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Harley-Davidson Motor Co Group LLC has been hit with a federal lawsuit in California and another in Wisconsin alleging the U.S. motorcycle maker forced bike owners to pay inflated prices for repairs by limiting where and how they could get their vehicles serviced.
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[@delanorrosey4730]

Another lawsuit HD is facing: selling racing exhausts and loud pipes to HD owners, making the bikes illegally and unreasonably loud in residential areas.

[@pb68slab18]

I've been a Harley owner and rider for over 40yrs. I couldn't care less if the company shuts down. Warranty??? My newest Harley is 25yrs old. My oldest is 80yrs old. They all run great! I can repair or totally rebuild them nut by bolt. I can't buy anything for any of them at a dealership. Can't even get 50 or 60wt oil anymore! 🤬 I can buy any part I need from the aftermarket via the internet at a fair price and higher quality than original HD parts. 😁

[@TheWolfsnack]

Agreed....I have a93 and a 96 Evo.....no need for the new unreliabel crap Harley has been forced to manufacture.

[@dominicbenecasa7893]

I had a small shop until 99 when the twin cam came out I was done with Harley’s BS and the “new riders” BS. My last Sturgis trip was ‘95 I was sick of the “fashion show”. I still ride my pan/evo powered 85 soft tail.

[@bokarlsson1027]

correct👌 I own a panhead and shovelhead..many parts from them fits together...can even by parts fr swap-meets..or asian but needs to fix often. I live Sweden. we can send part to Polen to restore chrome.. I drive my amf Harley since 42 years..My frienda buy new ones they also have some problems..but you cant work with them...Computers and and lots of strange electrics. I dont need The Company..

[@semperfipar1299]

You do know multi-viscosity oils are superior to 50 and 60 weight oil? All of your bikes will run on 10W30 or 10W40 without a problem. If your air-cooled lawn mower can run full open for an hour or two with no air flowing over the cooling fins with 10W30 then your motorcycle should have no problem.

[@raceboy1971]

You can buy 50 weight oil at Walmart.

[@californiapoontappa]

This is what happens when you price your bikes to where only lawyers can own them

[@ridemfast7625]

Many large bikes are very expensive. Look at KTM 1290 Adventure, BMW 1250 GS, Honda, Indian... This is why buying used works for me.

[@californiapoontappa]

@@ridemfast7625 ktm only 18 Grand which is less than HD baseline on the he cheapest bike

[@ridemfast7625]

@@californiapoontappa Its $20k here WITHOUT the $1,000 software update to enable the suspension and other features. Then theirs taxes and dealer prep. My quote from the dealer out the door was $23,921. Your $18k for new OTD is fake news...

[@californiapoontappa]

@@ridemfast7625 I'm not giving otd prices on either brand

[@californiapoontappa]

@@ridemfast7625 why do you care so much

[@lionelborges8094]

Lionel here in central California. Funny, most of the motorcycles in the video are not Harley Davidsons. Here's what I don't get. If you put an after market part on your Harley Davidson, how are they going to warranty the part when it's not theirs, and may not be of as good quality. Since when do you warranty other companies parts? Isn't it EPA in that is not letting Harley use said tuners? Just saying...

[@grayghost1423]

Yep

[@WillyNilly4U]

The very reason why I won't buy a new bike.

[@nickjoseph3436]

Im 15year Technician at the same HarleyDavidson dealership , we install aftermarket parts dragspeclties , tucker . We warranty our work for a year and some acception by miles for the weekend warriors and still guarantee the factory warranty aslong as it's in our hands , now sometimes they send a representative to check out the problem in person then depending on what wrong and what after market parts or on and if they caused the issue at hand . Ther ar a lot hacks out ther and so as a flat rate technician not everthing going to covered by warranty If your that type customer you will never get any technician your bike will handled by many technician instead of one technician that will produce good work , honest and knowing you and your bike is a good thing .

[@msolydark]

But this is great for consumers. Finally some competitive pricing on repairs and upgrades that won't void the warranty.

[@Snake.br549]

Harley-Davidson credit ripped me off said I was late on one payment which I never was but I went ahead and made that payment up they kept saying I was two payments behind when one wasn't even due then started charging me repossession fees when they never touched the bike I finally let the bastards have it back but I hid it out for as long as I could ! I'll never buy another bike from them

[@heronblue3577]

John Deere were hit first with the "right to repair" and now Harley. It`s about damn time.

[@CaptainJacksIsland]

There used to be this concept in America called "freedom". Under such a concept, Harley would be free to make whatever contracts they wanted and customers would be free to not sign them and get a different bike. But yeah, let's run to Daddy Government for everything, just so we don't have to be informed consumers, and worry about where that leads to later.

[@brendanhayward1803]

Don't have that issue here in AUS your new bike / car warranty is not affected as long as it's a qualified mechanic doing the job.

[@davebevin]

Meh, where I live, consumer law overrides warranty’s.

[@RulgertGhostalker]

a lot of that is EPA compliance...if someone renders their bike Non-EPA complaint, then H-D can't be part of that .... and some of those mods do affect other things..

[@u.s.aarchangelforgod3679]

Love Harleys but they need to stop ripping off the people even there parts are outrageous etc

[@frankromero4048]

Question ❓. Who would you like to work on your bike... A kid fresh out of motorcycle repair school... Or a mechanic with 20 years of experience..??? No mechanic worth his salt... Would work for a Harley Davidson Dealer..!

