THIS changes EVERYTHING! Intel Alder Lake Non-K OC

[@friendlyoctopus9391]

If this feature stays, I would actually very strongly consider Intel over AMD for my next system... So I'm sure Intel will remove it.

[@tilburg8683]

Probably, amd doesn't have much market share and I doubt that will change any time soon. Maybe if AMD had like 40% more market share than the 20% orso they have intel would play nicer.

[@AlfaPro1337]

@@tilburg8683 AMD already has a huge market share in both consumer and enterprise solution.

[@AlfaPro1337]

Would you have an unstable system over a stable one?

[@DarkoPetreski]

@@AlfaPro1337 I like to OC the shit out of my hardware. If I need stability I will run it stock... Having the freedom to choose would be great.

[@vMaxHeadroom]

I think Intel will leave it, after all these CPU's are for tweaking by enthusiasts and Intel have been on the back foot. This sort of positive coverage is something to be embraced and is only a plus for Intel....fingers crossed.

[@jonathanellis6097]

If there is a more budget friendly board out there that would allow this it could be great. Buying an expensive motherboard and then a cheeper CPU doesn't make a massive amount of sense for most users, but this has potential to make overclocking for normal users relevant again.

[@mikerzisu9508]

It isn’t even that much cheaper either

[@christopherjackson2157]

@@mikerzisu9508 yes the price is pretty close. All that's changing is how much goes to Asus and how much goes to Intel.

[@Verpal]

Technically nothing stop a board partner from adding an external clock into B660 board, however, potential demands sees pretty low.

[@DrNoBrazil]

@@Verpal based on?? The survey about something no one knew about a few hours ago?

[@BlastyMcNoAim]

Agreed . It ain’t really worth it for budget oriented builds with 12400F but OC build for the fun of it. I guess ok.

[@thehoodedportal2383]

you should start a spreadsheet were the community can submit whether boards have this feature or not :)

[@yakacm]

Wow berb8uer looks so stoked about this, good work.

[@CuttingEdgeRetro]

I mean.. now I want to see how far a 12100 can go. That just might end up the ultimate goat for the 12gen if it can clock just as high.

[@christophermullins7163]

Those boards are not cheap.

[@EBMproductions1]

my thoughts exactly cause so far the i3 is a monster and for gaming it's perfect.

[@EBMproductions1]

@Shraf2k Exactly i hope he tests this soon like damn.

[@monotoneone]

12400 is the top bin though, 12100 being the lowest.

[@thoughtsofapeer]

@@monotoneone Shouldn't matter if the 4 cores on the 12100 is perfect, and there are only faults in the cores not being used

[@karehaqt]

What are the chances that Intel make ASUS remove this feature?

[@der8auer-en]

what are the chances of the pope being catholic? :D :D

[@karehaqt]

@@der8auer-en 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@CjqNslXUcM]

We have the working BIOS versions now, so it doesn't matter.

[@JohnDuthie]

@@der8auer-en Upload the bios to Google drive before Asus pulls it!

[@der8auer-en]

already saved all current BIOS. No worries

[@arimcbrown]

Cool, I managed something like this ~9yrs ago with my i7-3770(non-k) and an Asus Sabertooth Z77. It isn’t supposed to be overclockable. Yet it does. Still rocking that PC today as my desktop. 🙂

[@dvlx8453]

same i5 6402p @ 4.8 ghz with msi z170 a pro

[@quakeev334]

Nice, I've got a ~10 year old cpu (i5-3570K), still in use for me today

[@arimcbrown]

@@quakeev334 yup, same generation. What motherboard and GPU did you pair it with?

[@Splatterboy519]

It would be really cool to see how some of the other non-K parts work with this feature as well. The i3 12100 would be an interesting thing to see. And think of the unimaginable power of the 12700F if there are no thermal issues!

[@alsteooaai]

Why 12700F and no 12700?

[@PDXCustomPCS]

I have a 12100F at 5.2Ghz. Its insane how fast they are for the money.

[@P2PC]

Really good video Roman! reminds me of classic overclocking with blck such as on 486 systems. You should try get hold of a 486 and and mainboard to take it to the max with LN2, would love to see it!

