This and That: All That Skate 2019, Shoma Uno, Evgenia Medvedeva, Yuna Kim, Johnny Weir

[@nataliemizell2632]

Time Stamps 0:33 Jonathan judging Miss New York pageant (in which Dave and Jonathan talk TO each other ABOUT each other using 3rd person?) 17:30 - 47:45 All That Skate 17:45 Yuna, Sandra Bezic, sex appeal of ATS vs FoI 18:30 Lights in audience 18:48 Sandra Bezic: love for pair boys, Sandra vs Lori 20:46 Shae Lynn’s choreography for Nathan 23:55 Gabi and Guillaume’s Oblivion RD at ATS aka LEVELING UP 26:40 - 31:12 PSA coach of the year: Rafael vs Alysa Liu’s coach vs Patrice Lauzon 29:37 brief discussion on Tom Z and Tammy 31:13 Morgan and Vanessa 32:20 Sui / Han - possible changes in sophistication/tracking after working with Katerina Gordeeva and David Peltier 24:18 Eunsoo Lim - future career, Korea pushing her into stardom, tallness 37:25 Yuna Kim - Dark Eyes, lack of jumps 43:07 ATS vs Fantasy on Ice 43:39 younger Korean skaters (Haein Lee, Yelim Kim, Dabin Choi, Young You), also Jun Hwan Cha and other Korean agency, June (4th jumper in men’s group number) 45:51 ATS wrap up, vs slapped-together feel of Stars on Ice 47:45 SHOMA UNO! (the internet has feelings) (mentions: Yamada's coaching, Midori, Mishin, Shoma as a fully baked skater vs deconstructing fundamental technique, "Shoma doesn’t need to be pushed, he needs to be guided.” “If he chose her, then she’s the right one for him.”) 54:25 Benefit of Eteri’s girls changing because of Shoma. 56:21 Eteri vs Borser in women’s AND men’s 58:10 Nuances of Russian nationalism 59:20 Back to Shoma - choreography 1:00:15 - 1:03:45 Choreography briefings (Vincent Zhou, Han Yan, Daisuke, Jason Brown, Donovan Carrillo, Nathan Chen) 1:02:05 Doug Haw judging on Patreon videos 1:03:45 Johnny and Evgenia and social media drama 1:09:20 Netflix skating show with Johnny, Dylan Moscovitch 1:10:33 Bradie Tennell, summer with Mishin 1:13:40 Back to Shoma, Hanyu, Shoma vs Vincent 1:15:20 Satoko’s jumps 1:17:15 Rika vs Elizabet’s quads 1:17:50 Stepanova / Bukin RD 1:18:15 Tony’s 1:19:45 Tonya wins food show

[@olgab4767]

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[@10skyblue]

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[@helim6799]

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[@user-hyuser001]

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[@ozguy22]

Спасибо 🇷🇺❤️

[@SKwan-sh7og]

The jazz finale of ATS 2019 was fabulous! David and Sandra’s choreo for the group numbers was impressive. And I have to say, the star quality of Yuna was above anything else. I almost forgot that since she stopped skating for so long, but the fact that when so many of my favorites, Javier, Shoma, Sui/Han, etc. skated in the same rink, it’s still hard for me to look away from Yuna says everything. Truly THE QUEEN. Plus, the lighting and visuals of ATS were such a high level, way better than other ice shows.

[@jjkaykay8552]

Korean shows have lightsticks. The kpop groups do this, they have official light sticks and fans hold them in the audience to light the audience up. Look it up, different groups will have different colors. It's a very Korean thing.

[@lindaallison5338]

Taylor Swift had braclets at her Reputation tour that lit up in different colours etc. It made a nice effect.

[@kikukoshinchi320]

Just defending Machiko Yamada a bit. She has always considered herself an “outreach” type coach spreading FS to wider public rather than top talent development coach. Her motto is to have her students enjoy skating. She is famous for encouraging parents to get involved because she prefers ‘family’ atmospheres. She only made up her mind to be an international level coach when Midori chose to stay with her despite the federation’s recommendation to a coach in US. She encouraged Mao to go overseas when she surpassed the training level Machiko was able to provide at her public rink. There was no government funded Chukyo University rink in Nagoya yet. I think Machiko is well aware of her limitation and I wouldn’t be surprised if she even encouraged Shoma to leave.

[@Momaters]

Shoma pretty much confirmed that his coaches encouraged him to go in his latest statement to Chunichi. He mentioned that they wanted him to continue to grow

[@dinifroggy]

I agree with you. And I personally believe that her idea about skating is what makes everything around her and Mihoko so very interesting, touching, and different. This is probably what hurts Shoma´s fans the most right now, and believe me, I do not mean that we feel bad because he left... I mean we will miss that... that air of family around them. That trio will always be one of the most beautiful things we have seen in the world of sport. They brought that atmosphere that you talk about into it everytime. I too think that she is the sort of trainer that will help her trainees to fly on their own, and that matters so, so much. Now I am just waiting for Shoma to develop the skills that he still needs. And it was a brave decision to make. I will always thank Machiko, Mihoko and Shoma for the beautiful presence they brought us for so many years. She is the kind of trainer I would have liked to have.

[@janehernandez9237]

Even if yuna kim did not jump in her programs she still did amazing. I loved her expression and movements. Yuna is a humble person for coming back to ice so other skaters can get recognized. Yuna did not have to come back and skate but she did it so figure skating can still be popular in south korea and for other south Korean skaters like eunsoo to become more popular.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

She still has star quality with jumps or without!

[@JosedeJezeus]

Yuna is skating again because the Koreans put so much pressure on her. Her people will turn on her if she doesn't give them what she wants.

[@janehernandez9237]

@@JosedeJezeus they would not turn their back on her. In south Korea she is an icon. She is more popular than kpop idols. Koreans love yuna kim no matter what.

[@raffigorski6850]

And the Koreans love their 2015 Chopin Piano Competition winner, Seong Jin Cho. My in law is Korean.

[@malafunkshun8086]

This year’s All That Skate was fantastic! I really hope to go to one of these one day and see Yuna perform live! 😊❤️🌸🤙🏼

[@melannca-v4v]

Yuna wins for best show of the off season. My favorite routine she did was "Issues"

[@biakhlua2291]

@mish098aimer me too..I was excited for Dark Eyes but Issues turned out to be better 😀

[@trifonovfan9819]

She wins hands down for the prettiest girl.

[@hellsbellsmichelle]

(My daughter attended their Ice + Dance Seminar in London during the last week of May). I was lucky enough to meet Gabriella and Guillaume (and Lewis Gibson too). Let me tell you, Gabriella is as beautiful, graceful, elegant and powerful as she looks. And at the same time, she's funny, frivolous and down to earth. On ice, she has an air of grace and no matter who else shares that ice, your eye is always drawn to her. Off ice (and in the car park), she's witty and charming, and it was so nice that she was the person instigating the conversation! Her sense of style and elegance is almost Grace Kelly or Audrey Hepburn-esque in that her hair, make-up, nails, styling is understated but at the same time, elegance personified. My daughter (who turned 14 yesterday) and she has a new feminine icon. Gaby taught my daughter a couple of "signature moves" (one-on-one) that my daughter is putting into her programme. The influence of such a wonderful human being cannot be understated. Guillaume is just the most beautiful man god ever created. (and he's probably the only man in the world my own husband would leave me for)!

