This Carnival of Claptrap | Doug Wilson

[@clay9711]

Often Doug’s thoughts are too complicated for me, but the thoughts on Social contract vs the covenant contract made in the Garden was eye opening and made things make sense for me.

[@umaikakudo]

"Those Who Can Make You Believe Voltaire's Absurdities, Can Make You Commit Atrocities"

[@steffanrhoads1870]

a good case for knowing our bible to refute false teachings

[@joejohnson9499]

It is a relieving thing to know that no atrocities have been committed in the name of Jesus.

[@aallen5256]

@@joejohnson9499 You're being sarcastic, right?

[@joejohnson9499]

@@aallen5256 I am

[@chipseal9403]

I have high confidence that the One who created the universe and everything in it from nothing, would also be able to communicate to mankind in a written form, and preserve that revelation through time.

[@joejohnson9499]

'Would be able to' certainly, but there is no specific indication that it did.

[@joemerino3243]

Such a One could communicate in any way he chose, even directly to each person simultaneously. It would be a pretty odd choice to choose to communicate through an assemblage of plagiarized myths and just sort of make some people believe it and interpret it correctly.

[@ceruleum8853]

@@joemerino3243 well I agree totally. Though as I am sure you would guess from the fact that I am replying to you, I wouldn't say that that is what has happened.

[@scottyyoch3537]

@@joemerino3243 "plagiarized myths" Lol

[@chipseal9403]

@@joemerino3243 See First Corinthians chapter one and Hebrews chapter one.

[@psalm2forliberty577]

Powerful stuff Doug ! Ya makin' my head hurt LOL (The kinda hurt that heals)

[@katherinetope2650]

I listened to this at 1.25 playback speed. So much for saving time since I'm going to have to go listen to it again at normal--maybe slower 😂 speed. The main thing that Pastor Doug and I have in common is that we both hate the social contract! Okay, besides of course our mutual love for the Lord Jesus Christ and His hot Gospel 🔥 Anyway, where was I? Right, Locke had a choke hold on Rousseau because Rousseau begins all his reasonings, I mean ravings, with the presupp that man is basically good. Clearly the man never stayed around to parent a child even though he was all in chains and everything 🤨 I have never once given a lesson on lying but dang my kids are brilliant at it.

[@manager0175]

The Constitution says very clearly that the power of the US government is derived from consent of the governed (not God, nor gods). This is the heart and soul of Locke's Social Contract.

[@mexvantil7523]

The end of Darwin Marx and Freud. We need it.

[@manager0175]

Our post-modern world is also a post-Christian world. The Christian culture prior to World War One has also collapsed. It has been a better world since then. We can never go back. And we shouldn't.

[@bnato8209]

Ok. Good stuff but I will need to listen to it again, and possibly again. :)

[@brothermike434]

You are not alone! Any multitasking skills I have are woefully insufficient when Doug Wilson is speaking. It’s sensory overload, but in a good way.

[@hede_the_call]

Solid, convicting, and inspiring.

[@davidkunze2770]

Good stuff! Thanks pastor Doug.

[@jamesgasaway7784]

I bought 'Why Liberalism Failed' in a bookstore in Brisbane, Australia, of all places during a port visit from my ship a few years back. I recall reading it furiously in my state room and enjoyed it immensely. Though it's incomplete, it's absolutely worth reading. It'll take some of the blinders off to view "Conservatism" aright, understanding how much of the seeming impulses toward "liberty" are rather urges toward license and equally corrupt in its motivations as Leftism.

[@brentheltonj6308]

Shipmate never been to Australia myself I got jipped my westpac, my first cruise was a med cruise in 02 in the gear on the GW no state room for me enlisted and my 2nd cruise was westpac I think in 04 or 05 as an AT with VAW 112 on the Vinson got did shore duty in PMEL lab at Mugu and got out in 09 I’ll have to check out the book

[@IronCavalier]

@@brentheltonj6308 Yes. Because, the impulses toward liberty has killed millions in equal amounts and so, is just as bad. 😂😂😂. They are not equal. 😂😂😂 Thanks for serving, sir.