[@tomrodgers6629]

Yet another reason to buy used and do not worry about a warranty. It is part of being a biker is to fix and/or upgrade your bike yourself " Warranty? We need no stinkin warranty!"

[@joemetro352]

People buy new bikes put 2000 miles on and sell. I would NEVER buy a new bike unless I hit the lottery

[@BfromMtz]

Tail light warranty is all i ever had, soon as the seller sees the tail light, warranty is over.

[@mickryan2450]

Hd has been out of control 4 years reelem back in ffs

[@ROLLIN-DUB]

@@joemetro352 because how much they cost?

[@tomrodgers6629]

@@ROLLIN-DUB That is why you are better off buying used. Let some other sucker piss away their money and be underwater the moment they leave the lot. Heck, In a couple of years you can pick that guys bike up for a reasonable price.

[@IUSTITA]

Harley Davidson. Yesterday's technology at tomorrow's prices.

[@loboblanco4426]

🙄

[@marka1712]

Spoken like a person who’s never owned or ridden a Harley. Enjoy your moped

[@IUSTITA]

@@marka1712 I've had several Harleys and Buells.

[@marka1712]

@@IUSTITA I’ve ridden many Japanese sport bikes and cruisers, the sport bikes are amazing but the cruisers just don’t have the same feel. The way a Harley sounds, the finish of the materials from the tins to the chrome is better, the feel riding down the road is just different and better. I would gladly pay double for a Harley over a Honda, Yamaha or Suzuki every single day. Do you agree or disagree? Seriously wanna know and not trying to argue.

[@marka1712]

@@IUSTITA also I apologize for assuming you hadn’t ridden a Harley. Almost every person I know that puts Harley down has never owned one and almost never even ridden one either. Sportsters don’t count by the way lol

[@olivertaylor8788]

I'll just keep my old goldwing.tryed one Harley, couldn't give me another one of those leaking bikes.

[@skitzdaniel3314]

Harley's solution to this would be to making a reliable engine again, like the EVO was. Then Harley Head Office does not have to worry about people buying after market parts for repair. But as the story roomered goes. When the EVO engine was being manufactured, dealers were complaining about lack of repairs and they could not make money. Here comes the Twin Cam with it's compensator issues, and the cam chain followers. Harley ought to learn something from the Japanese motorcycle manufacturers. Reliability, reliability, reliability. I sure know a lot of Metric crusier retailers that have been doing just fine without all the repairs for their reliable machines. So Harley, what gives? Why do you build defects into your motorcycles? I have had 9 metric motorcycles in my 72 year life. I have had two Harleys recently as an end of life bucket list. But in all my years of metric bike riding, never have I had mechanical failure points constantly on my mind, as I do when riding my Harley. Component failure is a reality with Harley, even after making motorcycles for a hundred years. I see plenty of videos of Harley die hards that love working on the failures of their Harleys almost like a religion. I am sorry. I would rather be riding my motorcycle than repairing it. And I want to know that I am safe riding it.

[@omarsalgado9715]

Drama queen. I have two Harleys, a 2007 Sportster and a 2005 Softail, and they run pretty fine, with more than 80,000 km each. No issues. What I've observed from others is lack of maintenance when mechanical issues arise, and by that I mean real lack of maintenance, like no oil change even after 20,000 km or past five years. Really? And I think the idea that a Harley is an indestructible machine is deeply ingrained in those owners, which aren't a few. So things happen and they blame poor quality and no reliability of the machine. I've seen it directly too many times. And I've seen few Sportster, which are well and properly maintained, that surpass the 250,000 km with no top or bottom end service at all ever. So, yeah, I've seen too many drama queens too.

[@davidchereneimmel8820]

Hmmm I have a (Twin Cam 88) 06 Road King. Just turned 70k this summer. No problems, I did just this summer replaced the compensator just started making a little noise. And a couple of years ago did the cam chain tensioner upgrade, just for peace of mind. Has never left me stranded. And has been a wonderful bike. I have rode bikes for over 40 years and the best bike I have owned.

[@chrisloesch1870]

Bs. I have a 22 year old twin cam which runs just fine.

[@davidchereneimmel8820]

@@jonathanrichard1919 old Triumph are just Britt Harleys, that's what most of us oldies use to say Back in the day. And HD has no more reliability issues then any other manufacturer, I have owned almost every manufacturer, for sure all the big ones and they all have good and bad. You just pick a brand and learn them, same with cars and trucks.

[@davidchereneimmel8820]

@@jonathanrichard1919 True, yes I know they were much lighter , one of the reasons they were so loved. I just ment we seen them on the same field, along with the old Nortons and BSAs. Carry on Brother

[@goochma]

I miss the old days when you could walk in a Harley dealership, and they would have a whole selection of upgrade exhausts, cams, air breathers and so on which they would gladly install no questions asked.

[@harley9058]

This stupid rule of Harley Davidson has been an issue for the longest time the first Harley I bought back in 1992 was the same problem I would buy after making exhausts or cams air cleaners and first words out of the dealership was, well you can do that but.... if something goes wrong with your bike you will void your warranty, and this was back in 1992 I've heard the same thing back then for older Harley's so as far as the old days? How far are you talking? 70's?

[@toddricketts9498]

Thanks to our government that's not possible now, and it sucks

[@darkiee69]

There's no room for that with all the merch they have.

[@SGTJDerek]

I miss the days you could walk onto ANY Dealership and get exactly what you want without being required to pay thousands for a "package". Just for that particular option.

