I'm sure others have already posted - but a possible reason why the USB 2.0 RF dongle and the USB 3.0 flash drive didn't work together is that USB 3.0 connectors can give off a LOT of RF in the 2.4GHz range that can take out a lot of RF keyboard dongles if they are too close to a USB 3.0 port running at USB 3.0 speeds. I have a small USB 2.0 extender cable to move the dongle away from the port for just this scenario.
@ServeTheHomeVideo7 ай бұрын
Totally correct. Have a great weekend!
@adiadiadii2 ай бұрын
Yes, there is a paper from Intel about it
@kilo.sierraАй бұрын
Today I learned ^
@lost4468yt10 күн бұрын
Is this a result of it being a Chinese system that presumably hasn't passed Western RF standards? Because doesn't this completely violate them if it's interfering with other devices?
@stevenmishos7 ай бұрын
One thing I'd like to see covered is how well these small companies manage firmware updates over time. I really liked Intel NUCs for small homelab devices because Intel did a good job keeping BIOS updated as vulnerabilities were discovered.
@TheRealMrGuvernment7 ай бұрын
Same. So many of these fly by night companies selling small boxes like this with left over parts from makers. My other main concern is, any spyware chips in these systems? Has anyone done a proper port mirror to monitor traffic going out of these devices, outside of the OS....
@2dfx7 ай бұрын
I'll tell you and save you the trouble. They're about as solid as D-Link. Meaning, the product will be obsolete and dropped from support before it's even released.
@EvilDaveCanada7 ай бұрын
Anyone know how ASUS is going to support the NUC series now that they bought it from Intel?
@ChrisWijtmans7 ай бұрын
they could be a target for gnu boot. But i want to avoid these since they are intel based. I am looking for something like this based on AMD or even ARM based. Althought a router only needs 2 ethernet ports. Which can be extended with a switch. thats all i need currently and i havent found it yet.
@peterboil40647 ай бұрын
GNU Boot doesn't even really exist... @@ChrisWijtmans
@craftkiller96277 ай бұрын
TWO DAYS AGO I bought one of the fanless boxes you reviewed last year, and NOW you show me this absolute beauty?!?!
@DigitalIndependent7 ай бұрын
This happens with everything… we‘ll have to get used to it
@massimo79mmm7 ай бұрын
i think this thing is even older than yours...
@thatguyinabeanie7 ай бұрын
return it
@xephael348521 күн бұрын
@@DigitalIndependent luckly they didn't just get married .... lol
@UpcraftConsulting7 ай бұрын
If you want 1u rackmount I suggest sending them a message. I have bought customized Qotom devices with 1u cases for small upcharges before. They are usually very open to case customization. If you order in larger quantities they would even silkscreen your own logo on the box as they offer ODM services for an upcharge. (Quantity required wasn't even that large, like 6)
@Kendal19997 ай бұрын
How much have you paid for custom 1U? Want to know if it worth few extra bucks to get it
@UpcraftConsulting7 ай бұрын
@Kendal1999 $50 is typical. Includes a new fixed / internal power supply.
@Kendal19997 ай бұрын
@UpcraftConsulting holy that's a good dead imo.
@Darkk69697 ай бұрын
@@UpcraftConsulting That is very appealing! Will have to check it out.
@pinkowl97527 ай бұрын
The AliExpress reseller just uploaded your video to their product page, lol.
@naps1saps6 ай бұрын
I've seen this with other products but is usually an embed youtube vid so not technically stealing?
@NetITGeeks4 ай бұрын
@@naps1saps In AliExpress situation here, they actually downloaded this video and uploaded to their own servers. Hence, they are stealing content. LOL
@trisymphony7 ай бұрын
This feature set screams "make me into a 1U server with 4 hotswap bays connected over the SFF 8087". I would love to buy that as a NAS/homelab box.
@webluke7 ай бұрын
So much of the Chinese network gear is so close to being super useful but falls short of being useful without something extra. Even Western name brands always seem to compromise on dumb things that wouldn't have increased the cost by much but lost sales because of it.
@hypercube337 ай бұрын
100% would buy this right now if it came in a stubby 1U short box.
@mito-pb8qg7 ай бұрын
@@webluke They wouldn't cannibalize sales of their outrageously overpriced enterprise level gear like that, which DOES have those features.
@philipslighting82407 ай бұрын
Buy it then.
