This DARK Theory Completely Flips Harry Potter's Ending - Harry Potter Theory

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Harry Potter Theory

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Welcome to Harry Potter Theory. Today we’re discussing a HORRIFIC Harry Potter Theory that bears the potential to completely flip the Harry Potter ending on it’s head. It involves (you guessed it) our main antagonist Lord Voldemort- and a scenario in which Voldemort…*gasp*..SURVIVES.
Voldemort is defeated (at least markedly) twice in the Harry Potter story.
His first defeat was at the Potter residence in Godric’s Hollow, where his rebounding curse (thanks to Lily’s loving sacrifice) shot back at him and ripped his soul from his destroyed body. This marked the (temporary) end of Voldemort, and the end of the First Wizarding War.
But Voldemort certainly wasn’t done- oh no no.
In 1995 Voldemort made his resurgence, more motivated than ever to take back control of the Wizarding World and get revenge on the boy who had defeated him.
However, this didn’t work out too well for him either, as shown in his final showdown with Harry during the Battle of Hogwarts.
And after this final fated duel, it’s generally accepted that Voldemort was dead. In the films, Voldemort’s body broke off in to thousands of pieces and vanished in to nothing, and in the books the former dark-lord was reduced to a corpse just like anyone else.
Eventually, after all of the dust has settled, Voldemort’s body is moved in to a resting Chamber within the walls of Hogwarts- something that the films fail to mention altogether. It’s here- somewhere entirely unspecified within the castle- that Voldemort purportedly lay for the remainder of eternity.
Or…DID HE?
The theory that I want to put forth today suggests that Voldemort, by way of- you guessed it- HORCRUXES- was able to survive.
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@HarryPotterTheory
@HarryPotterTheory Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching all! This was fun to discuss. What do you think? Plausible or not? Did I overlook something obvious? Comment down below!
@vaelegoro7782
@vaelegoro7782 Жыл бұрын
I think maybe if such a soul piece still existed it moved from Harry to his child maybe even being able to restore it into a complete soul imean his son even looks just like young Tom riddle
@Brightstarvids
@Brightstarvids Жыл бұрын
Second
@maximillian875
@maximillian875 Жыл бұрын
That theory is an idea I came up with for a character I imagined in Stranger Things. There was a darkness in another character that had powers like El, except far stronger, and later, it would take control of him.
@Skrajne_centrum
@Skrajne_centrum Жыл бұрын
I though you were going more with "blood in his veins" isn't it strange that Lilly love for Harry was in Voldemort but it didnt help him survive? And that they take Voldemort body to Hogwart ... No buried or burn? But to place more save than Gringot bank? Why? ... But if he is still alive... The most powerful wizard nobody can kill ... Wouldnt be logical to have eye on him? In prison with propably most powerful wizards as guards! What i say is ... Meaby he is still alive, cant be killed but still to weak to be dengerous ... At least for now.
@theogghost9872
@theogghost9872 Жыл бұрын
harry went to limbo because he died he only came back because he had the resurrection stone and Voldemort took his place because the last piece of him died instead of harry because the stone brought him back
@GTrevise
@GTrevise Жыл бұрын
As absurd as this theory is in reality, it would still be a better sequel than the cursed child
@DeadLogic-bm8rj
@DeadLogic-bm8rj Жыл бұрын
I think cursed child would be good af tho
@ilbranca9208
@ilbranca9208 Жыл бұрын
@@DeadLogic-bm8rj it could be, but it needs to be modified... A lot
@GTrevise
@GTrevise Жыл бұрын
Yeah... completely changing the way time turner's worked really damaged the plot
@Larka661
@Larka661 Жыл бұрын
Personally I wish j.k. Rawling would do a series on that. Voldemorts child. Both she and Voldemorts mother used a love potion on their fathers. Plus if Voldemort has a child, maybe the legacy can continue.
@donnellhill75
@donnellhill75 Жыл бұрын
Why do people hate it. It's more about the kids than anything.
