This could *HELP* Toronto get an NFL Expansion team

[@JanTheViking]

Even if it takes 15 years for Toronto to get a NFL team, they will still win a Super Bowl before the Leafs win the Cup.

[@trickolas78]

Win what cup?

[@joeylawn36111]

ouch😬

[@suvirshetty]

@@trickolas78stanley

[@arseniotucker5960]

WOW😂

[@johnburns9634]

Great! NHL they don’t win, NBA one lonely title, MLB, like Canadian teams in the NHL, nothing since 1993. They get an NFL franchise, and no more grey cups! And they win CONSISTENTLY!!! Maybe Toronto is just allergic to having a winning team.

[@pj2cray]

As a Torontonian, this has been a dream of ours.

[@EdV-et6qm]

Toronto is just 1.5 hour drive from Buffalo and it snows MORE in Buffalo than Toronto and the temperature is the same.

[@ericmdrs]

Part of the problem of the toronto series that the bill had, was those tickets weren't included for season ticket holders who a lot of them are Canadian based. plus the tickets were crazy expensive to see bad teams play in toronto

[@jibbjabb43]

Anyone trying to take away anything negative from a limited play series is crazy. Biggest issue is always stadium money. NFL almost certainly expands between 2030 and 2035 and anyone hoping to keep the teams out of Europe should be hyping up Toronto and San Antonio as well as Dallas and Chicago for second teams at a minimum.

[@misguidedangel6550]

@@jibbjabb43 NFL doesn't need expansion, just lowers the talent in the league

[@jibbjabb43]

@misguidedangel6550 No it wouldn't. It just changes how talent is dispersed, and who's to say it doesn't need that. You'll probably tell me 'there aren't even 32 QBs good enough' next. NFL could use a small amount of expansion for one premiere reason, and that's the number of games simultaneously playing on Sundays.

[@richiewy701]

The pic you show of BMO field are of the LAFC stadium in Los Angeles

[@patrolmanpete]

Toronto should get behind the Argos. 150 years of rich history in that team.

[@2002S40]

Only if the Argos divorce from the 3 downs punting game, and play real Football, draft NFL players.

[@patrolmanpete]

@@2002S40 no thanks lol

[@EdV-et6qm]

Toronto is further south than Minneapolis and Seattle and almost tied with Milwaukee… check the latitude of those cities and surprise Toronto is further south than Minneapolis and Seattle.

[@kylerose3174]

Canadians cringe every time we hear an American say “Toronto, Canada” or any Canadian city, followed immediately by Canada. But we love it when we hear an American get it right and say “Toronto, Ontario, Canada”. Beyond that, if the American doesn’t add “Canada” at all, and just says “Toronto, Ontario” we nearly pass out with glee!

[@willrobinson4976]

Why is that so upsetting? There is a town in Ohio called Toronto, inspired by Toronto Ontario. And that's just not how most Americans talk, and one of the subtle differences between us. I have a few things I cringe on how it's said north of the border, but hey that what makes us different and the history of our culture.

[@jethro1963]

@@willrobinson4976 Toronto PEI

[@willrobinson4976]

@@jethro1963 Thanks. I wasn't aware of that but now I know.

[@HoshizakiYoshimasa]

Spoken like a true vassal state . That's why Canada is pathetic. They shouldn't care what the Americans call them. But Canada is so desperate to be respected and liked and treated as an equal by America. But it simply isn't going to happen. Even here in Asia, Canada is viewed as a cold weather more totalitarian Small version of the US.

[@HoshizakiYoshimasa]

​@@willrobinson4976Canada people's inferiority complex towards the US. The result of being basically a cultural clone of the US, directly bordering the US, and firmly being a vassal state in the US empire.

[@lucky247365]

The most complicated matter is the whole television deal. Toronto/Canada is a large market that is being served by Canadian broadcasters. The NFL is a cash cow because of the television money, so it depends on how that all shakes out with the Canadian networks. The attendance issues with the Bills series was the crazy price gouging in combination with really poor matchups on the schedule. The prices for example were 2-3x higher than tickets from other NFL teams. Prior to this series, the NFL American Bowl exhibition games in Toronto (Bills vs Green Bay, Bills vs. Cowboys) were sold out.

[@sblack53]

TV for a Toronto team would either go to TSN/CTV or Sportsnet/CityTV, and I think the former already has the simulcast for ESPN Monday Night Football. Toronto television also already carries all 4 over the air network affiliates from Buffalo (WUTV, WGRZ, WIVB, and WKBW) so however the national schedule works out we would be fine. Realistically though we’re in Buffalo’s market and we likely don’t want to change the status quo for football.

[@jethro1963]

@@sblack53 Cable TV is dying

[@lucky247365]

@@sblack53 unlike MLB, NBA and NHL, the NFL doesn't have local TV coverage. So will the Canadian carriers be okay if all of the Toronto team's broadcast are produced by American networks like CBS and FOX?

[@jethro1963]

@@lucky247365 The CRTC might have something to say, do we have American cell carriers?

[@MisterSG1]

@@lucky247365most likely, there would be a Canadian broadcast team who would cover Toronto games themselves. As for how this fits in to the existing TV contracts, not sure why it should really matter because most games on any given Sunday are regional broadcasts. If for example the Vikings were playing in Toronto, the FOX NFL team would cover the afternoon game like normal and it would be shown regionally, while a Canadian broadcast team could do it as well. Competing broadcasts already happen in the NHL, like the Leafs and Bruins series had an opportunity to watch CBC’s or ABC’s coverage of it.

[@DetectiveRFB]

As someone from Toronto, I think it is unlikely, but could happen if things fall into place. I think the biggest obstacle is what does this mean for the Toronto Argonauts? Yes, they are not as popular as the other Toronto sports teams, but they have the most history with the team being born back in 1873, and is also the CFL team that has won the most Grey Cups. I am not sure or do not know if the CFL team will survive if the NFL team comes to Toronto (I feel like a lot of the popularity of the Argos was lost to the Toronto Blue Jays over the years, which might be the closest example). I know that there might be plans for a second major professional soccer stadium in the GTA with both York United FC and maybe potentially the new AFC Toronto team being tenants for that stadium, which may or may not impact the potential of building an NFL stadium in Toronto.

[@DouglasEdward84]

I can't imagine the Argos surviving. Their on life support as it is. The Ticats could take a small hit by proxy too.

[@DetectiveRFB]

@@DouglasEdward84 The Argos got fortunate when both Bell and Larry Tanenbaum (later Rogers, which meant that MLSE owned the team) owned the team. I know the attendance increased for the Toronto Argonauts last year, but do not think it would be enough with a potential Toronto NFL team if it happens. I agree with the Hamilton Tiger-Cats also being affected but feel that they will be fine in the long term as that team means a lot to the city of Hamilton.

[@seanbelfry1459]

You need to learn geography. Toronto is north, but it is further south than a couple of NFL cities. Yes it gets cold in Canada, but Buffalo has worse climate than Toronto.

[@marklittle8805]

Buffalo and Cleveland get more snow, and Chicago and Green Bay are often colder

[@a.g.jordaniii5025]

BMO pics are from City of LA lol

[@realalbertan]

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMO_Stadium

[@billywall7752]

The reasons the Bills didn't draw in Toronto is because the Bills were bad at the time and Toronto people didn't care about the Bills. They want a team, but they want "their" team.