[@diaman_d]

we could always oc the busclock. Stability and the expansions must be able to handle it , that was the problem. This doesn't really oc the overal busclock, it's fake busclock overclocking. It's memory overclocking really. Meh, lots of sensationalism lately. Cheap.

[@devnull220]

I love this idea.

[@kleinbottled79]

Retro OC. I can dig it.

[@Morpheus-pt3wq]

This also happened in the past, in Haswell era - sort of. It wasn´t about overclocking non-K CPUs, but about B85 chipset allowing overclocking of K CPUs on certain motherboard models. Ofc intel did everything possible to block it. I suppose, that it will happen again, since why would intel then produce "K" CPUs?

[@gagarin777]

If you look even further into the past then both intel and AMD didn't bother blocking FSB overclocking for cpu's with locked multiplier. Core 2 Duo era cpu's on LGA775 were overclocking like crazy. Make 3GHz cpu into 5GHz no problem if you can cool it and have good mobo (at that time it meant spending 115$ on Gigabyte EP45-UD3R, now it won't even be enough to buy garbage).

[@seylaw]

Haswell also got a CPU bug which is also known as the Turbo Boost Unlock, that's great for unlocking more performance on Xeons! I use a 2696v3 on a Chinese X99 board (18 Core, which boosts up to 3.8 Ghz - unfortunately the TDP limit restricts this, so under full load even with some undervolting you get 3.1 Ghz in heavy workloads on all cores, not too bad still). It's still a great budget offering though. :)

[@TheBogimen]

you always could OC non-K CPUs on Z boards. It was heavly limited because it had locked multiplier - and blck oc usually is making everything else unstable.

[@Luke357]

The H97 platform was OC capable I was they kept it like that way because OC on an H670 board now would be amazing.

[@Lazuriteplays]

I bclk'd an i3 6100 on an asrock board

[@OCDyno]

You need a board with an External clockgen to do this, which for MSI only MEG boards have this, don't know about other vendors but I'd assume the budget boards will not have this

[@EBMproductions1]

man i legit will cough out the extra cash if this feature stays and get me an i3 12300 and see what i can get in games.

[@zap7759]

If someone can verify the setting is on the Unify-X I'll buy.

[@Jimster481]

@@EBMproductions1 Well that is cool, but if the board is like $250-300 then it makes little sense to run an i3 at 5.1Ghz just because... I mean if you have single threaded games it might be pretty nice, but remember that the lower cache amount on the i3's turn into lower performance numbers. So a 5.1Ghz i3 for example won't be able to match a 5600x in most any game since the IPC will be destroyed (in gaming) due to the lower cache amount.

[@noxious89123]

@@Jimster481 If it's only high end boards that allow this then it makes little sense. For most users it would be more sensible to buy a cheaper motherboard and a more powerful CPU.

[@OCDyno]

So I checked the entire Asrock LGA 1700 lineup since they're the only ones who mention the clockgen in their specs, and only the Z690 Aqua (and OC), Taichi and PG velocita have it. It has been confirmed to work on the B660-F D5 and B660-G and speculated to work on the B660-A since it's strix, no word on msi products

[@Ludak021]

I've been using this method for past..well, since Ivy Bridge. Up the power limits (since non-K is gimped by default) to ~150W to ensure max boost all the time, up the bclk till the memory is not stable, tweak then repeat etc. You always needed Z board for this, so it wasn't wide spread. BCLK is unlocked by default on Asrock mobos, afaik.

[@ondrejbrandejsky5592]

on Ivy bridge you could use even a H board and change the BCLK

[@everope]

You could already set the PCIe clock separately on the X58 platform which allowed BCLK overclocking on those sweet i7-900 and xeon X5600 CPUs. Glad it's back, let's hope it becomes ubiquitous.