@thisisreallyme31307 ай бұрын
If you ditch the case, it might fit inside a 1U enclosure, or worst case onto a 1U shelf. The case can't be doing too much heatsinking, since the top is where the fins are and there's just air under them..
@billhgong7 ай бұрын
The mouse keyboard dongle and USB drive issue just can’t be resolved since USB 3.0 will interfere with 2.4GHz signals. At such close range EMI shielding won’t work either so it’s not a design flaw for this particular product. If you use an extension cable for the dongle it should resolve the issue. Also the SSD is covered in epoxy or sealant is most likely to make it environment-proof instead of for security reasons. The slot below two m.2 2280 slots is a m.2 3042 slot and is wired for WWAN (when considering the SIM slot is next to it, and of course the majority of m.2 WWAN cards are in 3042 size unlike WLAN cards at 2230 size).
@moomah59297 ай бұрын
He could trying using an USB extension cable to move the dongle away from the USB3 port and stick. I did this with some of my dongles. Btw, still funny how many people leave bad reviews for wireless 2.4GHz devices simply because they don't know about this USB3 design flaw.
@zyeborm7 ай бұрын
Yeah you need an extension cable to get them to work half the time
@billhgong7 ай бұрын
@@moomah5929 That's right, they're supposed to blame Intel and USB-IF 😏
@eveningstarnm31075 ай бұрын
An SSD in a security device from China sealed in epoxy... I'm sure there's nothing to worry about, right?
@djole027 ай бұрын
@8:30 That's a M.2 B-key slot for 4G/5G WWAN cards. You can even clearly see the connections to the SIM card slot. edit: It's really great to see that you get this slot on this PC as it can offer quite inexpensive WAN redundancy.
@TayschrennSedai7 ай бұрын
That was my first thought, drop a 5G antenna onto it and profit. Not sure off hand what OS supports that OOB but it's a unique feature.
@feedmytv7 ай бұрын
@@TayschrennSedai I think it's used more as primary connection and not OOB. Like POS equipment. The only LTE OOB I ever saw in action was in DC colocation
@TayschrennSedai7 ай бұрын
@@feedmytv I actually was thinking for a failover connection. By oob I meant I don't know what OS supports LTE connections out of box, not out of band haha
@anthonygreen777 ай бұрын
Can the wireless card be used as a redundant WAN link if your fixed ISP is down? Any info on how to set this up in pfsense? Also any idea on how much the wireless WAN cards cost?
@gearboxworks7 ай бұрын
@@TayschrennSedai- And that is a great example of why people using initialisms all the time can be so infuriating. #justsaying 🙂
@marcogenovesi85707 ай бұрын
These chinese industrial-ish things are on a roll. I remember a year ago when it was hard to get even a multiple eth mini PC and now boom it slices it dices it washes the dishes
@waifulhu98987 ай бұрын
you always manage to post a video about the exact device i need at the exact time i'm looking for it lmao
@ServeTheHomeVideo7 ай бұрын
Welcome to STH! :-) Happy new year!
@randomlegodev7 ай бұрын
this might just be the overpowered router I've been looking for, awesome video :)
@ServeTheHomeVideo7 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@NonyaDamnbusiness7 ай бұрын
Dammit, Patrick! I already replaced my old 1GB Protectli firewall running baremetal Arista/Untangle with a CWWK N305 4-port 2n5GB firewall and virtualized OPNsense on it passing thru WAN/LAN NICs and installing HAOS as a VM and moved all my docker stuff over to an LXC running Docker (~20 containers) and now this shows up. Oh well, at 7% CPU utilization and only using 48% of the 32GB RAM I have installed it I think I'm good to go for a while. it did replace a separate firewall and Proxmox server so at least overall power consumption is down. And I did add a Zigbee USB stick to it and it's slowly replacing the Philips Hue-based lighting systems I have with cheaper options that don't require me to have a "cloud account" with Philips.
@ServeTheHomeVideo7 ай бұрын
Cool box! You are right the challenge is often on memory capacity not CPU performance.
@djsmeguk7 ай бұрын
Rhis looks like a possibility to replace both a 12 year old homelab server and a newer but still old qotom netbox. The 2.5 and 10g combo looks amazing and replacing the old server HDD setup with something more portable would be a nice upgrade.
