This cab changes everything for me! (Grossman Fatbox ISO cab)

[@SonicDriveStudio]

Thomann Affiliate: www.thomann.de/intl/index.html?offid=1&affid=3210 ML Sound Lab: ml-sound-lab.com/ Sweetwater Affiliate: sweetwater.sjv.io/k0mGvx My personal Thomann recommendations: thmn.to/thocf/cv37zixo68 My webstore for Captures, presets etc: ko-fi.com/sonicdrivestudio Grossman Audio: www.grossmann-audio.de/en/ Tube Amp Doctor speaker links: V30: www.tubeampdoctor.com/en/celestion-vintage-30-12-60w?number=LCEV30-8&sPartner=SDS Redback: www.tubeampdoctor.com/en/celestion-g12h-150-redback-12-150watt-uk-made?number=LCEG12H-150-8&sPartner=SDS Creamback: www.tubeampdoctor.com/en/celestion-g12h-75-creamback-12-75watt-made-in-uk?number=LCEG12H-75-8&sPartner=SDS

[@n0nyabznss]

They still don't have a distributor in the US......

[@TexAgsArmyVet]

I wonder what the Friedman technique would like in that ISO cab... 🤘🤘🤘

[@RÅNÇIÐ]

That's a nice sounding fridge.

[@SonicDriveStudio]

🤣

[@thediminished98]

Glad I'm not the only one😅😅

[@sheldonwright8770]

Marshall had the opportunity but there fridge didnt cut it 😂

[@EvelioPerez]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@thediminished98]

First fridges had internet, now this?!?! What a tine to be alive 🤯🤯

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

Exquisite choice, good Sir and welcome to the wild world of speakers!

[@ukaszpalkowski8552]

Mr Grossmann made one for me 3 years ago and it’s great! Its not about it sounds better or worse then IRs. It’s about forging your own tone by yourself with ease and for real. And changing the speaker takes less then a minute! Great to see fatbox on your channel. It deserves more recognition than it had to this day. And check out the OAKBOX - it looks stunning! Cheers from Poland!

[@reneotten7376]

Yes the Oakbox is wonderful.

[@igorstavtsev5962]

Sounds bloody phenomenal!

[@SonicDriveStudio]

Tonyyyyyyy

[@martinf.8514]

Have had one for years now and also super impressed by it. Makes recording real speakers just so much easier if you can‘t blast a cab. Also changing speakers is soo easy. Just very well designed in general!🙌🏼

[@DISSONVNT]

It definitely sounds great, honestly might be my favorite sound of any of your videos so far

[@HarkoBarf]

Because it's a real speaker

[@SonicDriveStudio]

Thanks! Nothing against IRs, in fact I'll be making my own IRs. But there's something to be said about being able to sculpt your own tones

[@LonelyRocker]

Very interesting! This is a great setup. So many possibilities!

[@AnthonyStudio]

Thanks for this Video, Heck Yes!! Been waiting over a year to see someone with a Grossman. 100% agree with you - nothing against IRs, modeling, etc., but there is nothing quite like capturing a microphone moving air in the middle of the night while the kiddos sleep. Excited to see the upcoming speaker shootouts. In addition to any Celestion/Eminence speakers (they're great!), would love to see Jensen (tornado / electric lightning) and others, considering your uniquely great playing style and amps. Thanks again Jon, loved this one!

[@wtoddreynolds]

Great demo video! I love my Grossmann SGBox! And Stephan Grossmann is a great guy! I ordered my SGBox when he first started making them and it has been worth every penny. Stephan was kind enough to customize mine with an orange color as well as make it a four mic version (all for extra $$$ of course). I keep a R121, SM57, MD421-U5 and TLM102 in mine and it is just phenomenal sounding. I've since accumulated about 30-40 speakers and have made several speaker rings to accommodate everything from 4" tweeters to 10" speakers (a Mesa Solo Recto head sounds amazing through tiny speakers when close mic'd). I also made a bunch of the "FRESCU" cables and have all of my speakers soldered with them so that everything is quick and easy. Again it has been worth every penny and is built like a tank and sounds amazing. Totally worth the investment!