[@siberx4]

My previous system before my current Ryzen 5900x was exactly this; an EVGA X58 board that started with an i7-920 and was later upgraded to an X5670. As you say, you could adjust base clock without disrupting the rest of the system, and I ran the 920 at about 4-4.1GHz and the X5670 at 4.2-4.3GHz (30-50% overclocks depending on how you're counting). The overclock and late 6-core CPU upgrade helped keep that system usable for over 12 (!) years before upgrading to my current rig. Roman makes a great point in this video that the real history of overclocking is not about taking the highest-end parts and pushing them a little bit further (a space that's gotten gradually squeezed out as manufacturers get better at binning their chips right at the limit and having them dynamically adjust to quality) but with taking low-end to mid-range parts and tweaking them up to perform closer to the high- end parts. Classic overclocking CPUs like the i7-920, Celeron 300A, G3258 and others were all "low end" in their price bracket, but that's partly what gave them lots of headroom to hit much higher clocks. Hopefully this kind of overclocking sees a renaissance, but I'm doubtful Intel will allow this kind of thing to stick around for long considering the extra margins they make by flipping a bit on certain chips to make them "overclockable".

[@losergamer04]

This brings me back to OC in the pre-K OC. Intel recently added a dedicated clock generator for pci-e, allowing this to be a thing again.

[@TheSlowDude]

Just did a OC on my 12400 with the Asus ROG strix b660-f. (Bios 1003) Works great!

[@qT_p13]

What i love is the enthusiasm in this video. You speak and its like you're out of breath throughout.

[@adiirfan01]

flashback to skylake era, running my i5 6400 to 4,7 ghz all core for daily, just hope intel not forced motherboard vendor to remove this feature like in the past

[@ChrispyNut]

I'd wondered if this was gonna be a thing again, it's nice to see it there even though I'm sure it'll be removed (as usual) soon. At least there are some BIOSes in the wild that allow it for us nerds (who have more money than me and can therefore afford new stuff).

[@kawag2780]

It will be exiting though

[@RN1441]

If this level of performance is generally available from the (10nm 'superfin' now known as intel 7?) process, and not just a golden sample situation then it's very good news. Doubly so if Intel can hold back their anti-consumer market segmentation instincts and allow these options to stay on the motherboards (unlike what they did with AVX-512 options).

[@scaryonline]

I dont think intel will do any anti consumer practices until they surpass amd by a margin. This will never happen because amd is now a big company and they are much better at handling intel and nivida than they were before. I think people should focus on nivida more because they are trying to kill MSRP which is the worst anti consumer move I have ever seen.

[@kevinsmith4329]

Quantum Uncertainty AVX-512, when AVX-512 is supported by Intel, AVX-512 is trash while it's no longer supported, AVX-512 is treasure.

[@jepulis6674]

Or just spend less for motherboard and use 12700KF instead of ocd 12400 :)

[@CaptainKenway]

@@kevinsmith4329 Fanboy gibberish. Nobody has ever called AVX-512 "trash" (except Linus Torvalds). Most people just had zero use case for it. Now some legitimate use cases for it have arrived with the continued development of PS3 and Switch emulators, which means Intel have of course decided that now is the perfect time to ditch it and artificially disable it on CPUs which are fully capable of supporting it. Intel's braindead, anti-consumer practices are the only thing anybody has a problem with. Maybe run that up to your bosses.

[@RN1441]

@@kevinsmith4329 It's marketing whiplash. They've spent since the 7000 series advertising it as a feature and if anyone was unfortunate enough to end up using it frequently they'll now get upsold to Xeon I guess.

[@SrSamuerto]

I have been doing this for years on a 4790 and a Z87, and overclocked the ram up 2110MHz CL10, pretty weird but I was getting 4,4 on 1/2 cores and 4,2 on 3/4 cores. So it looks like it's still somewhat worth to keep doing this. I guess I will check in a few years when I jump to DDR5 and see if any Z board allows to BLCK OC.

[@thelazarous]

I used to do this with my i3-2130 and my Intel DZ77SL-50K motherboard. Was able to get it to 4.1GHz and was quite happy with my $40 CPU purchase

[@skoopsro7656]

11:40 it's the extra cache on those chips helping increase frame rate. Not extra cores.

[@Inevitabledreamss]

I don't think I have seen der8auer this happy before - I love it!

[@rozzbourn3653]

i think we need a survey of people with z690 motherboards to state the board and if it has bclk adjustment or not. the limiting factor before on bclk ocing was the system didnt like running anything more than a couple mhz over stock. 130+ is insane to me. we need to find some $250 and below boards with ddr4 for this to be worth while. i mean, if you have to spend $500+ on a motherboard to oc a sub $200 part, its not better than going with a $500 cpu and $200 motherboard. we need to look into other manufacturers as well.