@PeterZin7 ай бұрын
I spotted this thing on Aliexpress a couple of months ago. Such a sweet connectivity hub. It would make a nice 10gbe router/firewall to pair with wifi 7 AP later down the road this year.
@keylanoslokj180622 күн бұрын
Why would you combine those devices? (New person to networking here)
@saxxonpike7 ай бұрын
This is absolutely nutty for the price point.
@ServeTheHomeVideo7 ай бұрын
Exactly
@RyanGrange6 ай бұрын
I have an older QOTOM model with dual 1Gb eth, a J1900 cpu, 4GB RAM, and 60GB EMMC storage. It's served me faithfully as a pfSense firewall/router for many years now.
@BenX2567 ай бұрын
Thank you! I've been looking everywhere for something that checks all the boxes for a new proxmox/router unit for my homelab, I think this blows my requirements out of the water and gives me room to grow. this is probably it!
@ralf3917 ай бұрын
2024: The desk has hit rock bottom. Frohes und Gesundes, STH!
@ServeTheHomeVideo7 ай бұрын
Happy new year!
@CrimsonDemonKyo7 ай бұрын
I have been looking at this alot and I have found that the spot you were thinking was for a Wifi card is a M.2 B Keyed 3042/3052 slot this is commonly used for 3G,4G,5G Celluar Card. Wifi cards use M.2 A+E or M.2 E keyed slots. I was not able to find a good way to use wifi in this without some type of adapter card.
@kantei_ka7 ай бұрын
I got this a week back. I paid 232$ for the PC. 50$ for shipping and around 60$ more on customs. The processor is CS3758R with 8GB RAM and 128 GB SSD. I'm running pfsemse and it's running fine. Also, I tested that all the SFP+ ports and the RJ45 ports are running fine thlugh I didn't get enough time to benchmark or stress test the unit.
@rabidturtles3596 ай бұрын
@kantei_ka Would you be able to tell me if the controller driving the 8087 port is SAS compatible? I would like to use my SAS drives on this unit.
@user-jt6sn7yu1d5 ай бұрын
Did you use a sfp+ to rj45 module at all? If so can you recommend one that works.. thanks
@stevenwheelwright5727 ай бұрын
the coral edge TPU has a m.2 E key form factor that would work with that empty WiFi slot. you could then run an NVR with object detection very easily with frigate
@ShadVonHass7 ай бұрын
Does it get assisted at all by the usual iGPU or would the coral do it all?
@concinnus7 ай бұрын
@@ShadVonHass The C series CPUs don't have an iGPU.
@theglowcloud22157 ай бұрын
"very easily" lol there's nothing easy about configuring Frigate with object detection when it comes to most off-the-shelf cameras
@j671607 ай бұрын
Frigate thinks my wall is actually a human
@nestorkropotkin89527 ай бұрын
Really glad I am still early on in my Home Server project. Still might keep my NGFW separated from my NAS/Home Server but this might just pull me back into the All In One plan again. The nice thing about 'passive' cooling is that adding active cooling to it is not hard. :D
@Elristan5 ай бұрын
Oooooooh these are SO GOOD. Thankful I stumbled on this video, I nearly bought parts to build a node with half the cores, none of the high speed NICs and only 4 to 6 SATA ports... Supposedly woulda been more power efficient though, but marginally... And the whole thing would have been more expensive than this (excluding DAS enclosure). Thanks !
@ServeTheHomeVideo5 ай бұрын
It was a crazy find.
@NatesRandomVideo7 ай бұрын
STH starting the year off with a bang. Cheers!
@ServeTheHomeVideo7 ай бұрын
This month is going to be bonkers now that the new studio is taking shape
@drtbantha7 ай бұрын
Would love to see this with a newer processor - either a more powerful one or a more power efficient one. As it stands, there doesn’t seem to be a compelling reason to replace my trusty Lenovo SFF with i7-4770.
@PaulSpades7 ай бұрын
You don't want power, you want speed. The storage and network interfaces on this little thing are an order of magnitude faster than what that (pre?)skylake system can push trough its busses. If you keep all of your working dataset in ram, that doesn't matter, but if you don't...
