THIS 25GbE Server and Firewall Has it All

[@Spec4D]

That is SpecTek RAM. SpecTek is a Micron subsidiary that does binning of NAND and DRAM ICs. You will generally only see their logo on low binned ICs. That doesn't mean it's not tested to work, just that it's rated for a lower speed and/or higher voltage then something Micron wants their name on.

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

Awesome! Thanks!!!

[@tech_TSeries]

Nice

[@farmeunit]

So…it works….

[@باسلالصعدي-ر7ت]

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[@gowinfanless]

@@farmeunit We regular use oririginal SpecTek ,Micron and Samsung RAM chip which are stable!

[@stevegraham5494]

I love that GoWin asks their customers for feedback, actually listens to that feedback, and makes real changes in their products in response to those recommendations. In this day and age that's insane. Awesome!

[@SB-qm5wg]

Same thought. Big tech monopolies don't cherish or even like feedback. They just dish out junk like a prison cafeteria and say 'next.'

[@christianbatchelor5639]

Every time I ran into this in the Electronic Security industry, a larger company or holding company would buy the company out, and hack up the prices, kill the tech support and take away the aspects you liked. I'm looking at you, Motorola and Acre

[@SB-qm5wg]

Yep Yep. I worked at one and this exact scenario played out. @@christianbatchelor5639

[@gowinfanless]

That is true, NEXT!@@SB-qm5wg

[@LordSaliss]

Nice. The i3-N305 version is only 700 dollars. That is a very nice price for the performance and connectivity. Since they didn't include it in this review on description, the actual model number is: GW-BS-1UR2-25G

[@protator]

You also have to keep the efficiency curve of the PSU in mind. For a system that could go up to 100W with all components under load, a 150W PSU is reasonable. I'd probably still swap the fan for a Noctua for reliability alone.

[@nadtz]

This and the 1U 4x SFP+ Qotom have me seriously considering trying one of these devices. And I can understand the POE port, makes it easy to slap a POE AP and keep it a low power device.

[@mistermr.6938]

I think having the POE port is a good idea. Let's you run a poe powered AP. So if you set this up a do it all machine, it's one less piece of equipment you need.

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

I think this is more for like cameras or something

[@CamdogXIII]

@@ServeTheHomeVideo I can almost guarantee that it's meant for an AP. PFsense (and most firewalls) doesn't really have any AP functionality and it's hard to find 'add-in' cards that can properly serve clients. So instead plug in your unifi/aruba IO/Meraki/whatever AP and get wifi out to your clients. If it had 4-8 PoE ports I would then agree, maybe cameras...

[@giornikitop5373]

you don;t buy a $700 firewall if you want to drive 1 ap. a poe switch is much more usefull and maybe cheaper.

[@jrdwiz]

@@giornikitop5373 Agreed. I can't see many people using the POE port.

[@CamdogXIII]

@@giornikitop5373 I see it more like an 'all in one' server/firewall box for a small branch office or similar. I'm not saying it's a great solution, but I'm happy they offer it.

[@reddyuda]

I think the 1gb Poe port is to run a 5g WWAN router, powered off the main firewall for redundant or backup internet. I think that's pretty cool!

[@gowinfanless]

We will upgrade it to PoE+ for better function,just in the next batch!

[@Anaerin]

I am quite surprised they're not using a Pico ATX PSU in there. You can get up to 250W in a tiny fanless package, and I don't think you'd need any more than that. That would mean you have a power brick to convert the AC to the 19v DC input, but a PicoATX is so small you'd have the space to include that inside the case, where the existing PSU was.

[@notreal5311]

Came here to post the same thing -- easily add a Pico PSU or an HD Plex and hide the brick inside (or pick another AC to DC solution) vs going with a noisy 1U PSU. I was thinking about what all would have to be done to mod it while watching the video. That being said, the type of people who want a 1U form factor are probably already running some noiser stuff so maybe a fan less desktop appliance version with a brick and then a noiser 1U unit? Expensive to make two different versions I'm sure.

[@gowinfanless]

Hi,there,thank you for the comments,and we must improve it in the second batch,to make it a real fanless Gowin 1U rack!

[@Yandarval]

Its could be a reliability issue long term. or they have a deal for power bricks.

[@Daniel15au]

For what it's worth, I'm happy they're using a PSU from a reputable manufacturer. Should be good for reliability. They really just need to ask the manufacturer to swap to quieter fans.

[@tolpacourt]

It's difficult to find an ATX power supply rated for less than 550 watts on newegg or amazon. I looked for 300 watt ATX power supplies on ebay and found nothing but used units.

[@TheFrantic5]

5:32 "There are 6 lights!" :D

[@Bill_the_Red_Lichtie]

100% 😀

[@DownandOutNYC]

"You are… six years old… weak and helpless! You cannot… HURT ME!"

[@Bill_the_Red_Lichtie]

@@DownandOutNYC You have to stop smoking that stuff!

[@MineStrongth]

Those aren't lights, they're RF connectors.

