This causes VANOS codes! - E90 Cam Bearing Ledge Failure DIY

[@50sKid]

NOTE: In the video I said they introduced the teflon o-ring in the 2009 model year but this was incorrect, it was introduced in the 2012 model year which was when the N55 engine was released. So, basically, in the LCI "facelift" models.

[@redeemed922]

Where you live buddy ? I’m in jersey need some work on my car 08 550i m sport.

[@JackRR15]

Ahhh fuck this makes sense as to why my 2011 335is are getting these. EDIT: I did the job on my 2011 335is and the seal were teflon/plastic type, it still caused grooving in the tray. Maybe the previous owners beat the car when it wasn't warmed up, I cannot say why it was grooved.

[@stevenchamberlain9955]

What was the mileage this repair was done

[@yiannidee]

@@JackRR15 did you ever get around to doing them? my 12 335is is getting an intake code 2a82. they have metal seals on the is too I assume.

[@JackRR15]

@@yiannidee Hey sorry I never saw the replies and thought I updated my original comment here... my 2011 335IS did indeed have teflon seals and still grooved my bearing ledge. I only replace the intake bearing ledge but my exhaust ws also grooved but without codes, so might have to do that in the future. I was told on the BMW Tech subreddit it can still happens sometimes, I assume maytbe when someone doesn't let the car warm up fuly before beating on it I don't know.

[@JackRR15]

For everyone doing this job, note that you should technically be using the camshaft locking tools BEFORE removing the central camshaft bolts. It avoid putting torque on the timing system when you force to unbolt it. BMW workshop manual says to do this.

[@jonowen6612]

Jason, you’re such a good instructor. Gifted. And we are the beneficiaries. Thank you.

[@endrekalvenes8460]

Greetings from Norway here. I would just like to inform everyone that it is possible to repair this and I repaired both my camshaft trays using a lathe. I linebored ONLY the seal surface that was worn down and then bought a slug of ptfe rod and from it I made oversized Teflon seals to match the diameter of the machined cam trays and everything is okay. The engine is an n53. So if you have time and a lathe this is possible to repair with only the cost of the Teflon round stock and some bolts.

[@50sKid]

Very nice, but that's definitely an advanced level repair!

[@patbutchergodess]

@@50sKid yeah true no really a home repair for the average guy

[@dmarkovina]

Hi, do you have measurements of the custom oversized Teflon rings by any chance?

[@endrekalvenes8460]

@@dmarkovina Sorry I don't have any dimensions for this because both sealing surfaces were mashined just enough to clean up the wear groove and then I made the Teflon seals to fit each seal surface. I took measurements of the area that didn't have any wear and then from a new original bmw Teflon seal to figure out the outer dimensions of the seals. If I would have to do this again I would have machined the cam trays to a specific dimension and made spare seals for them. Anyway the engine is still running strong and has done about 30.000KM with the custom made seals.

[@dmarkovina]

@@endrekalvenes8460 Thank you - but they had to be bigger than the original teflon seals produced by BMW as a replacement for the steel ones?

[@abimmernut]

Jason, you keep out doing yourself! Great DIY that a lot of guys will need sometime. Keep them coming.

[@malcolmgodshield6837]

Hey man I did this work when I was rebuilding my n54 it becomes a headache when you putting the timing kit back on lol as the camshafts need to be strait with the little QR code facing straight at you but mine each time I tried to put the tool to hold it in place after tightening would see that it hitting it and was not perfect straight but then I got it right and this was my first time dealing with an engine it is an amazing experience as you learn so bloody much

[@killabee623]

Nothing like a straight 6 motor. I love em!

[@simplelangperorock]

My go to guy! 50’s kid delivers again!

[@ynebogatov]

Really not looking forward to this ... But it's always a relief knowing that there's a 50skid diy on the procedure.

[@normaano]

I really appreciate the work you have put into this and your work for the community. Excellent turtorial! I have always been worried about the "special tools" :D good to know its not necessary!

[@mcdoob]

Wow, you really made this job seem a lot less intimidating than other videos I’ve seen. Thanks man 👍

[@questfor10s]

Before removing the VANOS phaser adjuster bolts at 13:05 I think you’re supposed to have the cam alignment tool installed at this moment. Otherwise you’re torquing against the timing chain and when they are loose nothing is holding the cams in phase except cam bearing friction. 👍

[@corbinhollingsworth134]

Yes exactly right I’m in bmw school

[@junlen11]

It doesn’t matter because he is re timing the motor anyway

[@kennethlanier3604]

I was wondering that as well. I was like man he’s doing it with no tool isn’t it going to move? Doing this job right now so glad I saw this comment.