[@SonicDriveStudio]

Awesome! Love your dedication! I already have a bunch of speakers too

[@alvich]

Another vid i watch about gear I don't need but I absolutely love to watch and listen

[@juanka78]

I have 2 Grossmann and I did the same EQ match years ago. Great sounding stuff.

[@SonicDriveStudio]

@@juanka78 awesome! Did the curve look similar?

[@juanka78]

@ quite similar I have to say.

[@Thelukeswanson]

So good man, love how the match eq made the iso cab sound! Really helped fix the typical issues you hear in iso cabs

[@MindfulProgramming]

love those big chords you throw into your riffs!

[@geno_crazed0308]

Love that you bring real speakers into the game. What a cool tool. After figuring out that the tone i was chasing, wasn't too far off what i eventually got together as improvement at first, the youtube world brought speakers to my attention. Last week i shot out four different speakers to settle on 3. A g12t-75 + greenback in a 2x12 and a cramback H for a semi open back 1x12. But the curiosity for speakers is still going. So i'm excited to checkout your shootouts, especially since your sounds are conistently good. I think i like what i've heard here today the most. for now. Could totally be bias too.

[@heyjarrod]

The different blending configurations, sounded cool. Almost ike an HM-2, Swedish chainsaw. 🤘🏻😝🎸🇺🇸

[@PooNinja]

Love iso cabs. All the tone none of the noise issues

[@GianlucaScarano]

I bought this exact Iso cab (the black one) a feew weeks ago directly from Stephan Grossmann. I equipped it with a V30 like you, I can confirm...sounds great, I'm really happy with that ❤️

[@nomad100hd]

That sounded amazing, very clear but not harsh.

[@VicktoRUrosAndrijasevic]

Video idea: IR vs the Fridge comparison... Not really sure how to do that but there must be a way I guess... Anyway, great video once more! 🤘🏻😎🥃

[@SonicDriveStudio]

Yup

[@SuddenSoundStudios]

Great demo, really helpful. Thanks for the EQ walkthrough!

[@kokkkztse]

Nice content as always Jon!!! Keep it going

[@Hagstrom4ever]

I was looking at them last week, great sounding box for sure, I'll buy it really soon.

[@signal_rr]

That's cool, definitely interested in future speaker reviews with this isocab. Curious to see how youll setup the mics and such in the videos.

[@michlshrudz3850]

This thing is crazy!

[@Marcelo_B_159]

those riffs were sick💪

[@robertdonosobuchner3129]

That's cool! I like also the G12-M 65 Creamback, the Redback GH12-150, the Celestion Neo 250 Copperback....the OverTonez Audio Thick Boy 300w....

[@SonicDriveStudio]

I already have the M65 and Redback, ready for comparisons and IR packs!

[@FastRedPonyCar]

@@SonicDriveStudioThe Redback (in my opinion) really doesn’t impress until it’s cranked hard so this will be a good environment for it. The top end is a bit unpleasant at low to mid volume even after months of breaking it in hard with my Splawn. Once cranked, it smooths out nicely. I really want to get my hands on a neo creamback soon. As much as I love my scumbacks, I think the creamback could give it a run for its money. ..or for more money.

[@FlavioHerbert]

Looking forward to the next videos and thanks for the informations!😑

[@WholeLottaBulldog]

Sounds excellent Jonny

[@Ghostman1846]

I ran the Randall ISO box for a while and it was good but I still had issues with the low frequencies. The attenuation was great, but the resonance of the low frequencies still bothered my apartment neighbors. Even though I didn't run it super loud, I had a hard time getting a quiet setup. I enjoyed using it for recording isolated speakers. I did also change it up slightly after a bit, with some extra sound deadening material inside the sealed cabinet, as well as some on the top lid.

[@Jonathan_Doe_]

That sounds like flanking. Isolating it on a bed of foam might have helped.