[@TheFrantic5]

@@MineStrongth Ask your parents about TNG.

[@aderptcain]

The 150W PSU is probably to ensure it can deliver all its functionality at once. Your benchmarks showed that it was already using ~51W under load, which looked like it was with none of the front I/O populated. If we add 15W for PoE, dual 10GBaseT SFPs at 3W apiece, USBs in all four ports taking 4.5W apiece, we're already looking at ~90W without adding in populating both SATA and M.2 slots and some potential extra load for populating the 1G and 2.5G ethernet. That's also not taking into account AC-DC conversion on all those wattages, which are wattage at the device, 100W wouldn't be enough for the system fully loaded.

[@marvin3898]

There are two asm1806 chips on the board. They only support pcie 2.0. Would be interesting how the Lanes are shared.

[@MarcSLO]

I would really love a firewall that has at least 4 SFP+ ports, one for internet uplink, one or two more for servers and one more for my desktop. Also, UTP ports should be all POE, so I can run my access points and cameras. In that case I wouldn't need to run a separate expensive POE switch with 10gbit uplink ports.

[@dustingodin5323]

Check out the opnsense hardware. Pretty sure they have exactly that. Going to cost like 800+ though depending on what throughout you need on routing.

[@udirt]

If Juniper had kept their NFX series in shape, they'd have had this 3 years ago, and extended into new markets. Instead they did none of that except maintain astromonic list prices, charge to download OS updates and let all new opportunity pass by and went go find someone to buy them.

[@licson0729]

They better just focus on their core products like the MX series. New MX models are full of strange bugs and weird quirks on port speeds.

[@dfgdfg_]

GoWin is a plucky underdog and I'm here for it

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

Agreed

[@tonystirk7792]

This is something more appropriate for an edge server case: low power, strong case, somewhat lower noise, efficient cooling, etc. The cellular capability is rare and would be great for IOT or surveillance. It is less likely to be used in a data center, but in a mini wall mounted rack. It is not suited for harsh industrial environments or outdoor use with high humidity or temperatures, but it will be a lot less touchy than standard servers. You might want to talk more about use cases.

[@gowinfanless]

Thank you,we have make it more quieter with new PSU,and fanless chassis.

[@tonystirk7792]

@@gowinfanless Quieter is certainly better for use cases where people will be around the unit. Having gone fanless, of course, makes it very quiet and makes it much more likely to do well in harsher environments. You would still have to make adjustments for harsh environments like areas where you would want the unit completely sealed or be able to deal with very high or low ambient temperatures. Still, fanless makes it usable outside an enclosed space for equipment or a space that is expected to be loud or require high movement of air. Good move!

[@MoraFermi]

Dear GoWin, please make a version of this with a low profile pcie slot on the front, rather than the NIC. I want to stick a sas controller with external ports in this.

[@gowinfanless]

Hi there,That's sounds reasonable and make sense,we are willing to try it,maybe in the next batch!

[@stevefan8283]

There probably aren't enough PCIE lanes?

[@McCuneWindandSolar]

Would make a nice pFsense router.

[@sphbecker]

I would be really nervous installing a fanless device like that into a rack. I guess it would be fine if it was at the top of the rack, but if anything was above it, I can’t imagine how that would work correctly.

[@bastian775]

I think it's a good move compared to the very small devices. I love that the PSU is replaceable if needed I think: you can probably actually buy those. I feel like I could do without PoE, it can be handy though it's just regular PoE. it would be great if you could buy say, framework 13 laptop heatsink/fan replacements for example to replace broken fans on the CPU/Mellanox. You could accomplish this using the same sort of method as Erying is using in the desktop boards. standardized parts could possibly also lower the cost. I don't know why they seem to have removed the ability to add fans to the fanless version. Yes it's an almost fanless version, so the "unobtanium" fans are not required. now what if we could add some 40 mm standard fans anyway to the fanless version if we wished to do so, because for example we could not meet the requirement of leaving the top open.

[@PeterHonig.]

Wow! This really is quite awesome. However, at the same time I think that it has a bit too much for a server. Namely, I wouldn't ever want a server to have WiFi - that is for my wireless access points to handle. I also wouldn't want so many Ethernet ports - two copper and two fiber that can be link aggregated is fine for me. I really like to have a router be a router and a server be a server rather than the combination of the two. However, what really do like about this unit a lot is the shallow depth of chassis, as most servers are two or three times deeper. This one would have no problem fitting into my rack.

[@christianbatchelor5639]

In a small business environment, could this not be easy to deploy in remote locations and allow you to spin up something like Proxmox so you can do local testing as well? A lot of times the All-In-One units in my experience are easier that way as you can ship to someone not very technical and not have to send a full riser on how to connect everything. You can set this up on your desk, then send it and a L3 switch to site, and they just have to plug and play. Having the LTE option helps because you can remotely configure and access the Local LAN and WAN

[@graysonpeddie]

I could seriously use this server as my router with a couple of things sunning in the server such as Samba AD DC and even Home Assistant. I'm still going to have to watch this video again and look/hear idle power consumption again. Plus, I could see myself replacing that PSU with something much quieter. I want to keep the noise down to the minimum whenever possible. Okay, so 27 to 30 watt range. Not too bad. My custom-built server hovers around 50 watts at idle.