[@emilytan4223]

Love that Yuna Kim is back skating!!!😄😄😄

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Emily Tan

[@malafunkshun8086]

Yuna is awesome 😊❤️🌸🤙🏼

[@aracelichely2954]

I know! 😍 The queen is so awesome! :'D

[@kissesandcream123]

I have to Agree All That Skate came up to be such a beautiful show, one of the ice show I will keep rewatching! Everyone was beautiful and mesmerizing! And all Hail to the Queen for her comeback! Pls make it happened for an ice show with the King & Queen: Yuzuru & Yuna!

[@origamis9477]

I'm proud of Shoma's decision if he does stay with Eteri. I am worried but I thought he will stay and end in the comfort zone (Japan) so I like this. It must had been very frustrating that he did not get the gold(s) that he could've. Nathan (US) does training in US, Yuzuru (JPN) does training in CAN, and now Shoma (JPN) does training in RUS .... I haven't gotten as intrigued by the mens field in the past. I am looking forward to this.

[@moondim7]

I agree I mean it's his decision, sometimes life is about taking risks, the japfed probably gave him more options but he's decided Eteri so we'll see if it works or not but at least he'll try and it'll help him to get out of his confort zone like you say

[@Xosidhe]

I gotta say, my initial reaction was mild horror, but now I’m just excited to see it play out next season. I love Shoma, but he is a always bit predictable in competition, so I hope there is some kind of big change coming.

[@rrenatabp]

I'm a bit scared because eteri isn't exactly famous for any of her male students plus there's the language barrier (idk how good either of their english is and I doubt shoma knows russian or eteri japanese) but i'm sure this will be an exciting thing to see play out.

[@gtestkey]

Well he already has a flutz, so he definitely will fill at home there.

[@yunilius7193]

I just want to see a new concept of choreo for Shoma

[@いぬ-f9f4r]

korean shows are for young audience. the japanese shows are for middle age women. thats why the music choice and costume choice are always odd and aged in faoi.

[@squirrel7303]

I don't think Yuna and Hanyu will ever do a show together. It would be like two supernovas at the same place and a nightmare to get tickets. For years Mao and Hanyu have not been in the same show, I guess because its counterproductive for organizers to have your two biggest stars for the same price when you can rake in with 2 separate shows. Once Hanyu reached his fame he took over FaOI from Shizuka as the main star till it became "Hanyu and friends" but it's not clear how much influence he has on the production of it. He will probably make his self produced show when he retires. Also, some korean Yuna fans strangely are bitter about Hanyu getting his 2nd OGM while Yuna was negated hers and there's all that japan/korea rivalry. This didn't stop Shoma from getting invited to ATS at all, but Hanyu and Yuna are both national icons so this could be an issue. Hanyu fans might not like him having to share the spotlight, same for Yuna fans. Maybe they're better off doing their own thing. I think the only way would be if Javier invites both to his show, then it could work and it would be great. Still a ticket nightmare though.

[@squirrel7303]

@@shk9035 Yes, It would be too much chaos. I don't know the details about that 4CC issue. Was this the national anthem problem that led korean fans to use gifs of him playing with other skaters to 'prove' that he was harassing them and had a terrible personality? Yuna going to Japan wouldn't work, neither would Hanyu going to Korea. It could maybe work only if both were guests in another country and that's a big if. Hanyu mentioned Yuna only once at an interview when he was in juniors because he liked how her jumps were seamless with the choreography and part of a big picture and funny enough that's a feature he's also been known for. Then he never mentioned her again, probably because of the Mao x Yuna rivalry. Even Wakaba Higuchi got heat for saying that Yuna was her idol, even more when she did her James Bond free program.

[@coletterobichaud3465]

A show only needs one diva!

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Stars on Ice in the U.S. used to have all of the huge stars in the 90s. It is what made the show so fantastic.

[@PeiwenTanbassoon821]

we need Javi to invite everyone!

[@Essylte]

I thought about this as well. While it would be the Crowning Moment of every Yuzu/Yuna fans' dream come true, there are a lot of factors that have to be taken into account with these shows. Because Yuzuru is still competing, he can't go to Javi's ice show (though I have a feeling he would definitely do it when he's retired and has more time). All That Skate is held at the same time as Fantasy on Ice in Japan, so there's scheduling conflicts. I imagine these two biggest stars of figure skating would definitely make the sport even more popular and well-known to the world if they ever did participate in the same ice-show.

[@Angel-xe2tl]

I feel like Shoma will get a lot of attention since she doesnt have any boys that would be huge competition against them

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Angel and he is a star with plenty of money!

[@KoraimaLynn]

@@TheSkatingLesson por supuesto, está en la planilla de Toyota Corp. aparte lo que ha ganado en el año y en el WTT puede pagarse el entrenador sin problemas.

[@tb4522]

I think so too!

[@queenredspecial]

I think Johnny was right to post that. Bullies should be called out. Also, it's good for non-skaters to see what can happen to skaters, so they can relate.

[@maryelle1927]

I feel the same

[@rop888]

Especially with how nasty the FS fandom has been lately. And Johnny has first hand knowledge how some of these fans behave when they think their idol is being slighted even if he's not

[@tonytony8747]

Bullies should be called out. So call out Donald T.

[@queenredspecial]

I don't think he is a skating fan. At least, I hope not. :)

[@trifonovfan9819]

Donald=bully and racist.

[@lhjzlvksk]

i'm just a mid aged woman in japan. but i want to see the show like korean ATS not japanese FaOI. ATS was well-made. and nathan's performed shirt-works so refined mood.

[@killermemequeen6045]

Love this! So happy to see Yuna skating again! Speaking of which, when will we see the final episode of Was Yuna Robbed? Thanks for all your hard work guys 😊

[@JosedeJezeus]

Yuna is skating again? She must need the money

[@TheSkatingLesson]

If someone commissions it. Our commissioned videos are taking priority.

[@kdcm6690]

@@JosedeJezeus She gives a lot to charity.

[@aracelichely2954]

@@JosedeJezeus Someone does not know ANYTHING about Yuna's profit outside skating, I'm sorry that your comment only makes you look like an ignorat ^^U

[@aracelichely2954]

@@TheSkatingLesson So what does it need to be commissioned? I would love to see that episode too

[@arhamimov1472]

The lights in ATS are called lightsticks. In South Korea, when you come to an event if the popularity level is high they have their own lightstick color. Yuna probably has her own unique color. She is the queen of figure skating still in her country. Popular Kpop groups have it not only in official colors but also official designs. Its really interesting. The more the lights the bigger the support. Good to know Yuna got the sea of lights she deserved.

[@karolyn147]

@@shk9035 You can see people holding lightsticks in the videos.

[@이슬기-u8d]

It was a phone flashlight I was there. Only kpop idols have the stick. It's a culture of korean audience to turn on the phone flashlight to cheer and enjoy concert

[@arhamimov1472]

Whether its a lightstick or a phone flashlight I am so happy the support on Yuna receiving full support.

[@shetae3865]

it was a phone flashlight tho, but still it was heartwarming and made the opening sooo much cooler T^T

[@cinthiastephanielizarragan3949]

47:43 Shoma Uno and Eteri

[@fotomagrol]

I am exited of the idea of Shoma Uno at eteri camp...this is really interesting...