[@michaelcarroll5199]

I would love to see a video showcasing Weber speakers. I feel they are very under represented here on KZbin. Like most I tended to use cabinets loaded with celestions of some kind. I transitioned from a gigging musician to recording and music production. After almost 10 years I really missed the crative process of playing in a band. I didn't want to haul my 4x12 back and forth from my studio to rehearsal so I bought a used Avatar 4x12 that had been loaded with 75w ceramic Weber Silver Bells. I was presently surprised at the sound I was able to achieve. The amount of customization that Weber offers is ridiculous. Most speakers are offered in a variety of wattage options, ceramic or alnico magnets, and different construction methods. For such an awesome speaker company I still don't understand why they fly under the radar. I certainly didn't pay them much attention until buying that cabinet.

[@mglickman13]

Sounds amazing!

[@feidias1706]

Nice video, the brand name says it all❤

[@newstuff1107]

Please of course do an IR from it to compare but can you also compare it to an IR of the same speaker into a normal cab? Then we would hear if the iso cab is more detailed or if the normal cab IR is just as good. Great videos, thank you that one is very original. 🎉

[@daka4711]

Thanks for the review. Great option for playing quietly. I would love to see a video with your setup using the FM9. Maybe also some thoughts about differences, if you are using a FM3 instead?

[@felixrockseu]

Great work, thanks

[@PARISONFIRE]

Had a Grossmann more then 10 years ago but it wasnt Fat like this one. I sold it because i couldnt get that Cabthumb out of it, would love to try it out again.

[@charlesrocks]

The Rivera Silent Sister sounds perfect.

[@soundstorm9508]

Nice demo! I've looked at iso cabs extensively, and even had a Box of Doom for awhile, but ultimately just preferred the sound of a regular cab mic'd up. Still looking for the right solution. Also, fwiw, I much prefer the sound of the Grossman without the Match EQ, I think the mids sound more open. I really hope to see you make some comparisons with the lid on and off, and also vs your regular cab and various IRs.

[@smeemusic]

8:40 that’s not so different from my (home made) iso cab. It’s just such a nice tool to have parked in the corner of the room ya know. I can record guitars at 3 in the morning with the wife and kids asleep and I disturb no one. It’s awesome!!! Congrats on picking this up. It’s a real score!

[@SonicDriveStudio]

Thanks! I love it :)

[@smeemusic]

I like how much smaller your box is than mine. It’s got me thinking. I think either I want one of these or to just build a smaller one. Gotta go check how much these cost.

[@smeemusic]

@ well I’m stoked to hear what your different speakers do in it. I can’t wait to hear what speakers you get interested in, in the future.

[@SonicDriveStudio]

@smeemusic keep in mind that they only ship in Europe. Btw, the prices are very good imho. Around 800 euros. Very well built and designed!

[@smeemusic]

@ well I’m in the United States so it looks like I’ll just be building a smaller one. I’m actually interested in hearing the difference in sound between a smaller iso and a larger one with the same speaker. Heck I might just shoot a KZbin video when I do it.

[@tomguit89]

Very cool song as the cherry topping! 👍

[@lostinpa-dadenduro7555]

Really nice. 🔥

[@KreativeDevices]

Straight 🔥!

[@gffg387]

I saw the thumbnail and thought it would go something like: "This minibar changes everything for me. Now I can make reviews of amps and have a cold bear at the same time."

[@PereRevert]

Great stuff Jon! Looking forward to see how do you manage hi-wattage amps into one single speaker within the Fatbox. You are using here a 25 watt lunchbox amp, so there's some limitations though. If they made one version of this iso cab with at least two speaker emplacements, in order to handle higher wattage amp signals, I would get it right away. Thanks for the video man!

[@SonicDriveStudio]

If I don't run the masters high I can use high wattage amplifiers without causing any damage

[@PereRevert]

@@SonicDriveStudio I would love to see that in further videos from you, comparing speakers within the Fatbox. Interested in this unit but having mostly 100w amps over here I'm afraid to limit myself running the amps at very low master volumes, as the power amp section of my amps won't react the same to get the sound I'm looking for... or maybe I'm wrong. Will see in your upcoming videos hahaha. Thanks again Jon!

