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ThioJoe

ThioJoe

Күн бұрын

And what is the different with Quick Format?
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0:00 - Intro & Basics
0:38 - Formatting in Windows
2:03 - Quick Format
3:00 - Non-Quick Format
4:07 - Demonstration
4:52 - HDD Architecture
8:33 - Low Level Formatting
11:03 - SSD Architecture
14:09 - File Storage on SSD
15:23 - Conclusion
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@ThioJoe
@ThioJoe 3 жыл бұрын
I didn’t get a new camera, actually just got some new lights, improved the lighting arrangement, and messed around with some camera settings. And of course cranked up the sharpen effect in premiere pro ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@Hopiskyc
@Hopiskyc 3 жыл бұрын
What lighting can do
@MandolinSashaank
@MandolinSashaank 3 жыл бұрын
Nice
@Everytwo_
@Everytwo_ 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah i saw that...
@TheOnlyK1ng
@TheOnlyK1ng 3 жыл бұрын
Where is the member emoji???????
@alpanamhashilkar960
@alpanamhashilkar960 3 жыл бұрын
this is epik
@richardeadon6396
@richardeadon6396 3 жыл бұрын
"Have you ever wondered what _actually_ is going on" YES! ABOUT EVERYTHING! KEEP MAKING THESE VIDEOS!
@DarkyBoy
@DarkyBoy 3 жыл бұрын
I agree
@sandeepbhuiya4624
@sandeepbhuiya4624 3 жыл бұрын
@Omri Hermon manufacturers are still making a computer
@Adrien_broner
@Adrien_broner 3 жыл бұрын
How come every time you format you lose more and more total disc space
@DarkyBoy
@DarkyBoy 3 жыл бұрын
@@Adrien_broner what do you mean?
@tylerdurden788
@tylerdurden788 3 жыл бұрын
One of my friends is always amused at my random knowledge.
@DavesGarage
@DavesGarage 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Joe! You might remember me as the author of Task Manager, but I'm also the author of the Format dialog! I have a video about it's history on my channel (Dave's Garage). Would have been a good topic to do a collab on! Cheers and the new Apature lights (I can only assume), looks good!
@tomasruiz06
@tomasruiz06 3 жыл бұрын
I come from that video!
@shreejal
@shreejal 3 жыл бұрын
Why aren't you verified
@Anonymous-cm8jy
@Anonymous-cm8jy 3 жыл бұрын
God bless you sir.
@RealTagComputing
@RealTagComputing 3 жыл бұрын
LOL
@PeterMaddison2483
@PeterMaddison2483 3 жыл бұрын
@@Anonymous-cm8jy He IS GOD, he can bless himself :-)
@PhilLesh69
@PhilLesh69 3 жыл бұрын
Sector size is a function of read/write head size. Block size can affect read/write speeds. In other words, it's faster to read ten 10 byte blocks than it is to read one hundred 1 byte blocks.
@mateiberatco500
@mateiberatco500 3 жыл бұрын
Head size has nothing to do with sector size. Heads fly over 1 bit at a time (it's size is related to bit density only). The higher-level electronics (microcontroller) divide those bits into logical sector sizes. For each "sector", it also has to store headers (which are factory written, mentioned in video) and ECC data (error checking and correction); which all take space. Raising sector size from 512 to 4K means eliminating ECC and headers of 3 sectors, while slightly increasing ECC data for the 4th. But creates compatibility problems (mainly slowing down) with partitioning of old SW (up to, including, XP). PS: those 3.5" 1.44MB (1440MB) floppies were also advertised as 2MB unformatted. Wikipedia mentions formatted size for Amiga as 1.760KB.
@michaelhawthorne8696
@michaelhawthorne8696 3 жыл бұрын
That would be the reason why the file transfer dialogue box drops in Bytes per second when you are transfering multiple folders rather that videos, becuase the folders may have a lot of small files that don't fill the allocted units size but videos would.
@Anonymous-cm8jy
@Anonymous-cm8jy 3 жыл бұрын
What's the ideal sector size?