[@grisgris6908]

I'm excited too, I think it's always a benefit for skaters to go to different coaching, even if just temporary. Shoma has all the goods, if she can improve his consistency, it would be great.

[@olgab4767]

@@grisgris6908 I believe, she is the most motivated coach in the world to bring him to Gold. I am excited.

[@grisgris6908]

Olga B Eteri is definitely motivated! But he is too, so I’m excited to see how he develops.

[@ramitodevioletas575]

Ross : I love to see Shona and Alina skating together, look cute😍

[@olgab4767]

@@ramitodevioletas575 definitely :)

[@sami16167]

Guys......Shae choreographed Hanyu’s last four free skates. Including seimei!!! She’s done the exact type of program you’re describing she hasn’t lol

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Those programs don’t scratch the surface of what we are discussing. Those programs are more performance-based than soulful (like a Joshua Farris ‘Schindler’s List’ program).

[@sami16167]

TheSkatingLesson whether it was successful or not isn’t really relevant honestly? The point is they, hope and legacy especially, were attempts attempts at that kind of program.

[@rrenatabp]

@@sami16167 maybe they don't get it because hope and legacy is souful in a very japanese way? in my opinion h&l is one of the most souful programs out there lol

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Sam H actually whether they were successful kind of is the point!

[@sami16167]

TheSkatingLesson if that’s the point then don’t frame your conversation as shae’s the choreographer you go to for energetic pop programs, she hasn’t really tried anything else. maybe try “shae has done this and it kinda sucked, but maybe another skated can bring it out of her next time!”

[@eulaibarra1162]

ATS 2020 😍😍😍

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Eula Ibarra 🔥🥇💯🙏

[@coconutgelato7459]

Remember that time TheSkatingLesson hypothesized that ATS and Eunsoo faked her incident with Mariah Bell in order to sell tickets to that struggling ATS ice show? You know the one that was completely sold out and managed to book a foreign cast of 2019 Euro, 4CC, and World GOLD medalists ONLY (one of them being Raf's student Nathan Chen, in fact) and national icon Yuna herself? And then remember how they gassed themselves up over it like it was the greatest conspiracy theory human minds have ever concocted? yeah, I remember acutely. : )

[@rop888]

Well, that conspiracy theory was kind of silly. It's more likely it was done to boost Eunsoo herself and Yuna shouldn't have been dragged into. I don't remember seeing anything coming from that horrible bullying she endured though? No other information? The proof that was supposed to be coming? I remeber acutely as well. And funny how Marin Honda and other young skaters all get along really with everyone at Team Raf. Just one exception. Wonder what's up with that?

[@coconutgelato7459]

paradoxical Everyone is great to Marin because she’s very well connected and a potential in for getting invited to ice shows and events. And according to other Japanese skaters and coaches, she doesn’t work as hard as she should. Whereas Eunsoo has been reported to be very focused in practice, the same isn’t said of Marin, honestly. Marin socializes a lot more with others at the rink than Eunsoo for this reason. I’m not trying to be shady, but several Japanese skating people have said this. American skating stans are quick to accuse Eunsoo of being jealous/bitchy/conniving, but her interactions with the other South Korean girls are nothing if not supportive. They’re all the same age fighting to represent their small federation, but they’re all very good friends and very supportive of one another. I don’t think that fits this Team Raf narrative that Eunsoo is bitch. She just spends her actual rink time in LA working?? Like she should be?? It’s obvious that ATS released a public press release because KSU wasn’t going to make a claim with the ISU. ATS tried to force KSU’s hand into making a complaint. After worlds, Eunsoo released her own personal statement that she didn’t want to anyone to blame anyone else and that she wanted to put it behind her. At that point ATS finally listened to their client. If Eunsoo hadn’t specifically said that she wanted to leave the incident behind her, ATS might have said more, but they had to do what their client wanted.

[@coconutgelato7459]

paradoxical inversely, Yuzu at tcc keeps to himself and spends his time at the rink exclusively focused on training. I don’t see anyone coming after him for being an asshole because he doesn’t spend his time there socializing? The whole Eunsoo is bitchy thing is sooo gendered and messed up, not to mention the fact that she moved to a brand new country to train at 15 years old, so it’s highly probable that she might be shy and standoffish because of that as well. 🤷‍♂️

[@rop888]

@@coconutgelato7459 Interesting you are whinging about bullying of Eunsoo while spreading negative rumors about Marin Honda. There are tons of skaters, some you've never heard of, with Raf. And they all get along and hang out. There has never been an issue except for this one skater and the issue was quickly dropped once people came out and said they were no separate locker rooms and everyone worked fine together. If the "attack" was as exaggerated as the "bullying" then I'm pretty sure it was made up for publicity reasons. I don't think Eunsoo is a bitch or the issue. But her agency sure did look for an opening to try to advance her career.

[@Frooti.loopz23]

They never said it was fake... they posted the video and asked for people's opinions.

[@hana-mf8jf]

Shoma💜💜

[@biari8599]

So Sandra fell for Nathan Chen? Him as a person or as a dancer and how he moves on the ice?

[@meaganbooks179]

he took Ballet training and he classic Penia too

[@biari8599]

@@meaganbooks179 Yeah I know he did :) and even if I didn't, it's totally obvious in the way he moves, especially his port de bras when compared to other skaters, who don't even come close

[@rachelchang9623]

Btw Soyoun Park who also performed in ATW announced her retirement!

[@aleexandraa56]

17:30 they start speaking about skating

[@DD-d6d3]

Thank you!

[@eyesthere]

thanks lol

[@funkyfreshwizardry]

bless you

[@yunilius7193]

Lol

[@keikoyamada27]

LOL. Evgenia even liked a fan comment saying that it’s done by crazy Hanyu fans! Isn’t that trying to create more drama and attention. Well she really shouldn’t have done that! But Anyway Alina skated to her new EX in the recent ice show so Guess what ! They announced the program and after a few days Alina was in Japan for the ice show , it’s pretty obvious they had confirmed the music and choreography way before....They obviously did not picked the music bcos someone else said it was her favourite music. 😂

[@maryelle1927]

I can belive that people are using that letter to attack her again ....haters have no stop if it was another skater...btw it seems johnny weir was attacked too for being gay in his day ...just disgusting

[@flywings111]

@LaB You don't know who's behind all those accounts on IG. There hundreds of fake accounts on twitter and IG that have profile pic of Yuzu and it seems they are fans, but then they post/tweet the most hateful things about him and/or about other skaters. Social media is crazy. The "yuzuhatesevgenia" account (+ all other accounts by the same user) is most likely one of those accounts that were created not by a Yuzu fan but a Zhenya anti. They just drag in Yuzu and use his name.

[@maryelle1927]

But imagine being so hateful to the point to think that EM likes to be hated to give herself attention people are NUTS

[@nenavujicin7882]

Evgenia didn't say anything or liked it-Johnny Weir published this scary message on his twitt account ;she just thanked to Johnny,nothing else. Your cpmment sounds strange.

[@maryelle1927]

Welcome to the #letshatethisskaterjustbecausetrainwreck ....is imposible to not simpatice

[@letitiakearney2423]

Been waiting on this all weekend

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@whatsupclouds]

I hadn't thought of Johnny's actions to publicize the hate letter Evgenia got as a reach for positive attention at himself. I genuinely think Evgenia is done with haters, especially after the silly drama with the Billie Eillish song. She's still attacked for it even though Alina and her have been seen dining together / interacting. Whatever drama there was they've clearly moved on. That or, it seems her and Johnny have gotten close so she could have let him just go with it considering Johnny once "pledged" to help younger skaters after the horrible comments he got during his Olympic skate for being gay. Granted his hate comments were directed at his sexual orientation, but still, hate nonetheless.