[@MsGfhfgf]

Oo

[@TinTin-ov6cg]

I have a Gigabyte Z690 Elite DDR4, I am completely new to all of this so forgive my ignorance. When I was fucking around in the BIOS the other day I saw BCLK in the menu in the corner of my eye when I was looking for something. Does that mean that this could work?

[@rozzbourn3653]

@@TinTin-ov6cg you can OC the bclk on any motherboard, but the ones with the extrenal clock generator will allow everything that i affected by the bclk to be set manually. if you go up more than a couple megahertz on a board that doesnt have it, things will become unstable fast. i didnt see anything online about your board having the external clock gen.

[@mrawesomelemons]

Skylake flashback? Although AsRock was the GOAT back then.

[@rippermkd1]

can you put a list of motherboards that support nonK oc, and update it when other models are discovered and new ones come out pls.

[@SK_1337]

I haven't seen der8auer this excited ever, his face is glowing as he talks about it. Haha :))

[@terenceprieto3964]

the lack of werbevideo upperight corner...

[@greenbow7888]

I used to use software called Clockgen years ago with an Intel E6700. Occasionally it would cause a gaming issue because the BIOS did not know the CPU was overclocked. Changing the HPET setting in BIOS fixed that though. I would never have known what to do if it were not for someone from Croteam. I made an issue thread with Serious Sam 3, and they diagnosed somehow what I had to do. 'Without' the HPET setting changed I got crackling with some audio.

[@B3TR0Z]

I hope Intel will support this, and I hope this feature comes to many more motherboards!

[@rijuthk]

surely intel will not support this. they will update the drivers. They doesn't want you to overclock a non-k cpu

[@mikex4941]

Intel has always been like that. Limiting oc to just K skus and Z boards. In the past bclk oc for non-K was possible for sometime before Intel removed it so not so high hopes for this one.

[@Jimster481]

They will not support this, additionally it only works on boards with external clock generators it looks like.... so that would mean that you would need a top end board to do it.

[@skadi7654]

@@Jimster481 some b660 board has it

[@Jimster481]

@@skadi7654 Which one?

[@chainsawfreak]

this was the case with skylake too, I got a skylake 6600 non K that I was able to overclock with the bus clock to 4.4 or something. but you did need a special bios version. I still have it in a box here so I was planning to sell it but didn't get around to. (after switching to ryzen 5800x)

[@GrimpakTheMook]

Quite interested on how the 12700 and 12900 non-k would perform actually

[@Skungalunga]

The new Cleron 300A!!!!!!!! Good work. Thank you Asus also. Excellent comment about why we used to OC clock in the first place.

[@白駒澤]

Non-K OC is not with TUF B660 board but with Strix B660-F and B660-G.

[@白駒澤]

@Marcus R Got F and G, and there is the OC switch in the BIOS setting.

[@DanikoLP]

Have you tested DDR4 models from Strix series?

[@白駒澤]

@@DanikoLP you mean b660-A D4? Haven’t got it either.

[@avoidthevo1d]

Wow, i never thought overclocks through the bus will make sense again, this is nostalgic

[@davidpeterson6147]

this also happened 3 generations ago and only on Asus boards for one bios revision. Asus pulled the bios off of the website after the info hit the web.

[@Peaceful_Days]

I have an old computer with Asus z-87k mobo and Intel xeon e3 1270 v3 processor. BCLK is tied to CPU frequency, RAM frequency and PCIE frequency, but I can lower RAM and PCIE frequencies manually to stock values if I only want to over clock the CPU. My RAM is a bit overclocked, but it causes errors and blue screens if I do it too much.

[@ChengsHardware]

you shoudn't do that on that platform

[@224cam]

I wouldn't be surprised to see this on asrock boards too because they are always doing things that intel doesn't like.

[@ryanwallace983]

One can only hope 🤞

[@danielhudson3602]

Do you wonder if DDR5 is giving that very intel 12400 an OC advantage? I would be interested to see a comparably high end DDR4 board to run the same OC tests but with 3200/3600/4000 instead of 5200 ddr5

[@raycert07]

Memory doesn't affect cpu overclocking at all.