[@codymarshall7364]

Agreed bought a 2006 dyna yesterday and they kept pushing the financing program..nah dude I got cash

[@thespeedyviking9682]

I’m surprised that there’s nothing illegal about selling bikes with a whole pile of defective and poorly engineered parts while at the same time offering the “upgraded” parts that fix the issues in the screachin seagul catalog at a premium. Harley is the only company in the world that I know of that does this. “Oh, ya those oil pumps were garbage during testing that’s why we already have this catalog made with decent parts listed in it. Here, we sell ones that don’t explode for $600 plus install. Would you be interested in that?”

[@theodoreberbach9562]

and Harley wondering why their customer base is shrinking. While the Japanese were offering a wide range of bike with affordable price and legendary reliability, and the Europeans are offering high end bikes with exceptional performance, magnificent looks with better reliability now, Harley is here giving us BS.

[@thespeedyviking9682]

@@flashfyre That's what the video was about, I was making a separate point.

[@theretiredplayr1483]

I bought a 21 sportster s and have "owned" it for 11 months but it's been in the shop for a bunch of issues for 6 of it.

[@pb68slab18]

Motorcycles were always considered 'toys' or recreational vehicles, not viable transportation vehicles. I don't think they had any real warranties back in the day either.

[@pb68slab18]

@@theodoreberbach9562 The Harley 'legend' has been losing more and more of it's allure with every generation. The seduction of a 200mph Oriental or Italian street rocket is far more appealing to todays Gen-Xers. OTOH, most of them can't halde them or have open roads to wring them out on, and are splattering themselves in growing numbers.

[@Prometheus1979]

I’ve owned 2 new Harley’s. As soon as i bought them I started modding them. Their warranty was a joke to me.

[@owenbruce4120]

😂😂 don't mind a laugh me self...no H dealership probs here 👍👍

[@rapmeister1000]

I don't see how this effects all motorcycle owners. I've owned every brand but a Harley in my 48 yrs of riding, and always repaired my own.

[@xnihilo64]

You're right, Doc. What happened to learning to work on your own bike?

[@rapmeister1000]

@@xnihilo64 manufacturers have gotten greedy, and we have a generation of tech heads who have no mechanical skills.

[@matrix1171]

That is a skill that has gone the way of the dodo (working on your own ride)kids these days are mostly not into getting greasy dirty or anything of the sort and it’s not a video game . My two cents :)

[@mcross320]

I had ONE Harley 50 years ago, broke twice 1st 1,000 miles , lucky to dump it for only 10% loss. Had 100 more motorcycles since then.

[@BJonesOkie]

@@mcross320 you compared a shovelhead to modern tech and metals? I feel sorry for some people.

[@Sunbear415]

I love their bikes, but HATE their dealerships, prices, and arrogance. I’ve owned four of them.

[@faraon2012]

HD is Corporation, i say money, money. Dont'n care abaut people.

[@stevebigansky9372]

I've got a great solution to this mess - Stop buying these under ENGINEERED over priced unreliable piles of junk like they've been building since their inception- I've got a sheriff's Deputy friend of mine who bought a brand new Road King 20 years ago, left it completely stock, got it routinely serviced as required, and broke down twice trying to make a simple trip from LA to Sturgis- first a stator LITERALLY caught fire, melting down the wiring harness, and having to leave it at the HD dealership in Vegas for repairs, and then having to RENT another bike from Eagle Rider, then the following year, tried again to make the trip to Sturgis, THIS TIME having a complete transmission failure, again having to rent another bike to finish his 2nd nightmarish trip to Sturgis - And this was a bike with less than 20,000 miles on it - JOKE!! so he finally gave up, went to a HONDA dealer and bought a brand new VTX 1800- he's got over 45,000 miles on it with no issues whatsoever- it's never (and never will) broken down, left him stranded in the middle of the fucking Las Vegas desert and he's made 4 more uneventful trips to Sturgis since then- Nothing but tires, brake pads and oil changes- WHAT WARRANTY?? and it was HALF the price of that pile of shit that they DARE to call a "Motorcycle" -And they wonder why their SALES are down 30% world wide-

[@jaysullivan7620]

In my experience this is a dealer by dealer issue. Some shops would enforce the OEM rule and some would make sound decisions as outlined in the video. Hats off to those dealerships and service departments that have been judging each case on its merits this whole time!

[@user-KrackerJack]

screw Harley Davidson I got rid of mine for a Honda

[@TheDFM007]

I purchased a new muscle car and the extended warranty & factory warranty specifically state any modifications to air breathers, exhaust, ecu / chip, etc will VOID any and all warranty work. I drove into the service lane and you could hear & feel the exhaust rumbling from the showroom. The service advisor looked at me and said "Is this modified?!?!" I replied "No" we both laughed. they still fixed my car under warranty and complimented me on my upgrades.

[@dockerandy]

People slagging off warrantys on new bikes need to back off ! most manufacturers warrantys do the job its intended to do. BMW Motorrad warranty is awesome ! the point is HD needs to reigned in so they cover what everyone covers on their machines. the problem is they don't want to, its basically an admission that they KNOW they have terrible reliability issues, they simply won't admit it. Sure they look pretty, but it aint gonna make it enjoyable to ride if it doesn't work and you're constantly having to fix it. so, if you want reliable, buy european or japanese, problem solved, HD's problem will be sales.

