An Indian Salesman's Advice To Angry Non-Woke Harley Davidson Owners and Current Trade Values

[@frankw7266]

"Be easy on your local dealers".... you mean the same ones who have no problem bending you over for $18 to get a 50 cent bolt.

[@sectoratype]

For real. I bought a bike from a family owned HD they had no issue fucking on the deal. As I am a new rider . I am so upside down I can’t even refinance because they added so many things to the final price my bank refuses to. Along with applying my electronic signature to open a HD credit card in my name … then they tell me they reserve the right to use my electronic signature as they please because I signed the contract which in fine print stated I consent to them using my signature as they please

[@georgekisselbrock8937]

⁠@@sectoratypeWTF dude! That’s outright criminal.

[@motoknivesandgunsbyjt]

Seriously. I had to pay 30.00 for an air breather valve. The guy didn’t even blink. Just said, “you want it or not?”

[@davidspin5353]

FVCK HARLEY, made in Thai land by lady boys for lady boys...

[@simonlangmead7]

Do yourself a huge favour, and get an Indian instead. With or without the woke being a factor. Far better engineered and made, Polaris engineers run circles around Harley engineers. Harley should just keep making T-shirts and belt buckles.

[@whathappenedtofreethinking6902]

Seeing multiple HD roadside with “for sale” signs. Send that German and the board packing. Investors should be suing all these companies for devaluing their investments. Go after the ceo and the board directly.

[@earlkozak6538]

Exactly

[@Jenda-ld8dj]

The major investors are in on it. Follow the money.

[@amanda1500]

​@Jenda-ld8dj yes, ESG scoring. Also HD recently received 89,000,000 government grant to build electric motorcycles.

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

This is temporary and pretty much inevitable. The people who are ride or die with the old school HD are getting up there in age and the younger people aren't as enamored with the brand for various reasons. Not doing something on the DEI front early enough, along with the lack of technical innovation, has been killing the brand. I can pretty much guarantee that if they fire the leadership that they're just going to get either private equity to strip the thing and sell it off or more efforts to shift the brand to something that is marketable now. I grew up loving the HD look, but the bikes are way overpriced and aren't as reliable as other brands. And, there are other brands now that make bikes that look just as good, with better performance. I did rent an HD years ago and it was an extremely comfortable ride, but it's also a ride for a type of riding that an increasing number of younger people don't have time for and fewer even have the money to buy one new.

[@johnnylewallen8332]

Actually is all you butthurt owners that have devalued the bikes by having a temper tantrum and running around trying to sell all of those bikes now.

[@Steve-se6id]

I've always said if you want to buy a Harley, go to an Indian dealer. Harleys are traded in all day long at Indian dealers. I have two Indians. Love them.

[@natedearyan7597]

USED Harleys are all over Craigslist, for WAY less than 3 months ago.

[@fmpabxx7834]

I'm about to hit up Craigslist. I could use a new Breakout 117

[@christopherw4527]

Yes. There are so many Harley's right now on marketplace and craigslist right now.

[@hillbilly4christ638]

Frankly, the used bikes make a lot of sense. There is a ton of aftermarket stuff and those old bikes can be kept running indefinitely. The problem is NOS parts for the old bikes. Personally, I don’t care because I am not a collector. The scene has been about customization so who cares? The company has been shooting themself in the foot for a very long time and what is happening is most likely inevitable. I have always wrenched on my own bikes and I hate these electronic messes. To me, the perfect bike ignites with a mag and has a generator for the lights.

[@oneofmany1087]

facebook marketplace is the same and same bikes on them over a year.

[@CaffyPvP]

@@fmpabxx7834 Unfortunately the fannypack and pride shirt to wear while riding it are sold separately.

[@JR-bj3uf]

I don't think I ever gave more than $3000 for a bike in my life. $25,000 - $30,000 seems insane to me.

[@ronrobertson59]

Me neither I buy baskets and rebuild them. The most I ever paid is for my 46 Indian chief I paid 4K for two yrs ago. I put about 3k in restoring it it's worth 45k easy.

[@mackeerererallll6]

Facts. Dumbest of the dumb or richest of the rich are the only ones buying Harley’s.

[@JR-bj3uf]

I never wanted to get stuck with a bike I couldn't sell if I needed to. It is very unlikely that I could find a buyer for a $30,000 CVO during a down turn in the economy.

[@darknitethunder]

@@JR-bj3uf Buying or Selling or Trading no matter what it is, it would be best to see what the future holds for our Country. After the upcoming election. Get out there and Vote. Trump - Vance 2024 for a better Economy.

[@psalm2forliberty577]

Right on - Same. Got a pristine 2008 Suzuki V-Strom 650 ADV bike 12k miles 1 owner $3600 otd. Have added 10k miles trouble free + added new chain & upgrades. Who the heck buys new when low miles garage queens litter Craigslist ?!

[@TimothyT230]

You know it's bad when Indian start asking you not to trade your Harley

[@131601]

I ride a Suzuki SV650 and I’m proud of it …. Sorry had to let that out !

[@scottkelso4453]

Great bike. I have a dl1000.