@BrandonPeccoralo7 ай бұрын
1000% correct. this unit is cheap because of all the networking problems with this intel cpus
@gearboxworks7 ай бұрын
I kept expecting Patrick to complain about "the lack of USB ports." 😂 I really wish it had at least an option for IPMI or equivalent; that is high up my list of preferences for on any server. Lastly, having an HDMI port or mini-HDMI port would be nice given how many monitors these days no longer have VGA ports. OTHER THAN THAT, seems like a really awesome find, especially with the Atom C3xxx processor.
@cmuller14417 ай бұрын
The DAS provides little for the price. Just use a sff8087 to 4*SATA cable, put your 4 disks in an old PC case with a PSU and with a bridge on the MB power cable to keep it on. You'll probably want to connect the 2 cases together to keep a clean ground (the old PC case is grounded but the mini-pc is powered by a floating PSU). Cost $10 plus stuff you already own instead of $300...
@pbrigham7 ай бұрын
Oh boy, what a Pfsense killer, just love it.
@ServeTheHomeVideo7 ай бұрын
Also OPNsense
@tommybronze34517 ай бұрын
So comparing it's CPU Atom C3758 (8 cores) - cpu mark score 4614 Netgate 6100 CPU Atmo C3558 (4 cores) - cpu mark score 2417 Not a massive performance boost, but damn it's a great alternative for failover router alternative to netgate products ! An yes I doo agree that this one do actually take the cake in terms of connectivity & extendibility @ low power package. Wait ... I've just realised, this could work as both my failover firewall and failover web server ... where's my credit card ?! THANKS PATRIC for so far the best late Christmas / new year gift !
@Meowbay13 күн бұрын
Low power? These boxes pull an average of 24 Watt 24/7.
@tommybronze345113 күн бұрын
@@Meowbay and what exactly you expected with sas controller, 4x 10gbe and so on ? alternative is some 1U server that sucks 300W at idle from the wall :/
@omegatotal7 ай бұрын
need more of these in 1u super compact chassis AND 1u half width chassis that can run 2 side by side for HA
@dktol567 ай бұрын
In the vyos forums, there are reports of link problems with the X553 and the ixgbe driver in the 6.x kernels, but not the 5.x kernels. Seems that some sort of regression occurred in the in-tree ixgbe driver maintained by the Intel developers, but a forum poster troubleshooting the problem was able to get it to work by compiling the latest Intel out-of-tree source against the vyos kernel. Probably just a temporary fix until this gets sorted out. BTW, it doesn't affect pfsense and opnsense since they are bsd-based. I'm surprised that Patrick didn't run into this issue with the 10Gb SFP+ ports when testing proxmox and truenas scale, as they are both based on Debian 12 with a 6.x kernel. Maybe both are using the out-of-tree Intel driver in their custom kernels?
@blademan76717 ай бұрын
Amazing value: 4 x 10Gb SFP+, Dual dimm, nvme, 8 cores, fanless for ~$300. Dual SFP+ mellanox is $50 just by itself. I spent much more for my firewall/router. Maybe a perfect time to migrate from the Optiplex running Pfsense, to this box running OpnSense.
@diogosn7 ай бұрын
In addition is fanless, not having to clean internally is very good.
@jefferytse7 ай бұрын
That’s exactly what I’m thinking to do.
@ShadVonHass7 ай бұрын
pfsense optiplex user checking in. This is looking extremely tempting
@AustinMichael7 ай бұрын
@@ShadVonHass this is designed more for storage servers imo, not really routers. You can get much cheaper n95 or n100 boxes that will use much less power for a router.
@terminalvelocity48587 ай бұрын
@@AustinMichael True, but this is a great futureproof and those N series boxes might not do higher speed VPN connections very well because of the CPU. I wish I could find one of these exact boxes mentioned in the video, but without the SFP and a more powerful CPU like an i3/i5. Any suggestions anyone?
@profosist7 ай бұрын
The reason for the mouse and keyboard wireless not working is due to interference from the USB 3.0 flash drive.ive seen this with front panel on desktop too
@theaddies7 ай бұрын
Great video. What a cool device. Do you happen to have further information relating to specific ram this machine can accommodate. You mention ECC ram. I was wondering if you have any idea specifically which sticks.