[@garyhersemeyer2642]

The overpriced tickets were a big factor too, so much so that they had to give tickets away in order to get more fans in the stands.

[@FischerFan]

The novelty eventually wore off. People were not going to keep supporting a team from another city for one token game a year. Sports fans want commitment to a market in return for support.

[@garyhersemeyer2642]

@@FischerFan Well said!

[@AvroBellow]

It doesn't matter because the NFL and CFL have both pledged to not cross the border. The CFL doesn't want to lose Toronto or Vancouver and the NFL doesn't want the CFL grabbing up US cities without NFL teams again. The success of the Stallions scared the NFL enough for them to give the Ravens to Baltimore and for the NFL and CFL to both pledge to never cross the border with expansions.

[@FischerFan]

@@AvroBellow No, the Stallions did not scare the NFL in any way. Cleveland Browns owner Art Modell moved his team to Baltimore because he was promised a new stadium, something that was simply not forthcoming in Cleveland. While the Stallions were the lone bright spot in the CFL's short-lived U.S. experiment, the one thing the CFL will never be able to do is scare the 800-lb. gorilla that is the NFL.

[@scotttild]

NFL has always maintained they don’t want to compete with the CFL in Canada. They don’t want to be the reason why the CFL fails. They have maintained this position and don’t even play overseas games in Canada. It’s not happening any time soon. The only way expansion in Canada happen is if the merge and eat up the CFL which the Canada government will not allow to happen.

[@sampicano]

Spoken like somebody who has put ZERO thought into it. You literally sound like you just typed out the very first thing that popped into your head with putting no thought into it.👍

[@Fatblue246]

@@sampicanobro your own government subsidizes the league lmao, they 100% aren’t going to allow the NFL to just walk in. Stop coping

[@scotttild]

@@sampicanowhy don’t you investigate before spouting off. NFL has always been cautious about Canada. Why do you think they don’t play any overseas games there. They have said it time and time again. I will dig up the last statement by the NFL it’s not to hard to find. They have always said they are not going to be the reason why the CFL folds. They have been strong supporters of the CFL for years how about you go look it up.

[@Mr.Ed_Wayner]

Canada (Toronto) would be an excellent addition by it could cause the CFL to fail.

[@nortonhatfield7312]

The nfl has also attempted to put professional football leagues, too, like the xfl, the usfl, and the world football league out of business.

[@C-mac_in_the_6ix]

There's literally zero red flags because we didn't sell out the Buffalo games. It's easy, it's not our team, and it wasn't true NFL stadium. Toronto would sell out 8 games before the season starts almost every year if we had our own actual team with a real NFL stadium.

[@douglaseconomou7222]

Toronto is the best place for a new team. It's a HUGE market.

[@RT88414]

I do think Toronto would be a great area for an expansion team. If they get a team, it’s gotta be a mascot that the NFL doesn’t have from a current team and it’s gotta be a team name and mascot that the locals in Toronto will like. Travel times to Toronto from America won’t be a problem compared to when a team has a game either in London or Germany.

[@misguidedangel6550]

I dont like the idea of Toronto getting an NFL team because it would essentially make Torontos CFL team fold and the Toronto Argonauts have over 100 years of tradition. Even though Torontos CFL team only draws somewhere below 20,000 fans a game, making them the team with the lowest attendance or close to the lowest they skill are an important CFL team since Toronto is Canada's biggest city and biggest media market

[@RT88414]

@@misguidedangel6550 I have heard of the CFL but I don’t know what months the CFL has their season.

[@FischerFan]

@@misguidedangel6550 If the CFL can co-exist with an NFL team in Canada, then so be it. The harsh reality is the CFL has been losing multi-millions for years, and this is by the admission of its own Commissioner when the League approached the federal government for funding in lieu of the pandemic. The CFL is also suffering from an aging fan base and has become a third-tier brand that simply doesn't have the star power to travel. Oh, and Toronto's CFL team barely draws 10,000 fans per game. This proves the CFL is desperate to hang onto the market a lot more than vice versa. It's no different than the NHL and the Arizona Coyotes.

[@misguidedangel6550]

@@RT88414 CFL Season starts in Mid June and runs till the end of November

[@misguidedangel6550]

@@FischerFan I don't know what you are trying to say? Everything you wrote I already know. The NFL will not come to Canada, plain and simple.

[@Ejb905]

Is anyone here acknowledging that the NFL doesn't want to destroy the CFL. Secondly, it's colder in Green Bay than it is in Toronno. We also get much less snow than Buffalo. We got 1 inch of snow when the lake effect snows postponed the Bill's playoff game. Similar climates to Toronto : Buffalo, Cleveland, Boston ,

[@trevornieson8725]

That's a great idea but I think the argos would have a problem with that

[@sampicano]

LMAO 🤣 "I think my daughters flag football teM would have something to say about that" Well luckily they have NO POWER

[@patrickhayes7838]

​@@sampicanoThey do, particularly political power.

[@sampicano]

@@patrickhayes7838 the argo's political party

[@ChicagoBenAnderson]

Why you showing pictures of BMO stadium in LA?

[@bryan89wr]

Quantity over quality is this channel's motto. No time to fact check when you pump out multiple videos a day.

[@a18yearoldonyoutubeluigi]

That’s what we need! Another professional sports franchise to make us miserable and depressed. Genius!

[@natevart4156]

I mean it technically makes the odds greater for y’all to win something!

[@JanTheViking]

@@natevart4156 Raptors won not that long ago. Just sayin....

[@natevart4156]

@@JanTheViking I know. I’m saying it increases your chances to win the more teams you have… by something I means more championships.

[@JanTheViking]

@@natevart4156 sorry , brother. I was actually replying to @a17year. My bad. I knew what you were saying.

[@a18yearoldonyoutubeluigi]

@@JanTheVikingbut the Leafs tho, but the Jays tho, but the Raptors since tho.

[@Gage_Brumley]

As long as the Bills are in Buffalo I don't think there's much demand for a team in Toronto

[@Firestone1]

Buffalo would be in big trouble if Toronto got an NFL franchise. Attendance would dwindle. So much of the Bills fan base comes from Ontario.

[@sirbobloblaws]

@@Firestone1 Not as much as you think, and most of them live close to the border.

[@sampicano]

Nobody in Toronto cheers for Buffalo...Canada doesn't cheer for American cities I know that's hard for you to understand

[@Gage_Brumley]

@@sampicano then how come a decade ago the Bills had an entire Toronto series for several years where they played one home game each year at the Rogers Centre?

[@WDI2008]

No different than the Commanders in Washington DC and the Ravens in Baltimore.

[@bufnyfan1]

Then Bills owner Ralph Wilson would have kept the Toronto series going indefinitely as he loved the money it gave him. When Terry Pegula took over ownership as a goodwill gesture to WNY he canceled the series. It's likely he also had a new stadium in mind as by treating the fan base to a full season of home games he would generate goodwill when he "stuck it" to NY state for funds to build it. And don't blame Toronto for not selling out the Buffalo "series". The team STUNK big time at that time and the ticket prices were incredibly overpriced. A feasibility study was done at the time the Bills were up for sale and Bon Jovi and a group of bankers were making a bid to buy the team after Ralph Wilson's death showed that there would have been a waiting list to buy seating licenses and corporate boxes for a Toronto NFL team.