[@SonicDriveStudio]

@PereRevert most of my amps don't rely on power tube saturation to sound good. If I do need to crank an amp I can use a speaker like the 150w Redback for example

[@claudiopetucco]

@@PereRevert I second this. I have the same concern since I own mainly hi-wattage amps and I would not be sure what would be a "safe" level...

[@BCThunderthud]

If you do make more videos with this (and I think speaker test will be cool) you should talk during the camera mic in the room part. That would give a good sense of the volume.

[@jasonmusic9938]

that sounds great, i have 2 jet city iso cabs and like the sound but can get a little boxy sounding, i did buy some mass loaded vinyl, neoprene, and a bulk acoustic foam sheet, but havent done anything with that yet. anyways these sound phenomenal.

[@blackeyed.]

the idea with match EQ is great! but I prefer the unprocessed sound because I feel like the eq`d sound is sounding less natural.

[@tete1805]

Got the Randall Isocab a few years ago and went down the rabbit hole, bought around 40 speakers to test. Slippery slope if you ask me.

[@manos6426]

The Gates of Hell just opened!!!!!!!! Buhahahahaahahahahahhha...... I love that thing, and I don't have any space anymore...... my wife will murder me. But the thought of sweet speakers growling connected without loads etc. with the amp....😍

[@wmxx2000]

I can't tell if I like the 2 SM57s together or SM57 #2 and the MD421 more. Really cool piece of gear. Great for someone who wants to move beyond IRs and make "their own" sound.

[@SonicDriveStudio]

Fwiw: when I release my IR packs, you can pick your favorite mic combos! :)

[@joopwolters123]

Now we’re cooking!!!

[@M.Holland]

This was the very first Cap I recorded in Music College 10 years ago. The studio had two of them, for live recordings. These things are amazing!

[@_mysilentblue2227]

I'd be curious to see you take an IR of that set up and do an AB. And give us a take on feel amp speaker mic vs amp IR.

[@everXfrost]

Don't get me wrong :D your IR driven tunes were just so in the sweet spot but - honestly - I had an impression that I hear a GUITAR TONE for the first time in your videos. I remember hearing Rockerverb tests and some real cab micing test but this is something else.

[@kimblez]

sooo much more fun than IRs ....it just is

[@ianfurqueron5850]

Really cool. As far as the appearance, they also sell an oak version that looks more like furniture than an appliance. Not sure about US availability. An FAQ on their website would be helpful.

[@d.l.sstudio8922]

Put this up against a two notes torpedo please! I would love to hear the differences!

[@Ontariosound]

I have a Rivera Silent Sister. Sounds great, but there is a surprising amount of bass leakage. Be aware of that. Has two XLR goosenecks inside for precise mic positioning. Off axis positioning can be done as well.

[@nobot99997_xxl]

wow yes that sound really great. maybe you can do a compare with the IR yu create and the original. and also offer this IR to sell . Guess you are the first i buy a IR pack. if the IR does not sound as the original you can also try the match EQ if it can be better.

[@idiotburns]

This should be the standard for recording

[@LekkerBlanka]

i wonder if it will be some new warehouse speakers… definitely will have to try the LCFR-150

[@SonicDriveStudio]

LCFR is on the way and I got one Warehouse speaker too

[@DreidMusicalX]

Bad ass!

[@CeoTHULHU]

Always thought this would be an interesting way to use the fredman clip/technique.

[@JeremyVarao]

Very cool man! Hope they get US shipping added at some point.

[@SonicDriveStudio]

Yeah that would be great! I guess they'd need a distributor but that would also raise the price. So who knows. Maybe if they get a lot of requests...

[@braxal6983]

I like the demonstration of how loud the iso cab is. I wondered how loud it was if you were talking with the speaker running it. Is it bedroom level? I just want to make sure I understand the exact loudness of the iso cab. I appreciate your video.