[@chswin]

Good job db! Great vid as usual.

[@interficiam]

I'd like to know the cheapest motherboard that still has this option in the bios. If its < 250€ I'd definitely consider paying more for the motherboard to go with a cheaper cpu and OC it.

[@massimo763]

600 euro min

[@ecophreak1]

Really hope there are some cheap boards with that feature

[@brothatwasepic]

I truthfully never touched the b clock in years because I thought it would crash everything like the past so thanks for this awesome news that everything is separate now

[@joeyjojojr.shabadoo915]

This needs t be tested on lower end z690 boards, because it doesn't make sense to buy a $500+ USD motherboard to overclock a $200 CPU in a budget build. I would like to see the Asus z690-P Prime get tested in both DDR4 and DDR5 flavors. I wonder if this is a DDR5 z690 exclusive or if DDR4 boards will feature this as well.

[@mfs-ness]

To save anyone else the legwork: Looking into the cheaper ASUS Z690 boards, the PRIME/ProArt/TUF BIOS manual doesn't mention BCLK overclocking under "Tweaker's Paradise". They seem to lack most of the BCLK/PCIE options that can be seen in the video, so I assume they don't have the necessary separate clock generator mentioned in other comments. Also, the last BIOS update for PRIME is 0605, from November last year.

[@mfs-ness]

@Marcus R ASUS doesn't provide a downloadable BIOS manual for that board. There's only the regular manual, without BIOS details.

[@mvasiliev]

Is any mATX board supported here? I ordered asus prime z690b-plus

[@MoonMage67]

this is cool and all, but if you need a 400+$ board for this its kind of pointless :\ if you find a nice budget b660 with this feature then its really game changing though.

[@skadi7654]

it only need 150-200 board

[@MoonMage67]

@@skadi7654 can yo u give us a 150 board you can do this on?

[@framebuffer.10]

for few minutes this brought me back in time when overclocking was still fun and useful 😭 btw I don't understand why hiding the BLK setting for K CPU, unless I missed something big about Alder Lake architecture, higher BLK would anyway give a boost to performances

[@malphadour]

That seems like a long time ago now......though at least these days everyone has access to auto overclocking CPU's so we should see that as a good thing. We just all miss our "black art".

[@LarsSeprest]

You already can? Some people do this to tweak stability with finer multipliers.

[@noxious89123]

The ability to adjust the BLCK isn't hidden on the K cpus, but the option for "enable BCLK overclock" isn't shown, simply because it is not needed and so is not an applicable feature for a K cpu. K cpus can have the BCLK adjusted without needing any secret sauce.

[@framebuffer.10]

​@@noxious89123 Aah OK! That makes sense, I was puzzled why ASUS would prevent K-CPU to increase BLK to squeeze a little more performance, if one wants Thanks a lot for the clarification 😉

[@wertywerrtyson5529]

This is how we used to OC back in the day on for example a Pentium 4 before you could change the ratio. Cool to see it again.

[@PC_HardwareTechUnboxing_1]

I have done a few motherboard bios overviews on my channel...definitely not on the cheap motherboards from Asus or AsRock. I have had some of my best FPS videos from adjusting the BLCK Frequency with past generations. I was hoping to really drive either my I7-12700f or I5-12400f or I3-12100f to new levels. Looks like time for an upgraded motherboard.

[@dexsters5643]

Honestly i would love to see companies keep the blck oc inlocked because if i for example get any z690 board and pair it with like at the begining with a i3-12100f or maybe 12400F i could atleast be able to get into alder lake and also be able to see whats its like to game on that type of cpu because currently with how things are i cant afford like a 12600K or anything for that matter so i do hope they keep the feature unlocked so everyone could get great performance for not spending like a 2k loan on a cpu+motherboard and ram

[@Jimster481]

It would actually be a decent selling point for some of these expensive motherboards to help people get into ADL at a lower price with the cheaper CPU's. However the cheaper CPUs need to also be available in the USA which they currently aren't.