[@MT-cr1to]

He had the crank pin installed.

[@stocke46]

what bmw school ? @@corbinhollingsworth134

[@Bussdownbandit]

I watched did my research on how to diy this job and every video or post i was still confused on how to do it but you made it very clear thank you for bringing confidence into me taking this job myself

[@aaroncarpenter2999]

Great video, man. I got here because I may have to do the exhaust cam on my N55 project. I am only getting exhaust VANOS codes (thankfully since on the N55 the intake being bad means new head). If I end up replacing the exhaust clamshell, I am definitely using this video!

[@mR_Reddexe]

Jason! Thank you so much for doing this video on the teflon upgrade as well as the HVA lifters! I need to do this on my N52! And you made it simple to follow.

[@lx4118]

Good job 50sKid, really appreciate the effort. I have a BMW N52 2012 and I hope I doesn’t have to do this. It is fun tinkering with the engine, but sometimes I’m thinking to buy a Lexus and just drive it without getting my hands dirty. I know it will be boring and I’ll have to find something else to do for fun.

[@craigmosley3875]

You're a legend. Thanks for the great coverage on this diy!

[@saintyaady2308]

Bro is a real gift thanks u helped me retime my engine an new seals

[@renatitorenatito1708]

THANK YOU "J" GREETINGS FROM TORONTO, CANADA, GOOD JOB AS ALWAYS. YOU ARE STILL MY HERO.

[@edwardmerida3252]

Also if the insert is missing from the oil filter cap this will also cause vanos faults. Many over look this. I believe those cam phasers are the old style ones. I’ve replaced many of those for vanos faults also. The bolts are prone to backing out or breaking

[@Aj-hc9zf]

What is a insert on oil filter cap and does a 03 bmw 745i have one?

[@mircea-alexandruluncan8566]

I have the design without vanos bolts but at idle I have a strange noise that resembles the one from broken vanos bolts…

[@bradtanner3870]

Loved this video. You went above and beyond on this one once again. Thanks!

[@questfor10s]

The reason for using the cam ledge alignment tool 32:40 is for the alignment of the cam journals to a 1/1000th of an inch accuracy, but also a side benefit is to keep the bottom cam ledge from separating as you’re bolting them down.

[@JackRR15]

Man it's the only thing holding me back from doing the job. That really worries me but I can't read any info online. 500$ tool.

[@ttinnovations3310]

50s Kid is back !!!!! woot woot , good to see ya !!!

[@50sKid]

Thanks!

[@lp2565]

Great video, Jason. Even though I don't have a E90, these are still interesting to watch. Will make an effort to start reviewing the E46 videos once again.

[@50sKid]

Thanks man, I'm trying to keep it interesting if I can.

[@maxpayne579]

Great Video, as always. Thanks for sharing, Jason.

[@50sKid]

Thanks for watching!

[@civilengineer454]

That was a great video. I have to do the very same job on my 2010 X3 with an N52 engine. Thanks it was very helpful!

[@damonedwards6724]

Thx man that was a really nice well explained with details in the E-90 engine.... keep up the good work and I appreciate you sharing the task here on KZbin man!!!🤩😎

[@50sKid]

Glad you liked it!

[@petershulick5270]

I would think if you have two or four bolts or the Ender when you go to lay the camp shellback in place you could start tightening those down by hand on either end

[@mrsam5350]

Thanks for the info, upload and explanations 👍🏽 Totally Appreciated thanks

[@pavelshmelov5775]

@50sKid can you help a brotha out? How did you take the cam bolts off without using the special locking tools and just the flywheel pin? Is that fine to do?

[@Cryptolorian]

I have a BMW E90 and the engine light came on, my garage cleared it and it seems to be ok but he did warn me that if the VANOS Solenoid is an issue then it could be very expensive to fix as the issue is inside the engine. Could this be true and if so could he be talking about the repair shown in this video? How much should I expect to pay for such a repair at a garage here in the UK? Thank you

[@bigdeal87]

Part number of the rings? Thx

[@tanyaradzwachamarime470]

Fantastic work Jason

[@kingslinga546]

Great job and video Jason. Pls update us if the vanos codes return.