@luhgarlicbread
@luhgarlicbread 2 жыл бұрын
@@Anonymous-cm8jy Depends on the use case, hopefully someone can provide some more insight on this as I’m not really sure
@TylerTMG
@TylerTMG 9 ай бұрын
​@Anonymous-cm8jy if your doing mostly bug files like games use big if its mostly small stuff use small
@chhailbihariposwal
@chhailbihariposwal 3 жыл бұрын
Please never stop making these informative videos.
@Hope_Upstairs
@Hope_Upstairs 3 жыл бұрын
thiozombie
@gregdowle8031
@gregdowle8031 3 жыл бұрын
If he could talk a fraction slower it would be fantastic. Not a criticism, just a suggestion.
@chhailbihariposwal
@chhailbihariposwal 3 жыл бұрын
@@gregdowle8031 you are somewhat right.
@reycko102
@reycko102 3 жыл бұрын
Got the notification while formating a 30Gigs drive.
@marysridhar_nvc4975
@marysridhar_nvc4975 3 жыл бұрын
LoL
@vladimirputin7211
@vladimirputin7211 3 жыл бұрын
XD
@daringcuteseal
@daringcuteseal 3 жыл бұрын
Lol 5
@shreejal
@shreejal 3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@reycko102
@reycko102 3 жыл бұрын
@@daringcuteseal Lol 6
@Raverspike
@Raverspike 3 жыл бұрын
Drink every time he says „I’m not gonna get into that“
@LiveeviL6969
@LiveeviL6969 3 жыл бұрын
And double for "actually" and "basically".
@SparkieUwU
@SparkieUwU 3 жыл бұрын
@@LiveeviL6969 I don't have a deathwish, thanks
@DigitalHandle
@DigitalHandle 3 жыл бұрын
I have drank 20 beers so far
@earlt911
@earlt911 3 жыл бұрын
A trim command (known as TRIM in the ATA command set, and UNMAP in the SCSI command set) allows an operating system to inform a solid-state drive (SSD) which blocks of data are no longer considered in use and can be wiped internally. Trim was introduced soon after SSDs were introduced.
@jayrabbitgamingproductions7335
@jayrabbitgamingproductions7335 3 жыл бұрын
Perfect timing! I’m actually in the middle of formatting a 2tb drive to clean it of things I regret seeing
@JordanViknar
@JordanViknar 3 жыл бұрын
@@Hope_Upstairs ?
@electronichaircut8801
@electronichaircut8801 3 жыл бұрын
Porn
@pythondrink
@pythondrink 3 жыл бұрын
@@electronichaircut8801 😂😂😂
@gregdowle8031
@gregdowle8031 3 жыл бұрын
Has it completed yet?
@user-sj9ke2yr7x
@user-sj9ke2yr7x 4 ай бұрын
Bruh
@rmclean3
@rmclean3 Жыл бұрын
Not sure about everyone else but I really appreciate the extra details you provide in your videos. Thanks for not "dumbing it down" too much!
@bbbl67
@bbbl67 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, I've been using IBM PC's since the 80's, at that time the original hard drive controllers actually sat in a plug-in card attached to the original ISA bus (great-grandfather of all of the current generation of PCI buses). The control logic sat outside the hard drives themselves on this plug-in card. Now back then there used to be two different types of hard drive formats available, MFM & RLL, and so you had to get the appropriate type of controller card for the type of HDD you were getting. The low-level formatter was a piece of code within the controller card that you could execute by using a special program in DOS that initiated that portion of the controller's logic. That all went away once the IDE HDD's came, the controller logic all lay inside the HDD's themselves, and the smart "controller cards" actually just became simpler dumb interface cards. Low-level formatting also became inaccessible by that point, as the LLF was done at the factory, and never needed refreshing.
@DunnsDayDash
@DunnsDayDash 3 жыл бұрын
*finally finds a video where someone goes into detail about something no one ever goes into detail about so I can finally learn 100%* KZbinr: I’m not going to get into that, I’m going to keep it simple for this video GOD DAMMIT 😫
@deadchannel5933
@deadchannel5933 3 жыл бұрын
I swear I had a stroke reading your comment
@srsykes
@srsykes 3 жыл бұрын
I had almost forgotten about low-level formatting. Seems that it took forever to low-level format my 30MB hard disk. I had the option to upgrade my Compaq 286 to the 30MB and all my friends thought I was nuts for paying extra for such a huge drive. "You will never be able to use 30MB on a home computer even 30 or 40 years from now."