[@lalomcnombres72]

Started on a Sportster 1200R, then a Wide Glide. Now ride an SV650. Love it for 2-3 hours. Now want something bigger to compliment it- probably not a Harley, but not because of ant wokeness or.whatever but because they are overpriced and to get the performance I want I'd have to change everything on it!

[@131601]

@@lalomcnombres72 The SV650 is a lot of fun for a nice ride around town. I’ve had a ton of bikes and this is what I settled on !

[@jimmansi1187]

SV is a great bike! I’m 62 & ride a GSX-R750 & a Harley Superglide, both are awesome bikes for different reasons , stay safe out there!

[@SouthTxDan]

I started on a 2007 sv650s. Loved that bike.

[@frankmarkovcijr5459]

So much for Harley holding its value.

[@shrugger1]

If they ejected the Cee-Ee-Oh and the bored. Then apologized profusely and made drastic changes. They would hold value. Note: Y**tube seriously doesn't want me talking about this. I'm not kidding

[@conniemclaughlin3156]

really sad as the bikes are great bikes, and the employees at the US plants are gonna lose their jobs.

[@frankmarkovcijr5459]

@@conniemclaughlin3156 today's Harley-Davidson along with all the other motorcycles are collected of government regulations on two wheels.

[@zoof1]

I just sold my CVO. HD no longer in my good graces. They are dead to me.

[@amanda1500]

They recently received 89,000,000 government grant to build electric motorcycles.

[@MAHGlie]

I’ve had Suzuki, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Montesa, BMW and Moto Guzzi for the first 48 years of riding. Still have my 1986 Guzzi LeMans which I bought new. Grandfather rode Indian, Harley, Henderson and Excelsior and raised a family of 16 without a car. I wanted an HD for years and when the kids got through college last year I bought a 2016 FLTRU (Road Glide Ultra). Love it. Now all this political woke s*** hits the fan and I don’t care. There won’t be a line of transgenders and ladymen lining up to buy HDs. I’ll keep my RGU, and no, I don’t do the pirate rally thing. I bought it to travel in my retirement, not to park and strut.

[@TonyChance-xq5vg]

@@MAHGlie nicely stated, when you boil it down, it's all about riding, or it should be, not the lifestyle, drama queen, bash-other-bike brands bs

[@Ihatezidiotz]

Good for you if you're happy with your HD.. I for one will not spend money on something that will enrich guys like the ones that are running HD now...

[@donaldwayne4219]

🤣Still have the Guzzi, LeMans, that says a lot, Guzzis just seem to last. 👍that's pretty cool.

[@davidhill588]

feels kinda like being married to a woman for 10 years only to find out she was born with a penis

[@jhask64]

Agree. I wouldn’t buy a new one now, but I’m not selling my two Harleys either. I love riding them.

[@christors]

HARLEY DAVIDSON needs to fire its CEO and Board of directors for the decisions made that caused the problems. The buck stops at the decisions made, the loyal workers of HD did not sign off on it. Then they need to make it right, it has done this in the past because they have fcked up before. Willie G. do you hear the people? Also, Polaris should come out on their stance on these issues that we are talking about as they are the owner of Indian Motercycles.

[@joerivas9847]

Disagree. Companies should stay OUT of social and political issues. They are in business to make money, not to pander to a SMALL percentage of the population.

[@RustyZipper]

Polaris should absolutely NOT take a stance on anything besides building sport machines. Just like celebrities giving me advice as they’re flying on private jets and have armed security telling me to reduce my carbon footprint and surrender my 2A.

[@that_bobber_guy]

Businesses are not politicians and don't need to be involved in politics. That's just my humble opinion. Indian and Harley just need to fly the American flag, sell bikes, and keep the healthy competition going 🇺🇲🦅

[@christopherw4527]

The CEO is a socialist German. Harley isn't American.

[@mikeb2586]

Who gives a flying f--k? Shut up and ride!

[@stefanpuffer]

Harley owners can't get rid of their Harley because then they'd have to buy all new clothing.

[@cooperparts]

It’s called a costume

[@FatboyDLR]

I am a Harley rider and that is hilarious. It’s hilarious because it’s true.

[@kevinmeehan4549]

That goes for Indian riders also !!! Everytime see one out on the road . He’s Indian up . Could also wear Polaris gear also while riding an Indian .

[@georgekisselbrock8937]

@@cooperpartsyup, cosplay style.

[@RonInNapa]

So true. That stuff is expensive. But this is not happening for me again. From now on, I am buying non-branded clothing from my local Cycle Gear.

[@olapalmquist9008]

Absolutely wonderful, balanced and wise video. I love Indian. We have a 2019 Springfield and a 2022 Scout Bobber, but also a 2018 H-D Street Bob. And my first bike bought new in 2000, a Kawa VN800 Classic.

[@glass-man-2527]

I’m really impressed with this man’s message and the way he was able to articulate it. I was expecting him to bash the crap out of Harley and try to convert all the HD owners, he made his plug, but was still really respectful in my opinion

[@markgiles8527]

Why are motorcycles so expensive anyway? 2 wheels, no glass, no differential, no protection. Always puzzled me why people pay the asking prices.