[@moondim7]

I hope it's true that the drama between Evgenia & Alina has been forgoten, yeah when I saw those pictures of them sitting together at a restaurant I really felt glad and happy, both girls don't deserve the hate they've been thru... Actually nobody but the thing is that fandoms are pretty toxic !! There's still like a little war between them in which they write more negativity towards the skater they don't like instead of just supporting their favorite one... Oh wish the dramas come to an end but also FS has become like a business, almost type of celebrities one so ...

[@mix4715]

I m sorry but i have been busy with school after worlds. What about the billie eilish thing ?

[@moondim7]

@@mix4715 🙄 Ugh well long story short: On Alina's bday Daniil posted on Instagram a pic of him & Alina announcing her new Ex to that ugly song , later Zhenya started to post insta stories about that song like to show that she said in an interview that she wanted to skate to it and her fans started to bully Alina calling her copycat etc but the thing that fired up everything is when people saw that Zhenya was liking those offensive comments towards Alina... Also Daniil answered a Evfan and said that he didn't saw that interview and he had the music for the programs during vacations so ... That was the drama

[@mix4715]

@@moondim7 .. i still dont get the problem here, so should the song reserve only for zhenya or what ? Is there a rule that individual skaters couldnt have the same song in one season in russia ? Is it "bad guy " ?

[@moondim7]

@@mix4715 Yeah that's what a lot of people would comment that she doesn't own the rights for that song, that she should have announce it sooner or that if she really wants to skate it then just do it, in competition season some skate to the same song why not in an Ex program?! But you know it goes deeper than that... I wish that this stupid rivalry ends because anyways next season sadly I feel that they won't be on top anymore, maybe Iam wrong we'll see

[@cheryldee9240]

Since most comments here are in support of Shoma's going to Eteri, I apparently stand alone in my objections and I hope like hell Shoma will only attend Eteri's Summer Camp but decided to go elsewhere for a full time coach. Yes, Shoma is a slight man, but to quote Kevin Hart, he's a grown-ass little man, and has no place in Eteri's school for little girls! I will still love Shoma whatever his decision (after I stop vomiting), but I find the whole idea a personal affront and a downright insult! 😡 😤 Love you too, Jonathan! You are a saint!

[@cheryldee9240]

@@evanperilstein5308 and I don't think you realize that there's at least 10 other coaches globally who might help stabilize his jumps *without* destroying his confidence and self-esteem that will happen if he joins the frigid ice empress and her magical jumping beans. If Mie Hamada can help Vincent Zhou with his jumps and skating skills, then why not Shoma?

[@ささパンダ-b4j]

Cheryl Dee What you are saying is right! However, leaving his long-term related coaches for another rival femail coach would be too hash for his old coaches, and Shoma doesn't want to hurt anyone.

[@cheryldee9240]

@@ささパンダ-b4j さ、そうですね。。。でも！Didn't Shoma say his coaches pushed him off to find a better coach? Now, whose fault would it be if the best coach for him is right next door? Thankfully, Shoma has said he will go coach-less for a while and take his time finding a new coach. So all this fuss may be for nothing, unless the ice queen decides to be nice for 7 weeks, just to get her icy grip on him! 😁😁

[@ささパンダ-b4j]

Cheryl Dee Logical, you are right. His ex- coaches may have pushed his back, but it doesn't mean that they don't mind him leaving for their rival coach, who is also femail and similar age as Ms. Higuchi. I imagine that Ms. Higuchi would be very annoyed and shocked if she saw Shoma and Ms. Hamada's hug.

[@cheryldee9240]

@@ささパンダ-b4j Honestly, I can't see anyone getting upset with Shoma. Do you think Ms. Higuchi would be happier to see the Russians get all the credit for the hard work she and Ms. Yamada have done with him since he was 5 years old? Because you know that is exactly what the Russians would do should he improve -- claim it was their superior technique, and then comment about how bad his technique was when he came to them. C'mon, you know! This is why they are so upset with Medvedeva for going outside of Russia...because no one's technique is more superior than theirs! Have you seen this pic? instagram.com/p/BwhOLEqnJfe/ I think it might be kind of cool to see these two training at the same rink.

[@BillyWhaler]

Big time shout out to Eunsoo Lim’s team. Last year they sent a 15 year old out on the ice to tell the story of Chicago. This season they have her skating to Make Me Feel in the gala where she sells the story of sexual benders. If the local high school drama club or dance team tried this it would be a point of contention at the next PTA meeting.

[@benbailey159bb]

I don't think Shoma is ever going to challenge Hanyu and Nathan. His jump technique is not good and his skating is very two-footed.

[@ささパンダ-b4j]

Ben Bailey Shoma's skating skill is still better than Yuzu and Nathan. Shoma's suprer well engaged and controled edges makes greater stability and smoothness than the others.

[@henni1475]

@@ささパンダ-b4j "Shoma's skating skill is still better than Yuzu": When it comes to better acceleration and top speed across the ice, less two-foot-skating and best long gliding on one foot, deeper edges and curves, Yuzu is ahead of the two in all departments. If you have your doubts, watch this practice clip: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nnOqmoaejbt0apY

[@rop888]

The judges clearly love Shoma though. He just gives them no reason to actually put him above people like Nathan or Yuzu, but they sure like to help him out. That bad technique constantly gets massive GOE.

[@benbailey159bb]

@@ささパンダ-b4j no Shoma lacks control which is why he constantly goes on to two feet to stabilize himself

[@ささパンダ-b4j]

@@henni1475 I guess you are not figure skating professionals. There are two skating skill legends I know, one is Patrick Chan and the other is Takahiko Kozuka, who both rated Shoma's skating highly. And Daisuke Takahashi and Tatuki Machida also admire Shoma's skating. Kozuka and Takahashi rated Shoma's skating higher than Yuzu. I watched the video of Yuzu's practicing video you sent me, which didn't impress me much. For example, looking at Yuzu's Eagle there, he was chiseling the ice litteraly and looked slow and didn't look smooth at all. Compare to Shoma’s great eagle in his last season 'Moon light`, the difference is clear. Shoma's eagle is much smoother and faster without any effort. It was breathtaking and magnificent. I also remember Yuzu's shaky twizzle in the SP in the WC 2019. Yuzu seemed to struggle with egde controle, on the other hand, Shoma's twizzle is always stable and smooth. I believe that superiority of Shoma's skating skill is common understanding among professionals (many skaters, coaches all over the world). On the other hand, I never heard any skating specialist like Patrick Chan and Kozuka especially prased Yuzu' s skating skills. If you have any infomation, please let me know. Even Yuzu won Japanese Championship in 2013 first time, his skating skill wasn't regarded top 3 at the time. Yuzu's skating is great, but I recon that Yuzu's strenght and charm of his skating skill is rather in his very complicated and difficult steps, than smoothness and beauty of stroks.