[@onknight]

It's been proven that Toronto is a bunch of wannabe fans they're bandwagon jumpers. If a team is good they're there but when a team is awful there's no fans to be found look at the Blue Jays they can't sell out a game now. The Raptors can't sell out the Argos can never sell out the only team that's going to make money all the time all the Maple Leafs and that's because they're fanbase stupidly follows them

[@AvroBellow]

Except that the NFL and the CFL have an agreement to not expand into each other's countries. So it's all moot anyway. I just don't get how Torontonians are such a bunch of wannabee-Americans. Toronto has been the LEAST Canadian city for over 20 years now.

[@sianspherica]

As a lifelong Torontonian and someone that has lived in downtown Toronto for decades, I highly doubt Toronto will get an NFL team in the next decade at least. I just do not see it happening at all.

[@AvroBellow]

It won't happen because the CFL and NFL have an agreement to not put teams in each other's countries, ever.

[@mikecumbo7531]

I see three issues with Toronto. First, the Bills will fight it. Buffalo is the second smallest market in the NFL. A number of their fans come from Canada. Second, the CFL. The Canadian government would fight this. Third, exchange rate. The Canadian dollar is right now $0.73 US.

[@Acccountable]

The Bills can fight it all they want, they can make their tickets cheaper and draw more. The goverment would fight this, I agree. Exchange rate is irrelvant just like it is in the NBA, NHL and with the Jays.

[@Ejb905]

Honestly the Greater Toronto area has a higher population than 6.3 million, closer to 9 million. Right now the CFL Toronto Argonauts are the last team standing in the Toronto market. Hockey is king but Baseball and Basketball are strong here. Toronto FC have passed the Argos in terms of popularity recently. Will the Govt fight this? I dunno. Our Premier (governor) spent a lot of time in Chicago and the entire family are football fanatics. Rob Ford, brother of Doug was, in addition of being an idiot, drug addict and world renowned moron, he coached high school football in Toronno. When he was mayor he made sure that when the Argos won the Grey Cup they received the kind of party that the hockey Maple Leafs could only dream of. I have no doubt in my mind that the NFL could thrive in Toronto and Montreal (it's extremely popular at the high school and college in Quebec) and maybe Vancouver or even Calgary. There is still a great deal of love for the CFL in Canada and it would die if the Argos left. Finally, there are alot of Bills fans in the GTA, more so in the Niagara Region but fans across the country don't like rooting for Toronto teams. Being able and easy to bet made football popular here (not up here because Toronto lines up with Southern Oregon in lat long) . Personally I'm not a huge fan of football, I grew up in Montreal as a Als fan but in the 70's and 80's we would get lots of Giants, Jets, Patriots and Bills games on TV. Being from the era I liked the Steelers and Bills, sometimes the Pats. It would succeed here but at what cost.

[@Ejb905]

Sorry, Doug Ford, Rob Ford's brother was set to settle in Chicago until Rob got into trouble. When Rob got sick Dougie came back to politics. Finished 2nd in the 2014 Toronto mayoral election and became premier of Ontario in 2018 and again in 2022. He loves football as well, I think he's a Bears fan. I'm not sure that he would back an NFL expansion team here because of the CFL P.S. the city (2.9 million) and GTA (9 million) could easily support another NHL team, maybe 3 like Greater New York. It's come close but the Leafs and Sabres always scream for huge money to let another team into the market. Cities like Mississauga (1m), Hamilton (575,000), Kitchener Waterloo (500,000 at least) and York Region (1 million plus) could host a team here.

[@EdV-et6qm]

Just yesterday in Toronto (Sept 14) it was 90 degrees Fahrenheit (with humidity)

[@scottcostello1786]

Please god yes! I'm a season ticket holder in Detroit from Toronto but I could get seasons for both teams!

[@Marshal_Dunnik]

There's no room and there's certainly no money for a "super stadium". The last two major brownfield sites - the Portlands and Downsview - are being redeveloped. The City of Toronto has a budget deficit of CAD $1.5bn. There is zero appetite among taxpayers for subsidizing a stadium (we did that with Sky Dome, only for Rogers to buy it for pennies). So any stadium would be outside the city, Mississauga, Vaughn, Markham, and these places lack good regional or local transit links: would be a 1970s-style stadium where 75% of the site is parking, and thousands more cars clogging an already clogged regional highway system. So it's BMO Field or Bust.

[@sampicano]

It is not BMO field or bust. You bring up great points. 100% TORONTO GETS AN NFL TEAM AT SOME POINT, THAT WILL HAPPEN AND 99% IT WON'T BE AT BMO FIELD PERMANENTLY, THAT IS A TERRIBLE IDEA

[@jethro1963]

@@sampicano Toronto in NFL, a fifty year old non story, told by American wannabes. I love the story the Buffalo sports writer told of how pathetic it was that people from Toronto were going to Buffalo. He said, we should be going there.

[@Firestone1]

The land at Woodbine Racetrack would be the most likely place.

[@jethro1963]

@@Firestone1 Interesting that former CFL interim Commissioner and present minority Ti-Cat shareholder Jim Lawson is the Executive Chair of the Woodbine Entertainment Group board. He had been recently succeeded as CEO in the fall of 2023 by former Argo and CFL President Michael Copeland.

[@Firestone1]

@@jethro1963 if they ever build a stadium, they will build it on property that the Woodbine Entertainment Group owns, which is Woodbine Racetrack. They have the racetrack & casino on the property, with lots of land to build a stadium. It won't happen soon though, because the city is broke & so is the province of Ontario.

[@Rogerland99]

I agree that Toronto should be the #1 market in N. America for NFL expansion. I see the NFL eventually taking the leap from 32 to 40 teams. Add a whole 4 team division in Europe (maybe 2 teams from the UK area, and 2 teams from Germany). Then add 4 teams from N.America (maybe Toronto, San Antonio or Austin, San Diego & Saint Louis), Adding just one or two teams will mean lopsided divisions, some with 4 and some with 5 teams, which will be messy.

[@great-one0389]

I wonder if the cfl would allow it. I heard the cfl is way less popular in Canada than the NFL but the Canadian government is literally funding the cfl to keep it alive. If it works im fine with it tho.

[@sampicano]

CFL is huge out west (BC, Alberta, Manitoba, Sasktachewan). Where the people live, in Ontario it is incredibly UNPOPULAR. Toronto is the same size as....San Francisco or Atlanta they don't support small time leagues. Ontario watches more NFL than CFL. The people who like the CFL are rural areas...

[@jethro1963]

@@sampicano Total bullshit from the NFL troll, CFL is doing fine in Ottawa and Hamilton, and has had billionaires see enough value to buy the franchises in BC and Montreal. Toronto is rebounding as well and may finally get some love from MLSE as a former Argo President Keith Pelley is in charge now

[@MisterSG1]

@@jethro1963I wish them luck, but I’ll believe when I see it. Signed someone who actually occasionally attends Argonauts games

[@jethro1963]

@@MisterSG1 Well, it's being seen, Argos attendance is going up not down

[@Fatblue246]

@@sampicanolmao over 1 million more people live in the Atlanta metro area and 2 million more in San Francisco i wouldn’t say they’re the same size. Also, size of market isn’t really what determines things. San Antonio proper is one of the larger markets in all of the US and it only has ever had the Spurs, while Nashville’s entire metro area has less people yet they have a team for 4/5 major NA leagues.