[@keesketsers5866]

Because there are WAY more cars built and sold than motorcycles. Larger scale means lower prices. Also, there are lots of new bikes that are less than $5000, but everyone want top of the bill. Even top of the bill cars are very expensive.

[@scudonepercenter]

CEO is paid US$12M per annum. What about the rest of top management? There are many ways to trim the fat.

[@kman-mi7su]

Because The consumer is stupid for the most part. Harley Davidson, and other companies, not just in the motorcycle world, notice and take advantage of it.

[@OnDownTheRoadProductions]

Price gouging and extended loans for lower payments.

[@ShovelMonkey]

Multiple reasons. 1) abnormally low interest rates for the last 20 years. 2) Sixty month and longer loans allow for low payments, combine with reason #1 3) Economics of scale. Cars are made by the millions allowing a relatively lower cost per unit. 4) Where a car is a necessity, which drives price competition, motorcycles are generally a luxury item due to their lack of general utility. Luxury goods always cost more.

[@anthonygaby6617]

Never saw a Harley in the junkyard..but now that will change..

[@frankmarkovcijr5459]

@@anthonygaby6617 insured Harleys end up in junkyard. What's the owner has been paid for by the insurance company he does not care any longer about the bike and it goes to become scrap metal not like the old days where they would fix up the bike. People have no loyalty to anything anymore at all.

[@anthonygaby6617]

@@frankmarkovcijr5459 I'm 65 yrs old and been pulling parts for old cars in the junkyards throughout Indiana since I was 15..And never once saw a Harley in the junkyards..'71 Honda CB 750s, mini bikes BMWs, Cushman, Kawasaki,but never any Harleys.

[@charlesprice7608]

CoPart has plenty of Harleys! If your mechanically inclined it’s a good place to pick up low mileage wreck.

[@joerivas9847]

@@frankmarkovcijr5459 Same can be said for the companies. Look at the absolute JUNK the big 3 sell. I was a die hard Chevy/GM guy, not anymore, since they took obobos/OUR tax money to stay afloat in 2009, union leech pigs. I bought a Toyota Tundra, reliability beats anything the big 3 have.

[@silverhammer7779]

Old friend of mine has an '83 Sportster. He recently compared it to a '23 Sportster. His verdict: new ones are lower quality at a ridiculously high price. Yeah, I know, you're paying for the name...but, especially now, how much is that name worth?

[@yoshit9819]

Harleys ceo messed up. That being said, motorcycle sales across the board are down. All Motorsports sales are down

[@neilwilliams5173]

True statement right there.Pass by almost any motor sport dealer and the lots are full both on road and off road machines.High prices and high interest rates seem to be the main culprit.

[@alpg8820]

He did not, everything is according to a plan, woke liberals are destroying america by destroying american icon companies, HD, JD, TS, Disney, Bud light.... This s not to promote trans agenda, they are using it to destroy american companies , Libs know full well vast majority doesn't support their agenda and will boycott companies driving them either out of business completely, or to restructure so they are no longer an american icons, they are using us against us ourselves, unfortunately vast majority does not see, care, believe or understand it. These people helping libs to destroy america without even realising it.

[@josephzeigler5518]

Face the truth, all motorcycle sales are down. The motorcycle mindset is fading away

[@waynef.8158]

Well, lets also look at what COVId did. Everyone!! Ran out and bought houses, boats, ATVs, mountain bikes and motorcycles. So….everyone has new stuff now. Inflation doesn’t help either.

[@mkultraification]

​@josephzeigler5518 No, the giant, overpowered, overpriced motorcycle mindset is going away.

[@jholland3606]

I remember when many people considered owning a Harley Davidson as an investment, or at least getting a good resale value. So much for that...

[@ChristianHustle1]

Respect for how you approached this topic. I was on the fence between a nightster and a bobber. After this I think I’m going indian!

[@WolfinWolvesClothing713]

Still woke.

[@fmpabxx7834]

Buy tampons while you're at it chump. 🫡

[@russmode]

Great bikes, problem is great HD dealer is 10 minutes from me, Indian dealer 8 hours away.

[@christopherw4527]

@@russmode Same here, but the HD dealer is beyond terrible here.

[@cautiouslyoptimistic6185]

@@russmode Ouch, short ride to bend over !

[@tommythornton8258]

I only buy and ride older Harleys anyway that was built back in the day when there was still pride in American made motorcycles and when I ride it's about focusing on the road, the bike, and the scenery. Don't need apple car play, GPS, or ride mode. I don't do long distance riding so the bells and whistles don't apply here. I do have an Indian also and I love it.

[@raybrensike42]

40 mil a year for a CEO? Well there's your problem right there. It's about the love of money, and we know what that means.