[@brucecamerer4997]

This should be interesting to see how Harley Davidson's infamous "Black List" is affected!! Here in Southern Minnesota most of the Non Harley sponsored repair shops can't get OEM parts from dealers merely because they provided a better service at cheaper prices! This screams monopoly to me. It's gotten so bad, the local dealership shut down their HOG chapter for "Unspecified Reasons".

[@danielbear8234]

This sounds like more socialism b.s..

[@pb68slab18]

@@danielbear8234 You think that's bad, back in the 90's Harley was sending 'spys' out to independent shops before sending out lawyers if they had so much as a factory logo, parts, or colors black & orange on the business premises. They were even going after tattoo shops if they had any trademarked logo flash hanging up. They shut down loyal old dealerships who did not conform to the new corporate Yuppie Boutique floor plans.

[@mathewkendell9056]

Post a list of the Indy shops providing better service at cheaper prices who have been “blacklisted”. They deserve recognition and a round of applause. Personally I would specifically support any Indy shop being “blacklisted” by HD for the fact that I know that warranty refusal or denial based on repairs or service not being performed by the manufacturer dealer is not only unethical but also a shady practice.

[@jerrykinnin7941]

My uncle Howard is a biker. I asked him why he rode everything but Harley. He said Harley for show Metric for go. And that was 40 yrs ago. The best bikes are built not bought. That's my opinion.

[@brentsimpson6592]

Hmmm our local Harley shop used to give you ten bucks on your birthday but there is nothing in the shop for ten bucks won't go far toward a new or second hand Harley or a spare part.maybe with a lotto win I'd buy one but I've had a Yamaha brought new in2014 only money spent is petrol and oil changes.gangs love them and many older riders but unless you are rich you wouldn't take them in to a dealer for a service. Some or thousands love them.

[@californiadreaming9216]

Jerry Kinnin "biker" is a very vague word. do you mean that your uncle Howard is a motorcycle owner or do you mean that he is a club member?

[@jerrykinnin7941]

@@californiadreaming9216 I mean he's always rode motorcycles. But I never knew of him in a club. He's a retired Union electrician that built power plants Can fix anything. Drive everything. He's pushing 80 now. And when I was a kid Him and Aunt Portia rode from Phoenix to Marion KY on a Kawasaki dresser In December to be home for Christmas.

[@themothership7614]

I had to sue them and i won i was lucky because my attorney got mad on the way they treated us and he stuck with it and beat them in the end

[@esco75]

Why did you sue them?

[@POPPASHANGO]

But HD's entire business plan is to sell a sub-standard product and then drag you over to the parts counter so you can spend tons of money on Stages....My Raider came off the assembly line equivalent to stage 4. My Iron 883 has no "upgrades" because there is no way I am going to throw any more chingo towards a bike that is almost what I wanted. HD needs a reboot and a new business plan. Start selling bikes that roll out of the dealership without needing upgrades.

[@geordiegeorge9041]

Only in the US. In the EU you can take your vehicle to the shop you trust, without it affecting your guarantee.

[@janarnold5569]

Well.... more or less. And especially the quality of those great German cars such as Mercedes Benz, BMW, Audi or VW went down like the German fleet back in the day.

[@geraldscott4302]

I own three Harley Davidson motorcycles. ALL were bought USED. The newest is a 2006. No warranties to worry about. No EFI tuners either, as mine are all CARBURETED. But anybody who chooses to buy an EFI bike, and I certainly don't recommend it (All H-D Sportsters and full sized bikes through the end of the Twin Cam era can be converted to carburetors, something I DO highly recommend. It won't cost you any more than a $1000 tuner and wide band O2 sensors. And you will get rid of all those unreliable and failure prone computerized electronics, and make it super easy to work on and tune your bike. But if you do want to put an aftermarket exhaust on your EFI Harley Davidson motorcycle, it WILL require a NON EPA approved tuner, and new wide band O2 sensors. It's the only way to get the air/fuel mixture rich enough to prevent burning up your engine. And since Harley Davidson started kissing the EPA's ass, you will NEED both an aftermarket exhaust and tuner to make you bike sound like a Harley should. I really don't care if H-D goes out of business. They no longer make real Harleys anymore, and certainly don't make anything I want. I have never been a fan of H-D, only the bikes they USED to make. The M8 engine bikes are as smooth as a Honda Goldwing, and sound about like one as well. They do not meet my definition of a "Harley" And they just discontinued the Sportster, the only bike they made that could still reasonably be called a REAL Harley. So since H-D no longer has a reason for existence, it is time for them to go bye bye. They have betrayed their customers, their company, and their heritage. And they need to pay for that.

[@curtisbull1583]

Buy Japanese bikes that usually don't give any trouble, in other words, don't buy harley's, or at least a new one. Problem solved!

[@calincampbell5637]

Good luck keeping warranty with aftermarket cams and tuners on any other manufacturer lol. It's not just harley

[@curtisbull1583]

@@calincampbell5637 might all be that way, but the Japanese bikes rarely need repairs, therefore have little to no use for warranties most the time. Don't dare buy a Harley without warranty.

[@UnluckyLunkhead]

*All Motorcycle Owners in the US.* Believe it or not, some motorcycle owners live in other countries.

[@patrickdecambra2219]

Nope I'll just ride my Japanese motorcycle and never worry about breaking down or repairing it.

[@1fknhpycmpr355]

This affects only all motorcycle owners who have a newish Harley with warranty. I have two Harleys, an early 70's Shovelhead and early 2000's Roadking. I cant see how this affects me .

