This Bear Should Not Exist! The MacFarlane Bear, 1864

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[@metalmamasue3680]

The History Channel MonsterQuest put out a video a month after your video here about bears, and a bear expert examined the MacFarlane bear skull. It's a small, young female brown bear that wandered way out of their typical range. It's at 43:20 time stamp in this video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rV7Tn3etosdjsMUfeature=shared

[@RoadHead62]

No dna testing? That should clear things up in a big hurry. That, and there are plenty of short faced bear bones to compare them to at La Brea. If it's such a mystery, then why hasn't there been any collaboration between paleontologists?

[@ANProductionsOfficialChannel]

Blame the Smithsonian for a lot of this.

[@jorgecruzseda7551]

They BEARLY GET ALONG???

[@schrisdellopoulos9244]

​@@ANProductionsOfficialChannel But why repeat their nonsense?

[@Freeontheland2030]

They have to tread carefully lest any evidence appears contrary to the narrative being pushed.

[@aldeureaux5184]

IF it is a hybrid, then “global warming” shouldn’t be the cause in 1864. So MAYBE the computer modals about that are not correct.

[@I_am_Diogenes]

And here is the moral of the story folks ..... NEVER send anything to the Smith that is important unless you want it promptly lost .

[@clobbyhops]

Thank you those guys are nothing but thieves and evidence squashers

[@asoncalledvoonch2210]

More like intentionally lost

[@prioris55555]

@@asoncalledvoonch2210 yep. they always inter-splice the global warming lie into many things

[@zedhiro6131]

They tend to "lose" inconvenient proofs.

[@Nu1SaNc8]

Yup they are there to manage what we see

[@nattamused9074]

“The world’s most rarest bear.” KZbin’s most bestest writing.

[@guileweaver1574]

Lmao 🤘

[@nattamused9074]

@@guileweaver1574 We homeschool. We’re really gooder at grammar.

[@tct84]

AI hard at work blundering

[@DroneBeeStrike]

Rare Bears not Bare Rears

[@simplyramona8678]

😔

[@luddite4change449]

There have been several Griz/Polar hybrids identified in the last 10 years. Most all IIRC were in an area were the historic and modern ranges for both overlap. No real mystery that this happens in the wild from time to time.

[@bigmule35]

And it has always happened and has nothing to do with global warming .

[@calebreynolds9183]

@@bigmule35global warming does cause it to be more frequent. Because the polar bears regular hunting area is far less vast, so they move to warmer areas and run into their cousins. Take your pills

[@Alexander711]

@@bigmule35global warming just helped increased the possibility

[@bigmule35]

@@Alexander711 The earth was much warmer even back when Vikings were around . Temp goes up and down, this has always happened .

[@neganrex5693]

@@Alexander711Funny the host said Polar Bears that love subzero temps was moving more southward because of global warming. I find that odd since a subzero loving animal would be moving more northward if that was the case. It has nothing to do with global warming and everything to do with over populating. Anyway I seen a photo of a sea level stick over a 100 years old and another photo of 10 years back taken on the same day of the month of the very same hour at the very same minute and the photo showed the sea level has not gone up until normal high tide. LOL. What Gen Z has been brainwashed to believe is global warming is really weather patterns making their decade or more rounds. When I was going to school they was teaching us the world was going to be in an ice age by 1999 and much latter Al Gore was saying New York was going to be underwater by 2014. We all know none of this happen and now it's time for AOC to be wrong with her nonsense. LOL.

[@KNemo1999]

Two brothers killed an enraged monster bear with a stick and a hunting knife. Maybe short faced bears are rare, but dudes this base are probably extinct.

[@DomLab-g2n]

You missed the point blank musket shot

[@randyvac01]

Wouldn't it be easier to do a DNA test of the MacFarlane's bear skull and fur; at least them the mystery can be solved on what the bear really was.

[@smokeybandit7613]

Yes. However you need approval which is most likely the reason it hasnt happened.

[@randyvac01]

Very true. Science is supposed to be all about truth and facts. The museum is fools for not yet having completed a DNA test. @@smokeybandit7613

[@jimshepard3966]

The Smithsonian will never let that happen.

[@praetorianrex5571]

​@@jimshepard3966why not?

[@johnsonjae]

It has been tested, it was inconclusive, but thought to be a Brown/Polar hybrid. The sequencing did have a striking resemblance to Arctic Short Face bear. However bear DNA is not exactly a conclusive field. Even among different species there can be genetic overlap, and family groups can vary widely.

[@aidanmartin7923]

Pizzly? Should have been Grolar Bear. Grolar sounds tougher, Grolar sounds like a scary beast.

[@alysabrumfield9607]

I said the exact same thing. Pizzly sounds like pissy,its a pussified name lol

[@msa4548]

Both a real names, depends on which species was the father.

[@alrivers2297]

​@@msa4548 Yup, it's just simple science

[@michaelyork7844]

Sorta like liger and tigron

[@donkeysaurusrex7881]

Call them mule bears

[@jamesivie5717]

There was a monstrous brown bear shot in Alaska about 20 years ago. It was much larger than the typical Grizz. I'm wondering why no one has made any study of this animal.