[@scottyyoch3537]

@@IronCavalier 60 million Since 1973 In 1 country And counting All for "women's liberation" That's a pretty rough track record tbh

[@sennest]

Doug! Methinks much learning has made you mad!!😉😉😁 Luv it, keep it up and update us with this conference, I'd really like to come and listen/see.😎👍👍

[@phazon6179]

incredibly brillant, well done

[@jessedphillips]

Why is it that I have subscribed to every notification from this channel and yet I never get notified?

[@RetailMyDinosaur]

Yyooooo!!!!! Finally!! My thoughts being expressed....only cogently.

[@brentheltonj6308]

The Magna Carta is the closest thing to social contract if you asked me

[@tigermoose4221]

Our problem is we think we are entirely separate and independent of those who came before us. We are a current manifestation of our ancestors and the culture our ancestors developed. We don’t get to choose whether we enter the social covenants they entered. Our ancestors made that choice for us - whether we are taking about the founding fathers or Adam and Eve. We can not break from what has come before but we can influence the direction of the future and our descendents.

[@manager0175]

The world changed radically after World War One. The entire Western culture (what we refer to as "modernism") that began with the Ancient Greeks, collapsed and was destroyed by WWI. Everything changed, good and ill. But one this is for sure, we will never go back.

[@steffanrhoads1870]

another to help get me thinking

[@minutemansmonitor]

If tribalism never beats the ascendant empires, how does one account for Afghanistan?

[@BossBattle21]

Repeatedly, for millennia.

[@scottyyoch3537]

The Persians pulled it off

[@jamesgasaway7784]

Interesting to note that Pastor Wilson's argument is basically that social contract theory is, like socialism, defended by a single argument: it's never really been tried. I like it.

[@thecrypt5823]

Good catch. I use the same argument against libertarianism, lol.

[@umaikakudo]

You missed the premises and conclusion of Doug's argument. If you want to stop committing the futile thinking that this whole piece is exposing I urge you to carefully re-watch and comprehend what he actually said. His claims are far more forceful than "it's never been tried".

[@jamesgasaway7784]

@@umaikakudo Yikes. I bet you're a real gem in person, too. At any rate, I gathered far more than the simple distillation of the single point I mentioned, but thanks for your concern.

[@christophertaylor9100]

I think the social contract is not useless as a structure of building a government or society, it just cannot be the ONLY one, or even the major one.

[@jeffellenberger3963]

Well said Doug, may God continue to bless you and give you strength, and courage. I am glad to be brothers with you alongside all those that fear God and know, trust, and obey Him. The fear of God is the beginning of knowledge and all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are hidden in Jesus the Messiah, and He, the Holy Spirit will guide us in all truth. His Word is True. I thank God for His mercy and grace given to us through Jesus our saviours’ blood and resurrection on the third day, and His gift of rebirth and reconciliation through The Spirit by Him we can give God glory and repent and love know and trust Him through Christ our Lord and Word, who we are given certain hope and eternal life. I thank God we are given the gift of His grace and mercy to proclaim His Righteousness and Glory, to boldly praise Him as who He is: our Lord and saviour, King of kings, The Holy One, and only God, living and eternal, Righteous and just, true and the Almighty, Most High. the way-and the truth and the life. There is no other.

[@manager0175]

Never forget, Duggie is selling books. It is all about the Benjamins.

[@cparker4584]

Deneen titled the book 'Why Liberalism Failed', not 'Why Secularism Failed', because the thesis of the book is that the classical liberalism Doug unabashedly praises is the cause of clownworld, but he curiously fails to engage with any of the author's arguments about why that may be the case. Secularism in fact could be not the result of Darwinism, but the need for people greatly disconnected from traditional sources of culture, faith, and meaning to arrive at consensus. Not sure if Doug is mistakenly missing the point of the book, or intentionally doing so. His statement that a truly liberal order is only possible on a basis of Christian nationalism also doesn't make much sense. Does any Christian nationalist want to tolerate bespoke sexualities? Porn? Drug use? Such a Christian nationalism isn't worthy of the name. I do heartily agree we need a strong, vigorous Christendom, but it looks like it will be forged in the fires of persecution.

[@brentives4688]

You're confusing classical liberalism (respect for individual rights, the free marketplace of ideas, etc) with modern American liberalism (death cults, collectivism, etc).

