducation Жыл бұрын
The majority of TV music is electronic not orchestral so go for it
@DanJamesJames
@DanJamesJames Жыл бұрын
A very interesting video. Thank you very much. More on this topic would definitely be very much appreciated.
@ThinkSpaceEducation
@ThinkSpaceEducation Жыл бұрын
OK
@Redhollow
@Redhollow Жыл бұрын
It would be great to have a checklist of what "industry level technical competency" means. Are we talking music theory? Or software technical skills?
@christopher.stewart
@christopher.stewart Жыл бұрын
this didn't go where i assume it would, and i'm really glad it didn't... quite encouraging overall, and the insights are appreciated... glad i took the chance to click... thanks & best wishes ! 🙏🌠
@andrelucassen9229
@andrelucassen9229 Жыл бұрын
Very much appreciated and looking forward to more such information. (Also will be interesting to see how the Arturia keys that serve as elbow rests are going to hold up :).
@maryshaw4399
@maryshaw4399 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks Guy! Have you done or could you do a video about how to find your own voice as a composer?
@KeyOfGeebz
@KeyOfGeebz Жыл бұрын
This was an ABSOLUTELY wonderful video!!
@djcata7474
@djcata7474 Жыл бұрын
Yes, very useful stuff. Would love to see you go through demo reels, seeing your thougts on what is, basically good enough. Second, the majority of composers cannnot find a job to save their lives. That needs addressing too. Third, most composers cannot afford master courses, and perhaps there is a business opportunity there, a program where one could work and generate revenue to pay off the classes.
@yormanqwertyuiop
@yormanqwertyuiop 8 ай бұрын
Hi Guy! At some point of my life I worked for a job agency, and it's countless the number of people who didn't pass the recruitment process because of not following the instructions, so I know exactly what you mean! Also, as a piano player, the work you do seems really fascinating to me! I hope I can learn and get to the point of doing it professionally. Thanks for sharing this with us!
@shahinghasemkhani8651
@shahinghasemkhani8651 9 ай бұрын
Being unique and good in technical and musical🎉 good advice
@WillShattuck
@WillShattuck Жыл бұрын
Yes Yea Yes! As someone who is exploring this as a side gig this was very insightful. Thanks Guy.
@sytnikakim
@sytnikakim Жыл бұрын
Thank you, it brings really good peace of understanding the vector of further development
@juanclaudio_cs
@juanclaudio_cs Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much Guy ! I need to study mire so I can be better ! Wish me luck for my future !
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