[@calebreynolds9183]

It was a regular grizzly, the one you’re talking about. There is an effort to study ‘Grandpa’ who STANDS at 12 feet tall. He’s fucking gigantic

[@MeltedFace707]

Wasn't it just a coastal brown bear that experienced abnormal growth because of the abundance of food? Kodiak island is known specifically for that

[@calebreynolds9183]

@@MeltedFace707 You’re correct, and a costal brown isn’t a grizzly either but people have butchered the naming convention so thoroughly that any brown American bear is a grizzly now. Even black bears during their chestnut phase.

[@stormtrooper7177]

​@@MeltedFace707 I wouldn't really consider that to be that abnormal as a coastal Alaskan. But that's considering the fact we have brown bears that will coordinate in a "pack" to attempt to hunt humans. Basically what they do is one acts as bait drawing you further in while 3 or more flank and encircle you, in an attempt to draw you into a kill zone. They haven't successfully killed anyone doing that yet, but it's only time until they manage to.

[@mottthehoople693]

@@stormtrooper7177 thats way out of the ordinary if true

[@rogerharris5515]

You should have shown photos of three skulls to compare. The Poler, The Grizzly, and the McFarlane bear so we could see the differences.

[@markalford5406]

Yep

[@ANProductionsOfficialChannel]

There are no pictures of it. Or, at least, none that were found.

[@eldesgraciado6690]

POLAR.

[@chonconnor6144]

​@@eldesgraciado6690he's probably just from Chigaaago

[@Ccyawn123]

Poler bare?

[@okaydudes]

I’m here to find Joe Rogan

[@noahbeaty2295]

Hi! I’m Joe Rogan.

[@BernieKnapp-h3n]

You can't miss his huge over sized head from doing so many steroids! Christ the guy looks like a freaky monster!

[@jacksonfrenchii8080]

He's busy getting piped by John Jones pal.

[@jrothweldo7]

Ohoooo dude that bears jacked

[@kevin4295]

I am not Joe Rogan.

[@Andulvar]

Shipping anything to the Smithsonian Museum is a good way to make historical things disappear or worse.

[@paulofelipebbraga9634]

They pretty much buried, misinterpretraded and dismissed whatever that beast was. Pretty sloppy in my humble opinion. Maybe they are hiding something.

[@ThunderPants13]

If a human and a Tasmanian Devil can breed to create my wife, it shouldn't be that surprising that a Polar Bear and Grizzly Bear can get together in the wild and make a Pizzly.

[@EnjoyLifeLikeaKid]

LOL

[@erichause3607]

Your wife must be related to my sister in law

[@robertdoble7665]

Savage. lol

[@jeffreyjohnson5711]

If it happens once.....sounds like my ex.

[@adamadams6740]

The scientist that looked at the holotype in the monster quest episode you used footage from,said it was a small young female brown bear and didn’t understand why people thought the skull was special.I’ve never seen anything on the fur,but in that same monster quest they showed the polar/grizzly have inter bred and been killed.

[@rhapsody98]

I knew Dr. Schubert back in the day, and he was so excited to get a look at the holotype, and so disappointed that it wasn't anything special. All of us that worked at the museum did our best to watch that episode because he was going to be in it. They sent him to Alaska for close to 6 weeks, and he didn't even get close to a grizzly, meanwhile this guy in New Jersey is pulling bears out of his trash can. He really felt dumb afterwards.

[@adamadams6740]

@@rhapsody98 that’s rough for sure,a lot of time to invest.

[@metalmamasue3680]

Thanks, I saw that episode and couldn't remember what the conclusions were except that it wasn't a short faced bear or anything unusual in Dr Schubert's expert opinion. I Iive in PA and we definitely have no shortage of bIack bears/Ursus americanus in PA & NJ.

[@demi-god3674]

There was recently an older “polar bear” skull found around double the size of a modern polar bear skull and more slender and different features that dated to 670-800 modern era and they still have to DNA testing on it. but given the spectacled bear which is basically a short faced bear survived to this day I would say it’s entirely possible especially given Canada’s huge pockets of untouched and impenetrable forest and tundra environments

[@Karpfense]

Can you send the source?

[@gemsbokpan5062]

You have at least two pictures of a blonde grizzly bear that you think is a hybrid. The ones with the Inuit hunter where he is photographed with friends with the bear and the other he is alone with the bear and his truck. Good presentation. I enjoyed it.

[@chaosdweller]

Yep 👍 I didn't even click on the video but I'm glad it started playing after clicking on the YT icon now that I'm done with it.

[@TheJohnnyCalifornia]

It is kinda funny and a little disconcerting that, from this video, a lot of "bear science" seems to rely on a bunch of random rare bears getting shot.

[@SaskatchewanGearandGun]

Hunters are actually really into zoology. Almost all hunter funded conservation groups have biologists on staff. So it makes sense that they'd find the rare creatures first.

[@francislutz8027]

Who else would dare trek into the wilderness vast distances away from civilization? No one else has a need to travel that remotely except possibly some of the rarer goat hunters across the planet.