[@cparker4584]

@@brentives4688 No, but I do believe that classical liberalism leads directly to, and is a necessary condition for, modern American liberalism. After all, what was the main argument for gay tolerance, and later, marriage? That they have the right to live their lives as they please (individual rights), and any faith-based opposition was simple bigotry. Decades of propaganda about separation of church and state had conditioned Christians in this country to allow court cases, legislation, and private acts that their grandparents would not have let pass without violence. I don't want a free marketplace of ideas, if that leads to tranny story hour.

[@gillespaling7039]

​@@brentives4688 classical liberalism leads to modern liberalism. The belief in "all men being created equal" and "inaliable rights" is the nexus of all our woes.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@gillespaling7039 no it’s not

[@MetroplexAerials]

Amen!

[@tigermoose4221]

I think Doug is being too dismissive of the social contract. It is something that instantiates every time a group of individuals get together and enter into an agreement on laws and how those laws will be enforced. The idea of social contract theory is a generalization that describes the all the particular occasions when this happens. This it is not a myth, but a generalization based on species of occurrences.

[@arepadetrigo]

Hear! Hear!

[@adamjohns78]

What's a "hot gospel?"

[@virtualpilgrim8645]

I knew all this stuff already

[@chuckyfarley9465]

See Dunning-Kruger effect for explanation of Doug's confident proclamation.

[@umaikakudo]

Nice ad hominem. Care to attempt to refute the argument?

[@chuckyfarley9465]

@@umaikakudo absolutely. This entire argument is based on the inerrancy of a book that contains a flood myth. Good luck.

[@IronCavalier]

@@umaikakudo He still can’t. 😂😂His proof is based on a lie, as Doug points out.

[@chuckyfarley9465]

@@IronCavalier the world was underwater for a year? Care to elaborate on the time frame and your proof. Man, you guys never verify what you're told from the pulpit. You're also the victim of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

[@IronCavalier]

@@chuckyfarley9465 Pot, meet kettle.

[@flavadave3943]

Ok, that didn’t make sense. How can you say it’s ok to “sin” or go against the social contract simply because none of us ever signed one, thus making it nonexistent; and at the same time claim that a sin against a contract with God is the same as a signature of adherence?

[@kaylar3197]

Perhaps you’re confused because in the first instance he is talking about what philosophers call the social contract - which is nonexistent - this one, he says, is not binding on us, and to break it would not be sin. In the second instance he is describing the Creation covenant which he says *could be described as a social contract* which is most definitely real, and which we prove that we are subject to by sinning. Clear as mud? I tried.

[@flavadave3943]

@@kaylar3197 well the problem there is that you say it’s most definitely real. Of course, you and I believe that. But an atheist would not agree, any more than I would agree that there is a social contract. Which of course is the reason they say they never signed up to adhere to a contract with God.

[@aallen5256]

@@flavadave3943 exactly, no Christians signed up to adhere to the convent of Brahma! No atheists agree that they were created by the god of Abraham.

[@scottyyoch3537]

@@flavadave3943 Does it matter if someone denied gravity? The law of gravity still applies, with no regards to if you believe it or not

[@flavadave3943]

@@scottyyoch3537 I’m not saying that it’s a good argument. Im simply saying that in our society, we have implemented the idea of liberty, aka, free will. So it’s a contradiction to say that someone can just opt out of the social contract free of consequence because they don’t believe it exists, but someone can’t do the same with God. They believe the social contract exists, so no matter right or wrong, it now exists.

[@user-ee2vt7yi3m]

actually there's been two resurrections from the dead, lazarus and jesus :P I know I know, jesus is responsible for both anyways as much as I enjoy doug wilson I'm not a christian, AFAIK god entered my life through synchronicity and tutored me on somewhat christian but not entirely christian views, and I'm still trying to figure an ideal that satisfies biblical readings (not always literally) with darwinian and lockean views of the world (who still make sense to me to this day on many levels) I don't know why god chose to communicate with me via signs but I'm hoping to have a positive impact faithfully as for what I am, one friend mentioned about 20 years ago that I was a skeptic deist in the future, skeptic because I'd believe it when I saw it, and deist because I believe in god, christianity especially CS lewis's mere christianity appeals to me on some metaphysical grounds, but other parts don't work for me and I trust the scientific process as its understood for the last 250 years barring the last 5-7 also I believe in jesus as a prophet, first amongst equals but still a prophet, and I don't believe in mohammed (had sex with a 9 year old, probably not prophet behaviour), but I believe in jesus sacrifice as a vital and massive turning point in human history and view that barring what I consider my best faith interpretation of god's plans for me or others, if he does indeed communicate with me, that christianity is the best religion there is I'm also willing to believe that my own faith in god might not be the best for society as a whole interpretively however, a number of signs from god that made me question certain topics and come to some conclusions about his nature were talked about by the bible and christians in videos I watched after I made my decisions on the topics, and they seem to fall in line somewhat one distinction I make on hell is that I don't believe it's permanent, but it is indefinite, it's possible to repent after death, but the process for redemption is slower and more extreme than doing so in life, that every soul can be redeemed if they're willing to repent, but also that the souls of the "eternally damned" are made up of those who refuse to repent even after god makes it plain and clear to them after death what they did wrong