[@lauragarciajuarez3446]

Evgenia organizes hate speech contests, likes comments that insult Zagitova. It is unacceptable that she receives these messages but I think she must mature in her social networks. This looked like a great media play

[@ramitodevioletas575]

Laura García Juárez : Evgenia Is not intelligent , she in so immature.

[@annystasia]

"likes comments that insult Zagitova" - no she doesn't? and she never did? I am russian and I follow the drama here and there since I like the sport a lot. And I've never seen any hateful comment that Zhenya liked about Alina. I guess it's a lie, unless you can give an example.

[@aspannas]

stop spreading lies without any proof.

[@zb6070]

And one more thing. Could Tarasova be making Shoma get Russian support so Russian fans can treat Shoma as a defacto Russian skater, since Russia has no strong men at the current moment and Shoma could essentially be that defacto man. He could deflect the lack of Russian men talent (although this could change in a few years).

[@gtestkey]

Fans in Russia are divided into Yuzuru and Nathan camps right now, just as the rest of the world I guess.

[@yunilius7193]

Japan is never going to allow that lol

[@zb6070]

I don’t think japan would Mind. Shoma would still be a Japanese skater but Russian fans could treat him as one of there own. It’s not like Japan media can prevent Russian media from saying stuff

[@annfotlyan8655]

Yay, another video. Love these, keep on!

[@meaganbooks179]

Nathan is very special especially doing alot things outside of skating when he was young child like strong Ballet Background, Gymnatsic, Panoa sorry not a good speller and Hocky while did skating and education as a young age now he is added Yale and skating to focas outside of the skating that's probly why got better last season he's on the ice less

[@raffigorski6850]

Don't know why news about Nathan don't seem to get much traction on this forum. Commercially, he has more endorsements than every other current American skater, by far.

[@theacm4741]

Thanks Dave and Jonathan for an hour and 1/2 break from my books and papers. 😅

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Thea CM you’re welcome!!

[@maxbensen8783]

LOVE this show!! Replayed it during lunch-break for my workmates (in Australia so amazon.com.au details pls) & they're now all fans. Please do a Pageant Lesson! As the terrified child musician I once was, Jonathon would have been the kindest judge. As an endurance-parent, Dave would be my no.1 pick for audience survival. You guys are a treat, thanks!

[@lindaallison5338]

Good to see the Aussie fan base expanding!

[@clairefrombreakfastclub]

Dave is definitely Reese Witherspoon. Jonathan, on the other hand, is more of a Zoe Kravitz X Laura Dern. Living for skating and BLL.

[@goldburnm]

Been looking forward to this. Thanks guys!

[@TheSkatingLesson]

goldburnm

[@brianr.3085]

I thought Yuna was practicing jumps though. Didn't Sandra say she was during rehearsals for Javi's show a few months ago? I don't really need the jumps to enjoy her skating but it would've been icing on the cake. Maybe she doesn't feel confident enough with them, she did say she felt "extremely nervous" for her show.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Brian R. She was practicing in December, yes.

[@sarahmoellenberg]

In all seriousness, how do we change the culture in the skating fandom so there aren't death threats, horrible comments, and the like if people don't like something? There is no need to be hateful when expressing dislike.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

it is much bigger than skating.

[@sarahmoellenberg]

@@TheSkatingLesson Oh I know. However, solving humanity's nonsense seems a bit overwhelming for a Monday night, so I thought I'd start on a smaller scale.

[@maryelle1927]

I can belive people now are accusing EM of wanting attention for that letter .Hate can take you anywhere

[@nenavujicin7882]

@@TheSkatingLesson ,yes,but there is no excuse for that scary message (wrote by fake "fan") I've never forget what happened with Monika Seles,tennis player who represent my country-Yugoslavia that time-some crazy fan of Steffi Graf hurt Monika with the knife.

[@maryelle1927]

Omg really nooo i hope she is never directly attacked

[@moondim7]

TO me Faoi is stronger when it comes to skaters, their fame, personality, level ... If only Yuna and Nathan also the french were too on that show 😍 !!! But I have to admit that Yuna's show looked pretty awesome talking about production, set, clothes, hope next year they change the dates of both tours so at each one Faoi & ATS all the important elite skaters can be together and I bet that they'd need to open more tour dates because it will be too much demand to see all the star skaters 💫💫💫💫💫💫 Just imagine Yuna& Yuzuru together OMG !!!! ♥️

[@janehernandez9237]

I disagree, Yuna's show was stronger. She had top skaters and the whole show was amazing

[@いぬ-f9f4r]

if yuna comes to skate in japan, she will receive more death threats than zenya. there still are lot of crazy anti yuna in japan and even the japanese media was anti yuna during competition with mao. really, non skating fans in japan believes that yuna is hated around the world and all the gold medals she got deserves to mao. they are crazy. of course true skating fans in japan respects yuna but its still too dangerous.

[@shineluvslambiel]

Faoi had a stronger cast if you count the number of name brands, yes, but the quality of the production of ATS is just stunning.

[@moondim7]

I still need to watch the show ATS I haven't but from what I saw at Instagram it looked great !! 💫 Yes the quality of production, and sad, unbelievable that Japanese people hate someone, to me they are the nicest persons but there's always exceptions of course everywhere , time has passed then Mao should be on the show too and have a moment together so fans relax a little bit

[@AliG-gw1kh]

Oof, the thought of Shoma with Eteri makes me nauseous, but I guess he’s sort of backed into a corner with where he could go. Is it totally impossible that he would do a tryout at TCC? Yuzu’s had competition in the rink before with Javi, and it worked, but I’m not the expert. Shoma is a very charming brand of chaotic

[@tb4522]

Um, Raf?

[@maryelle1927]

No Raf said that Nathan is his main priority

[@coletterobichaud3465]

@@tb4522 raf also has gogolev now

[@maryelle1927]

Wow really what happened to lee his coach ?

[@rop888]

Orser is too busy and he wouldn't be the top male student there. Same with Raf. With Eteri, she would for sure pour everything into training him.She has tons of tiny little girl champions who literally destroy everyone, but you know she wants an adult men's champion to beat the best of the best like Nathan and Yuzu.

[@mjdecoteau5246]

I just had to check one more time before turning out my light! Yay!

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Hope you love it!

[@animegirlnamedDani]

Hey Dave and Johnathan, I’m a huge Miss America fan/competitor who (when I have the time), LOVE watching all of the State competitions (pageants 😂🙄). So if either of you ever want the information for any live-streams, I’d love to send them your way!!

[@TheSkatingLesson]

E S please do!

[@grisgris6908]

Dave, your faceography starting at 12:45 was next level!

[@zjozefowicz]

Shoma announced he plans to have no coach this season, and instead use this year to find one. The thing with Eteri is just a summer camp.

[@caprisun4883]

Zuzanna Józefowicz he said he wouldn’t have a problem coaching himself if he needed to, but is still till open to working with a coach this season

[@coletterobichaud3465]

Eteri is going to give him ALL the attention and try and get him to stay, I bet.

[@rop888]

I doubt it. He's just saying that in case he can't stand working with Eteri, which could happen I guess.

[@maryelle1927]

No he is moving with Eteri

[@n01n01z]

so excited to listen to this before bed !!

[@TheSkatingLesson]

[@janehernandez9237]

I think Morgan and Yuna look Hot together 😍 They should date. The way they smiled at each other, when Morgan was about to carry Yuna was so romantic 🥰

[@eulaibarra1162]

I feel the chemistry 😁😍😍😍

[@yolandapolite6974]

No

[@raffigorski6850]

You all know nothing about Korean women and their love interests. He is not her type.