[@johnsonjae]

So there have been hundreds of Polar/Brown Bear hybrids discovered since the MacFarlane Bear was shot. Some even forming family groups, proving that unlike previously thought, these animals are indeed able to reproduce. I have not seen the genetic testing for myself, but it was my understanding that the Macfarlane Bear and subsequent Grolar and Pizzly hybrids all shared DNA similarities with the Arctic Short Face Bear. Leading researchers to believe this may not be the first time Brown bears and Polars have been forced to share an eco system and interbred. Also, why is the Himalayan Polar Bear not on your timeline, their discovery in 2008 has really shaken up what we thought we knew about that family group.

[@buckodonnghaile4309]

Himalayan polar bear? Down the rabbit hole I go. Cheers

[@TrentenLobo]

No such thing as Himalayan polar bear but ok crackie

[@sirseigan]

@@TrentenLobo According to Forbes scientists have done DNA analysis on hair that was supposed to be from Yeti or Yeti like creatures. Two of the samples; one golden from an animal shot in Ladakh, India, in the 1970s and one reddish found in a bamboo forest high in Bhutan was from bears. And I quote: "The hairs are either from a new bear species, a colour variant of polar bears or a hybrid of polar bears and brown bears, the researchers concluded." And I quote again: "[the samples] closely matched the DNA from a polar bear fossil found on Svalbard, an island in the Arctic, dating back 40,000 years to the Pleistocene period, when much of continental Asia was covered with glaciers." This was written in Forbes on 2014/07/02 and the article have the title: "Abominable News: Yeti Identified As Ancestral Polar Bear" - the article are on their webbpage so it is just a search away. The name of the scientists is mentioned so you could probable check up their work and see research for you self if you want.

[@tristantimothy1004]

John, All bears can/do interbreed. Recently in Canada a polar Black bear was found. With the icepacks melting the polars are moving south & learning to fish like the other bears do & being aquatic bears are WAY better at it. When i was in the military we saw polars in the S.Sea islands. The natives called em the " White death" & were terrified of them. Theory is some got caught in currents & drifted around the world & took up residence where they landed. Nature ALWAYS adapts.

[@tristantimothy1004]

​@@TrentenLobo, And how would you know that? Crackie.... You the world expert on everything? Ive seen polars in the South Seas personally.

[@moviesmovies5337]

In the early 2000s there's another bear like this shot. And they did DNA testing and turned out to be a polar grizzly hybrid. They call them the Pizzlies or Grolar bears

[@princybella5386]

Grizzlars too.

[@kitefan1]

The pizzly(etc) I have read/seen about, that was examined, had a polar bear mother (I think). The biologists were happy to see that something of polar bear might survive because I think her offspring were thought to be capable of reproducing. In other hybrids, such as a ligar, they grow unusually huge. Lion and tiger ranges do not overlap now but did there are stories from the past. (Mughal?). It seems to me that some pairings of polar bear and other bear might be similarly huge.

[@uncle7162]

This ain’t with bears but my great grandfather who I had the honour to know and share a birthday with till I was 11 owned a 340 acre property just outside of Mackay Queensland. And one day when my grandmother was visiting they seen what they thought was a carpet python so thinking nothing of it they threw a rock it at and the next thing you know that Bastard Reared up had a yellow belly and was trying to strike. My grandfather been there his whole life and grew up with snakes said that thing was a hybrid. True story

[@sdriza]

Confirmed - my sister's boyfriend was related to the guy who did it. Got classified as an, "X File" - he was gonna tell me about it, but he'd have to kill me - so (thankfully) he didn't tell me.

[@beastmaster0934]

I bet it’s a grizzly/polar bear hybrid. Although a late surviving short-faced bear would also be kinda cool too

[@BrOckSams0n]

At one time there were far more bears than there are now. i'm not sure why scientists always decide they already know everything, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out there has historically been a lot of cross over in range between brown and polar bears.

[@siddiquenadir44]

I hate scientists behaving they know everything instead of being open minded.

[@calebchristensen900]

The thought of a bear that will regularly predate on humans: crossed with one that’s known as the most ferocious is somewhat scary to think about. It’d be interesting to see if the hybrids can interbred as well.

[@adreabrooks11]

I'd say the "Most Ferocious" title probably goes to the sloth bear. They regularly get attacked by tigers - so their reaction to surprise is often to instantly fly into a frenzy of aggression. They look like laid back mops, but are renowned for their aggression.

[@mikemac4458]

You mean how ligers can't breed they are born sterile. Good question as to if the pizzly bears can breed.

[@gerardmichaelburnsjr.]

When Lewis and Clark went on their expedition West, they reported that grizzlies attacked them instantly on sight. Horses were not yet common among the plains tribes, so humans were pretty easy prey. When Lewis and Clark were on their way back from the Pacific, just one year later, the Lakota sioux, had taken over a whole lot of the land that they had passed through and since they were on horseback and sometimes have firearms, or maybe because Lewis and Clark's expedition shot so many bears, the grizzlies already were more cautious about going after members of the expedition they happened to spot.