@overnightdelivery
@overnightdelivery 3 жыл бұрын
Wow lol. I remember when I had the MASSIVE 40MB Hard Drive installed in a Tandy 1000. Crazy to think that only about 25 1.44 MB Floppy disks would fill the entire drive. Yet that was considered more than enough space at the time.
@chris2746
@chris2746 3 жыл бұрын
This is a pretty good piece, I was already familiar with a lot of the stuff in isolation but you did a nice job putting it all together into an easily understandable package.
@maxtornogood
@maxtornogood Жыл бұрын
Before Vista a "full" format was just a deep scan over the drive for bad sectors & not actually writing zeros. Starting with Vista a full format does do the zero write.
@MickeyMousePark
@MickeyMousePark Жыл бұрын
back in the day there use to be format without erase command..this would read a sector then format that sector the re-write the data back into that sector..this took hours to do but was helpful in recovering drives that were starting to have issues
@HamzaWoo
@HamzaWoo 3 жыл бұрын
This is why i subbed to this channel Some stuff u wonder what they do
@likebot.
@likebot. 3 жыл бұрын
LL formatting was back in the day when a 10 megabyte drive was _something..._ back when most personal computers ran on floppys or tape and the user was the device driver for everything.
@jamesslick4790
@jamesslick4790 3 жыл бұрын
"..........the user was the device driver for everything." 🤔😳😁👍😊👍
@G0lden07
@G0lden07 3 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised you explained all that shit and didn't bother with what NTFS and FAT32 are XD
@csdgay
@csdgay 3 жыл бұрын
english vs spanish
@ApofKol
@ApofKol 3 жыл бұрын
Oh right, I totally forgot, I was kinda looking forward that part... :C
@EduardoEscarez
@EduardoEscarez 3 жыл бұрын
​@DEEJMASTER 333 🤣🤣
@mikechappell4156
@mikechappell4156 3 жыл бұрын
He only covered NTFS for format/quick format. A FAT filesystem doesn't require those particular files.
@electronichaircut8801
@electronichaircut8801 3 жыл бұрын
@DEEJMASTER 333 exFAT
@alexandermeneses5688
@alexandermeneses5688 3 жыл бұрын
I would love to know more about SSDs! You left us a bit short on them :D
@TitanTubs
@TitanTubs Жыл бұрын
Bro you need to like assemble the stuff into like a playlist teach everything about computers because you explain everything so well. You're literally a villain turned hero. Thank you so much for what you do
@happyron
@happyron 3 жыл бұрын
ThioJoe reminds me of myself when I was younger - except he's really cool and has a youtube channel.
@louaiefellouh
@louaiefellouh 3 жыл бұрын
First time I watch one of ThioJoe's videos in the first 10 minutes.
@chriss3154
@chriss3154 3 жыл бұрын
I'm addicted to these videos! Very well explained👍
@ramprasath219
@ramprasath219 3 жыл бұрын
Now I know what is the meaning of: *Size of actual file and size of file in the disk* while seeing properties of a file or folder😎
@Custmzir
@Custmzir 3 жыл бұрын
@@shadycopilot Aww man
@mohamedshaim5959
@mohamedshaim5959 3 жыл бұрын
@@Custmzir so we back in the mine
@ian_silent
@ian_silent 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting and informative! Thanks!
@thesun___
@thesun___ 15 күн бұрын
This video was better than I thought it would be. Thank you.
@asariqueen5737
@asariqueen5737 3 жыл бұрын
The way you've completey turned the channel around is beautiful.
@gm2407
@gm2407 3 жыл бұрын
@15:25 I would like a video on the NVME drive please regarding that specific process. I think it would be informative and interesting to the audience.