[@judynelson5038]

Yuna is already dating a Korean soccer player. He is a lot more interesting than Morgan. Both are cute.

[@janehernandez9237]

@@judynelson5038 which soccer player

[@danwoods2175]

I was gonna leave a snarky comment, but you took the wind out of my sails there. So I guess take this whatever comment.

[@TimSirin]

Omg, can’t wait to listen to this. Better be all good things about yuna. Or this yunabot will come after y’all

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Tim Sirin

[@coletterobichaud3465]

Yunabot😂

[@aracelichely2954]

Whyyyy whyyyy do you wrote that Tim?! Do you want to start something? Do you want to provoque them? Don't be that awful person please! :/

[@TimSirin]

Dave, David Wilson gets credit for Yuna's cool twizzle with the arms. He gave that to Yuna last year in her house of woodcock program: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b6uuY5xsqJWahdU&t=165 Sorry for being a Yunabot

[@andrialawrence964]

Dave.. your Doug Haw voice reminds me of a male version of Janice from FRIENDS...:D

[@TheGymnast71]

Let us know when the Netflix show starts

[@JosedeJezeus]

Mao Asada almost had a lutz edge jump at the end of her career. Go watch Mao FS Japan Nats 2016

[@brettmayer247]

If Eteri was able to fix Serafima Sakhanovich's landings, she could definitely help Shoma with his!

[@maryelle1927]

Serafima was always a good skater though...

[@lawr17]

I was going to recommend that you guys catch a Cirque du Soleil show in Vegas but after you clown comments, nevermind! Actually Zumanity is sexy and LGBT-friendly and funny. Go see that!

[@RakuRadio]

I followed the "pageant" on IG and I got so involved! LOL. I was waiting for the updates!!!

[@TheSkatingLesson]

kats555

[@FalvyPollard]

How about a pageant where raw sex appeal is the main focus?

[@JosedeJezeus]

No, you pervert

[@breadsummiko4862]

16:34 Skating talk starts lol

[@seleneh7675]

I think actually the "controversy" (if you want to call it that) generated by the letter is more similar to some of the reactions after Dave and Cristine Brennan decided to retweet/talk about that the J.C. thing in January than to the Mariah Bell-EunSoo debacle. TO CLARIFY, I AM NOT SAYING THE SITUATIONS THAT GAVE RISE TO THE REACTIONS ARE THE SAME - IT IS OBVIOUS THEY ARE DIFFERENT - THAT'S COMMON SENSE. I am saying that there were some misdirected anger/passionate response against Dave and Cristine - accusing them of nasty things (and threatening?). In my opinion, Dave and Cristine did the right thing, regardless of the negative reaction/publicity it invited.

[@elccollins99]

About Shoma & Eteri: how many hours per day do you think her students spend on the ice?

[@maryelle1927]

3 to 4 kostornaia said on ice....off ice 3

[@corgeousgeorge]

Dave is TOTALLY the Reese Witherspoon character! Unfortunately I relate most to the principal of the school in the series ha ha!

[@crystaldoherty8791]

Can you please review pageants more often?? This is epic!! And I say that as a short girl with split ends :P

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Crystal Doherty

[@lindatatum8921]

Yuzuru Hanyu Fantasy on Ice show is Number One this year. Has something for everyone

[@PeiwenTanbassoon821]

In comparison with Yuna’s height I think Eunsoo did grow a little taller but not very much.

[@bakedpotato6653]

Eunsoo said that she is 164 cm tall.

[@PeiwenTanbassoon821]

@mish098aimer She has been growing only little by little and I feel her growth rate has slowed down compared to the past few years so I don't think we need to worry about her becoming too tall all the sudden. I do worry about Haein Lee who's younger and is already quite tall.

[@PeiwenTanbassoon821]

@mish098aimer I don't think she'll attempt quads nor do I think she should. What she needs to do is to improve her skating skill, refine her performing ability, and be consistent with the jumps she can already do.

[@davidandrusia137]

You skipped right over the Mallory Hagan controversy. I loved her as Miss NY and want to know more! What does she have to do with The Gretch?

[@AudreySu13]

5:36 “that girl became the equivalent of the beautiful skater that doesn’t make you feel anything” THE ZAGITOVA SHADE HAD ME QUAKING

[@moondim7]

Haters because Alina apart from being beautiful she's won everything ! It's very curious that for some reason it makes mad some people they can't stand it... How would you call that... ???

[@coletterobichaud3465]

@@moondim7 I think it's because people are allowed to have opinions. Just because she's won everything doesn't mean everyone needs to enjoy her skating. I respect her as a skater and feel happy for her that she wins - but I still personally find her skating dull and would be entitled to say that on any video I would make. Just as you're entitled to say you like her skating. No need to be mad. Plurality of opinions is a good thing!

[@maryelle1927]

I though about mai mihara too and is one of my fav sooo careful with her ...they didnt said nothing about zagitova

[@TheSkatingLesson]

I don’t think Jonathan was referencing any skater in particular. It was a general statement.

[@AudreySu13]

TheSkatingLesson oh, i thought the “zero personality” comment earlier seemed to make it clear it was zagitova since you guys have said that on an earlier episode when comparing the differences between eteri girls

[@seleneh7675]

But why not that letter? Why not this time? What constitutes a "proper time" to call out hate? I think what made this particular instance different from the usual, run of the mill hate that Evgenia, or any other skater for that matter, unfortunately receives, is that there was no way for Evgenia to avoid reading the letter. It was in the box that's supposed to be for fan gifts. Sure, there's plenty other more despicable messages sent her way through social media - many in the comments of your videos, in fact. But those messages, one assumes to see in this day and age of social media, or avoid seeing by not reading them. In a perfect world, there wouldn't be any hate messages. But they exist - there are plenty of people with no better things to do, apparently. Hate is a hater's own misfortune. Now if any other skater who witnessed Evgenia actually reading the letter wants to call out that whomsoever wrote the letter, then I do not really see anything wrong with it. As you mentioned, Johnny was also a recipient of this kind of rude behavior of certain skating "fans" - maybe he identified with the situation, maybe he was just protecting Evgenia (they seem to be very friendly), or maybe a part of Johnny thought doing so could put him a good light - people could have many motivations. However, should that really overshadow the bigger picture?

[@Eeyora1]

How did the chair girl fare? She needed Shae Lynn to choreograph for her..

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Alexandra Sydlar not in the top 5!

[@flywings111]

I watched both FaOI and ATS full shows. FaOI has mega star power line-up with Hanyu, Fernandez, V/M, Plush, Buttle, Weir, Lambiel, Kihira, Zagitova, Med, Tukt, Arakawa and all the other very good Japanese skaters like Oda, Kaori, Satoko, Miki, Mai and Akiko. ATS is not every comparable, there is Yuna, ok, but there are only six international skaters (no ladies at all) and a few Korean ladies. The programs at FaOI were much better, also the Flamenco on Ice at the two stops was very good. The violinist (who played Zagi's Carmen) was very good, also Toshi himself is a big star. FaOI this years was the best I've probably seen before. Don't expect too much from the intro and finale though, it has always been like that. ATS was cheesier and aims for a younger audience than FaOI, in the finale I thought they tried to sex up Yuna way too much, it was cringy. It's just not her personality. The programs at ATS were worse than at FaOI, even Yuna's programs were so-so (I'm saying this as a big fan of her).