[@GardcoreLegend]

The only way they have an NFL team in Canada is if the CFL folds.

[@kawhi2019]

Nope, not needed, the leagues can co-exist, people forget the CFL is a minor league product.

[@sampicano]

Lmfao spoken like my drunk uncle in Alberta

[@jethro1963]

@@sampicano I love NFL trolls, nothing more pathetic than an American wannabe. GTA = USA North

[@ztonner5166]

@@kawhi2019I am pretty sure the cfl and the nfl made an agreement in the 90s after the cfl tried to expand into the us and failed and the nfl bailed them out. Saying that neither league will expand into each others territory.

[@Fatblue246]

@@sampicanoit’s more of the fact that the NFL kinda views Canada as a development area, nor does it want any legal issues. Much less barriers expanding into other large US markets without teams. Toronto is big by Canadian standards, but there’s many markets in the US of comparable size without a team currently and there aren’t the legal/logistical barriers expanding there when compared to Canada. Not to mention Toronto’s market overlaps with the Bills market so there’s just minimal chance they would ever go for a team in Toronto stealing a large portion of their consumer base. You’d need a vote from them to get said team either with relocation or expansion.

[@jeffdaponte2037]

As a big NFL fan so are so many of my buddies that watch every Sunday none are Bills fans from Toronto region. We go to NFL games throughout the years travelling all over the US. Same can’t be said about the CFL, If Toronto got franchise it would be in the top half of the league gate revenue from day one. Would need a new stadium possibly replace BMO field with new state art stadium and have Toronto FC in Rogers Centre for few years while stadium being built. Public funding wouldn’t pass, whoever is coming is going to have to fork majority of the bill. Bring NFL to Toronto!

[@andrewsick9003]

Rogers Centre is a baseball stadium only after the renovation. They can't hold Toronto FC will they build a stadium.

[@Acccountable]

Well stated, the economic impact the city would be huge.

[@chriszenko3598]

The CFL is the oldest professional football league it’s been around longer than than the NFL. I don’t think they will allow a NFL pro football team in Canada

[@sampicano]

Aaron Rogers makes more money annually than EVERY CFL TEAM COMBINED...take every player on every CFL team, combine the money they make. AARON ROGERS MAKES MORE. That's like saying you don't think Toronto will ever get an NFL team because your kid plays in the backyard...nobody is watching him. An NFL team in Toronto would be INSTANTLY worth over $4 billion USD Give your head a shake

[@chriszenko3598]

@@sampicano Why don’t they put a MLB team in Japan it will be worth trillions lol. No way will the CFL allows the NFL into Canada

[@Fatblue246]

@@sampicanoCanadian copium is crazy lmao

[@sampicano]

@@Fatblue246 I'm smarter than you you can say stupid things like cope, and chill bro or whatever dumb things pop into your head, but I'm SMARTER than you. Who cares what you think...

[@louiscypher4186]

​​@@sampicano I love how you state you're smarter than others and then immediately prove his point by listing the exact reason why the Canadian government would have a vested interest in preventing the NFL from entering into the Canadian market. If the NFL becomes established in Canada the CFL is dead, it cannot compete, it's too poor. The Canadian government is notoriously protectionist even going as far as to regulate tv to protect "Canadian products". The idea that they'll let the NFL waltz in and kill their league is naive at best. And that's before we look at the flow on effects, The NHL sure as shit doesn't want American Football being popular in high schools.

[@jimmylad86]

That is BMO stadium in your first picture, not BMO field

[@Bingusandtheallstars]

St. Louis should be at the top of the list, battlehawks have shown the city will support a team if the owner doesn’t have an agenda against the city. LA has lost multiple franchises so it wouldn’t be crazy to see the city have another shot. Sure there was the lawsuit, but it was a drop in the massive ocean of money the nfl have. We’re a great tv market as well.

[@jonstefanik9400]

Sweetheart, they already tried NFL Europe in the '90's. After 2 or 3 seasons they folded. They cannot do 17 weeks. They are happy with their football(soccer).

[@FischerFan]

They are also happy with token games in England and Germany!

[@AvroBellow]

Agreed. Gridiron football is a novelty to them, nothing more. Nothing will ever replace soccer as the #1 sport in almost every European country (except Finland, they actually prefer hockey to soccer which is why I love Finland).

[@kiroolioneaver8532]

Downsview Park is probs the prime location for a new stadium

[@MisterSG1]

Indeed it is, but with it being federal land, do you honestly think they’d ever allow anyone to build a stadium that is to be used to play AMERICAN football? I’ll admit is the ideal location, but the politics around the whole NFL situation are more tricky than most people realize.

[@Marshal_Dunnik]

Not anymore

[@adellis24]

That wouldn't even be in the Top 10 potential locations for a stadium as it is Federally protected Park space & a nature preserve. The Port Lands would be the top spot in the city limits but what is more likely is a suburb like Mississauga, Brampton or Vaughan building a stadium and surrounding district.

[@jethro1963]

@@MisterSG1 No one ever seems to have an answer for that question.

[@jethro1963]

Anyone got a spare billion and a half to spend?

[@Firestone1]

The reason that Toronto does not have a second NHL franchise is because the new team would have to pay a monster amount in territorial money to the Leafs & Sabres. They have land earmarked for a new arena in Markham, if it ever happens.

[@AvroBellow]

Really? How much did the Kraken pay the Canucks?

[@Firestone1]

@@AvroBellow I have no idea, but it is the biggest reason Toronto does not have a second franchise. The Leafs would probably want 100's of millions alone because they have territorial rights. They have land set aside for a new rink in Markham(407/Kennedy) if anything happens.

[@danielbrazeau1680]

Montreal is the best city for an expansion in Canada! The olympique stadium is going to be renovated in 4 years! Ready for an NFL team!!!

[@CharlieND]

Toronto definitely has the population to support a team, but like you said, it all comes down to a stadium being built. There are tons of corporate sponsors in the city, and the fans would undoubtedly fill up a stadium for an NFL team of their own if given the chance. Also, you know this video is made by an American when he says "Toronto, Canada" and not "Toronto, Ontario"

[@joemoney91]

They don't need a dome; Green Bay is farther north and doesn't have a dome! All you want is every team in every sport to get new stadiums and spend every taxpayers money like there is no limit!

[@adellis24]

The Toronto Series was a disaster because the Bills tried to Nickle & Dime the city, charging the highest prices in the league to sit up in the nosebleeds & watch a shite team lose to another shite team. Also, when you realize they were charging those prices for glorified pre-season games with a fraction of the starters you start to understand why the people of Toronto no longer wanted to by the crappy product they were being sold and told to enjoy or else you'll never get a team.

[@MisterSG1]

If I remember correctly, Rogers leased the Bills for 5 years for a huge amount, I think it was 78 million for five regular season games and 3 preseason games. Rogers thought that because it was the NFL that southern Ontario consumers would pay whatever price they asked for. There’s a few problems with this strategy, unlike London which is separated by a literal ocean to the US, a Toronto fan realistically doesn’t have to go that far to see an NFL game, even with the impedance factor crossing the border has. It’s also important to remember that the dollar was very close or above parity in 2008, I can’t remember exactly. There’s also the fact that the Bills were totally lousy in this period as well, and that although Buffalo is the closest team by far to Toronto, that doesn’t necessarily mean fans in Toronto like the Bills. I know that younger people are fans of whatever teams for whatever reasons.