[@ganeshnarayan5505]

Great video 50sKid i don't have a BMW but i like to watch your videos.

[@johncoss5604]

Really enjoy the diy videos you do.

[@50sKid]

Thank you!

[@Bmizzzle1]

Though it is common enough that they exposed an SIB addressing it, we don’t and didn’t see many bearing ledge wear. Yes every now and then, but not frequent. I suspect if those engine owners did more frequent oil Changes- the wear wouldn’t occur

[@edwardhenry7119]

Hey bud, what happens if you let it go un repaired and just drive with no cares?

[@exiteternium]

FCP euro now sells this as a clamshell refresh kit, with the teflon seals.

[@corbinhollingsworth134]

The special tool is to 1 check if the cams are in correcting timing with the crankshaft then it holds down cams when your releasing the vanos actuater

[@frnkjones40]

How many points of failure do you need?

[@VictorCruz-m4p]

Could this also be causing a low oil pressure? and how many hours did the job take to do? thanks this video is so helpful.

[@miketurin5233]

Hey. Great video. Do I have to lock the flywheel when replacing only the vanos adjusters? I locked the camshafts so wondering if the flywheel lock is required.

[@jeffrey0802]

Another great video! Thanks 😁

[@josephbonilla5910]

Thanks for sharing l got 2009 bmw 335xi saund like exhaust camshaft taping noise but no misfire code just for vanos know sensor too l just take valve cover out to see if has metal damage but l found need tools to hold cams May after take cams out will be see something this video helps lot thanks you 🙏 so much

[@getitdone6694]

Can these ledges be fixed in the 328i heads? Or do you need a new head?

[@mailpup]

Maybe I missed it but it wasn't completely clear to me if you used the junkyard cam with the junkyard cam tray or did you use the original cam? I'm guessing junkyard to junkyard parts correct? Anyway, as usual a very clear description and narrative in the video. That, to me, is your trademark.

[@50sKid]

That is a good question and... I don't remember. I also don't think it would have mattered which one I used because it has roller rockers. Premature valve lobe wear was only notorious on flat tappet cams in older American cars but I've never heard of that being an issue in BMW engines. Thank you for the compliment man, I do work hard on trying to be as clear and concise as possible. I missed that detail though!

[@xXGamester109Xx]

you're a legend bro, thank you.

[@RomanTrollanski]

Hat off to you Sir! Mind telling us what was the mileage on the car when you did the job?

[@raymartinez5327]

@50skid can you link where you got the lifters please great video thanks for the help!

[@50sKid]

www.ebay.com/itm/232266149843

[@raymartinez5327]

The only other question I have it how do you make sure they stay on top on the cam?

[@50sKid]

@@raymartinez5327 The rollers? You just be careful and double check that they didn't slip off. It's all in the video.

[@raymartinez5327]

@50skid thanks again you been a life saver

[@raymartinez5327]

I have one other question I was going home and car went into limp and was not able to clear the code got home and reader showed a U30B7 only thing I can find is this O2 sensor signal stuck rich bank 2 does it sound accurate? Thanks again @50skid

[@ButteredPeanuts]

Hello, I am trying to get a car at TDC and the crankshaft won’t turn. I took out the spark plugs and left the car in park with the e brake and I can’t seem to get it to budge. What is the issue? It is a n51 automatic.

[@benbullock971]

Great informative videoss. Could this also happen on an N62 4.8 V8? Im having issues with intake cam error codes and it is not moving on INPA graph. I have replaced all sensors, Vanos actuators, oil, checked all connections etc... I'm out of ideas. Thanks Ben

[@pablolopez5426]

Hola que tal amigo, el caso aqui es que no encuentro esos o-ring de teflon, no sé si me puedas proporcionar un sitio en donde buscarlos y que hagan envíos internacionales para aca a México

[@rezadm]

How you gonna line up the camshaft to prevent valves damage?

[@Sandiego1976md]

I'm doing this job Right now replacing all the lifters. To lock the flywheel with the pin is it the gold pin or black pin? I have the gold one in place but experiencing some play clockwise and counterclockwise. Is that normal? The QR codes are facing upward. 🤔 Any feed back will be appreciated.