@jasonlight1670
@jasonlight1670 Жыл бұрын
As a tech guy who helps people with their computer and is constantly into tech stuff, I was always curious about this and even though you said you went extra, always remember there are people out there who understand everything you said and I learned a lot from the video! Thanks for the education and I always love your content. 🤘🏼🤙🏼
@Expressoblood
@Expressoblood Жыл бұрын
It's nice when a KZbinr explains somewhat complex technical stuff in terms I can understand. Though with "zone allocation" it might be irrelevant but, I am curious how big is "Big files"( like, "text document big", "mp3 big" "Cd Iso" big, "DVD iso" big or such. )
@MikeSmith-fe3ng
@MikeSmith-fe3ng 5 ай бұрын
This was the fastest, easiest 16 min video I've watched. Thank you.
@ananyastale
@ananyastale 3 жыл бұрын
Your Videos are very good and helped many people including me. Keep up the good work!
@aaroneidinger
@aaroneidinger 3 жыл бұрын
Back in the day, low-level formatting wasn't just an "apparently you could" thing. It was a "you must do this first" thing. My memory is fading a bit, but in MS-DOS, you had to run the DEBUG command (built-in to the OS) to access a piece of microcode to do the low-level format. The code was likely on the controller. Once running, you would put in the drive geometry which was printing on the drive from the factory. It said how many heads, cylinders, sectors, etc. there were on the drive. In addition to that, the drive often came with a defect map you had to key into the low-level formatting utility to remove those parts of the drive from visibility from the operating system. Isn't that something, a drive coming from the factory with known defects you had to work around. I don't miss those days. Once IDE drives came around, the controller was on the drive itself and the computer had a "host bus adapter" to be able to connect to them. I remember back in the day wondering why I'd want all these things integrated on the motherboard. What if one component fails? I'd need to replace the whole board! That's expensive and inconvenient! Now, it's not a big deal. The reliability of components is really good at this point with all the mistakes being made decades ago and manufacturers learning from them. With the advent of IDE drives, Zone Bit Recording became a thing so your drive geometry changed from a physical feature to a logical one. When the operating system asks for some data on this (cylinder, head, sector), the drive knows where it actually is and reports it back. Most spinning drives today have only one physical platter with one or two heads. Not like back in the day when it was common to have a drive with many platters and two heads each. My first hard drive was a MFM, 5.25", full-height (3") drive holding 30MB. I would next upgrade to a RLL, 3.25", half-height (1.5") drive holding 40MB which just happened to be a slower drive than the first one.
@stevenadams9915
@stevenadams9915 2 жыл бұрын
Nice one, u bring to this platform a genuine approach sharing ur knowledge with others and create a supportive community. So long as u tell it as it is I'll continue to tune in.YES from me too
@PabSungenis
@PabSungenis 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting thing: floppies and hard drives also have a sort of translation layer. It’s called sector skew. Sectors are not laid out in numeric order but so that, ideally, the next sector to be read is directly under the head when the previous action is done. This is set during low level formatting.
@luhgarlicbread
@luhgarlicbread 2 жыл бұрын
Do you know if it was possible to low level format a floppy disk outside of the factory?
@PabSungenis
@PabSungenis 2 жыл бұрын
@@luhgarlicbread All floppies were low level formatted by the user. That's why you could select the different capacity for your needs based on your hardware.
@luhgarlicbread
@luhgarlicbread 2 жыл бұрын
@@PabSungenis Oh, cool
@jimi7053
@jimi7053 3 жыл бұрын
Dude these videos are so informativ! I don't know any other channel that has tech content that is so unique as this one. Most channels just have the standard top 10 best gaming laptops or something. Not ThioJoe, this video and the System32 hidden programs video are so unique and high quality. The reason I am subscribed to your channel! Keep up the good work man!
@stephensnell1379
@stephensnell1379 2 жыл бұрын
You mean informative
@MrBrianms
@MrBrianms 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the explanation of hard disc and SSD style storage. The MVME on both the motherboard and on the SSD looks like a better strategy. brilliant.
@laurendoe168
@laurendoe168 3 жыл бұрын
Some (if not many) Defrag programs will show the existence of the metadata files. Some will even display a name for each of them.
@phs125
@phs125 3 жыл бұрын
Yea, I remember seeing $MFT and thinking why I can't move it somewhere else...