[@daninmanchester]

I'm thinking the same. I don't need 10GB but if I could use that space for a 3.5" drive that would be a nice home server. I could also use for my CCTV.

[@LokiDaFerret]

What you got here is a China special. It takes a brave person to rev this up in a production environment.

[@IanHobday]

Pretty much everything is made in China these days, including a ton of Cisco stuff. What would be a juicier target, a SOHO/home 1U firewall, or the devices & chips used by pretty much every corporate network on the planet?

[@LokiDaFerret]

​@@IanHobday good point. So what kind of warranty backs this product? The fact that they found a problem with the USB ports on the front doesn't bode well for this product's stability. So in short, caveat emptor.

[@IanHobday]

@@LokiDaFerret For sure, this sort of stuff is for people who like to tinker. I have a similar sort of box with 2.5gbe ports on it, running a Ryzen 5825U. 64GB, 2TB mirrored nvme drives. It runs promox with opnsense as a VM, and mariadb in a separate VM. Will add more stuff over time.

[@christianbatchelor5639]

​@@LokiDaFerretI believe the problem was physical clearance when he was talking about interference, not crosstalk

[@LokiDaFerret]

@@IanHobday I have 2 paper cups, a long string, and a wild sense of humour. AND my paper cups are backed by a 2-year warranty. 😁

[@grzegorzdziegielewski]

I would like to see this with as an ATX/miniITX motherboard so i would can exchange my 10yr old Xeon motherboard with 10G+16SAS Nas hybrid. I could use two M.2 to SFF-8087 (or similar) to handle the SATA/SAS drives and have 10G altogether.

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

There used to be cool Intel Xeon D motherboards like this

[@gowinfanless]

The Xeon D2700 is super cool! @@ServeTheHomeVideo

[@grzegorzdziegielewski]

But Xeon D is around 45W not 8W...@@ServeTheHomeVideo

[@grzegorzdziegielewski]

Yet, 8W is much less than 45W@@ServeTheHomeVideo

[@daninmanchester]

This is cool, but why dont they do a really simple version? I use the N100 4 port mini PC from topton about £100. put that as the base model in a rack.

[@adamchurchman]

Great review thanks, can the 25G nics be run at mixed speed, say one 10g the other 25g?

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

Yes, absolutely

[@denvera1g1]

I love the execution of this and might just pick one up(and supply my own fan-free PSU) Basically exactly what i've been looking for. For the i3-N305, instead of Intel taking an Atom/Celeron class processor with the top die being 8E cores 32Xe cores, 1 channel of RAM and 9 PCIe 3.0 lanes, just branded it as an i3 I wish Intel had taked the die used in the i3-1215U and just cut it down differently, since the i3-1215U and i3-N305 at least had the same MSP/CSP(they both used to say $309 before people got mad and intel took them all down shortly after the i3-N305 release). The 1215U is cut down from the i7-1265U starting with 2P8E and 96Xe, cut down to 2P4E 64Xe in the 1215u. For the N305 i wish they had Instead taken the 1265U down to 0P8E 32-64Xe, while still retain 2 channels, ~20PCIe lanes of gen4. IIRC its mixed so maybe some are 3.0, but even if it were all gen 3, its still 20 lanes VS 9 in the Atom/Celeron class die. I'd actually pay more for this than the i3-1215U/N305. Yes i do realise that i could order an i5-1245UL and just disable the P cores, and then i'd be left with even more Xe cores, but if there are that many defective i5/i7 that require disabling 4 E cores to make the i3, there must be similar ammounts of defective P cores that could have been disabled to make an 8E core i3, but with lots of RAM and PCIe. And to counter the other argument: If the i3-1215 exist(ed) at $309 MSP, then an 8E core could exist around the same price as they are all from the same i7-1265U mother die, down to the lowest die, the 2P4E 1210U. i'd personally pay more for a theoretical i3-1220UE/UL, say an extra $30 just to get 4 more E cores, and not have to mess with a mixed architecture. Yes it would ue more power because it is a larger die, with double the RAM and double the PCIe, but thats a price i'd be willing to pay.

[@gowinfanless]

We are thing the 1235U and 1245U,thank you

[@denvera1g1]

@@gowinfanless Oh my, sign me up

[@ToomsDotDk]

can be fun to see if you replaced the PSU with and picopsu to go fully silent and maybe low watts

[@sevyn13]

Link to buy?

[@theWSt]

Nice device 😃 Maybe it's worth to try to mod it by replacing the power supply with a 100W version and use a quiet Noctua fan on this one. What do you think of this idea?

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

Some folks had the PicoPSU idea which is really interesting.