[@LawnXMowerXGaming]

@@adreabrooks11no, sloth bears aren’t the most ferocious. They very rarely attack, and when they do they don’t stick around. A grizzly will maul you for hours and eat you alive

[@adreabrooks11]

@@LawnXMowerXGaming Sorry, but you're incorrect about the attack numbers. Sloth bears kill roughly 12 people per year. That's something like 30% of all lethal bear attacks. Brown bears (of which, of course, the grizzly is a subspecies) have only killed 82 people since 1784 - which amounts to a little less than three people a year, worldwide. That said: you're probably right about the mauling part. A sloth bear is closer to the size of a human, so is more likely to see us as a threat, and will kill a person outright to neutralize that threat. A grizzly is big enough that it can just incapacitate us, and/or hold us down and start nommin. So grizzlies are less likely to kill you but, if I had to choose between getting killed by a grizz or a sloth bear, I'd choose the slothy.

[@HeronPoint2021]

there's a cave on the Queen Charlotte's where lots of bears ended up dying, over the last 8,000 years. Once connected to the mainland, and being a grassy area, it was grizzly country (not today).Bears hurt seek a cool, quiet place (fights, tree dropped on them, injury from other reasons). There is a mandible in the Victoria, BC museum that is almost 18 inches long. He'd be looking in your 2nd. floor window at you.. Also, genetics can be funny: only 10,000 years you can get a genetic throwback and there you are: a short faced grizzly/polar cross . Crosses may allow these weird ilmpacts to happen and express themselves.

[@BryanLChess]

Every time I hear “it was shipped to smithsonian” I cring because we know when things are shipped there they disappear.

[@Liberty-Works1111]

There are accounts supposedly kept hushed in Yellowstone National park in the 1970's about sightings of a 14-15ft tall bear or bears by park rangers... same short face, stubby ears, racoon eyes explained here but massive... this is all alleged but one of the older park rangers at that time claimed it was from far, far up north in the unexplored regions in Canada (which exist to this day) & that there are both ice age animals thought to be extinct as well as extinct animals we haven't discovered as of yet (that we might consider crypted species) who sometimes wonder down from these remote regions... ?

[@brianclayton3898]

Is that the bear that the movie "Night of the grizzly " was based on?

[@myragroenewegen5426]

This is the closest I've found to a sasquatch of the bear world and I love it. All the explanations suggest something implausible happened. What would drive a bear to go so much further than it had to to find a mate, far out of the temperatures it was made for? Possible a bear cub was transported out of it's range by people and found it's way back in, breading along the way? Could there have been animals roaming about the Arctic that we think of as ancient relics at this late point in history, simply because the Arctic was big and inhospitable to humans? Anyone know a good deep dive documentary? May nature surprise us! I want to believe!

[@casualcausalityy]

I'd think the Inuits could provide some insight, their folk tales and verbal histories may point to some unexpected species

[@brandonmusick77]

I'd love to learn more about the bear cub traveling and making bread along its way.

[@WarriorofChrist87]

Fantazoids. Check it out

[@HeronPoint2021]

In Windfall Alberta we'd go to the pipeline cafeteria wet dump to watch the bears feed at dusk. Then they'd all leave, and Big Boy would saunter in at another 40% larger than the 2nd largest bear. you get genetic freaks, one-offs, in ALL breeds of animals, including bears. it happens.

[@travisgravelle7687]

It does seem odd that the foremost expert on bears, wouldn't recognize a young female brown bear skull. Even if there were an outlandish back story to go with. More likely it's the first Pizzly /Grolar bear hybrid recovered.

[@whateverreally1347]

If that were the case, wouldn’t we expect the hybrid characteristics to fall somewhere between those of the parent species? Why would have a hybrid have a shorter face than both of its parents ?

[@BrinleyLloyd]

Today, it is known that grizzly-polar bear hybrids (referred to as grolars or pizzlies) do occur on occasion and that they match the specimen's description very well, notably the pale tan fur, and apparently also the oddly shaped skull which led Merriam to propose his new genus. While this seems to be a satisfying explanation, it was not tested thoroughly because the hybridization theory was for long just that. Now that more than circumstantial data from such hybrids exists, ancient DNA analysis and/or a morphological study of the skull may well resolve the case of McFarlane's specimen. If it turns out to be a hybrid the scientific names Vetularctos and Ursus inopinatus would become invalid under the ICZN.

[@ExtermCentral]

Interesting video on this mysterious bear. Nice to see you discussing science and cryptozoology for a change too.

[@ANProductionsOfficialChannel]

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[@robr5348]

It is well known that Schubert mocked and ridiculed MacFalane long before being given access to the specimen. He was obnoxious and insultingly dismissive all along. His findings surprised none of us.

[@lanalorenzen]

I've read that because of the changing temperatures between the arctic and the lower latitudes, there is more co-mingling of grizzlies and polars. There will be much more in the future.

[@icarusunited]

I wonder, if that bear was a hybrid; non-sterile hybrid. Half-Shortfaced Bear / Half Polar Bear. With the advent of the end of the ice age, perhaps all that was left were these rare fertile hybrids that interbred between purer shortfaces, polar bears, and grizzly bears.