[@Fatblue246]

⁠@@MisterSG1more so the League and the Bills themselves view Ontario as an extension of the bills market, and realistically that doesn’t seem like it’s changing any time soon in the future. Pretty much any major city in NA has fans of teams from wherever for whatever reason, their logic in thinking most people in Ontario would be more likely to root for the bills is entirely valid considering many bills season ticket holders live in Ontario lol.

[@louiscypher4186]

Which exposes the first hurdle The NFL uses the US dollar all players and personnel are paid in USD. If we look at the average ticket price from last year it's $377 USD which would be $515 CAD. If Canadians aren't willing to pay more CAD to match USD, then the NFL has no reason to support the bid.

[@louiscypher4186]

@@michaelmarkowski204 MLB and NBA ticket prices are much lower. NBA $72.53 USD MLB $53.00 USD Besides I'm only reacting to what Toronto people have said. They complained tickets for the Bills were too high.

[@AvroBellow]

@@louiscypher4186 What about the fact that the NFL and CFL have both pledged to not expand into each other's countries? The American-wannabeeism of Toronto is so all-consuming that their brains fail to even consider the mountain blocking the path of Toronto getting an NFL team. The NFL and the CFL are that mountain. Do you honestly think that ANY group would be interested in pissing off MLSE? The Leafs rule Toronto and the Leafs OWN the Argos. Toroto is NEVER getting an NFL team, EVER. They just can't get it it through their wannabee-American skulls.

[@joshuathecat-human1247]

Listen to scotttild here. He is spot on the point there. He took the words out of my mouth. Which i really agreed for anyway.

[@ikehammett5160]

St. Louis should be first in line for expansion or re location!

[@retrowarehouse2554]

In the 2030s, I can see Canada getting a 2nd MLB team in Montreal wit the Expos, a 2nd NBA team, as they'll retry Vancouver in a joint venture where they get a new arena for the Canucks, the Leafs & Quebec getting a team in the NHL, and the NFL getting a team in Toronto. I think all of this is going down in the 2030s into the 2040s.

[@sampicano]

I think the NFL should consider: - Toronto, San Antonio or Austin, San Diego and St. Louis I think NBA will go to: - Vegas and Seattle, no brainer I think MLB has a lot of options: - Portland, Salt Lake, Austin, Nashville, Charlotte, Montreal I think NHL would be best in Quebec City, Toronto-Hamilton, Portland or Milwaukee (hockey markets) but the NHL will 100% ignore Canada and expand into Atlanta, Houston, or Phoenix and create another garbage NHL team in the South

[@jethro1963]

@@sampicano To the Americans Toronto is about on the level as San Antonio and Jacksonville, USFL type towns

[@Fatblue246]

@@jethro1963Jacksonville has a NFL team you dolt

[@jethro1963]

@@Fatblue246 Jacksonville, right up there with the world's great cities Paris, Rome

[@Firestone1]

​@@jethro1963Toronto is the 4th largest city in North America, behind Mexico City, New York & Los Angeles.

[@randybush2953]

The issue that never gets talked about with the Toronto series was as you mentioned the Bill stunk. But Rogers which brought the series to Toronto set ticket prices so high they were dead in the water right off the hop. I tried to go to the first one on a whim, and found that even 500 level tickets were going for $150 face value. I wasn’t prepared to spend that to sit miles away and watch a shit team.

[@roberthoyt7921]

Why not move the LA Chargers to Toronto rather than expand from 32 teams? I think the Toronto Argonauts could defect from the CFL to the NFL once an NFL-centric stadium that the Argos could leave BMO Field for gets built somewhere in the city.

[@1999bill1999]

No way will the NFL allow to have only 2 teams in California and have 0 AFC teams. No matter how fickle LA is. NFL will never allow Chargers to leave

[@roberthoyt7921]

@@1999bill1999 Maybe move the SF 49ers, Minnesota Vikings, and Detroit Lions to the AFC and the Buffalo Bills, Indy Colts, and Cleveland Browns to the NFC. About LA, the city has the well-known Rams of the NFC. The Chargers, however, spent most of their seasons in San Diego. Also, the NFL should realign teams in both the AFC and NFC by geography with two examples present: AFC East should consist of the Pats, Jets, Steelers, and Toronto (formerly LA Chargers) AFC South would consist of the Dolphins, Ravens, Jaguars, and Titans. Not all long-existing rivalries will last for long as new ones will be expected to be established. When will the NY Giants and NY Jets finally play in separate stadiums within the NY Metro area?

[@1999bill1999]

@@roberthoyt7921 All that you mentioned will never happen. Currently nothing is broken and there’s no need for changes

[@retrowarehouse2554]

I just told this one dude that the CFL doesn't matter, the NFL was always heading to Toronto when the time was right plus Toronto could still be bidding for the Olympics in the 2030s, probably 2036 or 2040, so they need a new NFL stadium to get built. With a few teams having some uncertainty where they are with cities not being able to afford a new super stadium, Toronto will either get it through expansion, or a team moving there. I'm keeping an eye on that Bengals situation. The NFL team in Toronto would be a huge hit, as those Bills series games were not real Toronto games, the people in the city want their own team. All of the Toronto teams from the Leafs, Jays, and Raptors have all done a great job with attendance. It would be huge for the league to finally expands outside of the country, it'll get them a step closer to a London team as well which is the league's ultimate goal.

[@scotttild]

The NFL has always maintained they are not going to Canada as long as the CFL is viable. They still don’t even play an overseas game in Canada and the CFL is why. I doubt it happens in the next 10 years.

[@jethro1963]

No one wants the Olympics anymore, too expensive, the security costs alone are prohibitive. Stadium would be over $1 billion, you think those Bread and Circuses protest groups would put up with that

[@WMFilms25]

And I believe there’s a law in Ohio that prevents any professional team from relocating under certain circumstances like a publicly funded stadium. I’m not too sure but I believe there is a law like that in Ohio.

[@Fatblue246]

i wouldn’t hold your breath on the Bengals. Ohio has laws in place that makes relocating teams next to impossible, which were created after the browns relocated before being brought back as an expansion team. Even if the team WANTED to move(which they don’t they have a pretty good sized market being near Louisville, Lexington, and Dayton)they realistically can’t due to the legal logistics. It’s not a simple vote amongst owners like it would be for other teams they’d be opening a can of worms on the legal end and the NFL would rather not deal with that again. Not to mention most of their recent relocations have been received with mixed results, really only the Raiders was received well by both fans of the NFL and the league itself. The Chargers effectively killed their entire franchise with the move to LA, a far bigger market than that of San Diego. It’s not always about market size, the Bills and Packers have shown this. Relocation on the whole is also a really unpopular concept in America right now, with teams like the A’s relocating it has been a lot of drama in the media. Your best bet is expansion, and tbh it doesn’t look like the NFL is expanding any time soon so you’re probably in for the long haul. Buffalo is going to try everything in their power to stop yall from getting a team too, they have a fairly sizable canadian season ticket holder base which they’d likely lose if Toronto got a team. London having a team also likely isn’t the end goal, rather expansion of the sport to europe as a whole. London having a team logistically wouldn’t work, the time zone difference between there and the west coast is just too big to be in the same league. To give you an idea, it takes teams a whole year to prep just for the handful of games that take place there every year, would be a logistics nightmare if it was an ongoing thing throughout the season. Most NA sports leagues have been going abroad for exhibitions trying to expand their foreign footprint as historically like most things in NA they’ve been quite NA centric. Toronto also has one of the worst CFL attendance rates, currency conversion etc. Essentially there’s many factors that make Toronto unlikely to get a team before other American markets at this point in time.