[@GreatGatling]

You also need to consider a powerful statement made by one of the prophets of Israel that the nations have their gods but God - YHWH - is the king and God of Israel. This distinction and acknowledgement of “gods of the nations” from the God of Israel - if you can come to understand this will sure straighten a lot of things in one’s understanding of the history of the nations, cultures and the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ.

[@GreatGatling]

Lazarus was raised by Jesus. Jesus resurrected Himself or God raised Jesus from the dead!

[@joejohnson9499]

"believe it when I saw it" and "believe in god" So, have you seen god?

[@blogmablog4870]

Lazarus is a resuscitation, not a resurrection. Lazarus would die again. Resurrected people will never die again.

[@joejohnson9499]

@Blog & Mablog Yes. John 11 uses the specific wording of resuscitation. That is how we know the distinction between the two.

[@chernobylcoleslaw6698]

Debate a Christian libertarian please.

[@nothosaur]

Well said. But evolution is not "random" like you said, is it?

[@umaikakudo]

A process not guided by a being with agency is a more accurate way to state it. I too get annoyed with the sloppy use of "chance" and "random" in this topic. To be fair, Doug is purposely using the common lay term. In a talk with an expert who would provide a more erudite and technical answer for how matter exploded for some reason that science can never sufficiently replicate and then wax eloquent about how Evolution appears to be intelligent design but we know that is impossible (because the Science tells me so) so he'll pull some punctuated equilibrium of the gaps out of his hat, Doug would zero in on whatever $5 weasel word the expert is using to define the causal chain and hold his feet to the fire to expose he is standing in mid air with no foundation and no answers.

[@aallen5256]

I think Doug believes the earth is only 6k years old though, so whatever he think happened to the dinosaurs and animals it was bloody fast!

[@aallen5256]

@@umaikakudo You're criticising the idea that "matter exploded for some reason", but in it's place you're positing that a divine being appeared "for some reason", and made all matter from nothing "for some reason", in seven 24hr days? I think reason really has gone out the window..

[@scottyyoch3537]

@@aallen5256 Correct, this is a debate that requires faith, of seeing a pattern and rolling with it

[@aallen5256]

@@scottyyoch3537 what pattern??

[@PaulSwansonIdAu]

First?!

[@BigYehudah]

seems so on my end.

[@PaulSwansonIdAu]

@@BigYehudah well, I just got the Mablog Love Stamp ... not sure what to do with the rest of my life now.

[@manager0175]

Apparently Duggie is ignorant of the fact that our founding father based our nation on the political philosophy of John Locke. Try getting out of Idaho, getting away from your Idaho sycophants, and do some reading for yourself. Stop reading ABOUT folks and READ THE FOLKS that wrote their own stuff. You are perpetuating a lot of false and inaccurate information.

[@DM-dk7js]

Secularism didn’t fail

[@Lombokstrait1]

This video is gibberish from start to end. Hot gibberish.

[@Ephesians-yn8ux]

Doug’s videos do require a certain level of intelligence to understand. Hang around for a while and you may realize that what he is saying is true and makes a lot of sense.

[@andrewbrowne5557]

Hey hey! Charlie’s back! My all time favorite troll!!

[@thewisceeeggg1624]

LoL 🤣

[@scottyyoch3537]

Welcome back Charlie! How's the trolling treating you?

[@andrewbrowne5557]

@@scottyyoch3537 greetings brother! Another member in good stead of the Charlie Renfro Fan Club!