[@JCcanU]

It Don't . It is over the New Bikes Thanks to Obumer and his EPA in 2012 They raided the Harley Dealers removed the High Performance Module Gave the 2012 More Power . They used them from 1999 till Obumer got the EPA to Raid Harley Davidson .

[@im2yys4u81]

I own a Concord Purple 2000 RK, an old 57' Ironhead, and a FLHTCUSE7. I don't need HD either.

[@wheeltrouble]

Right! I'm on a Kawi Versys 300. I can mod quite a bit before Kawi cares. Each component is case by case.

[@Dumbeddownbymedia]

So many HD riders out there that have been riding for years and don't understand the 1st thing about motorcycles. Same goes for the cars they drive. Not just HD owners. Drive till it drops.

[@chesterswingjr9796]

I’ve seen many low mileage bikes for sale lately, and wonder why they even own them. Just to tell their friends “I have a Harley” I guess, but don’t ride it, or know the first thing about working on it. They probably can’t even change their own oil!!!

[@John_Ridley]

Most HD riders I've met know nothing about motorcycles, AND they're terrible riders. They're OK at going in a straight line in a group, that's about it. There were three 20+ year HD riders in the MSF returning rider course a few years ago when I started riding again after 30 years. They were awful, couldn't turn in less than a 50 foot radius, put their feet down all the time, really just almost no skills. They got way better in just 3 hours of time on the range, which leads me to believe that they have spent less than 3 hours in their previous 20 years actually working on any skills. I spend hours a year in a parking lot working on skills. HDs are mostly jewelry for dentists that wear leather on the weekend. There are certainly exceptions. I've met HD riders who are skilled, ride a bunch of different types of bikes, and are excellent mechanics. But from what I can tell that's about 1 in 50 riders.

[@towelie4625]

Too bad. As soon as I got my iron 883 I put an fp3 fuelpak tuner on it, with 65° air sucker and V&H short shots. My dealer fixed my gear shifter after lowside. Insurance involved. Not a warranty issue and they didn't void it or get rid of my warranty. If anything they kept it shush shush and let me autotune my bike after any fix.

[@grumpybaztard4930]

At HD's prices .. you should get whatever you want put on the bike without any warranty hangups

[@scottanderson4175]

In 2005 I purchased my last Harley Davidson and lost all interest in Harley Davidson since then I have purchased 3 brand new BMW motorcycles 2 brand new Suzuki motorcycles 1 brand new Honda motorcycle and 2 brand new Yamaha motorcycles but no more Harley Davidson 🥂

[@kman-mi7su]

Currently I'm riding a 2007 Yamaha Royal Star full dresser. I bought it used and I've had 2 HDs in the past I bought used. I buy them with low mileage and out of that warranty period. I can do whatever I please to the exhaust and motor on my bikes and if they don't like it, well as Flo from Mel's diner used to say, "KISS MY GRITS!".

[@ocm1774]

I was about to buy a fat boy 114 , this video kinda made me think 💭 it over again and reevaluate the pros and cons.

[@ianwilley5639]

It's time to name and shame manufacturers/dealers who restrict user/owners right to repair and dent their business model or put them out of business completely

[@cody6009]

Should have bought a Honda lol

[@ajennings122]

its great, just had my 1k mile service done on my 22 street bob. the dealership wanted 650 to basically do a oil change brought it to a local motorcycle shop and got it done for 180 their prices are ridiculous.

[@californiadreaming9216]

Andrew Jennings why didn't you just do your own oil change on your Harley??

[@chilldbox]

Did mine myself. Super easy, bought the kit from my harley dealer and she's good to go.

[@ShiftnWolf72]

Does not effect everyone. Those of use who buy used can do what we want :)

[@montejones5788]

If the machine is repaired with non Harley-Davidson parts , the manufacturer of those parts should be responsible for warranty of the part itself and any subsequent damage the part may cause if it fails. I do not understand why a manufacturer is expected to warranty Parts it did not make. Or to continue to warranty a machine that has been modified with parts that it did not make.

[@dontworrybehappy8080]

Fair enough. But part of the argument the video talked about is voiding the entire warranty if for example, there is engine failure, and HD won't honor it because you switched out some speakers. To me, that sounds fair for HD to honor.

[@montejones5788]

@@dontworrybehappy8080 have you experianced this at a dealership?

[@dontworrybehappy8080]

@@montejones5788 Yes I have. According to my example. I replaced my exhaust and air breather. Not long afterwards my battery died. The dealership near me replaced it free of charge because it was under warranty.

[@montejones5788]

@@dontworrybehappy8080 then the dealership acted in good faith on your behalf and did what they were supposed to do. Now what would you expect if your bike had not been properly remapped after the air cleaner and Muffler change and burned a piston because of it? Who put the parts on? Were they Harley-Davidson parts? Who remapped the bike? Who is ultimately responsible for the damage?

[@dontworrybehappy8080]

@@montejones5788 I'm not disagreeing with you so long as the discrepancy is affiliated with the problem. However, part of the video is pointing out dealers that look for loopholes to dishonor warranties that have nothing to do with the deficiency. Its all good. Lets wait and see how its settled in court I suppose.