@DallyLama93
@DallyLama93 Жыл бұрын
Actually this falls apart when you read that after he came back from death Harry could now no longer talk to snakes. Which means the part of Voldy inside of him that made that possible was actually gone
@marekjurcik
@marekjurcik Жыл бұрын
Thanks for pointing this out! Makes sense.
@Martyn_Wolf
@Martyn_Wolf Жыл бұрын
Yet Ron could spesk snake even if only a literal few words he ain't no Salazar heir. I suggest they get Harry to try and see into Voldys mind... Oh wait there isn't one lol
@Neyugnoel
@Neyugnoel Жыл бұрын
@@Martyn_Wolf from the movies “Harry talks in his sleep” 🤣
@diabloakland
@diabloakland Жыл бұрын
@@Martyn_Wolf that wasn’t in the books
@Martyn_Wolf
@Martyn_Wolf Жыл бұрын
@@diabloakland Yes it is. Ron uses a tiny bit of Parsaltounge to open the chamber of secrets in Death Hallows during the battle of Hogwarts, to obtain the Basalisk fangs that Hermione's uses to destroy the cup of Hufflepuff.
@krystalbernier234
@krystalbernier234 Жыл бұрын
Riddle's body was never found after Halloween '81. Just his robes and wand. He actually left a corpse at the end of DH.
@Martyn_Wolf
@Martyn_Wolf Жыл бұрын
Tom Riddle became the new Micheal Myers lol
@steventaylor4798
@steventaylor4798 Жыл бұрын
I think also he could not make any more horcrux's than the seven originally made the body would be checked for life and sorted that way .
@user-vt2cr8qd1b
@user-vt2cr8qd1b Жыл бұрын
@@steventaylor4798 yeah and with only 1/7th to 1/9th (idk how much of his soul is lost each of the two times his body dies) of his soul left, Voldemort is probably significantly weakened and taken down several power levels. I don't think a single fragment of his soul could be enough to somehow take control over a very powerful adult Harry.
@darthbane3937
@darthbane3937 Жыл бұрын
When you said darkest theory, I thought you were referring to the one where Dumbledore, not Harry came back from that limbo. Dumbledore had bound himself to Harry which was how he was able to meet him there. Then he puts Harry down and comes back to live again. After all, the ending mentions twinkling eyes.
@HarryPotterTheory
@HarryPotterTheory Жыл бұрын
Haven’t heard of this one (somehow). Sounds very sinister! I may have to look in to it more
@dracmalfoy8664
@dracmalfoy8664 Жыл бұрын
How did he get Ginny pragnent than?
@benedeknagy4817
@benedeknagy4817 Жыл бұрын
@@dracmalfoy8664 I mean Dumbledore definitely knows how it works even if he plays for the other hole 😂
@DEEAATEE
@DEEAATEE Жыл бұрын
@@dracmalfoy8664 you mean pregananant!?
@oliverandtotoro
@oliverandtotoro Жыл бұрын
Wait this is actually genius
@safsren
@safsren Жыл бұрын
"So the part of his soul that was in me..." Dumbledore nodded still more enthusiastically, urging Harry onward, a broad smile of encouragement on his face. "...has it gone?" "Oh yes!" said Dumbledore. "Yes, he destroyed it. Your soul is whole, and completely your own, Harry"
@majorbadidea
@majorbadidea Жыл бұрын
I always had issues with the portrait having the same intelligence as the real person.. Maybe it's just a mirror
@nicolemesser6960
@nicolemesser6960 Жыл бұрын
Limbo isn’t a permanent status; Harry has the option to move on because his soul is intact. Voldemort can’t because his soul is fragmented and unable to move within limbo itself, much less to the “other side.” Also, each time he split his soul, the soul he has for each time is split in half: each soul fragment is smaller than the last. It’s why Tom Riddle’s soul in the diary is so potent compared to this. Even if something of Voldemort was left, I doubt it’d be strong enough to do much, and it could die when Harry dies of natural causes. But I think Voldemort did die the final time at Hogwarts, dead body and all, because it wraps up narratively.