@leoliu50177 ай бұрын
I bought 1 4 port 2.5g nic card, 1 8 port 2.5g hub, 1 4 port spf+ switch, buy a matx , modify switch fan, then realise this meet all my needs while cost 1/4-1/3 . It will consume less power and without fan noise😮
@dota2tournamentss7 ай бұрын
damn, finally something with good IO, but I would love to see it with n305 or something like i5 12600t
@jorper25267 ай бұрын
Look at the N305 PCIE lanes.. Simply not enough lanes to do something like this. 12600T.. I mean maybe it's possible.. But that is getting into some really extremely niche cases. Most of the devices like this one are ostensibly built for Edge/Industrial use. The only thing that will have perfect IO is one you build yourself, but it probably won't be in the form factor you want.
@ServeTheHomeVideo7 ай бұрын
This is 100% correct.
@dota2tournamentss7 ай бұрын
@@jorper2526 yes n305 is really bad if we look on pcie lanes
@Pit_stains7 ай бұрын
Very nice. As I write this, shipping is $42.04 regardless of build (on amazon). I might try this out to replace a super old desktop PC i've been running pfsense on. Thanks
@b4ttlemast0r7 ай бұрын
The features / IO are crazy, but the processor paired with it is pretty weak
@hellsing566667 ай бұрын
Seems really great for a home router/nas.
@MostlyPennyCat7 ай бұрын
The Kettop-Mi4125L5 has a J4125, meaning you get QuickSync too for Plex support.
@JoaquinVacas7 ай бұрын
While not having a iGPU is a bit of a tradeoff, having that much cores for SW encoding is something to be aware of. 👌
@MostlyPennyCat7 ай бұрын
There's a version with a Celeron J for quick sync support.
@KushariАй бұрын
Just bought this to be my router based on this video.
@adamsherman7 ай бұрын
So, can I run a pair of NVMe drives as well as a Coral TPU? Add a large SATA drive for non-redundant bulk video storage and this thing can run Frigate and a zillion other containers. Love it.
@sh0ckwaveVR67 ай бұрын
i have one since october ;) this thing is amazing!
@ServeTheHomeVideo7 ай бұрын
We have several folks in the STH forums with them as well.
@rabidturtles3596 ай бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideoDoes anyone have any info about the controller behind the SFF 8087 port? I would like to use it with my SAS drives I already have. Thanks!
@reneb52224 ай бұрын
I bought the 1U unit version with i226V nics with 64 GB memory. It also has fan and is looking great. There's one major issue with the unit intel x553 SFP+ ixgbe is a no go on Proxmox. No kernel driver in Debian.
@drescherjm7 ай бұрын
Looks fantastic for the price.
@headlibrarian19962 ай бұрын
This seems like it would make a good ceph storage cluster node, and they're cheap enough to make a five node cluster instead of the three node clusters you typically see with the MS-01.
@ServeTheHomeVideo2 ай бұрын
Yes
@thegeekno727 ай бұрын
What an unexpected (to me at least) review drop, I was wondering if this one would get in your hands, I ordered mine last week already, still waiting for the delivery so that'll be a treat to enjoy while I wait patiently ! EDIT : Hi patrick, did you mention the nanoSIM slot or did I miss it ? 🤔 Happy new year to you and the team !
@notreal53117 ай бұрын
Came to the comments to ask about the SIM card slot! Also the bookmarks talk about Proxmox and TrueNas at 14:48 but its just DAS talk - would have liked to see how it hndled running Proxmox etc. Think they did a little partying on NYE! Cheers!
@BrianThomas7 ай бұрын
I'm in the process of buying this as we speak. That's so odd that I stumbled across this video at the same time.
@andrewpiechocki90066 ай бұрын
Be happy - they are sold out everywhere now! haha
@BrianThomas6 ай бұрын
@@andrewpiechocki9006 right. I got mine. Get yours. 😊
@adamkonrad7 ай бұрын
This is really good and the price point is crazy!
@ViciousXUSMC7 ай бұрын
Seems amazing, I just dont knot if I can go back to a little box running an Atom after building PFSense using a R210ii and a Xeon running every package out there and watching it laugh at it. For 1gb this is probably absolutetly perfect, but for VPN and full packet inspection I think this would choke trying to handle more than that.
@JohnPMiller7 ай бұрын
I'm happy with my 4-port N5105 box, but this box will make a lot of people with faster connections happy.
@saiyantwan7 ай бұрын
Now we just need a rack mountable version of this. I know I could put it on a shelf but would just love to mount it. It also makes me a bit upset with the hunsn rackmount i bought about a year or so ago for my opnsense set up.