[@TPMAKHOME]

He can be paid that much because so many people have bought into a brand that sells them as the American dream. Get out on the road and be free....yea. A very effective marketing scheme with way overpriced bikes and parts all these years. They have been poking it to us because we are stupid and let them. It's time to wake up America

[@Hellbentbiker]

This is all crazy. Indian still has "woke“ policies even though they removed some of the wording from the public website. This shouldn’t deter people from buying Indian motorcycles. People shouldn’t be deterred from buying Harley over these dei “woke“ policies either. This all prompted me to do a little research that anyone can look up. So far I’ve found Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Suzuki, BMW, Triumph all have dei and woke policies. They all are doing the same. I don’t agree with the policies but you literally can’t buy a motorcycle that isn’t “woke“. With a little more searching you can find that you also can’t buy groceries, clothing, automobiles, watch movies, listen to music, or buy any other goods or services without supporting a woke company. Much of it is mandated. Most of these people probably have to attend woke dei and other training at work every year. People have been fooled to hate Harley for years without any actual knowledge or experience and now they are fooling Harley riders to hate and give up their own bikes. Point is ride what you like. They are all woke!

[@JoeJr75]

Correct

[@RandomRants525]

Please say KTM are not woke. But do I really want to know?

[@Hellbentbiker]

@@RandomRants525 KTM hints of it but definitely not as blatant as others. 🤘🏻

[@RandomRants525]

@@Hellbentbiker Well they are Austrian so they allways come over a bit "camp". But thanks for letting me know I don't have to let the love of my life go after 22years together. I was there when she was delivered. By way of a UTErus. A 03 525EXC. Called Caity Emm. But what I like the most is when ya really stoned it looks like it's made in Australia.

[@bultacowally]

He says as he takes a long swig of his ice cold Bud Lite!!!

[@yertelt5570]

If your Harley has left the dealership lot, corporate has already made their money. They don't care if you trade, they don't care if you sell it for a loss, the don't care if you set it on fire, dance around it with all your buddies chanting "Harley Sucks". They've made their money and the only one you will hurt is you. When they get around to firing the CEO and shaking up the board and they apologize, they will make all that money again when all is forgiven and you go back to the dealership to replace your bike. Almost kind of like they planned it this way, hmm...............

[@amanda1500]

HD recently received 89,000,000 government grant to build electric motorcycles.

[@spacecadet35]

They make a lot of money off the spare parts for their bikes. If you are not riding you r Harley, the you will not be needing to buy $80 bolts off them.

[@bempey]

Comments with suggestion for owners at the end: HD bikes: judge the bikes on their own performance/value/etc., not the corporate suits. HD Dealers: judge your dealers on their service and commitment to customers. Some are good, some are bad, just like EVERY brand of bike (or car, boat, etc). But like this excellent video suggests, don't take out anger about HQ on your local dealers. Or auction-house, etc. They're victims like you. HD HQ: So, this is where the problems arose. However, they likely didn't initiate the changes. The ROOT CAUSE of the problems is simple: #1 - publicly traded companies are owned by the shareholders, who also elect the BoD (board of directors) who's job is to hire and fire CEOs, who's job is to set a course and guide the company. #2 - Unless your company has piles of money in the bank (Warren Buffet's company is an exception) it uses bank credit (LoC) for cash to operate. The cost of that cash depends on the interest rate set by your bank. Its not a fixed rate for businesses, like for consumers. The bank can change it on a whim. #3. Both the companies AND the banks are controlled by their largest shareholders, which are BlackRock, Vanguard, and StateStreet. They DICTATE to everyone. #4. When the ESG bull-crap came out, companies got an ESG score. Low performers were given time to "fix things", but if their score didn't go up enough they would get punished with higher interest rates from their bank. This increase in operating cost could be anough to make the difference between a business being viable, or going bankrupt. So, when the banksters told Budweiser: you need to up your score or else ... well, you know how that went. Its probably the exact same at HD. (and Target, Tractor Supply, John Deer, etc) #5. For those who don't know, this is what ESG stands for: E = Equality = socialism/communism S = Sustainability = de-population G = Governance, which includes "Public Private Partnerships" which is Fascism. Its nasty, evil stuff, but you already know who's behind it. SUGGESTION FOR HARLEY OWNERS Use the international "distress sign" of "turning your flag upside-down" (you'll see a lot of upside-down maple-leaf flags in Canada, signaling: "I like my country, but I don't like the folks who are currently running it"). If you have removeable HD badges, try to install them upside-down. If you don't, consider buying HD stickers, and applying over the name, but upside-down. It signals that you like your bike, but you don't like the folks at HQ. THIS WILL ALL PASS! Keep riding. I hope to see you on the road!

[@markaugustin1862]

The upside down US flag signals duress. Same?

[@Elkslaya1]

I heard Indian and Polaris also have woke policies.

[@earlkozak6538]

They've dumped them

[@fredtt5780]

They have dumped even their Indian logo because of Woke 😂

[@earlkozak6538]

@fredtt5780 Well I see it at all the dealers.

[@usmcvet0313]

They do, they immediately began removing it from their website when this all kicked off. They’re all in on the ESG & DEI stuff. One of their core initiatives is called R.I.D.E., which stands for Rider Inclusion Diversity & Equity.

[@christopherw4527]

@@fredtt5780 Yep. Facts.

[@randymack2222]

The Harley dealers are fed up with HD as well... Harley Davidson Corporate is forcing dealers to accept bikes that they can't sell!