[@josephnapolitano277]

Every time I go to the HD dealership most of the parts are made in China and other foreign countries and are very expensive

[@christopher7935]

Factory Warranty and repair can only be done by factory trained mechanics at the oem's dealership that has met all requirements to do so, it's never not been like this , if the vehicle has been modified in a way that would cause additional stress and wear it can't be warrantied, it's never not been like this for any brand, this is not something new, I hope for the oem's sake they don't win the suit, we could see warranties go back to 6 months and 5000 miles

[@sanderslongdrive]

The presenter has a nice voice but his script is unclear, even to this aged biker who practised law for decades. Three issues appear to be there and they are presented as one which I suspect is not the case. Many of us are not U.S.A. resident and are unfamiliar with the goings on there. So even more confusing. The major issue I think I grasped: (1) If you buy a new H.D. motorcycle the company provide you with the minimum length of warranty which the law insists on? Some of the warranty provisions are not told to the buyer? If so, immensely odd! And, if during thev warranty period non- H.D. parts are fitted such can invalidate the entire warranty? Here in the U.K. such has always been the case with most or all sellers (certainly since I started biking in the 60s) and is reasonable, strictly provided that the seller dealer exercises this provision fairly - reasonably linking a parts failure to a non-standard part fitted. The thing to bear in mind with warranties is that if they are unfair a buyer always has alternative rights either embodied within statute or common law. So, a warranty booklet never comprehensively controls the legal playing field. But such can be an academic point when, as nearly always, legal fees are far greater than whatever sum of money one seeks by way of compensation! (2) I was unable to even get to the start line on points 2 and 3. Something appears to be preventing a H.D. owner from using the services of a non-H.D. dealership? No idea what this is about? (3) Again likewise on this point, clueless what the message was? There are two types of parts - offical H.D. parts and copycat parts? Something appears to be preventing non-H.D. dealerships sourcing one or both categories? If so, this may be indirectly making it impractical to utilise the services of a non-H.D. dealership to carry out servicing / repairs? If so, then I accept that such intertwines points 2 and 3. Please bear in mind when presenting videos, particularly when such involve technical legal issues, that we the watchers (for whatever reason) are in the main not already sharply in tune with such matters. We need to be sequentially led through the issues in a way that a bright eleven year old listener would comprehend. Being patronising in this instance to us listeners would be appreciated.

[@CJCon885]

I find that it is interesting that Indian has for a cheaper price all the upgrades built in from the factory. The stock engine has about the same hp, and torque as a stage 2 upgrade. Also the stereo have a stage 2 upgrade. Makes you think that its just better to get the bike you want for half the price.

[@highoctain113]

This is why our NEWEST vehicle on the property is more than 15 years old... Our tractor is coming up on 75 years old. I can say that I am planning on purchasing a new vehicle soon, but even that is going to be almost 10 years old, and the moment I get it, I will likely be changing a whole lot of mechanical systems to operate much better and will likely rebuild the engine while I'm at it so that I can squeeze every bit of efficiency out of it that is typically lost to the mass production, such as a port and polish on the head.

[@davefish8107]

UK here , you only have to walk into a HD dealer to see who they cater for , looks like a Apple store now Only had old ones , and done everything my self . Sadly old now and have got rid of them

[@ME-jc7xi]

This is for those who aren't really bikers. Those who have money and never turn a wrench. Those who fix their own, don't care about a warranty.

[@killingfields1424]

How time has changed. Before in the 20s the Feds with all its influence and power used to stand with Harley and the Big Car brands of America. Now the scenario changed a lot

[@WrongfullyExiled]

Does this mean I can sue Yamaha for not fixing my bike because I had a slip on exhaust and lowered it so I could touch the ground? Even though their dealership installed the parts and swore it wouldn't void my warranty?

[@robertclark4509]

Ive owned 4 Harleys now and 3 of them were from dealers The last dealer here in MD NEEDS to be sued I paid cash and they treated me like they were lending me the bike ....

[@urethralsensitivity]

It would be nice if Harley would sell a bike that wouldn’t require a Stage 1 before it rolls out the door to simply run like it should. EPA regs aren’t going away, so the least HD could do is produce a bike that sounds good (not crazy loud) and runs well (no artificial leanness to strangle the engine). All stock. But then they couldn’t sell us a solution to a problem they created. I stopped buying into the Harley bullshit on my third bike. After that I saw what HD was really about: stroking us off with the soft hand of nostalgia while stealing our wallets with the cold hand of corporate greed. And that was back in the mid 2000’s for me, so I’ve watched HD get exponentially worse over the last two decades.

[@loramaclean476]

100% agree on Stage 1!!! A Harley shouldn't sound like a sewing machine or the electric knife I carve turkey with! I Stage 2 within 2 weeks of owning my Heritage.

[@recoilrob324]

Harley's new Pan America seems to run well and makes competitive power, but it's offended the 'purist' Harley owners who want their old bikes to stay like they were. But...with modern emissions requirements including noise, the air cooled engines are really difficult to bring into compliance so you get the hot running strangled engines. I really like the old bikes...simple, easier to work on and if it should have a problem the aftermarket is there with parts to fix it. Being a 'consumer' is the worst thing that ever happened to motorcycling...people that just want to ride but not do the maintenance...then bitch about paying someone else to do it for them. We do ALL of our own wrenching and have for 45 years and I hope we have a new group of riders coming up who want to get dirt under their fingernails to earn the privilege of riding a bike.

[@thomashuxley2959]

A manufacturer does not nor should they spend R&D funds on testing aftermarket parts intended for use on their products. Harley has the right and just cause to not endorse aftermarket parts that may cause harm due to lack if testing. That being said, items such as radios, chrome trim, etc are not going to affect the engine, drive train and should not void warranty.