@ServeTheHomeVideo7 ай бұрын
We have 2-3 different 1U rackmounts that we are already working on the articles/ videos for. Probably later this month after we finish the MS-01 review.
@andrewpiechocki90066 ай бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Sadly those are all sold out except for the lowest end 2C/2T 4x1GB NICs with no SFP+.
@sayemprodhanananta1447 ай бұрын
No quick sync is a big hurdle for being in a homelab
@Tgspartnership7 ай бұрын
a great find Patrick!! thanks for testing this machine sounds like a little beauty.
@memadmax697 ай бұрын
Sweet. I'll take 10. Thanks.
@hmurchison81237 ай бұрын
This will be perfect to build my nextgen firewall.
@SB-qm5wg7 ай бұрын
$300 is fair for this. Good review. ty
@I4get427 ай бұрын
Hi Patrick! That looks really cool.
@floriantthebault5217 ай бұрын
Super vid, as usual ! I've been looking at the data sheet of Qotom, but I can't find the chipset used for the SFP+ NIC. I only see it's using the i225-V (1Gbit/s) and i226-V (2.5Gbit/s) for the RJ45 ports, but nothing about the SFP+. Would you know which NIC (and speed) are using the two SPF+ ports ?
@MuckingFedic7 ай бұрын
This amazing! Thank you!
@Traumatree7 ай бұрын
Nice, but I would trade the SPF+ for 10GE ports that can do 10,5,2.5 and 1Gbps instead. Fiber is nice, but when you can get 10GE from copper, that's the way to go and is much cheaper in the long run (and less headaches when issues arise to find whether it is the optical fiber, the SPF+ port or the SFP+ transceiver that has the issue (on both side!), whereas Ethernet ALWAYS works).
@sathivv9507 ай бұрын
Doesn't 10G ethernet consume a lot of power making it more expensive than fiber? My first experience with sfp+ and fiber from my install 2 years ago and I have to say I am a huge fan I don't think I will ever go back to ethernet. I like the metal sfp connector and I can run the really thin fiber around trim and baseboard and it is almost invisible. On the other hand I haven't had a problem yet so there is that...
@hokatichenci7 ай бұрын
That seems like a whole lot of I/O - what' the pci-e topology/architecture? Does it actually have enough lanes/speed to support all that?
@ServeTheHomeVideo7 ай бұрын
The C3758 has built in 10GbE NICs which is what makes it possible
@sathivv9507 ай бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I am realizing now reading this comment that this must be the important bit. Reading the comments from people lamenting that this was not an i3 or more powerful processor I went looking for a mini pc with an i3 or greater and could not find a single offering with sfp+ ports or 10G anything. And this has 4 of them plus the 2.5G ethernet ports. I think this is exactly what I need to upgrade my existing 10G switch connections into some proper vlans. Thank you.
@Caper_Crusader5 ай бұрын
Great review! Subbed
@gtoger7 ай бұрын
Very interesting. I've been looking for a device like this to run a small ESXi lab on that wouldn't scream away in the hall closet. I'm a little concerned the proc wouldn't hold up very well in that use but it otherwise looks nearly perfect.
@camaycama74797 ай бұрын
Not sure that CPU support virtualization ?
@Br4mVAL7 ай бұрын
@@camaycama7479 it does
@Darkk69697 ай бұрын
@@camaycama7479 It does. 12:17 in the video. VT-x is what you're looking for.
@@camaycama7479 He mentions in the video he ran Proxmox, as well as Windows and Linux
@vonzellable7 ай бұрын
The youtube gods deemed you worthy of my eyes.. Thanks for info and you now have a new sub and I Like (or dislike) every video I watch so I know I already watched it. :)
@ServeTheHomeVideo7 ай бұрын
Ha awesome
@danielstellmon53307 ай бұрын
Wait a second, I was not already subscribed?
@forbiddenera7 ай бұрын
Of course this shows up right after I went and upgraded my server
@kingneutron17 ай бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqPUf413frZ7arc :B
@azarelo7 ай бұрын
this seems like a dream O_O
@GreySectoid6 ай бұрын
It looks good, but then again my ITX form factor build Ryzen APU + 64 gigs ECC + 4 spinning disks draws 50-60 watts and cost about the same. However, I do see the appeal of this kind of left-field setup, more so if the power draw would be significantly less.