[@shaun8256]

The biggest problem is justifying even 11k for any bike, really come on no bike should be more than 10k, there is really not that much tech involved, and definitely not that much material or quality, unless they are gold plated!

[@TPMAKHOME]

yet another reason to dump an overpriced produce that is living off the reputation of the folks that came before them.

[@unsafe_at_any_speed]

I bought a vulcan and I love it. Best part is it was 16k less ot the door.

[@axegrindin]

​@@unsafe_at_any_speed 16k less than what?

[@barrymcclellan9863]

You are paying for a union labor person, making 50 an hour sitting and turning bolts. unions in the beginning were good, but as time goes by, they have caused more trouble than anything. they are like DEI they help lazy people get into a position that they didn't work for, and it runs off good people. Good workers don't need a union.just look at what they have done to our young kids in schools that alone sould make you feel like crap for supporting them.until you own a business you don't know what you are talking about it's the owner's money and sweat that started it, not yours so all you half to do is work and make money dumb. greed.

[@axegrindin]

@@barrymcclellan9863 assemblers at hd plants make 30k a year. Under 15 an hour is a far cry from 50. So instead they should send manufacturing overseas where labor is 3 dollars an hour and charge the American consumer the same price anyway?

[@eugeneolivier1421]

I'll stick with my Triumph

[@stevenward6453]

Me too 😂

[@southernmike3265]

Yep. Been riding 50 years and will never part with my bonneville. Best bikes in the world!

[@colemandeitz7302]

They are not going to give you crap for you bike on trade no dealer ever will might as well keep what you have and ride it. And also I go back metric. If I left Harley

[@michaelogden5093]

40 million dollars a year seems like a bargain when you consider the task of emasculating all bikers. Never Harley.

[@peterhaex5732]

I went from Harley to Indian in 2014 and no looking back my model the vintage best bike I ever owned and 10 years later I still enjoy my Indian

[@jefffox7195]

Rode harley 50 years will continue.

[@JD-fd6gt]

I feel really bad for that giant white pickup truck that is a limited edition Harley Davidson in my area. I asked him why not add some rainbow bumper stickers to his truck.

[@WilliamInternational]

I traded my 2018 Fat Boy 114 for a Yamaha MT09. No more boring Harley.

[@mrpoizun]

What's that, a mini bike?

[@CraigSmith568]

No dealer ever gives any good money for a trade. Guarantee they aren't dropping the prices on their used ones. I would never sell any bike because I didn't like what the company did. If I like the bike I like it. It isn't going to hurt the company at all to sell it. Not buying another one from them may make a difference.

[@stanleydragon9548]

I bought a 2021 Heritage Classic new for $24K, traded it in last year on a new 2023 Street Glide, dealer gave me $22K for my Heritage. Only dropping $2K in two years of ownership didn't seem too bad to me.

[@troyscherr5054]

Why cry about what dealers will pay for your used bike when you can sell it yourself?

[@scottallen5015]

Polaris, needs to take this opportunity to reboot Victory. Not a full line up, but a few various types of

[@jasonhoward7756]

Come from a harley family. Got tired of working on them. Did my research on indian been on a chieftain darkhorse since 2015 an I love it. I take the trip to key west about 6hrs south for me. When I get there I'm ready to party, my family is hurting and ready for a nap.

[@conniemclaughlin3156]

motorcycles are a terrible way to invest money, regardless of brand. buy a bike to ride and enjoy, don't even think about it holding its value, not happenin'.

[@bultacowally]

Being anti Harley I have always chuckled a bit when all the Harley owners i know would tell me " Yeah man I paid 30 grand for it but in ten years it will still be worth almost that"...Yeah right.........................dumbass

[@pierreballester5226]

You are a wise man. The US needs BOTH Indian and HD. The Management must be punished, but not the dealers and not the brand.

[@reppinnpreppin1609]

HD is commie tho. They are heavier in the Asian markets than the US. Indian all day

[@markjefferies2005]

What a great balanced video. You can hear the empathy in his voice. We may ride different bikes but the love of riding is what makes us brothers.

[@TPMAKHOME]

The chickens are coming home to roost. The dealers have been overcharging for parts and accessories for years and now they want you to feel sorry for them? Look even if you love the local dealership guys the only way to effect change in America is to use the power of your purse. Put their butts out of business if they are woke and the only way to start is at your local dealership one by one. If the value of the bikes dries up and dealers can't sell them Harley corporate will have to go out of business or run off the crack head woke folks running it and do a reboot. I am not sure who the guy in this video is, but he smiles and says just hold on to your Harley and wait it out, just like a Harley cooperate guy would do or maybe a guy paid by Harley. It sounds like he is trying to smooth over what Harley is doing, till the smoke clears up so you will forget about the elephant in the room. It seems to me that would be just like what a woke person would try and convince you of. Is Indian being run by woke folks too?

[@mrpoizun]

Hey, Sleepy, woke means awake. Wake up!

[@constellations3756]

I say keep the pressure on.....Harley will hide til the public softens and then return with it's woke intention...so keep the heat on.