[@larry9290]

Polaris is the same way they won't release the software for troubleshooting and repair if your not a dealer

[@charlesramirez928]

Voiding a warranty for using non-oem...parts during the warranty period is understandable after the warranty its fair game and if the engine fails due to bad manufacturing then thats on Harley...

[@TheNECichlids]

But here’s the thing, if you modify your bike to not be emissions compliant, they can’t cover it thanks to the EPA.

[@Dumazfuk]

I'd never buy a Harley anyway. These people have no idea they are a South Park episode

[@dcijams]

Trying to get a trailer hitch put on a motorcycle is impossible at a Harley Davidson shop. They state it will void your warranty. But Honda Goldwing has their own trailer hitches. And will install there’s an aftermarket without an ease, or before the warranty.

[@dalvenable331]

get the gold wing honda makes a better bike.

[@live2ride844]

Don’t waste money on a warranty and buy a reliable brand, aka not a Harley Davidson

[@brianrahuba6919]

Listen ok ok read , my bad . We all new we were getting screwed by Harley but the bike is the bike . I wouldn't buy a brand new Harly not a big fan of their so called Freedom motor's. Horsepower is not the game with Harley's . It's torque not horsepower .

[@DavidKing-jx3sg]

Same thing happened with harvesters and heavy farm machinery in Australia, Your machine breaks down in the middle of harvest and you cannot work on it, Has to be the dealer who may get out next week...

[@jsammy1226]

As a person that worked at a dealer not only in service but also as a parts associate. Paying upwards of $5 for a print it took them .5 cents to make is horrible. And that is just customers working on there own bikes. Service work is horrible or pricing. I get paying for someone’s experience but 150+ hourly rate is ridiculous. Especially if I can do the job cheaper than what labor is alone. Glad to see more people see things that way.

[@ss67camaronut]

But the mechanics aren't payed that great.

[@lpd1snipe]

So glad I don't have to deal with this BS. I miss the good old days prior to the '80s when they didn't have the Motor Clothes crap and the local Harley dealer was a guy you knew and you could just walk in and hang out. Harley forced those guys out because they didn't want to spend thousands of dollars upgrading their showroom for Harley BS. Robison Harley-Davidson in Daytona is a perfect example. They forced him out and Rossmeyer got the dealership franchise because he had the big bucks. My newest Harley is a 1996 Road King. My oldest Harley is a 1949 El Panhead.

[@MarkClayMcGowan]

I just received the amended warranty for my 21 Ultra Limited. It actually clears the way for HD owners to have their bikes serviced and worked on wherever they like, and to use non OEM parts in said service and work without affecting their warranty. However, should damage occur due to the work or non OEM parts, the warranty will not cover it. This was actually already the way things were for my last two bikes between 02 and last summer.

[@travisdean8794]

Here’s a thought, how bout Harley-Davidson actually build a bike like they used to, ya know, one that won’t break down every other week.

[@bingusmctingus4395]

I have a sporty, bought at 5k, clutch blew out at 10k. It’s nicknamed the “grenade plate” due to a shitty diaphragm spring that’s attached TO THE FRICTION SURFACE with brass rivets. They still use this in all sportsters today.

[@frankmarkovcijr5459]

@@bingusmctingus4395 I have a 1999 Sportster 883 with 400,000 miles on it and it is 24 years old now still on the original clutch

[@thenulanula]

Absolutely my recommendations are stay right away from Harley Davidson dealerships altogether…!!! Sy’s Harley Davidson told me my compensator needed changing, then also started telling me my starter motor needed to be replaced. This is when I got Suspicious and told them to stop all work on my bike, and that I wanted all the parts they had already removed so that I could have them checked by another mechanic. Upon having the parts checked by not one but two independent bike mechanics, I was told they had no idea why Harley Davidson would have changed the parts that there was nothing wrong with them meanwhile I was out $1150

[@calincampbell5637]

Did your bike have hard starts?

[@thenulanula]

@@calincampbell5637 No there was absolutely nothing wrong with the starter-motor or the compensator…

[@marshallhelton1769]

I bought mine used without a warranty. I've had it serviced and repaired when the stator went out and paid for it myself. I've also made many upgrades to it and again , paid for it myself. Warranties that make you use specific factory parts , or make you use a dealership for service work is wrong.

[@tomlee432]

As a 44 plus year master tech, warranties are nothing to me. I damn sure will not pay for a new Harley. I have a 2006 road king and i do all my own repairs and rebuilds. I am the only person to touch my motorcycles with a wrench. I did try to purchase a new bike and went to 2 Harley dealerships. Both times the salesmen tried to get me to purchase extended warranties. I told them politely no thank you as i perform all my own repairs. You'll get the bike back at 1500 miles for the break in service to keep the factory warrantee in force in case of major repairs but that's it. You will not see my bike again after that. Not even for an oil change. They did not want to hear that and kept bringing me quotes with service contracts attached. I said you guys must be idiots and walked out. Went and bought a yamaha cruiser and promptly put 40.000 miles on it with std. maintenance. No issues whatsoever. I work on Harleys all the time now on the side. If you put good parts in them and do proper maintenance they are as reliable as any bike out there. Harley has for too long been gouging it's customer base and people are fed up with corporate greed. These lawsuits are going to cost them big time. In terms of lost customers, service and maintenance issues that will have to be paid by them and loyalty. Screaming Eagle parts are the parts that should have been installed as standard equipment to begin with. They are not upgraded parts, hell aftermarket parts are better than screaming eagle. As for me, i hope they lose their ass.