[@henni1475]

If I look at the raw skating quality of both shows, I agree that FaOI was stronger imo. Especially the retired skaters like Shizuka, Miki, Stephane, Jeff, Anna and Luca, Tessa and Scott and Javi's Flamenco on Ice special were a pleasure to watch. Brilliant quality. Yuzu's Masquerade is a highlight, too (independent from personal bias). You can like or dislike the group numbers (for me the choreos are a bit goofy and the costumes... well :D) but they have long tradition and it's fun, so I won't complain. At ATS my favorite programs were Run from Sui/Han and Oblivion from Gabbi/Cizo. Love both programs with all my heart. The rest was decent, but couldn't create that magical atmosphere for me. I was especially disappointed with Javi's programs. Considering his standards he made many mistakes and it felt a bit halfhearted. I think FaOI is something like a chilled family gathering with the inofficial name "Yuzu and Friends" :D ATS is a big skating spectacle with the defending world champions (minus Alina). However, it's great that we have both shows and I hope that they will continue over the next years.

[@janehernandez9237]

Yes, faoi had more skaters but that does not matter, what matters is the quality and All that skate delivered that

[@bakedpotato6653]

Many of the FaOI skaters are not very interesting to me, they are older and some haven’t competed in years. 3/4 of the Worlds gold medalists were at ATS, the cast was great overall. More skaters in a show doesn’t equate to a better cast.

[@henni1475]

That's why It's great that we have both shows. They deliver performances for different tastes. I personally prefer mature adult skating over youngsters and FaOI was more satisfying for me in that department. I realized that when I watched Rika and Shizuka right after another. Rika has a lot of potential, but she can't create such a breathtaking atmosphere like Shinzuka yet. Same goes for Alina. Yes, the FaOI cast is big, but every single member delivered really well - especially the older skaters - it was not only quantity but huge quality as well.

[@kiodoiii8794]

I still am perplexed over the fact that Mao Asada can land triple loops and yet Yuna doesn’t jump at all.

[@janehernandez9237]

Kim yuna stopped skating for yrs mao asada did not. There u have it so dont get perplexed

[@kiodoiii8794]

Jane Hernandez Okay... Mao Asada skater for longer than Yuna and didn’t stop skating, and by that I mean jumping as well. All I’m saying is that I’m slightly against the fact that she retired after the Olympics where she was robbed, and then stopped skating as a whole. To me, she should have been a coach or something. Just more of ambassador and leader for figure skating in her country. However, Mao only toured. She didn’t do much either. I’m not taking sides here. 😑

[@aracelichely2954]

Yuna does not jump because she also retired for HEALTH issues, please remember that because it seems like you critize Yuna for not jumping when she has reasons than Mao does not have, that's the big difference (despite the time both have skated, if you are healthy you can skate longer) trust me I wish she would jump like before but I prefer to see her on the ice with amazing choreography than risky more her body when it's not necessary.

[@kiodoiii8794]

Araceli •Chely• Sorry, I didn’t know she was experiencing health issues. Thank you for hat info.

[@TimSirin]

Did you get some sun Dave lease?

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Tim Sirin I have been outdoors the last few weekends. I had a water fight with my nephews yesterday afternoon!

[@zb6070]

Is there any issue between Yuzuru and Shoma? I felt Yuzuru could be very condescending to Shoma, but don't know if I am misinterpreting things. Also, is it possible Shoma's knees are starting to give in and that he may retire in a year or 2, and maybe he wants a world title? And another thing, Shoma Uno may have the Eteri body type being extremely small.

[@sylessjinx7365]

Z B he is definitely not condescending towards Shoma. He always says nice things and supports his skating. I’m sure yuzu is competitive but he doesn’t look down on others

[@janehernandez9237]

I think there is some tension

[@Trenton.D]

Etery body type? Um, Shoma doesn’t weigh 80 pounds.

[@Trenton.D]

Evan Perilstein He can’t rotate much faster. What is she going to have him do? Pre-rotate even more? He’s almost at 270 degrees already!

[@zb6070]

@@sylessjinx7365 he did call Shoma a dog. Regardless of his explanation, I found that extremely condescending. Even after pyeonchang, he patted Shoma on the head instead of embracing him. To me, it seemed really rude and not treating Shoma as an equal.

[@tb4522]

Dave, you're definitely Reese! Lol. The Tony's sucked this year. Too many skits and not enough clips from actual Broadway shows!

[@tb4522]

Thanks for the NYC bar tip! I've been to Don't Tell Mamma, but next time, Marie's Crisis, here I come! Lol.

[@jijodobbas]

I want yuna to invite Adelina HAHA

[@shetae3865]

D. L. oof sis digging her own grave

[@lisa-lisa-lisa]

Eastland school for girls isn't in a fancy place? this really upsets me

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Not in 2019!

[@Essylte]

Glad to see another episode from you guys. While the sparkling pants of Yuna Kim's EX "Issues" was eye-catching, I can't say that I was taken with the performance. The hand choreo? Wasn't quite sure what she was going for there, or if she was trying to make a statement through this song. "Issues" is one of my all-time favorites. In my opinion, Vanessa James and Morgan Cipres could do this song justice. I can see it would support them better, and they in turn would likely enhance it through their skating. Shoma training with Eteri for the summer was shocking. Surely, he's not there to re-learn his jumps (and with a bunch of teenage girls about to go through puberty!). Consistency is important, but I wonder if Shoma did his research on Tutberidze's group. Sui and Han working with Ekaterina Gordeeva? OMFG!! They're only going to get better, and not because they went to a Russian pairs lady who won the Olympics twice, but because they're branching out and getting more training and experience from others, and not just staying in China and getting choreo from Lori (who does excellent work, I hope she still works with Sui/Han this upcoming season). Morgan and Vanessa with Battle of the Blades? I can't wait to see how that goes. I don't ever want these two to retire before they win an Olympic medal or a World gold. Yuzuru Hanyu getting back his quad Lutz is a good thing. However, if he doesn't rest his body, he won't be able to peak for the Grand Prix Final and Worlds. I want to see him do the quad Axel! Interesting that he has not stated what his SP and FP will be for the upcoming season. Guess we'll just have to wait and see. Funny that you mention beauty pageants. I barely watch Miss America, but will occasionally watch Miss Universe with mom, grandma and auntie every year. Figure skating (especially ladies' singles) must be akin to the politicking at beauty pageants.

[@janehernandez9237]

I disagree, Yuna's issue program was amazing. I loved everything about it. Her expressions and body movements throughout was fabulous

[@Essylte]

@@janehernandez9237 I agree to disagree.

[@Trenton.D]

Spinel, Hanyu typically doesn't release his programs until very late summer...

[@iosebdzamukashvili5360]

Amazing points about Russian nationalism and yes that was the only reason why I liked Evgenia moving to Orser.