[@gshaindrich]

so you think that is more likely than a brown/polar bear hybrid? a hybrid with an extinct species...

[@idw9159]

polar-grizzly hybrid the expected explanation, mito dna analysis should make short work of this issue.. btw saying interbreeding was far less likely 160 years ago neglects the fact that bear populations were almost certainly way higher than they are today

[@thomaslietzau2813]

2nd McFarane's Bear was Killed in same Area ..About 15 years ago

[@christopherlyons5900]

Possible that Short-faced Bears, as they began to die out, interbred with brown and/or polar bears, as wolves interbred with coyotes they'd normally have killed, in the eastern U.S., as they were being eradicated. This would have been a rare event, if it happened. But the DNA would survive in the bloodline, and here and there, you'd get an individual who showed characteristics of the extinct species.

[@wessyde9476]

I feel like this bear was the direct inspiration for that series "the terror"

[@davidcudlip6587]

Was thinking the same thing. Couldn't remember the TV series name though.

[@EricGori-k9h]

I realize the 2 brothers had wounded the bear with a musket shot. But how in the hell did they take it down with a spear and a knife without sustaining major injuries or getting killed? That is truly amazing. Those guys must have been real badasses and had some luck on their side as well!!

[@olliefoxx7165]

Clearly badasses. It takes a pretty rugged individual to live in such a hostile environment.

[@davidcopson5800]

Look what Leonardo DiCaprio survived!

[@kriegdeathrider7805]

It took a presumably heavy loaded .45 or .50 caliber round musket ball to the chest and then got speared in the lungs when it got closer there are very few things on this earth that are gonna do anything other than lay down and die after that

[@EricGori-k9h]

@kriegdeathrider7805 thanks for the info.

[@kimberlyfowler5748]

Eskimos, they had ways of hunting before they discovered guns

[@GodzillaKyru]

A very interested Video and not the one I expected but I loved it. Are you going to do anymore of these types of documentaries?

[@ANProductionsOfficialChannel]

A few here and there because it pertains to history.

[@footnotedrummer]

You really should put an epilepsy warning at the beginning of this video if you want to add the fluttering effects. It's quite distracting for people without epilepsy, but could certainly trigger a bad reaction from someone with the affliction. Just a suggestion.

[@RamonMarais-k2k]

Nothing can be the most rarest. Either the rarest, or the most rare.

[@bunglebee1790]

Or the much more morest rarest.

[@0101-s7v]

Yeah, I cringed at that one also. Wasn't going to say anything, though.

[@darrelllogan1274]

Yeah, well, this presenter is an idiot, so what do you expect?

[@OpenShotJosh]

I heard they believe that the California Grizzly might be in Mexico hear the US...Some ranchers had something killing their cattle and it was not a big cat according to life long ranchers! Info came from joe rogan podcast! Great cast ! Seen alot on the MC bear and always want to know more! TY Good Material...Subject Matter...And Presentation!

[@debbieguitor1745]

I’d love it if you could do a story on the Spirit Bear of northern British Columbia

[@chaosdweller]

🤔

[@johnkidd1226]

Kommode Bears found only in a couple of small areas in BC. I worked in the mountains near Nass Camp and saw two different ones over a year of working in the area. Also saw a subspecies of large black wolves in the same area oddly enough and they are only found in a few areas in northern BC as well.

[@kitefan1]

@@johnkidd1226 Kermode?

[@hanburgundy4317]

​@@johnkidd1226 There are coyote/wolf hybrids here in Indiana and in the surrounding states, as well as many reports of "dogmen". I'm not entirely discounting these eyewitness accounts, but odds are far more likely IMO the genes in wolves that make some of them black are showing up in these coywolves. I've been followed by a coywolf, and they're huge and look like a mix of a wolf and a German shepherd - not at all like the smaller lanky ones I've seen out west or that used to be around here.

[@donmiles5080]

I remember hearing about this bear back when it was shot. Environmentalists were furious that this man had shot, although by accident, supposedly the rarest bear in the world. That's ridiculous because it is a hybrid bear. Which means you could shoot the last one in the world and a few years later there would probably be another new one made by the bears naturally interbreeding. This has been going on for many years in nature.

[@davidmoore2308]

You were around in 1864?

[@tristantimothy1004]

​@@davidmoore2308, Were YOU? Recently in Canada a hybred black/ polar bear was found. Bears are like dogs, they ALL interbreed & the jackass " global warming" crowd dosent know squat. Its not the warming causing this stuff, its been going on since time began & its the SUN causing the warming, that and another magnetic polar shift which weakens the magnetic shield allowing more radiation through. And it happens every 12-14,000 years. Add, the solar cycles are going into another hot flair period right now. The wildlife will adapt as it always has. IF any surface life survives at all when the solar maximum hits & fries the entire planet, AGAIN! Theres a reason the ancients, who were WAY more advanced than us built massive underground citys to survive the impending doom cycle that was coming to our entire solar system.