[@tolpacourt]

Can I please get this board in a mini ITX form factor? I don't even need the 25G fibre ports. 10G is fine :)

[@Apex180]

This, this has it all. Passive Rackmount 2 m2 slots for a mirrored boot drive 2 ports for bulk storage vga and hdmi output slot for wi-fi and lte Its slight over kill in some area for a firewall but it covers whats needed :) Now to keep saving for this and a switch to go with it :D

[@Apex180]

would be nice if the storefront let you buy the lte modem / wifi in one spot; make it a compleat package if all the copper ports where 2.5g (in the poe port) its getting close, got to get the switch sorted first but this would be a way to consolidate things in the home lab. Have gowin thought about a 1u/2u nas unit, with sleds for 2.5" / m2 drives, that would allow me to complete the homelab stack finally :D

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

Good point.

[@bartgrefte]

Saw reports on Reddit about the system not shutting down, psu(-fan) stayed active drawing ~12.5W, did you notice anything?

[@gowinfanless]

It was fixed in the second batch,already

[@chebrubin]

I would run Windows Server 2022 Standard (Education subscription). Call it a day. Run all your drives and run a firewall and router/ remote in Windows. This would make a great piracy platform. And home media server.

[@shubinternet]

It would be interesting to see if they could ship a version with a higher end processor that includes QAT and other technology to increase their VPN performance. IMO, you shouldn't be running a firewall without an upstream VPN.

[@MrAphexcloud]

what is the software usedon the large screen behind you? have you done a video on this at any stage?

[@stevekristoff4365]

Nice, but why do they keep making these systems with cpu's that do not support ECC ram?!?

[@Daniel15au]

Intel only support ECC on workstation (W680) or server grade motherboard chipset, and those chipsets aren't designed for mini PCs with low power CPUs. (this system is essentially still a mini PC, just in a 1U form factor)

[@stevekristoff4365]

@@Daniel15au ECC is supported on many cpu's (both server & embedded) being a small form factor has nothing to do with supporting ECC or not (I have numerous Atom; xeon D; xeon E; etc ) systems that are small form factor. Problem is that most of them are custom OEM units from various vendors (firewall; network gear; storage heads; etc). what I want to see is a non vendor box which would make getting firmware updates easier. With large data flows of any sort ECC is pretty much required if you care about data integrity.

[@gowinfanless]

@@stevekristoff4365 You are right and we want to make it in the next batch with new motherboard

[@stevekristoff4365]

@@gowinfanless will be interested to see what you come up with. A small, low-power system that is 1U, supports ECC and QAT with at least 2x SFP28 and 2-4x 1G (or 1/2.5/5G multi-gig) with at 4-8 cores would fit very nicely for point firewall/network segmentation purposes. (where you need to encrypt and do deep inspection on more than just a single in/egress interface but between segments/dmzs/etc). Solutions like the C3758R just don't cut it with the performance needed and have been really wanting something akin to a low-end xeon D 17xx or 27xx NT/NE series.

[@GsrItalia]

Both system design for heat dissipation do not impress me that much. The standard version use a fan on top of the CPU heatsink. I'd see more airflow with some slots in the upper part of the front panel, on top the 2.5gbe and 1Gbe ports, associated with chassis fans aligned on the back in the slot section. VGA port could be put vertically, close to the PSU if EMI allows it. Current back fan location might also be useful for wireless options, however the fins orientation of the CPU heatsink to not encourage hot air to be routed directly on the rear. More on that: power cable position in front of the PSU fan and between the PSU itself and the ventilation slots of the front panel might create more airflow issues. Fanless version has... dust/particle sinkoles on the top, and in a rack layout even on top might need anyway up-flow vents to increase convection air movement. However, the increased heat dissipation mass of the CPU heatsink, combined with different fins orientation, front air intake slots and some 40mm fans on the back of the chassis might achieve a reasonable balance of higher airlow, lower fan speed noise and less noise... When a less noisy (not fanless) PSU replacement could be found. PoE port, if can be used as WAN, is a nice touch, if works properly: might power AP/antenna device for use Wireless Internet Service providers, or avoiding the use of a separate PoE injector, o be used as ONT power supply for FTTH services. Several router producers like Mikrotik have these kind of features in some products. Last but not least: eMMC on 2024 is... a big no for me. Might work for a Thin Client, but not for a firewall, evan an overbuilt OpenWRT one. Connectivity is nice, but computational power seems a bit on the short side for all these options. And more importantly, neither designs seem to me really market ready. I hope that GoWin could improve the design process. Sysyems do not need to fanless to be low noise.

[@tombanzxt]

how would this play with proxmox on?

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

Great. It is running on Proxmox VE and being shown on the screen behind me in the power section.

[@tttomtxhc]

No idea where to buy this thing… their website is very hard to navigate

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

Agreed. That is why it was in the key lessons learned and discussed in the main site article.

[@mariantwyrdy4762]

Any info when the "fanless" version will be available?

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

I heard they are making a few changes after our review

[@mariantwyrdy4762]

@@ServeTheHomeVideo I hope it doesn't take that long. I need to replace my firewall soon and that thing looks like an ideal replacement.