[@retrowarehouse2554]

@@scotttild You really believe that dude? You got to be a dope if you believe the NFL really cares that much about the CFL. The NFL is like any corporation they will put money over integrity. The NFL could buy the CFL to shut them up. That's not going to stop them from moving a team up there. Remember Ralph Wilson had a plan put together to move the Bills to Toronto, but he past away and it didn't come to fruition, that just tells you close Toronto was to getting a team. They don't play overseas games because there's no point. The stadiums aren't even NFL type stadiums that can generate revenue. If Toronto made a new stadium ready for an NFL team then there's a different case there. They will get a team in the next decade, bet on it. I 100% know this is happening, the guy who made this video would've never made this video if it wasn't happening. You're on some weird mission to make sure a team doesn't move up there because you're trying to protect your precious CFL, it's done bro, get over it.

[@kawhi2019]

This is definitely going to happen, as the only hold up has been getting a new stadium built which should be happened in the early 2030s. I think the TV contracts will need to get figured out as well. CFL doesn't matter either, don't know why people keep bringing that up as those two leagues can co-exist. The CFL is just a minor league product anyways, and it's housed in other cities as well.

[@jethro1963]

If the CFL is minor league how do they have players move to the NFL. Hell even Canadian colleges are now getting players drafted in the NFL

[@Fatblue246]

it’s not “definitely going to happen” lmao. Possible? sure. Definitely? Not even close lol. Are you aware of how many similar sized markets exist in the US currently without a team? Ones that do not have nearly the logistical barriers that putting a team in another country would? Not to mention Buffalo considers that whole area of Ontario part of its market, you are gonna be hard tasked to ask them to casually give that up when they’re already a smaller market team.

[@scotttild]

@@Fatblue246Buffalo might have a claim but it is a very weak one and rights don’t cross boarders. In theory they could do it but they will not.

[@kawhi2019]

@@jethro1963 Do you not know how the minors work? The minors is for player development to move back into the main league. The NFL uses the CFL as an unofficial minor league talent pull.

[@kawhi2019]

@@Fatblue246 No it's definitely gonna happen why you think he made the video the first place. Its been in the work for a lot of years now, it was going to happen 10 years ago, but the ownership situation of the Bills fell through when Ralph Wilson died. He was going to move the Bills to Toronto if he lived longer. Toronto is the largest market of those teams left trying to get teams in the U.S. Just because Buffalo has fans in Ontario, doesn't mean that's going to stop a team from moving into Toronto. You really don't even know what you're talking about, you think you do, but you don't. Toronto builds an NFL stadium it's a wrap.

[@detoxx03]

Man Toronto and Los Angeles Angeles look a lot a like

[@tomryan914]

Toronto has more Pakis!🕌🏏

[@supremeb3563]

How?

[@detoxx03]

@@supremeb3563 look at the pictures again. He used BMO in LA

[@Lizzbird_]

Not even close

[@FischerFan]

Huh? Toronto does not suffer from a Mestizo invasion.

[@Seagaltalk]

Don't need one. Don't want one

[@reh303]

Expansion will cause issues with eight divisions, which in turn will cause scheduling issues.

[@MisterSG1]

Expand to 40 teams by simply adding a team to each division, go to 18 games per season, problem solved

[@sampicano]

Or expand to 36 teams, or 34 teams and GIVE YOUR HEAD A SHAKE

[@MacDiggity]

An NFL team needs a single owner and there isn't a Canadian family wealthy enough. and that actually likes football, to invest. Mexico, Brazil, the EU and Britain will all get teams before Canada.

[@billbaird2273]

What a joke. Just wait till someone asks taxpayers to fund a new stadium you will find out just how little support there is for NFL in Toronto.

[@AvroBellow]

There's also the fact that the NFL and CFL have both pledged to not expand into each other's countries. There's also the fact that nobody would dare piss off the Argos' owners, MLSE. Rogers doesn't rule Toronto just like Bell doesn't rule Montreal. Those cities are ruled by the Maple Leafs and Canadiens, respectively. The Maple Leafs own the Argos so they're not going anywhere and no NFL team will ever come to Toronto. A whisper in the ear of the mayor by MLSE means that the idea of getting an NFL team will never see the light of day. I'm glad that the people who run Toronto are far smarter than the people who just live there.

[@apferrando]

How many times can we throw in “Toron TOE” in a video? There’s a glottal stop, or a flap, in there. Like writer, hunter, butter. And… why we showing pictures of Los Angeles here? BMo Stadium and BMo Field are 2 different places in 2 wildly different locations, with 2 incredibly different skylines and backdrops. Unless some mountains grew in overnight… one of the pictures even has “LAFC’ on the video board.

[@sampicano]

If you are from Toronto, you say Toron'no basically.

[@sampicano]

Best location in US for a team would be San Antonio or Austin. They are the 2nd and 4th largest cities in US witbout an NFL team, and they sre a 45 min drive to one another. That being said Toronto is larger than San Antonio and Austin combined....6.2 million people. And Toronto has an NHL team, MLB team, NBA team and MLS team. Toronto just needs to build a stadium, most people in Ontario watch NFL instead of CFL.

[@scotttild]

You can’t put another team in Texas for the zillionth time. Cowboys and Texans own that area. You can’t put another team in NY either. Teams have territorial rights and you can’t just stick teams any location maybe Canada but I doubt that would ever happen.

[@Mr.Ed_Wayner]

Austin/San Antonio area has a population of 5.2 million. By 2030 expected to be between 6-7 million people.

[@sampicano]

@@michaelmarkowski204 that's not how territorial rights work, if enough members on the board of governor's decide it then ti happens did you know the city New york has two teams in football, basketball, hockey, and baseball?? DID SOMEBODY VETO THE TEAMS???? WHAT ABOUT THE TWO FOOTBALL TEAMS IN LA? OR TWO BASKETBALL TEAMS IN LA? OR THE TWO HOCKEY TEAMS IN LA? OR THE TWO SOCCER TEAMS IN LA? OR THE TWO BASEBALL TEAMS IN LA? DID THEY GET VETOED? HOW DO NEW TEAMS HAPPEN?????? HOW DID PENNSYLVANIA END UP WITH 2 FOOTBALL TEAMS? BRO SMARTEN UP

[@kylerose3174]

Green Bay, Minneapolis and Seattle are all further North than Toronto.

[@joeylawn36111]

This will never happen, but IMO leave the number of teams at 32, and "expansion" into a lower league with 'promotion and relegation' like in European Soccer. But NFL owners would Never go for that.