[@hanburgundy4317]

​@@davidmoore2308 In west Canada, born and raised, 1864 is where I spent most of my days.

[@joesmith-tg3co]

In episode #215 of the History Channel program Monster Quest, "Giant Bear Attack", paleontologist Dr. Blaine W. Schubert (of East Tennessee State University) was allowed to examine the skull (although the Institute did not allow the examination to be filmed). Schubert stated that he was "100% sure" that it was the skull of a young, female brown bear and "actually, not a particularly large individual."

[@michaelfox2433]

Yeah, this story sounded like a fishing tale right from the beginning. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and this story had none.

[@dawndriskill9588]

This claim by the Tennessee paleontologist was addressed in the video. Did you watch it?

[@joesmith-tg3co]

yes@@dawndriskill9588

[@robertdysonn]

This bear had to be a hybrid between a polar bear and a grizzly bear, if it were a short faced bear, there would have to be a population of them around unless these hunters were just the ones that killed the last one, which is highly unlikely. Can’t they just do DNA testing on the fur, I think it was saved wasn’t it?

[@ANProductionsOfficialChannel]

Blame the Smithsonian

[@robertdysonn]

@@ANProductionsOfficialChannel I’m not looking to blame anyone, they may not have understood that they could breed together in those days. They were just looking at an animal that was a little different than both of them but now that we understand what we do, the bear couldn’t of been a short face bear. It was a hybrid between the two different animals.

[@steveclark4291]

There's probably no DNA either none was taken or saved .

[@bri-manhunter2654]

@@robertdysonn. You are naive sir.

[@robertdysonn]

@@bri-manhunter2654 anyone who calls you naïve yet gives you no points on why is naïve themselves. What I said makes perfect sense, so I also have to believe that’s true. I guess you’re so naïve. No proof of any kind of short bear existing later than 10,000 years ago and this dip shit wants to think they just happen to run across one in the woods even though we know that a hybrid bear looks very similar to what they killed as well, and they still exist, smiles.

[@Shakesbear-c1g]

still gradually coming out of the last Ice Age

[@robertlivingston1634]

So let's see if I can understand this, the 2006 specimen is a result of global warming but the 1864 specimen is just a freak of nature.

[@znail4675]

What if everyone is right? These theories aren't exclusive to each other. It could have been a polar/brown bear hybrid that also breed through some giant short faced bear traits. Just like humans have traces of neanderthals, so wouldn't it be strange for bears to have traces of old species in their DNA. Would it not be interesting science to do some DNA tests on the remains?

[@SonnyCorleone-tg1ik]

An Productions, I like Vintage history. Good and interesting video!

[@tballstaedt7807]

Grizzly/ Polar bear hybrid. I think we'll find that these two species have been hooking up for thousands of years. DNA test would clear this up tomorrow.

[@BriannaRubino-xy7mc]

I have a hard time imagining what a grizzly and polar bear hybrid would look like, can you?

[@stephengent9974]

The simplest explanation is usually the right one. Using modern techniques, it should be possible to get DNA from the fur or the teeth of this bear. The biometrics of the skull should give enough information on species. Most likely is a hybrid.

[@davidkulmaczewski4911]

Have they considered whether a "pizzly" bear might be different from a "grilar" bear? That is, the offspring from a male polar and a female grizzly versus from a male grizzly and a female polar? I think lion/tiger and tiger/lion hybrids are very different.

[@SarahJSwift]

They're actually called grolar bears now and there are indeed, or at least were, more. All descended from one strange polar mother, who breed with a grizzly, and those offspring also bred with other polars or grizzlies. There are several of these descendants that have been mounted.

[@jimlewis6680]

They act like bears have some fence keeping them from crossing territory into other bears territory hahaha. There has been occasional cross breeding since the beginning of time it’s not as prevalent now because human population is much larger than 150-1,000’s of years ago.

[@BriannaRubino-xy7mc]

Yes, as the number of humans increased, interbreeding events became less frequent. Do you like polar bears?

[@trimotoman]

When I worked on the north slope in Alaska in 2020 I saw a sow brown bear that had two hybrid cubs, blonde in color with dark rings around their eyes, I saw them daily for a month at a job site. A boar brown bear fought the sow daily and tried to eat them (common in bears), this cross is more common then people think, I grew up in southeast Alaska, look up admiralty island bears and you'll see our coastal grizzly that have long legs and a shorter snout they're unlike any other brown bears I've ever seen.

[@nicelydunwell5681]

Bear walks into a bar and says "I'll have a gin...................... and tonic" "Why the long pause" asks the bartender "Because i'm a bear"

[@hanburgundy4317]

Why the big* pause.

[@bobbymozza]

*paws

[@dawndriskill9588]

It would be "long" if it was a grizzly, they have long claws sticking out, making long paws.

[@raywhitehead730]

Very large bears were roaming in California as far south as San Diego County even as late as 1866. A 2200 pound bear was killed in Valley Center at that time!. It was weighed on a cattle scale.