[@gowinfanless]

@@ServeTheHomeVideo Yes, we have started the delivery from 8th,May and it continues

[@mariantwyrdy4762]

@@gowinfanless awesome, where and when can I order the fanless version?

[@giornikitop5373]

yeah, ecores, single channel ram, 9 pci-e lanes. this thing was never going to drive 2x25gbit connections, let alone all the other stuff. what's the point in having all those interfaces if you can;t fully use them? this drives up the cost needlessly. you don;t need 2nvme, 1 is fine. the poe port is also useless, you don;t buy this firewall to power your aps or cameras, an ipmi would have been much more usefull. this is a device that seems it can doit all, but it does it everything half way. meh.

[@grcunyus]

I live in the country where we have WISP. The backhaul is powered by POE. That would eliminate a power brick in my rack. I'm looking at fiber for lightning isolation. I have no need for that kind of speed on a wireless link but the isolation would worth the cost.

[@efimovv]

Oh wow. Awesome!

[@TheMrDrMs]

They went a bit far with this compared to their other tiny 10g model. I just want something that's sub 30w, line speed at 10gb for IDS/IPS + crypto. SFP56 should be considered instead of 28. 28 was mostly skipped over in enterprise, just like how 2.5 and 5gb is useless. I'd be willing to pay maybe $400 for what my 'dream' would be, but not $700 for this.

[@tim-peerwiederkehr6067]

Where can i buy this?

[@rudypieplenbosch6752]

This looks like it ticks all the boxes 🤔, I only prefer a Ryzen in there.

[@romanrm1]

It's a bummer that not all downlink ports are 2.5G. There are also 5Gbit NICs now (RTL8126), so we should expect faster, not slower! Otherwise the 25G uplink is for what exactly?...

[@user-jt6sn7yu1d]

Anyone know what sfp to rj45 modules would work for the 10gb version. Thanks

[@gowinfanless]

Still not for now,I mean not in this version,but we try to make a new version!

[@user-jt6sn7yu1d]

@@gowinfanless sounds great. Any idea on timescales? Thanks

[@dohmarau]

@@user-jt6sn7yu1d if you're prepared to sacrifice an m.2 slot, you can add an nvme to 10gbe RJ45 nic. You'd have to modify the chassis to mount the socket but it'd work

[@mychannelforfun5523]

Can I add a FC card to this for SAN connections?

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

I am not sure how you would do that since there is not a PCIe slot?

[@gowinfanless]

We are try to add the PCIE slot in the next batch as some of the users asked for it @@ServeTheHomeVideo

[@the_beefy1986]

Lol 15:00 "Some OSes" Can't we just say Windows??

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

Also things like Proxmox VE will not install out of the box using eMMC as an example.

[@christianbatchelor5639]

​@@ServeTheHomeVideoglad I read the comments, that was going to be my use case

[@robertweigl7201]

lol the gowin homepage, especially the products homepage is a 404

[@gowinfanless]

We are doing out best to upload more items into the new website.Will finish it on March.

[@tolpacourt]

That i3-N305 is not impressive. I have a small Rancher Kubernetes cluster (3 controlplane, 2 worker) running in a Proxmox host and the sustained load is middle fours with no k8s apps deployed other than the Rancher web GUI. I was hoping for a sustained load of 2.5 or 3.

[@movax20h]

meh. Two years ago maybe I would be mildly interested, and if it had AMD EPYC Embeded (which by the way has 3 10Gbps NICs in SoC), or RAM slots. I was searching for months 2 years ago, even pinged few vendors, to build 25G router. Meh, nothing was good, so I have built my own (based on ASrock Rack mobo), and super happy (and better cooling), can push full 25Gbps without issues. Now deploying 100Gbps, so will do the same, deploy my own just with faster PCIe, CPU and Memory. Soldered eMMC. I consider this a joke. Good it exists, and some progress is being made, but could be better.

[@gowinfanless]

For sure YES,thank you.Can I get a further discussion with you as the comments are great!

[@ColdSphinX]

I'm wondering, why the heatsink on the "fanless" unit are 90 degree rotated to a normal rack airflow so...really weird.

[@efimovv]

There is no airflow in front of unit. May be it pull some air via power supply.

[@christianbatchelor5639]

Most rack units aren't front to back, they are back and sides, unless there is specifically a fan in the front. On reason is concerns like he had about putting anything on top of this. You don't want to blow hot air from one unit on another

[@zacharynorth]

is this thing released yet? if yes, link? ty

[@felocha]

n305 only has pcie3x9, I wonder how the lanes are distributed

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

We went into the switch chips and such being used in the overview. You are right, this is fascinating though.

[@matthiaslange392]

5:33 5 Antenna ports? 😂 There were not enough fingers on one hand? I can clearly see 6 ports.

[@danagoyette7932]

Too bad OpenWRT's default X86 has a horrendously tiny 100MB root partition size. Not long ago, my OpenWRT x86 machine randomly wiped out its firewall config, rendering everything unreachable, because I tried to install tailscale and it ran out of space. Even if you resize the ext4 partition, it will go back to being tiny the next time you sysupgrade. Come on, OpenWRT devs, at least make it 250MB!