[@SonicDriveStudio]

It's hard to convey on video and of course it depends on how loud you set your amp.

[@ralphpezda6523]

I would like to see a video from you about load boxes, IRs, reactive loads, etc., and how to create sounds and use them. Much of it mystifies me and probably many others. Thanks in advance.

[@therealandrecorbin4050]

I use a Celstion in an iso box and so I keep the Marshall turned all the way up. All the time, Cheers everyone

[@deeforty]

I had one of them old silent sister iso cabs by Rivera , I just couldn't get a bright sound with it, just got a torpedo instead lol .

[@tonehammer7276]

I had one of those for maybe 1 week. I sended it back. I just was not able to get a good sound out of it. I tried several mics and positions and various amps. Maybe mine just sucked :D your one seems to sound fine :)

[@SonicDriveStudio]

That's a shame, mine sounds awesome!

[@stegerguitars]

That's awesome....does it also keep beers cold?? Would love to hear this speaker box vs IRs....i love using IRs, but recording with mics seems to give more girth....

[@SonicDriveStudio]

I'll do a comparison soon!

[@DigitalDistortedGuitars]

Will you make some irs with that nice fridge?

[@juliandelrio]

I prefer the sound without the eq...to me It sounds natural but it's Just my preference😅

[@SonicDriveStudio]

It definitely also sounds very good without the match eq

[@NacekO]

Awesome stuff. Maybe do a video if a 120W amp can hurt a 60W V30 or does it work just fine. Seems to be some confusion out there. I've seen youtube videos where a dude plays a 200W Marshall through a 25W Greenback. So is there a danger of blowing the speaker. All I know is that for recording I have never needed to crank an amp to the max.

[@SonicDriveStudio]

I don't use high levels so I'm not expecting any issues but I'm definitely going to be mindful about it and try not to push my speakers too hard

[@GinoGenero]

When you do spkr comparisons, it'd great if you would include the EVM-12L

[@SonicDriveStudio]

I looked at those but they are super expensive....

[@Thansferium]

​@@SonicDriveStudioI have one here u can borrow, in Zeist so pretty close by, also got some Scumbacks ;)

[@angelorasmijn7306]

Jaa, ik ga er ook eentje bestellen! 😊

[@DadoSimicStudiostriver]

Its super amazing solution, but i cant imagine how much shipping for so much heavy device would be.

[@CaryChilton]

Great Rhythm

[@jake13b]

that sounds so good. all the ir box loaders all that that weird digital sound. the OX is the worst. this is so much better.

[@BlueSkiesBlackDeath]

What is it?!? I need it! It looks amazing.

[@drrodopszin]

"And how does it look?" "It's gross man" Jokes aside it's gonna be a game changer in Europe where a lot of people live in apartments. Though, it can't muffle the guitarist tapping with their foot while rocking out. Next we need one for the drummer as well.

[@mvalencia8951]

I assume you can use this cabinet on live performances, right?, where to but a cabinet like this?

[@SonicDriveStudio]

Sure! They even make dedicated road cases. You can buy them directly from Grossman Audio but only if you're in Europe

[@PeterUrbanPhoto]

The million $ question is (as I’m just switching from speakers in the room to IRs) is it all worth it compared to a good selection of IRs, speaking strictly from a resulting tone perspective?

[@metallover8]

Seems like a good compromise between IRs and close mic’ing cabs at high volume

[@The_Ricardo_Sa]

This seems like a great option to record amps, however, if the point of this box is to record a tube amp at high levels using both preamp and power amp tube sound, how do you go around using a higher powered tube amp - lets say 50w or 100w - into a 25w greenback? Are we back to using maxed out attenuation boxes? These can also muffle/ change the sound in undesirable ways?!

[@jamujesperandersen8699]

Did you do any double tracking or is it just the spread of the different mic’s?Is sounds really wide. Great cab and I keed one.