[@dexsters5643]

@@Jimster481 im sure with time they will be because i cant get my hands on the 12100F yet

[@Jimster481]

@@dexsters5643 yea in time, but if you look at 11th gen and even 10th gen it was hard to get lower end chips for quite a while.

[@BlackSmokeDMax]

"if Intel sees this..." Lol, is there anyway at all Intel is NOT watching you??

[@vibonacci]

Every big company watches everything. Of course.

[@X1th]

Z690 PG Velocita has the ASRock Hyper BCLK Engine V in specifications

[@kikihun9726]

I'm wondering that can the b660 chipset overclock the cpu with early bios versions?

[@everope]

Yeah I was surprised Roman didn't test the old bios version first...

[@Tekzite]

der8auer, conclusion is written wrong in the timestamp at 12:20. Just wanted to let you know.

[@iamdmc]

used to be able to OC by BCLK but intel supposedly locked this down how long do you think before they push a bios update to break this again

[@LawrenceTimme]

They can't push a bios onto your board. You have to update it 😃

[@thatguy7595]

@@LawrenceTimme That's true in this case but I've seen laptops where a new BIOS version was flashed through a simple Windows Update.

[@iamdmc]

@@LawrenceTimme I wasn't suggesting they could do it without your consent they can, however, withhold important security updates and new features like ReBAR in the same new bios that nerfs this overclocking functionality on non K's

[@CZ-PCT]

On Asus B660 TUF Gaming WiFi D4 is not that option with locked CPU, but your CPU is different then my, i have C0 revision not H0.

[@Daniel-zr4pk]

Very interesting video Jimmy! ty

[@krhagene]

My Asus board didn't get this option with a 12400F :/, I have the Prime B660M-K D4

[@runebdrim6733]

is it confirmed it only works in this version of bios or can it work in an Asus z790 Apex? or different bios versions?

[@Richdadful]

For the same price i can buy 12700 + b660. It clock to 4.4ghz stock on all cores. Has 8 p cores and 4 e cores. Ultimately the costly board is too high for this to be economic.

[@cogsincogs]

Can you check a H610 board + i3 12100? That would probably be the best bang for the buck if OC would be possible :)

[@Ground15]

an asus H660 board already didn't allow it, so the chance is pretty much non-existant

[@cogsincogs]

@@Ground15 1 Asus B660 board, what about other vendors...? Needs to be tested, some one is bound to "mess up" ;)

[@CESAR_H_ARIAS]

@@cogsincogs it's not a platform feature. Is an Asus bios "thing" that's not even present in their entire line up. Also don't expect this feature to be present into budget motherboards and chipsets

[@cogsincogs]

@@Ground15 oh would you look at that, it’s working on B660… inb4 asrock makes it available on a h610 board 😉

[@cogsincogs]

@@CESAR_H_ARIAS oh look, B660 OC working…

[@zodwraith5745]

This takes me back to when Intel and AMD locked all their CPUs and we were doing all kinds of crazy shit to try and get around it, usually by running crazy bus speeds and rubbing pencil on your Barton.

[@moebius2k103]

This takes me right back to my old Celeron 300A and later the Northwood and Prescott chips, so much fun. Corrupting IDE HDDs and other strange behaviour if you went too far. Arctic Silver TIM and big all copper heatsinks or aquarium water pumps, external rads and 5 1/4 bay reservoirs. 😊

[@DLTX1007]

I'm guessing only boards with a BCLK generator has the option? at least it was the way for Z170 boards I had

[@Fin4L6are]

I wonder if even more bclk and lower multipliers will give even more performance. On old cpus with bclk overclock also increased the L3 speed so max bclk was always desirable. Also I'm curious if it increases the RAM speed gear 1 can provide, since bclk should also affect the memory controller. Unlikely... but might be worth trying.

[@calebgrefe8922]

This is so awesome! Can't wait to hear if it will work with B660

[@A7XstefanA7X]

Imagine if msi made something like z690 a pro ddr4 with external clock generator and enabled this to work in the bios. It would be the best thing that's ever happened to overclocking apart from maybe moving from hardware overclocking to bios

[@nordlicht1881]

Just for you to note: MSI actually did this. The board is called the "MSI MAG B660M MORTAR MAX WIFI DDR4" This Board may be B660, but it's got an external clock generator and is able to do BCLK OC for non-K CPU's. Hardware Unboxed also did a video regarding that board and non-K OC.