[@roc342]

how much is iy?

[@Daniel15au]

I'm amused at your pronunciation of "homogenous" (14:44). It's hom-odge-en-us not homo-genius.

[@Jonathan_O]

This guy talks fast as hell!

[@BoraHorzaGobuchul]

He's faster than your average KZbinr, so I usually watch him at 1.5x instead of the usual 2.0x.

[@christianbatchelor5639]

I'm here for it, lots of these (Linus) drag things WAY out. And when doing research, for your own stuff, this straight to the point style helps when you have tons of videos to watch. I don't think he talks fast as hell though, and I'm a southerner

[@lkchild]

That thing would make a great NTP server or similar if it was bundled with a GPS or GSM card.

[@nrees87]

Did they just remove the heatsink on the fanless one and just leave the thermal compound?!

[@toronaldaris]

I would love to know what their thinking is behind the POE Port and what their expected use case is, I'm racking my brain thinking of a use case, and I'm not really seeing it.

[@christianbatchelor5639]

Small business for MDF camera. Power a remote switch where there is not line power Cell modem that takes POE Single Access Point

[@stalbaum]

Can I have?

[@KrK-EST]

Again Intel 🤦

[@gowinfanless]

Are you looking for AMD？

[@joshhardin666]

I don't want "all kinds of different nics" - just give me 10 and/or 25g. preferably some 10g base-t, some 10g sfp+ and some 25g qsfp+ I'm REALLY SICK of machines with 2.5g ethernet. some people only need 1g, and that's fine (this isn't the hardware for them, there's tons of way cheaper way more efficient gear for that out there already), but for people who need more than 1g, just put 10g in it (preferably 10g base-t, but sfp+ i suppose is acceptable as i don't mind using the couple of sfp+ ports you usually get on a big 10g base-t switch (that I run). I just got one of those quotum boxes with quad 10g and hooked it up to the couple sfp+ ports I thought i'd never use on my 10g base-t switch and it's working out pretty good (except that i wish it were rack mountable... I might end up having to 3d print a rack mount for it at some point down the line. (but also it's about 4u due to the heatsink height). I just wish folks would stop with the insult that is 2.5g ethernet.

[@LackofFaithify]

Great, don't buy them.

[@gowinfanless]

That's clear that we meed to design more models to match the different needs.We will do

[@spewp]

You wouldn't have USB interference if you bought and reviewed products that were in compliance with FCC regulations. Imagine putting this supply chain poisoned box on your network, yikes.

[@---tr9qg]

IPMI is absent 💩

[@risesir]

A “fanless” unit with a fan, and the loudest of a system at that. GoWin? More like DoneLost.

[@itsnebulous8507]

There is no reason to have 2x 25g connections on a firewall appliance. The only 25g WAN connections that exist to an end consumer that I know of are in Switzerland. Even if I had that kind of connection, I'd want 4x 25g connections so I had enough ports to do an etherchannel to my core. There only way those 25g connections don't get bottlenecked by something downstream is in the use case of using a single connection for inside and a single connection for outside on a 25g handoff to the ISP. I won't get into a diatribe on why router-on-a-stick shouldn't be used in environments where you host internal services, so don't bother bringing it up to me. Also, I'd rather have IPMI than PoE+4g/WiFi. If you're going to use 4g for the redundancy angle you might as well provision enough ports for LACP. This use case doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

[@grifter2]

Firewalls are used all the time for inter-vlan traffic. Heck i even use them for that in my home.

[@LackofFaithify]

Why do you see something, then instantly need to comment about how no one needs that? I'm just curious as to the driving force behind that impulse. Also, newsflash, capitalist economies don't only do the whole "need" thing. You can also just have wants.

[@itsnebulous8507]

@@grifter2 You aren't thinking about it deeply enough. You still need a switch for your access connections. So, you would need a switch with 25g links to work in concert with this to use it for inter-VLAN routing and firewalling. On top of that, you should be using ACLs for segmentation on a home network because you don't need to utilize DPI capabilities that a firewall can provide. All devices on your home network are trusted, it's not an enterprise. ACLs work at line rate and if you have a constant 25g of inter-VLAN traffic then why would you limit yourself to a single 25g connection to this firewall? I know you guys aren't using LACP. It doesn't make sense.

[@itsnebulous8507]

@@LackofFaithify im consoooooming

[@floodo1]

25g for lan side not WAN side in some setups, easiest to trunk VLANs to single WAN/Inter-VLAN router

[@eveningstarnm3107]

It's mainland Chinese, and automatically excluded from consideration.

[@Geyer128]

POE is awesome for 5G, there are some outdoor 5G Modems that are POE powered.

[@gowinfanless]

We plan to use PoE+ from the next batch

[@YerBrwnDogAteMyRabit]

​@@gowinfanlessSaw that you mentioned this more than once. Any idea when the next batch w/ poe+ will be offered for sale?