@gregdowle8031
@gregdowle8031 3 жыл бұрын
@@phs125 I've seen that as well.
@phs125
@phs125 3 жыл бұрын
For future reference, If you get swapfile.sys or pagefile.sys And need to move it to make partitions, Just disable paging, reboot, and defrag...
@stanleymakafui
@stanleymakafui Жыл бұрын
Very informative. I enjoyed it, however, the part that got me more glued was where you stopped. I'm using more SSDs now to create content and I was interested in the Open Channel SSD thing about NVME drives.
@mohammadumair3108
@mohammadumair3108 3 жыл бұрын
I had been looking for this video since ages. Very informative! Thanks 👍☺️
@DissiOfficial
@DissiOfficial Жыл бұрын
I learn a lot on this channel please keep these videos coming.
@oscargalvez7
@oscargalvez7 3 ай бұрын
Superb explanation, thanks!
@hamzarotimi4082
@hamzarotimi4082 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for the knowledge you have been impacting into us.😌
@Tubeytime
@Tubeytime 2 жыл бұрын
"impacting into us"
@damnit00000001
@damnit00000001 Жыл бұрын
That's the clearest explanation I've ever heard
@xenorac
@xenorac 3 жыл бұрын
This has answered a lot of questions about hard drives I really have I wondered about for a long long time!
@nolancollet3458
@nolancollet3458 2 жыл бұрын
The detailed info about the drives makes the video very educational but still intresting. Keep it up! :)
@erik1836
@erik1836 Жыл бұрын
THIO you are amazing! Thank you, for your incredibly informative tutorials.
@marcse7en
@marcse7en 3 жыл бұрын
If I had a dollar for every time ThioJoe said: "I'm not gonna get into that," I'd have enough money to buy an SSD! 👍😂
@user-zs8eg4mu8t
@user-zs8eg4mu8t 2 жыл бұрын
Three
@marcse7en
@marcse7en 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-zs8eg4mu8t Would you care to elucidate on your one word reply? ... Three SSD's?
@user-zs8eg4mu8t
@user-zs8eg4mu8t 2 жыл бұрын
@@marcse7en ssds
@w6dm
@w6dm 2 жыл бұрын
1 rtx 3090
@burtonschrader2
@burtonschrader2 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks very very much. Now I understand. You present these subjects in a way that my poor old brain absorbs what you are teaching. Thanks.
@ShoFox
@ShoFox 3 жыл бұрын
I love these videos so much.. Simply explained for everyone!
@Yakone
@Yakone Жыл бұрын
Very educational! And surprisingly clearly explained! I'll be checking out more of your videos. Thanks!
@clashofpoke
@clashofpoke 3 жыл бұрын
I needed this! I just completed my NTLite Windows 10 version and wanted to store it on my USB drive for my new build. Thank you! Edit: Do I need to non-quick format to use my flash drive for installing windows? What about BIOS updates?
@juliancarter557
@juliancarter557 2 жыл бұрын
The way I recall "Low level formatting" was in the pre ATA interface days. The PC (usually DOS based Disk File System) actually completely controlled the hard disk. This also only allowed for logical drives of 32MB (yes MB). The Hard Disk Controller was plugged into an expansion slot on your computer and then you would use the dos debug tool to access a certain memory address to invoke the setup tools to partition and low level format your drives then allocate them as logical drives. I dont recall ever having to re low level format a drive on a PC XT or AT you merely set up the drive tracks, sectors and partitions once. Then you could return to DOS and format the drives. The ATA drives introduced the actual hardware control to the drives themselves and a simplified interface for the computers. So while you may use the DOS/Windows format command afterwards what physically happened on the disk was out of the computers hands as the ATA on drive controller actually took control and allowed for automatic management of bad sectors by swappibg bad sectors with a reserve of alternative sectors.
@bb55555555
@bb55555555 3 жыл бұрын
Good video Joe. An excellent crash course on how drives work.
@puspamadak
@puspamadak 3 жыл бұрын
Just stumbled upon your channel and I started to get all the answers to my questions!
@pablogriswold421
@pablogriswold421 3 жыл бұрын
Okay this video was more useful than the classic "how to change the oil in your computer" from back in the day. Thank you very much.