[@jibbjabb43]

Expansion and relegation is a facade anyway. The best Cities (in a much smaller country) all get a top tier spending franchise and then like 4-8 franchisees to insulate the top tier spenders from ever falling out of the league. You get 1 'special' team every like half decade.

[@joeylawn36111]

@@jibbjabb43 Plus, in order for ‘promo and rele’ to work, there has to be “depth” like in English Football, otherwise you would quickly run out of teams

[@Hydra48]

Dude you really need to double check the pictures you're grabbing. That's BMO Stadium in Los Angeles, not BMO field. To not double check when this channel is literally your job, is beyond lazy.

[@supremeb3563]

If the Jacksonville Jaguars stadium deal fails, Toronto would be top choice for Jaguars to relocate. Jaguars' owner already owns a Four Seasons hotel and other assets in Toronto. Because of Toronto's market size and east proximity, I believe Jaguars' owner would plunk down a billion or more of his own dollars to build a stadium there and high tail it out of Jacksonville. Only down factor would be the local politics of Toronto stopping the NFL to set up shop.

[@dirtydangames]

Toronto should not have an expansion team. A lot of people from Toronto are bills fans already and they already have a CFL team

[@BWyatt76]

TV will be an issue, considering all games are national broadcasts, on the major American networks and ESPN. I live in the market, depending on who you get TV from, we get NBC/CBS/ABC/FOX from Buffalo or Detroit. Toronto games will probably be on Buffalo TV, unless NBC/CBS/ABC/FOX come to Toronto. Or the NFL can some how, work something out with CTV/CBC/TSN. However the Canadian Networks probably can't afford to broadcast their own NFL games. Sure, they show games now on Canadian TV, but doing their own broadcast is completely different and more expensive. My guess is the American networks would have to expand into the Toronto market, which the Canadian government wouldn't want. I don't think Toronto will get a NFL franchise. It's actually considered part of the Buffalo market. Plus it's also a day's drive to Detroit.

[@darrenbarnhart6526]

Think the best idea for a NFL expansion team in Canada is either Chargers or jets but if you did move the jets to Canada cut half the team aswell as the einter coaching staff.

[@JonoFedorko]

All Bills country, aside from Windsor Sarnia, Chatham and maybe london, lions country there. Still would be cool to see a Toronto team! Go Bills!

[@evanscott4297]

Just the most rattling pronunciation of “Toronto”. Like dude, do some research and say it right.

[@patrolmanpete]

He is saying it right, he's reading it as it's written

[@evanscott4297]

@@patrolmanpete If you think that's how English (or language in general) works, you have a lot of learning to do!!

[@Kalicranston]

The tickets to the Bills series were way overpriced, plus their idea of a tailgate was roping off an area and charging ten bucks for a beer. For Toronto to be a successful place for a football team, laws would need to change (specifically to improve conditions for the tailgating experience).

[@scottcostello1786]

Buffalo gets more snow than Toronto. If Buffalo doesn’t need a roof then either does Toronto. For the first 15-20 years you’ll see a lot of road teams getting cheered. Bills, Packers, Dolphins, Lions, Browns, Pats, Steelers, Cowboys etc. until a generation of Toronto fans are built.

[@joeylawn36111]

Also, FWIW "Jaguar" is pronounced JA-gwaar, not "jagwire"....But regardless, I love your channel!

[@Ejb905]

Locals don't pronounce the last T in Toronto. It's Toranno, or Toranna

[@xmontesx]

NFL in Toronto would be cool but I'm worried about what this could potentially mean for the Argos. I'd rather we maintain and continue to develop the CFL instead of just sacrificing a, very historic, team to make room for the NFL. Besides, I'm pretty sure the Canadian government would step in just to protect the CFL and maintain the "Canadian Identity".

[@brettb9541]

As a Torontonian myself, give us an expansion team. We don't want a relocated failure franchise we've got enough failures here already.

[@rickyjoehaynes3989]

I mean just bring the Toronto Argonauts to the NFL adapt to the NFL rules and boom. The 33rd NFL in the AFC North the Toronto Argonauts

[@chadwood47]

As a Canadian , this orator has no clue how much Toronto is hated by the rest of the country .

[@Firestone1]

You must be from Alberta?

[@messnet6706]

Why would Toronto need a dome for football? Buffalo is the exact same climate doesn't have a roof and they get the Lake Erie snow every winter...

[@willrobinson4976]

The NFL had higher ratings than the CFL in Canada from the article I read. There are lots of diehard NFL fans in Canada, the Packers, Cowboys, and Seahwaks, Bills and Chiefs all have large followings there.

[@jefflin7285]

There is no appetite here to use taxpayers money to help fund a new 6 US billion (8.22 cdn) dome stadium that would be needed to house an NFL team. Maybe in the past, maybe in the 90's, but certainly not today.

[@manuel1846inla1]

Top 10 NFL Expansion Options In My Opinion: 10) Columbus 9) Salt Lake City 8) Oklahoma City 7) Orlando 6) Memphis 5) Austin 4) Toronto 3) San Antonio 2) Portland 1) St. Louis

[@EdV-et6qm]

Toronto is just 93 miles from Buffalo or 230 miles from Detroit and further south than Minneapolis or Seattle.

[@Kenadams240]

The KC Chiefs could move to Toronto if they can’t get a new stadium

[@scotthjartarson4385]

Most uninformed notion ever that "one whole nation will support one team". The rest of Canada hates Toronto, most would not support them. Secondly, BMO is getting a TEMPORARY expansion to 45k. In no circumstance is that venue NFL quality. Finally, Torontonians say they "deserve" an NFL team. However they've been a disaster on the Canadian football scene. That Bills series you mentioned was horrendously supported, and they have the absolute worst support in the county for their current CFL team. Cities that are 10x smaller than Toronto draw double Toronto in attendance.

[@jimclarence5441]

I'm from Toronto and a big NFL fan. But having a NFL doesn't interest me that much. I'm happy watching the game on TV or occassionally travelling to Buffalo. Seems like a waste of money to build a stadium that wouldn't be used that much.

[@garrettlee7742]

OK so say they put a team in Toronto what division would they join? Would it be the the AFC East

[@sampicano]

1) NFL divisions are made by a dumb child, not just made by a child a DUMB ONE - make divisions geographic since that MAKES SENSE - California teams ONE DIVISION, FLORIDA TEAMS ONE DIVISON...the way the NFL structures divisions is like somebody had Dementia and just made them at random 2) NFL wouldn't work with 33 teams...it would have to be 34 or 36 teams for balance

[@AllisterH]

Yeah i think this is a non starter No way Toronto citizens are going to lay for a stadium. Unless an owner is willing to foot the bill entirely, Toronto isnt paying for a stadium

[@001spring]

Cold? 😂 People act like Toronto is in Siberia. We didnt even get a significant snowfall this year until February. If Buffalo can build a stadium without a retractable roof, so can Toronto. They'd likely build a stadium with a roof though, but its not a necessity.

[@Fatblue246]

tbf Buffalo is one of the coldest markets the NFL is in, and there’s plenty of complaints about it from other teams. Toronto is significantly colder than most US markets, even the northern ones. There’s maybe 2-3 other teams with similar weather to buffalo and even then not really since they’re not on the lake. Toronto is an additional 2 hours north and also on the lake still. it’s definitely something to think about when your competitors are San Antonio which is in Texas and other markets of similar climate lol

[@johnduff3914]

@@Fatblue246 Toronto isn't colder than Buffalo, Detroit or Minneapolis. They're about the same. Even Chicago has similar climate.