[@SonicDriveStudio]

Double tracking

[@jamujesperandersen8699]

Ok - thank you😊

[@maniphestorchestra]

Top ❤

[@newstuff1107]

I am very surprised to hear that companies are still doing those, it’s like selling analog cameras in the age of the smart phones.

[@jorismak]

I think every guitarist goes through a couple of phases, where your gear turns more digital then back to more 'real'. Some do r once, some five times+ 😉. And some end up at 'real', some at digital, most somewhere in between. Funny to see Jon going from modelers to real amps to real cabs 😀. My eldest son sleeps 8ft away with a 5cm wall, but my youngest son sleeps on the same floor with not much more in between. Playing through speakers is out of the question at night , always headphones. Which DOES reduce my joy in playing guitar. For weekends I have a 8" frfr hooked up to an IR loader plugged into my analog rig. Just to control the volume a bit. I guess I just have to wait till im 50 and my kids make more noise at night then i do 😉

[@piptyson5512]

Speakers...mics...the rabbit hole has no end. I wonder if the box Pandora opened looked suspiciously similar to this one 🤔

[@YsAbTones]

impulses are great but this is way better

[@SonicDriveStudio]

I love IRs too and there's nothing wrong with them imho. In fact, I'll be making IR packs for all the speakers that I'll be getting. Having said that, working with real speakers and mics for a change is a lot of fun!

[@YsAbTones]

@@SonicDriveStudioimpulse responses are indeed very cool and fit the mixes quite nicely, but you loose a lot of informations, plus a real speaker prevents impedance mismatching with loadboxes etc , both great tools but a substitute will remain a subsitute imo, so that grossman is definitly a great tool, they should make a 2x12 box in the future, it would be even closer to the real deal for sure.

[@kevinac4397]

@@SonicDriveStudioI would love to hear a comparison between this iso cab and a custom IR created from the same speaker setup.

[@zendragonmindtuner6207]

My only concern with this is that the speaker is pointed up and speakers are designed to shoot forward. The actual weight of the cone could change the sound a little.

[@SonicDriveStudio]

I haven't noticed anything off really

[@imacashew.]

You should do a song writing video

[@Starch1b2c3d4a]

Nice🎉

[@TavaresProject]

The match EQ is definitely better for overall sound.

[@diequietschbeus8181]

Sounds pretty cool. Only downside I don't think this one speaker would live that long when connected to a 100W amp (especially a Plexi).

[@SonicDriveStudio]

I run my amps pretty low. No need to crank 99% of the amps I have.

[@diequietschbeus8181]

@@SonicDriveStudio Wow thanks for this quick reply! Yeah I didn't mean that I'm planning running the output master on 10 but nonetheless I wouldn't try to put a Greenback in this connected to a Plexi. Thanks for all your videos!

[@SonicDriveStudio]

@diequietschbeus8181 yeah, a Greenback with a plexi isn't going to work but I can still use a 25w speaker with high wattage amps if I don't pound the speaker

[@heyjarrod]

I was wondering, are any of these IR’s or other digital signal paths, good for other genres of music, outside of drop tuning and one-finger guitar playing? I know Ola’s IRs sound great going through his cabs. But I haven’t heard anything that is a good representation of gnarly cranked amp Blues tone… or even a gnarly hard rock tone like early Van Halen.

[@mxp1837]

Hey, I also got one of these. I tend to always pull out a lot of 780ish Hz (Lid on). Can you say something about your experience with this region?

[@SonicDriveStudio]

The match eq boosted some mids and it cut some as well. Don't remember exactly which frequencies. Maybe you can see it in the video?

[@mattvdh]

It sounds more focused and present but I don't know if it's actually improved the sound quality, possibly made worse. There's a weird reflective/hollow sound in the mids that isn't very good. Interesting video nonetheless.

[@SonicDriveStudio]

You mean the EQ? Sounds great to me! I even compared the sound with the EQ vs a take with the lid off and it sounded identical

[@luisguimaraes2176]

Also agree. I much prefered the non eq one. Much more natural

[@adamharvell433]

Sucks they won't ship to the USA 😢