[@A7XstefanA7X]

Yea, i was super excited when it was announced but it turns out they are almost impossible to find and are really overpriced for what they are :(

[@nordlicht1881]

@@A7XstefanA7X Well in my Country it's not even officially out jet. I'll wait for a bit, they will probably ger cheaper in a bit of time.

[@nordlicht1881]

At least I hope so. XD

[@alpha007org]

I have multiple PCs. For my sim racing PC I thought I will upgrade to 3d Cache CPU but I thought those CPUs would come out sooner. So I'm looking at 5800X. But if Intel motherboards will allow OC non K Intel 12th gen CPUs then upgrade to 5800X don't make sense. I hope we can get relatively good MB and i5 and OC the shit out of them.

[@everope]

5800X3D won't be available for purchase anyways..

[@alpha007org]

@@everope Yeah, I know. But I didn't know that a couple of months ago. So now I got a decision to make. Buy 5800 or 5900 OR switch to Intel.

[@alpha007org]

@Transistor Jump For my Sim racing PC? 5800X. I'll buy X3D second hand because it is rapid in sims. HUB tested ACC and it benefits +50%. But their testing is not representative of "normal gameplay". They tested replay. In multiplayer with big grids where there are 60+ cars on track, people are saying they see massive improvement on all possible resolutions / triple screens / VR.

[@alpha007org]

@Transistor Jump I was once a very active overclocker 1998-2013 (Ivy Bridge was the last one I OCed the shit out of that CPU). Now I don't care anymore. But if you got time, you can get some pretty good results from that CPU. Once again, we live in a good time when competition is doing its thing...

[@StaelTek]

Skylake all over again. I remember my i5 6400 running at 4.8 GHz (i have a video about it) on a 177 MHz BCLK.

[@Lazarosaliths]

Well i just love this!!! I still run a i5 6400 skylake with bclk oc!!!

[@SpittinSquirell]

This is really cool, Unfortunately the 12th gen overclocking mobo's (z series) are very expensive right now. Don't see anyone buying one then buying a non-k cpu.

[@yyperi]

I installed my new 12400F and MSI B660 MAG yesterday, now I'm regretting not buying Z690. Maybe I'll sell this one but Z690 MATX boards are lackluster and ITX too expensive. Have to wait until there's more of them confirmed to support this OC method. Asus ROG Apex is insanely expensive.

[@ThunderingRoar]

this is cool and all for OCers but not really practical pairing a 200€ cpu with a 500+€ mobo (which is also ddr5 only) for the average consumer

[@madf00bar15]

LOL congrats Roman, you have ruined Sunday for all the other Tech You Tubers! There goes their day off. 😁 Great discovery and video, thanks.

[@Saiohleet]

This is great!! I hope some board with price point around 200 USD allow this,I will be keeping a eye out on this thread. When you can post a list of motherboards that you found out support this feature.

[@currenlydying]

100% there will be bios mods soon for cheaper boards. Bios mods to unlock such features already exist today.

[@taiiat0]

very nice, i hope to see more Manufacturers adopting it in kind to help encourage Intel to allow it.

[@viperdemonz-jenkins]

done that with my I7 4790 with an ASUS Z-97 MB.

[@hermesvarela5871]

Hi, 2023 and watching this video with my i512400f , we have an updated motherboards BCLk available?? Thanks

[@SteroidsFPS]

u can oc ur? i have 12400 too

[@terbo2000]

This is fantastic. I had a lot of fun OCing a 6600 non-K but it was never practical to use because of all the other things it broke. I'm sure this will get patched out soon with BIOS updates but the secret is out now. Time to set up a site to archive the old bios versions before they disappear?

[@ChrisKadaver]

Does this work with DDR4 boards if you're on slower memory like 3000Mhz CL15? The i3 12100f would be the perfect budget cpu at 5Ghz. But it doesn't really make sense if you need a premium board. Then you're better off with a cheap B660 board and a highly clocked cpu out of the box since the boardprices are so high. What will be the cheapest board with these features?