@MoraFermi7 ай бұрын
I think I saw a C6000 version of this motherboard somewhere on aliexpress.. I looked at it, saw this weird collection of networking ports and the "NAS motherboard" label and got so confused I passed on it.. Maybe I should go find it again. Edit: Oh wait no, this was exactly this board, with the -R cpu. Intel's part naming scheme can cause serious confusion.
@ServeTheHomeVideo7 ай бұрын
Even if it was a C5000 let me know
@elmariachi51337 ай бұрын
With this amount of Ethernet ports it should become a home router, using IPFire or whatever :)
@mb-electricalservices28 күн бұрын
I cannot imagine the amount of heat this thing will produce when all NIC's are in use and fully loaded.
@Obsidian0Knight7 ай бұрын
@5:20 as an unraid user I'll tell ya what, having your usb on the 2.0 port rather than the 3.0 port is a GOOD IDEA, because most drives don't draw as much power and this stay cooler and run more reliably on the usb 2 port!
@shubinternet6 ай бұрын
I'd love to see firewall benchmarks with this device compared to NetGate, etc....
@blender_wiki7 ай бұрын
Wow this is great, courious to see if he can really manage the 10GbE with Jumbo frames. Can you do a review on the AsRock Rack E3C256D4I-2T Mini-ITX Server motherboard?? Can be really nice
@TravelerNick7 ай бұрын
Yes please. Could you?
@justanotherearthling10626 ай бұрын
Love it. Want it. Can't afford it. :)
@axescar7 ай бұрын
Next generation chips (something like C6000) that will come after C5000 series with modern lithography theoretically can be 16 core (2 intel N300 on a single chip) with modern pci-e and DDR5 with low power consumption. This server is very cool, but chip is too old P.S. Surely some Epyc 3004 from AMD is welcomed %)
@axescar7 ай бұрын
@@wojtek-33 it is, but you will not use Xeon 26xx V2 for example for homelab. It can do everything, you can use dual socket board with up to 24 cores and a lot of cheap ddr3 memory and pci-e v3 connectivity. But the power consumption of it is slightly more then something from current gen platforms.
@leonwatertor66477 ай бұрын
Absolute great video i was looking if i could buy one unfortunately amazon does not ship this item to the netherlands and aliexpress has a huge markup for the same system plus 50 euro shipping. Anyway great video and keep up the good work
@echosnds6 ай бұрын
Has anyone found any documentation for the board layout. Looking for power on after power loss. Now that i alteady have the unit i read on the listing to request it before purchasing. A DIY firewall that doesn't support power recovery isnt very useful. I purchased the 1U version from Aliexpress.
@lvmeijer5 ай бұрын
Thanks for this information
@johnzirnkilton72367 ай бұрын
Finally!!! Ive been running an old dell R410 and the power consumption and not having hw accelerated encryption has been not fun.
@ServeTheHomeVideo7 ай бұрын
This is also a lot quieter.
@Petoj877 ай бұрын
If this had intel quicksync it would have been perfect
@ServeTheHomeVideo7 ай бұрын
Very fair.
@clausdk62997 ай бұрын
IM NOT KIDDING.. I WAS LOOING AT THIS A WEEK AGO.. and thought I might order it :D hahhaha!! can't wait to watch the review
@6581punk7 ай бұрын
It could be useful for some people. But I prefer to build computers and servers from commodity parts so that if someone breaks I can easily replace it.
@Really29506 ай бұрын
Great product
@kchiem7 ай бұрын
They should have made it using the N305 with quicksync, and an lsi sas2 controller with a proper sff-8088 port.
@Darkk69697 ай бұрын
Yes but it won't be under $300 which is what they were aiming at.
@BoraHorzaGobuchul6 ай бұрын
@@Darkk6969well maybe they should aim at functionality and see if it pays.
@stevekristoff43657 ай бұрын
nice little system but currently the price has pushed it to over $315 bare bones (ali express, but looks like it's still $282 on amazon); but also the C3758R is a very low performance chip even though it does have ECC which is a plus. but as a 10Gbit firewall (assuming you're doing more than just routing, like threat protection, etc) you really need a higher performance cpu. Even the Xeon D-1541 or better yet the newer D-1731NTE. Basically trying to find something with 10Gbit TP/IPS performance but small size/power.