[@CPerreault]

Bikers don't want to feel restricted and controlled. HD should know this by now. We are a lot who love to ride and cherish our freedom. Put a choke hold on us and you get push back! But HD needs to make money to survive...

[@josecolom6061]

Why would I want to own a Chinese bike, Harley has not been made in the USA for a very long time, even if the bikes were built here, they are full of cheap made Chinese parts that fail sooner than later and simply do not hold up, so the famous American Icon failed us all the minute they went with china. I own a 1988 Suzuki Katana , still running on the original clutch, has given lots of hours and miles of satisfaction over the years, I have never had a serious engine or transmission breakdown, just regular maintenance. And I do all my repairs, period !

[@cew142]

Remember, there is a reason why they are doing this. Think about the person that is sue happy when it was their fault to begin with. Same goes for lawn tractors. The blades disconnect when you shift into reverse. Wanna know why? Someone sued when they ran over someone in reverse. Now we have safety devices on lawn tractors.

[@jamin4436]

I just broke up with a girl who dad was in the hells angels. She was horrible and They owe me a lot of money, and threatened me. Seeing this brings me joy .

[@johnrhodes101875]

and that's why I'll keep my two old Yamaha sport bikes 90 fzr 1000 and 97 yzf 750 and work and tinker on them myself

[@Chris-0113]

Meh. I avoid the harley dealership at all costs. I work on my own bikes and usually replace HD parts with (better) aftermarket parts.

[@barendfourie6687]

I considered buying a cvo roadglide because I think it is the ultimate bike. The day before I was to sign I watched a bunch of reviews of 5000 mi owners and 7 put of 10 had issues. I have a yamaha star venture and it is still without issues at 22000 miles so I decided to keep my yamaha.

[@barriejones6564]

I have a 1995 evo road king I can fix it myself , no plug in diagnostics on my bike , thank goodness .

[@user-KrackerJack]

Many years ago there was a local HD dealer telling people they had to use HD brand motor oil . like Harley doesn't buy the cheapest oil they can and slap there label on it

[@44thala49]

Harley has been a crap company forever now

[@wwolfdogs]

Loose, rattling, rusted parts right out of the box. Surprised they warranty them at all.

[@torevenheim9607]

I dont care about Harley Davidson or their warrenty, has nothing to do with me or my bikes

[@allsearpw3829]

CARS AND MOTOR CYCLE MANUFACTORS , HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS , even in the UK .

[@jddockery2]

Dealers have refused to work on bikes based on non Harley turn signals. O.o

[@dougfaulkner6799]

According to what i was just sent by the motor company, you take a big risk adding aftermarket parts because they get to determine what caused the failure and we all know how that will work out.

[@blowndown9634]

And this is why I own a Goldwing.

[@lapher-uh1462]

Yet another reason to forget Harley even exists!

[@arthercasillas2755]

I love motorcycles. It is mandatory to get a factory service manual for what ever bike you own. I assume the liability of modification. When I adjust fuel maps, air intake, exhaust. If I don’t reflash my ecu I would get popping (which is cool) but also leave more carbon build up. What I need is a licensed or OEM tunner. That is right to repair. It is impossible not to customize your bike.

[@scottfree641]

This is the exact reason I bought a Honda right there. I didn't want to deal with that shit right there.

[@bking9226]

I purchased a new 2018 Ultra for my retirement I told the sale's man what I planned on doing to MY bike and he told me that it would cancel my warranty and I told him I will do what ever I want to MY property and if they will not cover my bike if something went wrong I would see him in court , so I put Zipper's 468 cam kit , V&H Pro-Pipe , Cobra High Flow breather, and a Thunder-Max Tuner , and did it ever wake that bike up , so that was 4 years ago 42000 miles later and still running like a champ , I've been driving these things for 45 years so DON'T tell me what I can do or can't do you took my money didn't you , and I think it looks good on Harley sue the hell out of them !!!! Just saying !!!

[@12yearssober]

I get where you are coming from. I also get HD position on that. With that amount of upgrades and actually changing internal engine parts I would have to side with HD. Ford would not cover a new car if the owner made similar upgrades. Where the problem lies is as stated in the video an aftermarket exhaust upgrade should not nullify a transmission failure repair under warranty. I recently purchased an ultra limited. I won't do any upgrades until the warranty period expires. I'm not giving a bean counter any reason to deny any warranty claim. All my services are being performed at the dealership I purchased it from. All I will do is check fluids and tire pressure. If anything breaks its on them.

[@schrodingersmechanic7622]

I fully agree that you should be able to do what you like with your property, but I also agree with HD voiding your warranty. If your engine grenades why should they be responsible when it's not their parts in it or a bad aftermarket tune? Modify at your own risk.

[@mikeskidmore6754]

John Deere should be in this Legal case too .. I downloaded and Printed a 644 page shop manual for my 2008 Buell ..

[@rickconstant6106]

Bit of a stretch to say this affects all motorcycle owners - for one thing, I live in the UK, and for another, both my bikes are over 40 years old and I do all my own maintenance.

[@brianm5637]

Harley should be a case study for marketing and business operation tricks. They’ve been conning people into buying their substandard bikes for decades, with nothing new to offer other than paint schemes, while simultaneously treating their customers like trash. There was a case a few years ago where Harley voided a warranty when an owner’s transmission failed- because the owner had installed a non-Harley Davidson branded American flag on his bike.