[@HaydenMiami]

Thank you very much for this video. I'm chasing a horrible idle on this N54 E93 I just picked up from a friend. Codes are 2A99 and 2A9A. He was frustrated with it and said to me it's probably the cam ledges. Did I hear right that all N5x motors use the same Cam Trays and that LCI motors should be using Teflon rings? Can u please confirm? Hoping to get lucky at the junkyard.

[@50sKid]

Try replacing the vanos valves first. Yes they all use the same cam trays and supposedly the LCI N55s are using the teflon rings but I won't believe that until I've taken one apart in a junkyard! lol

[@austinmerrival927]

Did you ever figure out the 2A99 issue? I currently have the same code and am pretty sure at this point that the bearing ledges are the issues.. I've already checked and cleaned all camshaft and crankshaft position sensors, Vanos solenoids, Vanos non return valves, new oil filter cap, and changed oil and filter twice in less than 1,000 miles. I've also retimed the engine properly which helped it run perfect for about 6 days until 2A99 and 3001 came back up again. Hoping to hear that you've found a result within the past year.

[@HaydenMiami]

@@austinmerrival927 This car has been on the back burner and weirdly enough, within the past few weeks I've been prepping for oil change and cleaning of solenoids & CPS's, I've been battling with the reality that I have to buy that Cam ledge kit from FCP or ECS and rent a cam lock tool. @$565+ each cam ledge, plus bolts etc. This is an expensive & tedious repair. I've wondered about repairing the groove in the cam tray by sanding or refinishing, but I can't find anyone that's attempted it. I see WolfAutoparts sells used starting @ $169. I'm always DIY, but I'm thinking I may need to hire some help here. 😢

[@mb24777]

so just to be clear, if i keep getting the intake vanos code after replacing it with a new oil filter cap and filter, i need to replace the intake cam tray? i do see some oil leaking on the right side of the motor

[@boost7236]

When the lock pin is in , does that mean it should not move from the hub from either way?

[@christopherestay2483]

Great video man, you really take your time and explain! Is there any other shot on apart from the vamos code? I feel a slapping noise when I give my car some gas, anyone know what it could be? Cheers and thanks in advanced

[@pixelbath2131]

Hey can yoi please tell me if this happens on E53 m54 3.0s? All i could find was people talking "N" engines even the service bulletin from BMW did not mention M54...

[@joegallardo9784]

I was wondering if I can get that parts number on the lifters. Thanks!

[@hulk-smash-deez-hose.7951]

Very well detailed with all your videos keep up the good work 👍man 🏆

[@goddesseddog]

The camshafts are also worn.

[@TheNewMechanic]

Great video as always!!! Unrelated - If you ever have access to an S65 engine (e9x M3), I would LOVE for you to rod bearings on that engine!

[@50sKid]

That would certainly be challenging on jackstands! lol

[@TheNewMechanic]

​@@50sKid For sure! I'm hoping to do it within the next year. If you want to come out to Maryland you're welcome to help me (and film)!

[@50sKid]

@@TheNewMechanic That's a tad far for me

[@BmwMe-uh9sy]

@@50sKid nd he will even offer to pay for your ticket

[@BillyDhaK1d]

@@TheNewMechanic Theres a lot of shops in the DMV area that can do rod bearings :p

[@oiygfdxssfgg]

You're very good Jason

[@Angel-kz7kz]

I have a 07 bmw 535 it’s making a loud knocking noise and the codes I pull up were vanos camshaft solenoid I replaced both of them and it didn’t not fix the problem do you think my camshaft bearings can cause that loud noise

[@toothferrin]

Amazing video! thanks for giving us confidence

[@50sKid]

Happy to help!

[@philtechGT3]

Great video ! But how did you aligne the cam phasers ?

[@50sKid]

It’s in the video. The timing tools have a jig for that

[@kennethlanier3604]

@38:47 is exactly how I feel every time I crack this car open. I spend most of time searching for the bolt I just had on my hand or the part that I just removed. Frustrating 🤣

[@rodiddy4983]

Excellent content! I I'm glad your making videos again. Just curious how much you paid for all the parts. I have an 08 e60 535i with 230k miles. Haven't had any issues with this yet but I know I should do it.

[@50sKid]

The teflon rings are super cheap, I don't even remember. The cam trays were very cheap too. Probably like $50. Of course you're not gonna get that price unless you go and put in the work to find a unicorn. :-)

[@kaidenbigboy6028]

I’m getting VANOS and a crank/cam code and my engine is knocking on my n54, can cam related issues cause knocking?