[@myleslong5584]

Woke is a term that’s used to describe a person who’s aware of their surroundings and the events taking place around them. The opposite of woke is to be dull and uncaring about things that affect one’s life,allowing ridiculous actions to continue without protest. A lot of folks seem to be aware that something stinks with the HD brand and,like it or not,y’all fit the definition of woke. That’s actually a good thing.

[@scottchadwick6775]

Well said. Indian will be on top of the American market. Harley Davidsons' CEO is to thank for that.

[@bultacowally]

Naaa Honda rules the roost now.....

[@DerGlaetze]

Too many Germans have gone woke. They don’t realize HD represents more traditional American culture.

[@nonamehawg7068]

I thought Harleys hold their value. The moral of the story is that there is a sucker born ever second. His name is a HARLEY OWNER!!! 😅

[@ipduffy]

Will, one of my favorite bikes was a Harley VRSCDX and I regret having sold it. IDK what's going on now with the brand and this pre-election craziness but I have seen that Indian has been building better motorcycles with more features for less money than Harley for a long time now. The backlash from customers realizing that Harley didn't have their best interests in mind was a long time coming, I think. I just didn't see it coming in this political way. Best to you and yours.

[@Comm0ut]

The MoCo headshot most of the small dealers decades ago by requiring massive facility investments which did NOTHING for the customer but were a debt trap for the rich financiers who bought their franchise. There is no reason for bikers to care about the current company at all because the do not need it to support their machines (which WILL like all previous models eventually have factory support dropped then taken over by the reliable community-based indy shops). Low used values are wonderful because they lower the barrier to entry. Motorcycles are TOYS not investments (Vincent, Crocker, and other rarities might beat an index fund but little else does) and cheaper toys for everyone is what kickstarted the chopper movement. When you could buy a Pan or Shovel for a few hundred bucks used any motivated youth could get on the road. I'm fine with those days returning. Flip the patch and FTF. They don't even make the machines which built the company so no one needs them any more.

[@kcrush1]

I’ve been saying this for over seven years now. Harley Davidson‘s target demographic is not an American buyer. They have been focusing their sales efforts in Asia for 7+ years now. It’s not a secret, it’s not a new discovery, the proof has been in the products Harley Davidson has been delivering in the United States for well over seven years. Except for a $36000 e-bike, every Harley Davidson you can buy new in 2024 is the same bike you could’ve bought in 2021.

[@feloniousmonk3049]

Uh, no, not the CVO with the 121. Not that I'd ever own a HD again. Been there, done that, had a Milwaukee 8 model... and it's an engineering piece of cheap ass parts. Plastic pushrod guides, plastic cam chain followers, plastic primary chain followers and tensioners that are crap and bound to fail. Oil pumps that allow oil sumping and engine damage in the crankcase from 2017 to until 2020 models started being built. 7 revisions in the design of that oil pump, before they claim they finally got it right.

[@sparkyastwo]

I am a H-D owner. I am also an Indian owner. I like my H-D (‘20 Street Glide). I LOVE my Indian (‘25 101 Scout)! Just added the S&S slip on. Now I need an intake and tune. Any suggestions? It may be too early for the S&S intake? Regardless of the decisions made by H-D, we as riders need to respect one another and enjoy the freedom that we have… while we still have it. “Merika!”

[@stevenklein1460]

I am hung up just knowing the CEO that is trying to sabotage the brand is banking 40 million a year? That company does not need my money. And the shenanigans that they played doing a cash deal instead of the finance routine was ludicrous. The pressure to buy what you can technically "afford" monthly is really artful. lol

[@PeterCorr-b9n]

This man sounds like a politician. If you wish to fight against the WOKE, it is going to be painful. Just remember, the WOKE will show no mercy!!

[@rogerledlow4970]

Got a paid for ‘21 Street Glide Special. I can assure you I won’t trade it in for another overpriced motorcycle to replace it like Indian.

[@martyv5417]

The Polaris sales lady convinced my not to buy an Indian because she wouldn't take out the "Lifetime Battery Warranty", and GPS tracking device.

[@reppinnpreppin1609]

Do you own a cell phone?

[@martyv5417]

@@reppinnpreppin1609 Why? are you lonely and need someone to talk to?

[@bultacowally]

that makes NO sense pal...

[@johnpapa8681]

I miss my Chris cycle mini bike. What fun I had riding late 60s, early 70s.

[@larry648]

I worked in a bike shop as a side job for years. The best thing to do is try to sell your bike yourself. If the used market gets saturated it drives the price down. It’s simple economics. And yes, I’m on an Indian these day. My last HD had crooked crank they was “in spec” but you couldn’t keep compensators in it.

[@samslade739]

I've been riding Harley since the 60s. Seems like the MoCo has always been at war with their customers. Except for a short period of time in the 80s. I still ride, have several of them. I never once considered riding anything else. Until now!

[@joshrandall5297]

No HD until they fire the CEO.

[@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259]

And fire whoever hired that ceo!

[@bryandow2827]

Good advice, level headed and honest.

[@patrickhumpal8651]

Been a Harley rider for 31 very happy and trouble free years. That said, I hope they bring back the Sportster and rekindle the enthusiasm of loyal riders.