[@nefariousjohnson8851]

Interesting

[@Veradance]

Shouldn't there be dna available in the teeth that could resolve the issue. These guys should talk to people in Siberia, they cross with evidence a lot more often than in Alaska, maybe it was lost.?

[@harrymills2770]

Global warming wouldn't throw grizzlies and polars together. It would, at most, change the latitudes at which the encounters took place.

[@Daniel-hv1hp]

I saw this on national geography channel back in 2013

[@MatthewLaCroix]

Well done 👏

[@nunyabiznis3595]

Obviously when the last of a species is killed it is extinct, but as a species evolves into other subspecies and then further into new species surely the original morphed into the new without the "last of the species" dying out. eg: the sloth bear, over many generation selects for smaller size and longer snout and becomes a new smaller bear type. So it begs the question "how much altered morphology constitutes a new species/extinction of the old"?

[@noahfyan9617]

Too everyone complaining about the hunters, no species has ever went extinct from the north american wildlife management model implanted in the early 1900s

[@rundown48]

So... DNA testing is not an option??

[@ANProductionsOfficialChannel]

Correct, actually. As frustrating as it is. The Smithsonian will not allow this holotype to be taken for DNA testing. The reasons given are... sketchy at best. They fear DNA testing might destroy the specimen, and it being the only one, is problematic. This is an extremely weak excuse, but one they have stuck by.

[@keithrenaud3380]

More like DNA testing would prove it to be a hybrid brown and polar bear contradicting the "global warming" narrative.

[@mtman2]

​@@ANProductionsOfficialChannel "weak"...lol... pathetic is more like it = if reall the only skull claimed shot in modern era times it fully resembles a Short Faced bear...! They'rs afraid of the truth just like of the blood vessels and marrow in dinosuar bones being found in Montana & Wyoming for 20yrs now dated 5,000yrs...lol

[@katharinajohn5619]

Thank you for the amazing film.

[@mikemac4458]

If it's been happening since 1864 which was before the industrial revolution really happened wouldn't that show that global warming isn't caused by humans?

[@juliusfucik4011]

Like anything that is complex, the climate changes because of many factors. One of them is human activity. This does not mean human activity is the main factor, nor does it mean it is negligible.

[@mikemac4458]

@@juliusfucik4011 what % of earths atmosphere is co²?

[@KOSVENDETTA]

What a pair of badass brothers

[@serafinmagic1634]

A cross between the Hymilian bear & short faced bear was discovered via DNA. The locals called it a yeti.

[@chaosdweller]

What does sera- fin magic mean? haha, does sera represent a person? an does fin rep a cat or a fish ?

[@alysabrumfield9607]

​@@chaosdwellertheres alot of dumb names on KZbin that make no since

[@kitefan1]

Yes, I thought that was a fabulous finding, although I think I heard it is now in dispute. It makes sense that it would behave differently and be more grumpy than their regular bears.

[@chaosdweller]

@@kitefan1 what got you to wanna make that seemingly random YT name? I don't care how boring the answer is.

[@serafinmagic1634]

@@chaosdweller Serafin were the highest order of angles, so high/bright/unknowable artists depicted them with 6 wings. Magic is a term U should be familiar with from your gaming. Put them together & U have the magic of angels. Obviously UR not familiar with abrahamic religious lore. Historical education is great, U should try it sometime.

[@BinroWasRight]

Fascinating video, thanks!

[@Waynegilchrist-r2h]

Interesting story for sure. I've always thought that the McFarland bear could be proved or disproved by DNA testing. As for the hybrid polar bear/brown bear, I certainly don't like the nickname "Pizzly"! It somehow sounds pansy-ass for an obviously formidable predator with the DNA of the two most ferocious bears on the planet. Perhaps we could have a concensus of ideas to better represent such a creature. Even "Grizzlor" has a mor macho sound.

[@danieleskridge]

It's always fun to see one of my illustrations in use :D

[@0101-s7v]

What? Which one?

[@mermaidripples9302]

Yet, the two people who ‘harvested’ this short faced species are given no acknowledgement. ? McFarlanes Bear? Didn’t he just package it up and forward to the Smithsonian?

[@hisservants8003]

Why does it matter?

[@c.galindo9639]

A very interesting bit of history revolving around this mysterious specimen of bear remains sent off to study and be labeled by a paleontologist. I wonder what the skull actually looks like if it wasn’t shown in the video

[@garrettmcbride7539]

I think we have this stuff now called DNA testing

[@danieldelewis2448]

Interesting side note: The California grizzly bear, a subspecies of brown bear, likely went extinct in the 1920s after the last reliable sighting in 1924: The California grizzly bear was once the top of the food chain in California and lived there for thousands of years. In 1850, there were an estimated 10,000 of these bears, but human activities led to their extinction in less than 75 years.

[@D3vastat0r116]

if these bears have been around since at least 1864 and probably way before then , how is global warming even a factor ?

[@kevinleee3408]

Subscribed

[@7digger3]

Polar bears are not moving south because of climate change, we are fishing the oceans dry, seals eat fish, polar bears eat seals.