@ServeTheHomeVideo7 ай бұрын
The C3758 was $286 on Ali when I hit publish this morning. The R was like $25 more
@geekinasuit83337 ай бұрын
There's no option to select a modern era processor that's up-to-date. I suppose it's OK for some folks, but with all the gear it comes with, the processor doesn't make much sense to me.
@concinnus7 ай бұрын
@@geekinasuit8333 Unfortunately, the obvious updated processor to use should be the C5000 series, but Intel scaled cost and power consumption evenly with C3000 so they're not viable. D-1731NTE has the same cost and power consumption issue -- not fanless viable. At least, not without a bigger case like the Supermicro E302. In general, if you can afford and have a 10G uplink, and want a processor 3x as expensive as the C3758, then you probably want a better, name-brand box anyway. The use case for the Qotom is 10G LAN and
@uzlonewolf7 ай бұрын
Does it have ECC support? The Amazon page is pretty clear about it not taking ECC memory.
@concinnus7 ай бұрын
@@uzlonewolf There's conflicting info. Some folks on the StH forums bought these boxes; I'd check their threads.
@SpelliZNX7 ай бұрын
The 6y old atom architecture is what kills this for me - anything that doesn't generously use QAT will be absolutely hamstrung by the Goldmont architecture that was already slow per core when it came out. Doesn't matter how many cores it has if a single core is slower than even a 10y older "Intel Core" core (SPECINT 2006). This kinda rules this otherwise very neat piece of kit out for most general purpose computing and virtualisation use cases.
@poofygoof7 ай бұрын
Leftover Denvertons must've been blown out of inventory at bargain-basement prices for these to show up now. IIRC these pre-date the Xeon-D branding, and were introduced in 2017. Not a replacement for my Jaketown server, but a way step-up from my current Pineview router / firewall.
@ServeTheHomeVideo7 ай бұрын
I was the first 3rd party to get a D-1540 so I remember Xeon D launched in Q1 2015. Those were fun days!!!
@poofygoof7 ай бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I stand corrected!
@BoraHorzaGobuchul6 ай бұрын
Wonder how their Q30912DS would work as a proxmox/truenas/opnsense combo box
@Qotom-Mini-pc5 ай бұрын
You can set it as Home Cloud Storage + advanced Router+ desktop computer. If wanna better performance, cpu i5-10210u and i7-10710u are optional.
@notreal53117 ай бұрын
Still waiting for the bit a out the Nano Sim Card slot thats coming later in the video! :V
@ServeTheHomeVideo7 ай бұрын
We talked about it more in the main site review We did not get to use it, but one of the slots is for a 4G/5G modem
@notreal53117 ай бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo ok sweet, I'll check the main site. Thanks for the reply!
@shmehfleh31157 ай бұрын
I'm guessing a video DAC is integrated onto this little enterprise-ish platform, which is why they went with VGA. Still, I wish they would've implemented HDMI instead. It's getting harder to find monitors with VGA support these days.
@ChrisWijtmans7 ай бұрын
display port would be better.
@confusedbeard697 ай бұрын
Maybe it this is the upgrade I've been waiting for. My i5-3330 pfsensebox is a tad old and uses a bit of power.
@SgtDeagle7 ай бұрын
yeah. 2.4ghz connection to mices or Keyboards dont like a usb 3.0 connection directly nearby, have the same issues since years with different devices
@rdcardex7 ай бұрын
Sweet! I was looking how to shrink my homelab budget, and this looks pretty darn awesome to achieve that goal. Thanks Patrick... have an awesome day.
@PhilippDurrer7 ай бұрын
Damn, I'm looking for something in this form factor that can truly route 4x10GbE RJ45, could you run iperf on that thing and let us know how well it does doing 10G?
@TheHalo2947 ай бұрын
Intel has a white paper about those USB 3 issues regarding 2.4GHz radio technology
@cameronm32847 ай бұрын
Look how neat it could be! *Pauses the video*
@brettpeckinpaugh3 ай бұрын
Great video, you talk about virtualization. What can this handle virtualizing? The process is not the beefiest. I recently got a NUC 13 and installed ESXI 8 and I am pretty happy with how many machines I can run on it. I also have a server running a few quests and docker containers, so curious what this little box could do for me besides just being a router/firewall. Currently my server is the NAS as it needs direct connect between a quest and the NAS storage drives.