[@maryelle1927]

O nooo waiting for #medhate in 3 2 1

[@Trenton.D]

Fantasy definitely has the greater collective star power. Hanyu, Plushenko, Javi, Buttle, Lambiel, Weir, Voir, Tatiana and Max, the ZagMed, et al. Much more exciting imo. Probably pays more too. Lmao! Jump technique doesn’t matter anymore. The ISU has said as much with their whackjob rule changes. Shoma will benefit based on his crap jump technique. Vincent, as well. He will be over Shoma next season and I predict he will he potentially beating Nathan by 2022; they almost had him winning over him near the end of last season. USFSA will stop at nothing to get to to top, uet RusFed are the corrupt ones. Will Etery have time for Shoma? With factory operations at full production? Also, will she break him like she did poor Adian?

[@janehernandez9237]

@@evanperilstein5308 i agree with u

[@janehernandez9237]

I dont think yuna will invite plushenko cuz he talked bad about her

[@janehernandez9237]

@@evanperilstein5308 In 2010, he mentioned that mao was better than Yuna im a Japanese news. He explained why mao was better. Like mao did better jumps and stuff

[@bakedpotato6653]

Fantasy doesn’t seem more exciting at all - imo. Maybe if you’re middle aged and older? I don’t care to see Plushenko, for example.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

I love that Trenton D will defend the Hanyu supremacy at all costs! I love both casts, but I would give the overall nod to ATS which had Papadakis and Cizeron, Sui and Han, etc.

[@FalvyPollard]

Just say no

[@TheSkatingLesson]

?

[@FalvyPollard]

Nancy Reagan " just say no"@@TheSkatingLesson

[@TheSkatingLesson]

FalvyPollard ohhh!! Got it!

[@LC-ig2jm]

Don't remind me of her. Nancy, that is...

[@proluca]

Blackpink "Kill This Love"

[@happymusic6910]

Young you and Junhwan Cha is gonna be the next big star of korea

[@janehernandez9237]

I dont think so

[@happymusic6910]

@@janehernandez9237 oh stfu

[@hjh-tg4jo]

I agree that Junhwan Cha is going to be the next star of korea, but not really sure about Young You ...

[@janehernandez9237]

@@happymusic6910 u stfu, i can say whatever i want

[@happymusic6910]

@@hjh-tg4jo Young you has been landing quads in practice. The current trend of isu judging system, is that they award scores to more difficult jumps. Look at Tursynbaeva, landing quads but very bad skating skills and dry artistry but made it to worlds podium. If Young you continues developing her jumping techniques and artistry, its not impossible for her

[@wearingspacesuits]

saying something has to be at least a little by misogynist is exemplary White Gay Man, I can't even handle it. well done. seriously, the way you spoke about women for the first 20 minutes of this was nauseating.

[@wearingspacesuits]

@@evanperilstein5308 Don't see what my gender or sexuality has to do with me not wanting people to make "jokes" about how women aren't interesting/smart/talented, "too big", and objectifying and degrading them. Why would I tell a stranger on the internet? Also there is a whole swarm of research done about how "jokes" of these kinds are insidious and harmful. It's not a joke, its horrifying.

[@wearingspacesuits]

@@evanperilstein5308That's great and all, but I'm still not saying anything about myself because you have no right to be privy to it. www.advocate.com/commentary/2018/7/20/gay-men-can-be-misogynists-too

[@wearingspacesuits]

@@evanperilstein5308 www.huffpost.com/entry/queering-our-cult-why-gay-men-need-to-shake-off-misogyny_b_59efccd2e4b04809c050120a

[@wearingspacesuits]

@@evanperilstein5308 www.independent.co.uk/voices/gay-men-lgbt-50th-anniversary-misogyny-rupaul-drag-race-fishy-queen-lesbians-a7862516.html

[@wearingspacesuits]

@@evanperilstein5308 there are plenty more.

[@biari8599]

Yuna's programs and bits were so incredibly dull and boring. Like I know she just turned up to collect an easy paycheck, but did she have to make it this obvious? Yes, the way she can move looks beautiful, but she clearly put no effort or thought into any of it, like she couldn't be bothered. She also didn't look like she was enjoying any of it.

[@janehernandez9237]

She did looked like she enjoyed the show, u are just jealous that people still love her and will continue to go to the show. She did not have to come back and skate but she did it so other skaters can become popular. No skater in south korea is popular as her. She wants figure skating to still be popular. She basically came out of retirement when she did not have to. Its people like u who only see bad things about Yuna when Yuna only tires to help others.

[@biari8599]

@@janehernandez9237 Lol, why would I be jealous that people still love her, when she's one of the few female skaters who's skating I enjoy??? Get real! I was disappointed in how little she offered, precisely because I enjoy her style! (and no, she looked miserable the whole time during practice and the show itself)

[@brianr.3085]

Unless you have privileged access to Yuna's private thoughts and motivations, I'm wondering how it can be so "clear" to you she showed up just for the paycheck when she could've made that same amount several times over by doing a commercial without the extra effort of skating and rehearsals. Maybe she decided to appear because she actually missed skating, just as the people who know her personally have already said.

[@aracelichely2954]

Haters gonna hate :/

[@biari8599]

@@aracelichely2954 yeah, because disappointment/criticism/recognising flaws = hate... alright then... 🤦‍♀️

[@alexanderbakulin8836]

here is the thing i have noticed about yuna's show. in 10 years of show existence she was never inviting russian or japanese skaters. she had all kinds of american, canadian and european skaters at the show, but never russian and japanese. "the queen" should have a really sad feelings about russia and japan. shoma is the first japanese skater that had ever appeared at her show. the only russian skater that was invited at her show earlier was elena radionova. i guess the reason why radionova was invited, it's because she'd mentioned in her interviews that yuna is one of her favorite skaters. which, let's be honest, is a big deal. "the queen" is the skater for the plebs, it's impossible to hear from any non korean skater that yuna had some influence on her skating. so radionova was invited becasue she'd kissed "the queen" arse. what was the reason for shoma's invitation? did he also gave a praise to a yuna's sparkly pants in some interview?

[@joychuasihan12]

yagudin was invited to her show as well lol stfu

[@alexanderbakulin8836]

@mish098aimer so there was 4 russian skaters, and 3 japanese, throughout all those years. good to know. probably yuna had more canadians in one cast in half of her shows. but that's no wonder that she'd invited yagudin more than once. yagudin is very good at kissing asses. i can easily imagine him kissing a korean queen arse for a small fee

[@flying372]

She should invite adelina sotnikova :D

[@kdcm6690]

@@flying372 You're a funny guy. Not really.

[@aracelichely2954]

Hahaha I love to see how are you humiliated every time you try to trash the queen, first you say "has never invited any Russian skaters" then you say "oh then she has envited only 4" hahahaha looks like you can't even count, I can't, your hate is seriously hilarious!! xD

[@keeocoh.8283]

Yuna Kim has always been clumsy, robotic and boring. Now it has become even worse.

[@janehernandez9237]

Yuna was, is, and always will be the best. She is better in expressing emotions than skaters these days

[@aracelichely2954]

Another jealous hater seeking attention, nothing new ^^

[@alexanderbakulin8836]

yuna's show was so pathetic and embarrassing on so many levels. starting from the poster, which was arranged like "the queen and her servants". then the crowd who have zero clue about skating, and just came to the show to scream and squeel at the sight of their idol. and their idol, just walking and shaking her butt on the ice, instead of skating. it was painful to watch. "the sparkling pants" was really the highlight of "the queen" performance. it's good that dave have noticed it

[@aracelichely2954]

@@evanperilstein5308 He never gets boring, when it comes to Yuna he is always the first to claim attention through the queen xD