@Shermanbay
@Shermanbay 2 жыл бұрын
Another way of looking at low-level formatting is that the original write head is positioned by physical location, then it writes the address that defines the location. Simply put, at the location for track 1, sector 1, it writes "track 1, sector 1" , then "track 1, sector 2", then "track1, sector3", etc. The higher-level software of the OS then relies less on the physical head position and more on the written data to confirm its position just before reading or writing subsequent data. If it didn't do it this way, it would be all to easy to make a positioning mistake and store data in the wrong place, overwriting something else.
@tutacat
@tutacat 2 ай бұрын
This is also the reason you should use file or disk encryption. When you delete an encrypted files pointer, and the encryption key is not compromised, then it is functionally the same as being raw formatted.
@quest4439
@quest4439 2 жыл бұрын
This man's explanations are all over the place. Reminds me of how a child would explain things. No structure, no pacing or pauses, and lots of 'I'm not going to get into that'.
@istiaquemahmood7266
@istiaquemahmood7266 3 жыл бұрын
You made every single second of this video worth . You constantly do on all of your videos though tbh . Cheers mate 👍
@kennystrawnmusic
@kennystrawnmusic Жыл бұрын
Found this video a bit late but one thing that should be noted about SSDs is that they’re organized in pretty much the exact same way that RAM also is these days. Just as SSDs are organized into pages, so too is RAM and most modern CPUs have recursive page tables to map memory addresses the same way that an SSD’s mapping table is able to translate virtual LBAs to physical addresses of SSD pages. Since operating systems always have to design their own heap allocators to map the RAM, it should go without saying that mapping an SSD should in theory be just as straightforward. I say this as someone who has studied both the OSDev Wiki and Philipp Oppermann’s tutorial on writing kernels from scratch extensively.
@wot_hog
@wot_hog 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, especially the bit about choosing big blocks (7:40) for big files, but you forgot to tell us the important stuff, like how/why to choose FAT formatting, or FAT32, or NTFS, or exFAT, whatever all those are. Now THAT info seems more useful than knowing about sectors and cells and pages and whatnot.
@ncg8224
@ncg8224 Жыл бұрын
Thiojoe went from a troll to creating actual education videos. Times have really changed
@vampjoseph
@vampjoseph Жыл бұрын
this video reminded me of info tech class where I was given a computer to troubleshoot. I can't count how many times I had to manually tell the bios how many cylinders, clusters, sectors there were on the hdd before I realized the cmos battery was dead lol.
@angiecostabr
@angiecostabr Жыл бұрын
Wonderfully technical! Thank you so much!
@kblam1001
@kblam1001 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video. I learned a lot. And also I am now motivated to format one of my drives 😄
@typograf62
@typograf62 3 жыл бұрын
Ah, those days when every floppy disk had to be formatted before it could be used. And then came pre-formatted floppies. And Norton Utilities had a Disk Editor that could recover a deleted file - mostly manually. Something really got better.
@mikegallegos7
@mikegallegos7 3 жыл бұрын
I remember LL Formatting (LLF) and that the reading arm mechanism was large and had density. That also meant the seek time was longer due to the read arm weight and that, speed, would wear out the reader arm. Thus, drives would fail and computer speed was limited from sluggish to not very fast. Therefore, when LLF became strictly a manufacturing process, reader arms became lighter, could move faster, reduced seek time, and thus computers got a speed boost.
@andyp5899
@andyp5899 3 жыл бұрын
If I remember correctly G=C800:5 was the command to low level format the hard drive. You had to go into the debug program to run it. I don't remember if you had to boot into DOS or it was available before booting into the OS
@johnhillis1292
@johnhillis1292 2 жыл бұрын
Now show us how to Unformat a Quick format! Keep up the good work ThioJoe. I am a long time fan!
@helloitsmatt
@helloitsmatt 3 жыл бұрын
Computer Master who saved my computer's life🔥🔥
@helloitsmatt
@helloitsmatt 3 жыл бұрын
Omg the computer Master 😍 tysm🥺
@windowsxpprofessional
@windowsxpprofessional 3 жыл бұрын
Formatting hides your data and shows that space= free but actually nothing happens
@lfmsmka
@lfmsmka 3 жыл бұрын
so is it possible to trick the drive to think the files are hidden without formatting creating an infinite space that never gets filled up?