[@jonathanhall1825]

There was a show on Discovery channel quite a few years ago about bears on an island off of Alaska that have hybrid bears that are quite unique

[@lilbiscuitable]

Wonder if the "Hunters" found a frozen short faced bear and took poetic license with the story?

[@malik479]

do animals don't have gigantism like humans do?

[@jasonmurray1812]

Can we get a story that doesn't somehow wind its way around to "global warming" please?

[@Ree-h2f]

All my fav moments of history in one video. 😮

[@stanleybroniszewsky8538]

Has anyone given any thought to the fact this hybrid bear could have been the result of extraterrestrial experiments?

[@Ree-h2f]

Great video

[@snappymcburpy7629]

Pull DNA from the skull and analyze.

[@ANProductionsOfficialChannel]

Blame the Smithsonian for that being unable to happen.

[@lechanoine9372]

So, was polar-grizzly hybrid's skull compared to the McFarlane skull?

[@johnmarks227]

It also calls into question Global warming is the reason for movement of bear species.

[@jeremiahyeo5863]

Millions of years… they stated it as a matter of fact as though they were there and they wrote down the date. Never mind the fact that they found bones in different layers which they automatically ascribed Some vague and nebulous number of millions of years - even though there are fossilized trees that plunge deep into multiple layers. More unsubstantiated conjecture about the past. Not to mention “the LAST Ice Age” As if there was more than one… How many Ice Ages do you think there were? If they were more than one… Then how many global floods do you think there were in order to make such ice ages possible?

[@Daniel-hv1hp]

A over sized bear is not normal just like a over size dog is not normal either

[@dbx1233]

What about the Toy Poodle that turned out to be real? Nobody saw that coming.

[@chaosdweller]

​@@dbx1233never heard of a Troy poodle before neat.

[@phaedrus12134]

More of content like this please :)

[@sheepdog1102]

If this happened 1864 then why did you bring up global warming as the cause when there was no such thing in 1864 as now there is no such thing as man caused global warming.😮

[@mtman2]

lol...EXACTLY-> the sky's falling...!

[@brymstar333]

Did you hear what he actually said? Or only what bipartisan ignorance allows you to hear? The specimen he was referring to , wasn't shot in the 1800's it was shot in recent times, and was the first specimen of a grizzly polar hybrid. Grizzly don't venture into the Arctic wastes, and polar bears only go that far south because of the scarcity of food...which is caused by the lack of ice to support the seal populations... If you don't think that the gigatons per year of manmade CO² doesn't affect the natural balance between the Earth's ability to remove it, and it's thermal retention potential, don't worry....because it doesn't matter! ITS ALREADY TOO LATE...the feedback loop started two decades ago, and can no longer be halted... The process normally takes about 10,000 years, but the amounts were putting out are 50× greater than the average volcanic outputs... 200 years time, will equal the same 10,000 year natural cycle, so you'll be long dead, but your great great great grandchildren will inherit a dying planet, if we make it that far.....and all for oil profits you'll never enjoy, and will pay out the neck to support... Good job! Fellow American!

[@EXZACHTPERFORMANCE]

​@@brymstar333 no lefty, they're referring back to the 1864 case as being the same crossover of habitat which would imply no change in almost 150 years.

[@Blobby192]

probably a hybrid with an underformed head just like we see with people, not everyone has the same shaped head

[@thottsandsprayers241]

"Most rarest bear." ...Bye.

[@Nmethyltransferase]

4:51 Brown bear is the most bear of bears.

[@allantulli5546]

Macfarlanes bear was investigated and looked at by a biologist for MONSTERQUEST and it was just a regular bear and is no mystery.

[@ANProductionsOfficialChannel]

Guess you didn't watch the video.

[@mtman2]

​@@ANProductionsOfficialChannel If that was the skull its a Short Faced bear; only to admit it means how wrong they are about everything else...0oops

[@allantulli5546]

Yes i did watch your video and you seem to be oblivious to the fact that there was nothing different about this bear- it's just a regular brown bear not a hybrid or unknown species.@@ANProductionsOfficialChannel

[@d0nKsTaH]

@@allantulli5546 Listen here Polar bear-squeeze.... If he says it was unique... ...Then it was unique. So there.

[@allantulli5546]

It wasn't so grow up.@@d0nKsTaH

[@sunnyquinn3888]

We know polar bear x grizzly bears are a thing. Pizzly bears/Grolar bears depending whether the mother or the father is the polar bear.

[@str8cndian]

Of course Man's first reaction to seeing this natural phenomenon is too shoot and destroy it.. We are weird creatures indeed!

[@ANProductionsOfficialChannel]

It attacked them first.

[@dbx1233]

Do you have a problem with people eating bear meat? If so, you should try it, it taste just like chicken.

[@ANProductionsOfficialChannel]

​@@dbx1233I can confirm. Bear meat is pretty good.

[@giovannisocci4807]

If the option is to allow the creature to kill a man or two,then by all means kill the creature,it outlived it s usefulness.

[@jimshepard3966]

If the bear was checking you out as a possible next meal (as it was doing with them), would you still have that same attitude? When a bear takes an interest in you as it did with them, you are going to be it's next meal.