[@ZoneCracker]

Crap, bots are first to reply >_

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

We will give you the first!

[@ZoneCracker]

@@ServeTheHomeVideo haha thats too kind :D

[@Prophes0r]

They REALLY should have taken a design hint from old stereo equipment for the 'fanless' unit. Put the heatsinks on the back and/or sides, so air can rise through the fins with convection. Further, I have decided the *ideal* way to quietly cool a 1U chassis is with a blower fan ~2/3U thick. Plop it in there flat, blowing at your parts, Sucking in air from the 'top' which has room because it isn't as thick as 1U. Route the intake to a slot in the front. They can be quiet by running at a lower RPM and still push a lot of air. They just take up a bigger internal footprint. So not ideal for maximum density servers where everything is LEGO tight. For switches and systems like this one with big empty spaces in them it's great though.

[@hachikiina]

i wish they made the fins parallel to the possible airflow in the rack. if there are other devices in the rank that has a fan i think it'd benefit from the residual airflow they produce. but if you already have a noisy server then a fanless unit wouldn't make that much sense... food for thought.

[@danbrown586]

I really don't want to buy another server without IPMI/iLO/iDRAC. I might, but really don't want to. Pity none of the off-brand gear seems to want to include it.

[@dongalis]

The POE port is a great idea in my opinion. One great use could be to have a backup connection with POE powered 5G/longrange Wifi antena from ISP etc. Great way to have acess to the devices remotly in case needed. Yeah the antena can be mounted inside the chasis but the reception is not always best in places where server racks are placed from my experience

[@notreal5311]

I have a POE powered 5g outdoor LTE modem that this could power

[@christianbatchelor5639]

​@@notreal5311personally, if it was outdoor, I'd probably want isolation between this and that device so nothing damages this unit, but companies like ditek do make POE protectors

[@willcarter7079]

Unpopular opinion but if you have to sacrifice a unit of rack space and install fans in your rack to blow across the heat sink, wouldn't it be better to just have a couple fans in the unit?

[@aoikuroyuri6536]

AAAAAAAAAAAND they dont sell to EU .... F

[@gowinfanless]

We have sold at least 100 units to EU,including Germany,France,Finland,Swiss,UK,Belgium,Italy,.It's regular delivery

[@xtlmeth]

🤦‍♀️ i’m already broke after purchasing the last two things you made videos on.

[@editsbykanishko]

Oh man I just got set up with the Qotom 10g setup now I gotta upgrade 😅

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

I think that setup is awesome as well. Lower power and has QAT.

[@editsbykanishko]

@@ServeTheHomeVideo I love it! Works great with any load so far

[@nadtz]

Where did you get yours? Qotom seems to have disappeared from Amazon and I was thinking about getting one of those. I guess I can deal with ali if it comes to it since they have a 1u rackmount unit available there.

[@Clobercow1]

Dang they really went out of their way to send you units easy for you to review. Great on them!

[@gowinfanless]

Thank you!

[@CatalystReaction]

a good step in the right direction, but it needs a powered sata/usb DOM header for it to be useful. props to gowin for trying out new things!

[@perihelion4495]

There actually is an unused usb2 pin header if you want to use that. But i think the emmc would suffice for that usecase

[@gowinfanless]

Yes, we always keep the passion for creative ICT hardware.

[@Overlanding]

Would this thing be able to run OPNsense with IDS/IPS and ZenArmor at 10Gbit or even 25Gbit up/down or would the CPU be a bottleneck here? I'm looking for a fairly cheap machine to do that (and yes.. I need the full 10Gbit before people start complaining that it's not needed... i could even get a 25Gbit line where I live) but I'm wondering if the CPU would be sufficient to get full 10Gbit with threat protection activated. Anyone got an idea?

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

If you were looking for something to do 10Gbps+ with full packet inspection you will want a much more powerful CPU

[@Overlanding]

@@ServeTheHomeVideoThanks for getting back to me. Yeah I kind of expected that already but thought I'd ask. Any CPU suggestions or rough territory benchmark-wise?

[@gowinfanless]

@@Overlanding We had 25G version

[@Overlanding]

@@gowinfanless Do you guys consider building the same thing with a more potent processor option as well? I absolutely love the unit but it would be great to have an option that packs more punch with a current i7, i9 or ryzen.

[@LucasHereld]

Been waiting for this review. Gonna pick one of the 10G versions up to try as a worker node in my home k8 cluster.

[@zxcvb_bvcxz]

the hell do you need Kubernetes for at home? If I am working on Kubernetes, I better be getting paid.

[@LucasHereld]

@@zxcvb_bvcxz I actually enjoy tinkering with kubernetes

[@stevefan8283]

​@@zxcvb_bvcxzPerhaps you are being paid at the same time with Kubernetes at work and at home just like I do? I did Kubernetes at home + VPS go avoid the nefarious public cloud traffic ransom.

[@stevefan8283]

​@@zxcvb_bvcxzWhy not both? I'm doing K8S at home and at work.