@windowsxpprofessional
@windowsxpprofessional 3 жыл бұрын
@@lfmsmka nope! As you create more data old data is overwritten
@memese7677
@memese7677 3 жыл бұрын
Actually that's exactly how facke flash drive works,they trick the system to think that it has more capacity but in reality they don't have that large assumed capacity and anything you put there above their real capacity it gets overwritten!
@lfmsmka
@lfmsmka 3 жыл бұрын
@@memese7677 Wow okay so does it cause any problem with the device like over heat or it stays normal? and is the data that got overwritten effected ?
@windowsxpprofessional
@windowsxpprofessional 3 жыл бұрын
@@lfmsmka the data hidden has been overwritten and can never be recovered
@Mike0193Azul
@Mike0193Azul 2 жыл бұрын
Very helpful information and indepth thank you
@dave_n8pu
@dave_n8pu 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for adding the time stamp.
@TheStiepen
@TheStiepen 3 жыл бұрын
One reason why low level formatting is no longer available is because it actually needs to be very precise, especially with higher data density. The formatting still fades today, but that is offset by it being much stronger and also better manufacturing. You used to access sectors on a hard disc using a CHS tuple (cylinder, head, sector) back with IDE. In fact on very old devices you actually had to tell the BIOS how many sectors, cylinders and heads (usually platters * 2) the disk actually had. nowadays with SATA (and NVMe as well) we exclusively use LBAs, which basically just gives each sector a number. One optimisation an HDD might do is switch between heads for every sector, which further improves sequential read/write performance. Fun fact: the MBR (to the extend of still being used) still contains CHS tuples for each partition. And yes, even GPT disks usually contain an MBR, though it's mostly useless.
@CS.319
@CS.319 2 жыл бұрын
That was some knowledge in this video!💯
@WaterlessIce
@WaterlessIce 3 жыл бұрын
This helps so much! I want to get an SSD and want to know what to do with the old hard drive, and now I know
@cursoreu2605
@cursoreu2605 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, I never knew what quick format does...
@NotASpyReally
@NotASpyReally 3 жыл бұрын
Oh, I thought you were gonna talk about file formats. This is gonna be interesting anyways, as always!
@asithainduwara7190
@asithainduwara7190 3 жыл бұрын
what happens if a SSD is defragged ? please explain
@dylanringproductions160
@dylanringproductions160 3 жыл бұрын
Well whenever I sell a computer with a hard drive I'm definitely going to not quick format it lol
@physics_hacker
@physics_hacker 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, obliterate those bits
@maleeshapriyanjana7604
@maleeshapriyanjana7604 9 ай бұрын
What a great explanation!
@kingzach74
@kingzach74 Жыл бұрын
Joe, I think you got low-level formatting a bit confused. Low-level formatting used to mean something different than what it means today. Below is the history of low-level formatting. Initially, the term Low Level Format was used to denote a process of placing address marks on the magnetic surface of a rotational hard drive. A disk head used these marks to determine location of sectors. Such an approach was used in the days when disks were supplied separately from the controllers. Each controller marked a disk surface with its own incompatible labels. When moving a disk between different controllers it was needed to reformat the disk, i.e. to write appropriate address marks. Since circa 1994, disk vendors have been producing disks with built-in controllers where sector address marks are applied directly on the factory. So Low Level Format doesn't apply to the modern hard disks. Nowadays, the term Low Level Format is preserved and most often used to denote a process of filling a disk with zeroes. Modern Low Level Format In modern life Low Level Format is performed to fill a storage device with zeroes which results in the following: irreversible data destruction; reallocation of suspicious sectors; improving of write performance of SSDs which do not support TRIM. Still, TRIM is far better option for SSD maintenance. They say that it has sense to zero-fill the entire disk in case of a logical filesystem failure. In fact, it is enough to just zero-fill MBR (a partition table) or GPT (for large disks) which are typically located within the first 100 MB. A filesystem doesn't require absolutely "clean", completely zero-filled, data area to work in - it operates in a heap of rubbish easily. This is because a filesystem driver never reads what it didn't write.