[@eliinthewolverinestate6729]

I have an Indian question. Why is the 101 named 101? It's a 76 c.i. or 1250 c.c. engine. It makes 111 hp. Personally I like small displacement engines that make almost as much power as an engine twice it's size.

[@RidgeRoamer]

@eliinthewolverinestate6729 Pays honor to the original Scout 101 that came out in the 1920's, which was the high performance version of the Scout.

[@johnsumser9743]

So, Harley made reached out to LBGTQ entrepreneurs, donated to United Way, and wanted to increase the diversity of its employees and, I assume, its customer base. I can understand disagreeing with some of what they did but the anger from Harley owners completely baffles me. I have had lots of bikes from different companies and I judge the bikes using motorcycle standards: handling, cost, power, etc. this whole anti-woke movement just underscores that HD owners care more about lifestyle than product quality.

[@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259]

Obviously, hd owners have given up on quality.

[@johnsumser9743]

@@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259 I am not a Harley guy, but I think the quality of their bikes is on par with that of most manufacturers.

[@ronrobertson59]

I been riding my 72 FLH for 34 yrs I don't plan to change now. I do have a 46 Indian Chief and a 98 Evo.

[@KeanonGilliamSlang369]

I used to live Philly. One of my favorite rides is to the York, Pa plant every year to the open house. Those workers bust their butts to build great motorcycles. My concern is for those workers.

[@bluzzjazz]

I was between a Road King and a Springfield four years ago. Always loved the RK and thought I'd end up with one. When I rode the Springfield however, it was game over. It just handled better, was much smoother running and had more power. Mine had stage 2 already done, so maybe not a fair comparison. With this said, I am so happy that I made the choice to go with Indian.

[@FloridaBoilermaker]

Well said, even though the brand is shutting down the small mom and pops for corp, they are still a franchise meaning the dealerships are buying the product from the brand and then selling it. I would imagine Polaris is doing the same.

[@gtsteele6219]

Awesome, heartfelt, realistic presentation. Love HD, Love Indian. You just need to compete, build quality bikes, and let the marketplace decide. Woke=Broke. Just stop.

[@randyvaught2235]

Thanks for the infro. Im thinking about a Indian.

[@chinesecrested9528]

All of my Harleys were pre AMF oil leakers.i liked them all more than the new bikes

[@choose_wisely144]

You must have purchased those bikes in the 60's

[@chinesecrested9528]

@choose_wisely144 yup, 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's. That was only a partial list

[@choose_wisely144]

@chinesecrested9528 harley hasn't been harley since the 60s. So, pre AMF would actually be before 1969

[@chinesecrested9528]

@@choose_wisely144 actually, 1970 was the beginning of the AMF transition

[@markgiles8527]

$40,000,000 per year. That’s eating into the loyal shareholders profits. I’d get out of that company if I was a shareholder.

[@Frank-is9ke]

I once dreamed of getting a harley! Pfff.... Indian is looking better everyday!

[@formerjw3874]

‘Live and learn’ applies to everyone. Harley corporate makes changes and they learn from it. Harley owners do the same. Whether either party makes constructive changes as a result is the real question. I know angry comments are more energizing but life is what it is and it’s not all bad.

[@bobwilkerson9760]

Curious to know how much of the Indian's parts content is made in North America, as compared to how much is made overseas...???

[@RidgeRoamer]

@bobwilkerson9760 85-90% US made for Indians, versus 70-80% for Harleys.

[@leanidis300]

I have 97" FLSTC all detailed out custom and all, I also have a 2018 Truimph Bobber which is a cool lil bike. I haven't abandoned HD but don't see t any reason to trade my FL for a newer HD. At 68yrs old I don't see a ton of years of riding left on my clock so will probably pass my bikes on down to my Son. Mainly because I know i wouldn't get much for my 97" trade in.

[@JohnCunningham-sy5ug]

Test rode a Indian Springfield yesterday it handled great had goobs of torque ergonomics perfect for Me . Harley has to clean house. I plan to move on next summer .

[@davidparker2173]

I'd swap out all branding with my own, keep all the original documentation for resale, but it makes no sense to sell too low.

[@thetiredbiker3652]

been working with my local H-D shop for over a decade now. know the owner, and he's straight up ignoring the woke corporate crap, so i have no issues with my local shop. i hate what's going on with corporate, and very eager for that to change.

[@DB70-tx24]

I have a new 2024 Limited... I'm so upside down I can’t trade, so I'm thinking of putting a motorcycle tag under the license plate tag that reads "I'm not WOKE! My Harley is".

[@JoshuaBenham]

Best post so far

[@donyoung6463]

My son bought a Indian 2 years ago and never regretted it, excellent bike.

[@grandudetonesnob7107]

Wait a minute.. Havent the clientele at the Blue Oyster worn stuff from the Harley "boutiques " since the 80's, but NOW its a problem?

[@jasonparker5687]

Riding my new Indian Scout 101, I love the fact that the overwhelming number of “hey that’s a beautiful bike” being yelled at me at a red light is almost always from a guy on a Harley.