[@rezenclowd3]

What I am really dissapointed in is pricing for the C3000 Denverton and C15XX D-Xenon stuff. It sells for what it did when new. Looking to upgrade my PFsense router for better VPN throughput but damn if I will spend release pricing for a 2105-2017 release. I stay with Supermicro due to having IPMI as well for my homelab. If it has AES-NI I will be fine. Not paying for PFSense+ (no quickassist without +) However if I were to pay for PFsense+, then I would buy a Netgate device as over 5-8 years, the price and support is worth having the $1500 option.

[@mbe102]

Are there any links to buy one of these beauties? I can't seem to find one in the description?

[@deano1699]

I really like this form factor, and this specific featureset! I would strongly disagree that the PoE is ditchable. If you think about the use cases, needing/wanting a secondary PoE switch is already one or two bumps up in tier. Having this solo PoE port for an arbitrary IoT device, camera, etc really solves the "all in one" aesthetic/use case - it can really cram everything for a small network PoP for a WISP or something in a single unit. That's really nice. My only complaint (apart from the obvious need to upgrade the PSU for quieter operation) is that the PoE port should be on the rear of the device. Obviously, if someone gets physical access to your unit, you're compromised from a security standpoint, but keeping an always-on PoE device lit when someone walks by and snags a cable, or a new tech pulls the wrong port while figuring things out is just plain sensible. It's out of the way, just like the power plug and the 4G/wifi antennas, which keeps it out of sight and mind... And just hard enough to mess with to keep a casual saboteur from triggering a truck roll, or even backtracing the PoE run to swipe the device on the far end. ;)

[@deepspacecow2644]

I was thinking this could be a good WISP device. Terminate your fiber in the router and run your AP directly off of POE, or you could run a camera in the cabinet/shelter for security.

[@grifter2]

I ordered one of these 2 days ago, waiting for it to arrive. This video came out right when i was looking for more info about it, great timing. Just my luck that they come out with a fan-less version a couple days later..

[@MrMoonsilver]

If you really want silent operation, swap out the psu. It's much louder than the fans you save with the fanless option.

[@letterspace1letterspace266]

Where did you order it from???

[@omegacsblog]

@@letterspace1letterspace266 That's what I've been trying to figure out... and price...

[@MrMoonsilver]

@@letterspace1letterspace266 you mean the psu or the router?

[@Daniel15au]

You didn't mention one of the features, but I guess it's obvious from just looking at it. It's not a full-depth rack mount server; it's relatively shallow, so it'll fit into shallow racks designed for networking equipment.

[@gowinfanless]

You are right,it not a full,but short deepth 19th rack.

[@computersales]

If it weren't for flash prices going up this would make a fun NAS as well.

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

The next video will be a fun NAS.

[@gowinfanless]

We are designing a new motherboard for that

[@ShayneGibbons]

Long Live PoE!!!

[@LackofFaithify]

Etched/covered/marked off labels usually indicates counterfeits or import/export illegalities. Though that example was exceptionally lackluster.

[@Mihai-Marian-Cenusa]

Hi! please be aware that there is a capacitor going away or at least off the footprint....just to the right of the emmc! greetings!

[@ThomasWhittaker]

Does it support AES NI for encryption

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

AES-NI yes, QAT no.

[@ThomasWhittaker]

Thanks for quick reply

[@SB-qm5wg]

I really like the direction GoWin is taking

[@gowinfanless]

Thank you ,we keep going!

[@matthewkramer8613]

With these types of devices, what is rhe practical use for this? Maybe a head unit for storage and combo networking appliance? Are these for custom firewall?

[@Daniel15au]

It'd make a great home server. I haven't seen anything better for the price (IIRC it's around $700 for the 25Gbps version). You could stick some 2.5 inch drives in it and make it a basic NAS. Run some VMs, Dockers, LXC containers, whatever.

[@pleappleappleap]

No QuickAssist? Boo!

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

If you saw QAT E-core CPU pricing you would understand. I did pass that along as an idea to GoWin though

[@gowinfanless]

We have take then C5000 and P5000 in mind for sure,thank you@@ServeTheHomeVideo

[@EFazy]

So overall: this system looks great, I would like to have two of them... (don't really care about sound) however... this "fanless" and not fanless, also rackmount, but cant be assembled anywhere... the two things which they advertise is just not really available as usuall... As you mentioned, if you put a smaller PSU (or two) maybe you can workaround this, but it depends on the PoE side too (if it support Poe++, then possibly the PSU has to be able to offer 100W of power just out from the PoE port.

[@gowinfanless]

In this model,we will use PoE+ in the next batch,and we plan to replace the PSU to keep it quiet.

[@Miguemely101]

I wonder...with the fanless...could you use a picoPSU?

[@gowinfanless]

We don't prefer a Pico PSU for safety reason

[@Miguemely101]

@@gowinfanless Hey David! Nice to run into you -(Miguel @ Globius) Gotcha. Too much in terms of power or just reliability at that point?