[@skdenes01]

Hello, I have N46 engine, I assume, I might have the same problem, as I've already replaced, - Vanos - vanos actuator - sensor - timing re-set issue still exist, position not reached (ISTA - Vanos test) Is there a special part for my engine as well ? thanks

[@boost7236]

What if I don’t have the chain tensioner thing to fix the slack? Is there anyway to do it

[@captainsergeant]

Everybody goes gaga over having the prior maintenance records, and yet I have found on my own BMW a third of the work was not actually completed. I've got original valve cover gaskets that are crumbling apart yet according to the receipts I have, they should have been replaced. As I continue to dig further into my '05 Z4 I'm finding more and more of this stuff.

[@CrazO9111]

Is this problem still a warranty replacement when i got a 135i for 2008? You changed the entrance with new Tevlon rings + bearing shell and the output you didnt or?

[@kramregnu2945]

Man, I thought the engine space inside my 2011 Mini S Clubman was tight when I recently changed the timing chain. Good luck

[@69oakfan]

Does this issue pertain to a 2001 740i ? I'm hearing the 'tapping' Sound. I haven't replaced my Solenoids yet nor have I replaced the tensioner I acquired the vehicle about a month ago still working on stuff. Thanx

[@gowasiem]

No, e38, e39, e46, e53 used a different type of vanos systems.

[@69oakfan]

@@gowasiem Thank you for the reply much appreciated

[@gowasiem]

@@69oakfan Ik the e38 740 vanos is a big job and should be done when u do the time chains

[@50sKid]

Check out my series on the M62TU engine from earlier this year. There is a VANOS video in the series. Very in depth.

[@baims8367]

50sKid ? I gambled on a 09 bmw 328xi 1 owner 103 k solid clean car for my daughter she's 16 the just cranks lady parked for few months I replaced battery registered a new one and car just turns over code is crank cam correlation. I gambled on this just being a crankshaft sensor as ive seen many other e90s crank and crank exactly like this and then fire up w new sensor.. what are your thoughts sir? I haven't attempted the crank sensor just yet im a bit nervous lol I pray it isn't timing I mean 103 k u wouldn't think it be a timing issue just yet hoping u see this I value your opinion and videos u do a excellent job w them. thanks in advance man.

[@henryt9254]

I sold my Tesla Model Y last week. It was a 2021 model that I bought in March '21 and after owing it for 7 months, the buyer (CarMax) paid me 10K more than what I paid for. While I was there, I asked them to run some numbers on my daily driver E90 BMW. They appraised it at $2.9K. Now we know why people are dumping their BMWs.

[@numberpirate]

I read that one out of six BMWs built since 2013 have had their engines replaced under warranty. This sounds irrational to me as no company could stay in business with reliability like that. Anyone know better?

[@50sKid]

Nah I call BS.

[@davelowets]

I don't believe that either. These are some pretty tough engines.

[@estear1718]

Getting that locking pin out was the hardest part... I almost gave up on trying and on my last go at it I got it out. Question I have the BMW locking pin in place buy im still Getting play from the crank hub. What am I doing wrong.what pin did you use the black or silver?

[@davelowets]

Submerge your new lifters in a container of oil, and leave them soak overnight. Give them a couple of squeezes under the oil before you take them out. You will see a few air bubbles come out of the lifter. Then install them. They wont run dry for as long when you fire it up, and it won't clatter as bad or as long. Just don't pump them more than a few times under the oil, you don't want to over pump them and have a hung valve when you go to start it. I've over done the lifter pumping under the oil once on a G.M. engine, and it had ZERO compression when I went to start it the same day, after I got it assembled. I let it sit for a few hours and the overpumped lifters bled down and it was fine then. It may seem like overkill to pre-fill the new lifters with oil, but I like to do it to avoid the minute possibility of a collapsed lifter during the time they run dry on the first start-up. I did have a new lifter collapse once before I started doing the lifter soak, and never had it happen again after I started doing it. Maybe it was a fluke, maybe not. 🤷🏻

[@darrellrobinson6178]

Like your channel have a 2011 BMW with the n52 engine that has a lot of valve train rattle in it when it's cold it's really loud when it warms up it goes away just slightly but you can still hear the rattle in it what could it possibly be

[@50sKid]

Stuck lifters

[@TerrySmith-em4ph]

What Cam bearings are you talking about, I never seen them ?