@andresbravo2003
@andresbravo2003 3 жыл бұрын
Hey guys, if your really serious trying to format the entire disk drive, don’t forget to backup first. 😇👍🏻
@becarly6108
@becarly6108 3 жыл бұрын
great tip.. sometimes i totally forget 🤣
@damonshanabarger2604
@damonshanabarger2604 3 жыл бұрын
My computer told me that the backup utility is no longer functioning. I tried to reload the original OS and it does not recognize it. Would the repair DVD for Windows XP from Amazon be able to help me? More and more things on my computer are looking stranger and stranger. Files are ever increasingly missing and more and more control options are missing. What should I do?
@nofal6
@nofal6 3 жыл бұрын
No wonder y this man has 2.64mil damn u a goat homi❤️
@MichaelChin1994
@MichaelChin1994 2 жыл бұрын
5:30 I cut my hand really badly once when tinkering with a hard drive. Those arms between the head are REALLY sharp. I was attempting to (for fun) move platters from one HDD to another. It didn't work out.
@lorrewatkins5925
@lorrewatkins5925 Жыл бұрын
I learn a lot from U TJ So I just wanted to thank U ! and keep up the good vid's !
@Silva0101
@Silva0101 4 ай бұрын
Thank you i finaly know what the defrag does after all this time, i used to think it just fixed broken stuff, now i understand it as organising data on a disc drive to make it quicker for the computer to locate information 😅 and that i never have to defragment again now all my drives are ssd
@user-nx5ox1rv7b
@user-nx5ox1rv7b 2 ай бұрын
is it same for SSD drives like sandisk 2tb ? Is is possible to recover ?
@chromerims
@chromerims 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this quality video.
@electronron1
@electronron1 3 жыл бұрын
I remember the days when you had to low level format a drive. I had a program that would allow me to inspect the data on the drive and by looking at the file names you could see what files were deleted because the extension had been changed and by editing the extension back to it original extension the file would be restored if it hadn't been overwritten. The program was PFM, no its not what your thinking, if i recall it stands for Personal File Manager.
@BarraIhsan
@BarraIhsan 3 жыл бұрын
I think formatting codes lol (Because I see the notification) Edit : Yes, got like from ThioJoe again woohoo! (Wait the likes disappear lol)
@jweidn01
@jweidn01 2 жыл бұрын
Joe, great video! Just curious if anyone remembers the old DOS command from back in the day, undelete or unformat? I ask as it was a simple dos command and not technically a forensic level software. I usually use dban or the heidi eraser software that was an experiment started by the university of California, and it works tremendously well as it even attempts to wipe the host protected area and other areas normally inaccessible by most software.
@jethrowbowdeen
@jethrowbowdeen 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome job explaining out things in detail for better understanding for all types of mind sets. You calling must have been a teacher or guide for others. Technical thinking is extremely important and very hard to find, especially these days. Never loose that moral spark you carry big dog. I definitely learned a lot from your channel and that's what it's about. GREAT JOB 👍
@datjamaicanjerk1230
@datjamaicanjerk1230 3 жыл бұрын
Everytime I watch his videos nowadays I think "I'm so glad he stop trolling. He knows a lotta shtuff"
@Wraith_of_Wrath
@Wraith_of_Wrath 2 жыл бұрын
Nice informative video, I now have a better understanding of how and what my drives do … thanks 👍
@arshdeepsinghsoni13469
@arshdeepsinghsoni13469 Жыл бұрын
Love the way you explain
@davidwallin7518
@davidwallin7518 3 жыл бұрын
I, distantly, remember having to Low Level Format drives - 30 years ago!
@russelldresh7832
@russelldresh7832 3 жыл бұрын
No mention of the different file systems, selecting allocation unit sizes all important factors that can effect your drive's performance and data handling. So many important facts omitted.
@MrCarl312
@MrCarl312 2 жыл бұрын
6:30 only if the cluster size is one. The minimum write is one cluster which is more that one sector, (often 4 sectors, sectors are usually 512 Bytes which makes the cluster size 2048 Bytes).
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