[@michaeloverrath6878]

Great find - thanks for sharing!

[@matasa7463]

This is so cool! I wish Intel would just enable overclocking on all their boards, or at least more of them...

[@Joker-no1fz]

my msi 4690k motherboard can do something similar and its not a z board. good find dude hope a bunch of boards have this.

[@Yuri.G]

hey, great video, question, can i also use th ASRock B760M PG Lightning wifi to OC the I512400F ?

[@ivovass195]

Awesome, thanks for sharing. This opens new possibilities for non-k cpus. Just need to make sure which mboards will support this.

[@DrNoBrazil]

Thanks for your precious feedback.

[@Arsonist00]

The 12100 pocket-rocket just keeps giving!

[@MP-jf1co]

AsRock Z690 has bclk parameter in bios but it’s hidden with K-cpu. Need someone to test with i5.

[@zap7759]

Interesting...

[@ItsJust2SXTs]

Never knew you were an SGU fan! I'm too with the two other series

[@yasu_red]

BCLK overclocks can also extract some unreal clock speeds out of AMD CPUs in my experience, albeit to a lesser extent than this. I can almost reach a 104mhz frequency (~103.8250 being my best) and achieve boost clocks nearing 4.825ghz on my personal 3600XT with PBO enabled (up from the advertised 4.5ghz). Unfortunately, stability is far from guaranteed beyond 102.5mhz BCLK so I just run it stock, plus my badly binned infinity fabric would be happy and 1:1 with my 3600mhz RAM. More shocking to me though, I've managed to force an old Athlon II X2 220 to run all the way to 4ghz from 2.8ghz.

[@mycosys]

The reason this works is Bclock is decoupled form PCIe frequency on these CPUs, it used to be the norm

[@Dimondminer11]

Jesauos. I have an Athlon 64 x2 4200+ which runs at 2.2GHz stock and through some quick BCLK OCing I could only get it to 2.5GHz

[@damienrstpierre]

What overlay/monitoring software is he using at the @5:50 mark?

[@LuisMiguelGarciaTorres]

you should try it on that 2000 board wioth the remote control that changes the BCLK. im willing to bet it will work. instaltly thought of skylake when i saw the bclk overclock. my money is on it will be removed, unless the board has an external clock generator like slylake. i kicked the snot out of a i7-6700 (non k) with bclk overclock on a asus strix z270.

[@mkent280]

interested to see what the 12100 can do overclocked, as its already very fast if not the fastest 4-core cpu.

[@Voyajer.]

I did this on my i5-3570 non-K on an intel branded motherboard way back when. I only got the baseclock up to ~110 but I was able to keep the intended XMP profile enabled and even tighten the timings a bit.

[@mvasiliev]

any mATX board supported here? I ordered asus prime z690b-plus

[@IslamGhonaym]

This simply means that if we just reveal the BCLK option on the even H610 boards with a bios mod, the CPU will be overclocked on the low end

[@bongbong8630]

It’s more about hardware (the board itself technically) rather than its bios (firmware)

[@tkpenalty]

They need to just go back to pre-sandy lake when we had everything controllable...

[@tilburg8683]

Yeah that was much better. But AMD would have to be competitive to get intel to do such things( like in the cpu market) but they kinda failed in the getting any marketshare part) and don't even have options for what people buy the most, atleast were I live most people look for a cpu around 200 euros.

[@photonboy999]

*G3258...* I'm having flashbacks of updates to disable overclocking because people were getting too great of a performance boost out of a cheaper CPU. Think that will happen here? I can just see Intel's response: "Since we can't validate the stability of the..." To which I respond "Uh, don't you void the WARRANTY already for overclocking on any CPU?"

[@EvL--_--]

Thnx for the content, here's one for the yt algo :D

[@thatguy7595]

Does this mean that 12100 is now the 4 core king on hwbot?

[@chinesepopsongs00]

As the 12600 (non-K) has the same core count and config and has a higher base clock to begin with and a better igpu for encoding i wonder if that would get the same or better results when overclocked.

[@techluvin7691]

Only on the Apex maybe? Such a great board. Have one with a 7700k running at 5 GHz. Will look for this setting.