[@NHLUtahPlainBagel]

Keep NFL in American cities only

[@GpL_2000]

ok yankee

[@NHLUtahPlainBagel]

@@GpL_2000 You got that right, eh.

[@ridjymichel8534]

I don’t see the nfl working in Europe I’m saying this as a soccer fan

[@pro100]

The Buffalo Bills are right across the water. Don't thay market and pull fans from Toronto?

[@bryan89wr]

Same thing with the Seattle Seahawks for Vancouver. Also, I don't think anyone in British Columbia would instantly support a Toronto team if they got an expansion.

[@patrickhayes7838]

I think it is far more likely that they would buy the CFL than compete with the CFL directly. However, a Liberal or NDP government would likely block the sale. Maybe if a conservative government is elected and remains in power in Canada + a different NFL commissioner.

[@FischerFan]

Yet _another_ good reason to vote out the Liberals in the next election!

[@DouglasEdward84]

The Liberals wouldn't block a sale, most of their supporters couldn't give a rats ass about the CFL, since their urban and often recent immigrants. They wouldn't even give the league a loan to run a very short tournament in 2020 to have a Grey Cup awarded in Covid.

[@dineshan]

We need a NFL team in Toronto.

[@johnduff3914]

Would the CFL stand by and allow that to happen? They limit the amount of foreign players, so obviously they have some clout. Plus, I would think that southern Ontario is part of the Bill's marketing "territory" so I would imagine there would be some resistance from them.

[@FischerFan]

I can't understand why Toronto isn't using the upcoming FIFA men's World Cup as a golden opportunity to construct an NFL-caliber stadium. It doesn't get any more obvious than this! Toronto is larger than most NFL cities and could easily support a team and without jeopardizing the Buffalo Bills at all. If the CFL can co-exist with an NFL team in Canada, then so be it. The harsh reality is the CFL has been losing multi-millions for years, and this is by the admission of its own Commissioner when the League approached the federal government for funding in lieu of the pandemic. The CFL is also suffering from an aging fan base and has become a third-tier brand that simply doesn't have the star power to travel. The NHL has gone cuckoo trying to grow its product where hockey is largely irrelevant. An NFL team in Toronto would make a lot more sense any day.

[@andrewsick9003]

It will hurt the Bills. The Bills fan are more from Toronto. Buffalo is a small city. Toronto is just one hour to drive to see games on a Sunday.

[@FischerFan]

@@andrewsick9003 I don't refute that Toronto is a much larger market. On that note, why should the much larger market be stuck with a CFL team that it obviously doesn't want?

[@andrewsick9003]

@@FischerFan Because there are CFL fans in Toronto that loves CFL. You need to understand it is not that Toronto is a bigger market. Some CFL fan think that CFL is better game than NFL because of the the different rules. What makes you think they don't want CFL? CFL get around 20,000 avg around the league. Toronto does have the lowest attendance, but it went up in the last year. Plus you also have Hamilton Tiger cats in the CFL and they go crazy with that team. The real question does Toronto want NFL.

[@FischerFan]

@@andrewsick9003 What makes me think they don't want the CFL? 1) The franchise has a net value of zero 2) CFL merchandise is virtually absent in the market because there is no demand for it 3) Most young people living in the G.T.A. today don't even know what the Grey Cup is 4) Ask anybody on a Toronto street who their favourite football team is and the answer will be an NFL team

[@andrewsick9003]

@@FischerFan You are just talking about just Toronto fans . I am talking about the whole leagues. I think lots of young people know what is the Grey Cup. So you do have a good point. But I think there is some CFL interest in Toronto. Yes there like NFL. The big question is which League do they like the most CFL or NFL? They are different in many ways. Some people think CFL is better and don't like the NFL rules.

[@Depressednotredamefan3736]

What division would they be in?

[@stevencramsie9172]

It would be a crime if Toronto, Canada gets an NFL team before San Diego does.

[@EnderSportsVideos]

san deigo used to have a team. the chargers

[@Tank4Life]

San Diego has already voted against any stadium. They don't want a franchise

[@1999bill1999]

San Diego is unserious in building an NFL caliber stadium

[@timlamiam]

if there's gonna be another Southern Ontario NHL team, it will be Hamilton

[@terririnella4032]

NO< PLEASE GOD NO....(Insert Steve Carroll clip later).....live long Toronto inhabitant, redevelopping NFL fan.....NO, I cannot state this strong enough, but will try if necessary.....NO! Perhaps i am being a little subtle or unclear.....NO....i don't want the NFL here, i don't want the Olympics here, i'm not happy the World Cup is coming (at least it's a shared situation) i am mostly ok, cause i know many of the issues, i know most are unsolved or perhaps unsolvable, and i lived through the Buffalo fiasco, which i knew wouldn't work and was proud of the vast number of people who saw what that sham was and didn't buy in either sincerely, please and thank you, NO, NO, No, H3ll No

[@BigTriGuyRFM]

Three issues... Public funds will not happen... Second that BMO renovation is just temp seats.... Also Canada isnt a monolith, people in BC are not cheating for a Toronto team

[@Kwolf1]

We have the CFL, don’t need an NFL team.

[@ronpeacock9939]

Sadly, by NFL's own rules... Toronto is probably out... it's too close to buffalo and by their rules.. the Bills would have to relinquish their territorial rights (because quite a few bills fans are north of the border) and I don't see that happening anytime soon.. on top of that, Toronto does have a CFL team (Argonauts) who are quite popular... Though they have the size... I see bigger road blocks.. on top of that, expansion hurts the NFL teams power for relocation threats... I also believe that the CFL and NFL have an agreement to stay away from each other.. when the CFL had a forey into the states.. it was cities without NFL teams... (and the NFL still screwed them over)... No, I think Toronto is probably way down on the list. Much further than most think.

[@MisterSG1]

Argonauts are popular? Haha, look at their attendance, I occasionally go to games, and the vast majority of fans are boomers.

[@jethro1963]

@@MisterSG1 While it's not great their attendance has gone up the last two years instead of down and the league has been working to engage new fans

[@jethro1963]

Nothing sad about it, what fool is going to pony up more than 4 billion (stadium and franchise fee) and have to wait 20 years for a ROI. The owners in the NFL making the real money are all the old franchises from the early days. MLSE had bean counters who were against it. Hell even David Stern said no one wanted the Raptors until the owners got greedy for an expansion fee. NFL owners are a private club they don't need the money.

[@ronpeacock9939]

@@MisterSG1 attendance means little.. often its a factor of $$$$ rather than popularity... all leagues and levels..

[@dtown902]

The Argos would have to be compensated.

[@Firestone1]

Nobody cares about the Argos.

[@sirbobloblaws]

@@Firestone1 Local ratings say different.

[@jonstefanik9400]

Not happening. Rogers Centre has been remodeled for baseball only and BMO Stadium is not equipped for the NFL. Finally I doubt very much that tax payers want to pay for a third stadium in the city. Toronto would have had a chance if they did not remodel Rogers Centre but then again multipurpose stadiums are a thing of the past.