[@noquarter1437]

bullshit

[@nadjasunflower1387]

yup...soon as I can afford it...Looking at the Scout Bobber 60. sweet looking bike in that 50's bobber style. 😍

[@michaelderogatis4658]

OK, I get your point. So, can I ask you something? Is this a good time to buy a Harley??

[@RidgeRoamer]

@michaelderogatis4658 definitely some good deals on Harleys right now

[@jmackinjersey1]

Maybe a used one from an individual or even a non Harley dealership, but not a new one from a Harley Davidson dealership.

[@MrVinnyh]

In the UK (GB) there has been at least 5-6 H/d dealership fold! Mainly according to one HD owers channel due to the way Harley has miss managed it's market! But you have given sound advice to any H/D owner, in other words times will change, I have friends who have both either H/D or Indians (not my style of bike) but I do prefer the Indian, which has moved on with the times a we bit more. One could feel sorry for H/D with upgrades but backlash from older owners. H/D should have said it's time to improve but didn't! H/D is regarded as a overpriced product for a out of date motorcycle, their only so could new bike the Pan America looks like it has born in a garden shed made of dust bin lids, and that's the market I am interested in!

[@destry5250]

I knew there was something wrong with HD when they discontinued the 1200 engine.

[@bultacowally]

Won' t be long before they discontinue all engines...

[@johnknieper232]

Left HD for the brand on your sleeve. One of my best decisions ever. High quality bikes with models that appeal to a wide demographic. Sadly, I’m afraid HD is going to end up as a business school case study as an iconic brand that failed to evolve with the market.

[@dougfaulkner6799]

My local dealer owns the Indian dealership as well. And to top that off, they have a 10k markup on their bikes over msrp. Im about to get out of motorcycles period.

[@catapult182]

Has or does Indian motorcycles compete in any pro stock bike (Nhra) or any plans to?

[@Karrpilot]

There's 3 Indian dealers in my state. There's over 20 Harley Davidson stores. From what I've seen with people trying to get anything done warranty wise with Indian, it's not an easy task. Nor is it a fast return to service. I'm going to wait this one out. If Harley Davidson changes their attitudes and fixes their dealers, I would go with them. Until then, I'll just keep driving by them in my car.

[@Steve-se6id]

yes thats correct. there are more Harley dealers because they beak down all the time and are clearly needed.

[@flechette3782]

I would like it if Indian had a more chopper-esque model like an FXSTS. Everyone is some sort of bagger.

[@EricBUCHHOLZ-dk8ey]

Got any early model Dynas or FXRs? Comment back!

[@davidmann2988]

Huh. Saw this video 2weeks ago. No rereleased apparently

[@craigpennington1251]

The motorcycle industry must get back to basics & customer service with a smile, as it were, on every make & model year that manufacturer made. If not, it's doomed to die.

[@briannone4738]

I own a 2016 Harley Tri Glide Ultra and love it. The company betrayed us but I'm not selling or junking it. I like Indian when I see them but don't know anyone who owns one or after market mechanics to do non factory upgrades

[@RidgeRoamer]

I own one. They are great! Be a trend setter in your friend circle, not a follower.

[@timclark7353]

I wish Indian made a trike. I’m disabled

[@kingarthur1776]

I've seen em

[@SKG1941]

I would recommend contacting several trike companies that do the conversion. I’m sure someone can help you with an Indian.

[@robertemmons2260]

Look up indian motorcycle trike conversions. You'll find that there are many shops out there that can convert your Indian motorcycle into a trike for much less than the price of an H-D trike.

[@williambayliss2367]

I know Metro Milwaukee Indian puts them together.

[@1fromtheroad]

Locally here we have an aftermarket shop that specializes in three wheel conversion systems.

[@kennetheroh4052]

This too shall pass

[@STATION26ADDISON]

Typical of any car dealer or motorcycle dealer yeah we'll give you $11,000 on a $30,000 motorcycle .... and spew their bulshit... I know there's a little bit of leeway but not as much as these dealerships want you to believe they're making all that fat ass cash.... don't ever trust the salesman all they do is spew shit out their mouth

[@jamesward4893]

I had 3 Harley’s prior to this fiasco and I have zero intentions of selling them but I refuse to buy another bike from Harley unless they change their current course but I also refuse to buy an Indian as well, personal reasons.

[@shaun8256]

If ya want a reliable bike Start here- Honda fury-11499 Shadow-8399 Aero-7949 Rebel-from5149to10699 Suzuki-boulevard-9299to14999 Yamaha bolt r-8899 V-star-4699 You have a crap load of option when it comes to a cruiser style bike I ride a single lung thumper and it keeps up with most harley davidsons, that's a 36 horse bush pig keeping up with 68 horse twin cylinder rev to level you eyeballs at a light moped!

[@jcar1417]

My father owned a Harley in the early fifties, never owned one since, still have a 53 chief.

[@vf12497439]

It's a good time to pick up a harley cheap. I have a 21 RGL I paid too much for and I love the bike. I'm not debadging it or getting rid of it. The high interest rates are probably causing more chaos in the market than being said. I would have traded my dodge challenger in this year but with a 760 credit score they offer me an 11% interest rate? Nope.... that and my car has lost $15k of book value because no one wants a 700 hp hot rod.