[@kendtchileninjah5905]

Thanks for the clip my friend There’s tons of giggity’s after 9:50 lol

[@neverenoughammo462]

Great vid thanks for all that you do, I'm in the market for a new project car after my e46 was totalled a week after I got it 100% sorted thanks to your vids. Guess e90 it is.... Also big turbos when?

[@petershulick5270]

I'm sure if they made steel or stainless clamshells for your camshaft they would probably be too high cost to much to purchase?

[@Tippey764]

I’ve broken a cam in an m50 before by tightening it down unevenly. The design is very similar.

[@paul17109]

If it wants a torque spec plus 60 degrees, isn't that by definition what a torque to yield bolt does?

[@50sKid]

Yeah you have a point there, but I checked twice and they do not need to be replaced according to the BMW info. They are 10.9 grade bolts though so that must have something to do with it.

[@fordymicra]

Should use the tool to hold the upper and lower cam carriers together it makes a big difference

[@davelowets]

Nah, I never use it. Never had any issues. Just be gentle, careful, and go slow while you tighten the bolts.

[@fordymicra]

@@davelowets youve never come across a M3/M4 engine with a cold start top end cam knocking then clearly

[@davelowets]

@@fordymicra Nope. Never had to remove a cam on that engine.

[@petershulick5270]

Obviously if they didn't do the exhaust camshaft Holdings they would have done the intake camshaft but probably did not! You should contact BMW and make them reimburse you!

[@getitdone6694]

Does anybody have 2A7C and P052B codes? I am trying to figure out if my N51 head has the grooves I checked everything else and got to this point.

[@murigerick]

Man your videos are really fantastic 👌

[@horrychan2304]

Great job lad! Did you try rotating the crankshaft to test the camshaft position with the timing too before 2 x 90 degree screw final torque? I had a scenerio like the camshaft position slightly unfitted to the timing tool even torqued all with the tool.

[@50sKid]

No, but had no issues with the job. Cars running great

[@davelowets]

I've never had any issues like that either. Was your tool worn-out, or perhaps from China? 😲

[@horrychan2304]

@@davelowets the tools were from my fren and origin unknown:) it only had a slight unfit at the rear of inlet camshaft. You even can't notice it from the front vanos. Probably it is still under the tolerance of N46.

[@davelowets]

@@horrychan2304 Most likely. I can't imagine a slight misalignment of less than a degree making a whole lot of difference.

[@MyongGong]

fantastic video! thanks for this!

[@davidb5884]

I recently had this issue on a 2009 E91 as well.

[@greathey1234]

Try oil filter mechanism and vanos filters first.

[@jhncvngh]

Thank you Mr Jason, a question for you, if there is no/slight wear on the ledges can simply replace steel o-ring with a teflon? Or need new cam ledge if there is slight wear?

[@jhncvngh]

also and happy to see your arm has is healing

[@davelowets]

I wouldn't be afraid to run the Teflon seals on a "slight" wear situation. I believe the Teflon seal has a better ability to take up some slight wear than the steel rings did. Obviously the Teflon will cease any more wear happening.

[@austinmerrival927]

Did you end up trying to replace just the seals with the teflon ones on your slightly worn ledges?

[@mrdude3540]

Hey bud i am glad you are back posting videos. I have a question i have a 2005 325ci and not sure how it happened but my intake manifold cracked not sure how it cracked but im thinking of too much air build up? Can you help shed some light on what you think what could have caused it. I appreciate it 👍

[@50sKid]

I've never heard of an intake manifold cracking! Where did it crack? Do you live in a very cold climate?

[@mrdude3540]

@@50sKid no i live in Northern California. Just normal weather. It cracked on the side closer to the radiator. Lol

[@50sKid]

@@mrdude3540 We're talking about the intake manifold and not the coolant reservoir right?

[@mrdude3540]

@@50sKid yes lol. Intake manifold. It cracked on the side closer to the front of the car. Can a bad mass air flow senser or spark plugs cause that? I am stumped.

[@50sKid]

@@mrdude3540 No no, it wasn't caused by some other part being bad. I would suspect a defect in manufacturing before anything else. If you have pictures, I would love to add them to my collection. You can email them to me at jason at 50skid dot com.

[@miketurin5233]

What happens if you keep driving the car and accept the engine check light?