@theogghost9872
@theogghost9872 Жыл бұрын
why do people forget about the resurrection stone harry had it and that is why he didn't die and why he came back it had nothing to do with Harry's soul being intact harry died plain and simple along with Voldemort's remaining piece of soul. the stone allowed harry to come back. but Voldemort didn't have the stone
@Trikzzarn
@Trikzzarn Жыл бұрын
@@theogghost9872 he dropped the stone before he died tho
@theogghost9872
@theogghost9872 Жыл бұрын
@@Trikzzarn no he died his hand opened and he had the stone in his hand
@Trikzzarn
@Trikzzarn Жыл бұрын
@@theogghost9872 “I was, it seems . . . mistaken,” said Voldemort. “You weren’t.” Harry said it as loudly as he could, with all the force he could muster. He did not want to sound afraid. The Resurrection Stone slipped from between his numb fingers, and out of the corner of his eyes he saw his parents, Sirius, and Lupin vanish as he stepped forward into the firelight. At that moment he felt that nobody mattered but Voldemort. It was just the two of them. Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Chapter 34. The forest again, page 592 of 638
@angelyuqi6709
@angelyuqi6709 Жыл бұрын
@@theogghost9872 no pls read the books. Resurrection stone doesn't actually bring dead people back only a mere ghost of them. Stone did nothing to bring Harry back, voldemort's horcrux inside him died & his own soul survived b'cuz of Lily's blood protection which was flowing in voldy's body as well
@mikehunt2805
@mikehunt2805 Жыл бұрын
The Dementors kiss takes your soul but it doesn't kill you, so the killing curse must do something different.
@sullisen
@sullisen Жыл бұрын
Not necessarily, could be the killing curse rips the soul instantly and violently which is traumatic enough for the body to kill it while the dementors kiss takes the soul gradually, still quickly, but gradually to some extent, removing the instant violent part of the equation which makes the body able to handle it. Or the act of the kiss first transfers something to the recipient causing the body to be paralyzed in some figurative way leading to it enduring the otherwise traumatic removal. I dunno just speculating..
@matthewkiggin5456
@matthewkiggin5456 Жыл бұрын
The killing curse kills you it’s in the name
@jaybird0312
@jaybird0312 Жыл бұрын
The dementors kiss is like a scalpel. It's similar to lobotomy in its precision. It does ONE thing: take the soul, while leaving the body alone. The killing curse rips the soul from the body and causes the body to just stop working altogether.
@aniksamiurrahman6365
@aniksamiurrahman6365 Жыл бұрын
@@jaybird0312 I say, the Demontor's kiss actually does a brain damage similar to Labotomy. Wizards, unware of any science altogether (check Hogwarts Syllabus, u'll yak), just couldn't make the difference.
@eynardtom6448
@eynardtom6448 Жыл бұрын
As I understood it, Voldemort's soul was with Harry in Kings Cross, but the newly destroyed piece of soul is not here for the exact reason that it is not linked to the real world anymore. On the contrary, the wounded part of Voldemort that still lives is in Kings Cross because it is in between life and death. And I suppose that when Harry kills him, this part vanishes from the limbs to be actually dead !
@cisio64123
@cisio64123 Жыл бұрын
Yes , that soul fragment / horcrux was destroyed as Dumbledore pointedly tells Harry in the limbo Kings Cross thus it would and could not be there. Harry wasn't killed but his soul was put into limbo because his mothers love protection had blocked Voldemort's killing curse once again. As his body was still alive his soul could choose to return back to it or move on. That protection however did not extend to Voldemort's soul fragment/ horcrux inside Harry so it was destroyed. Voldemort was tethered to Harry through his blood so he went into limbo with Harry when he did the killing curse but he was also tethered to life because Nagini was still living. This means both Harry and Voldemort were in limbo together and both could return and did. However the soul fragment / horcrux no longer existed though. Once Neville killed Nagini Voldemort's last horcrux was gone and Harry was able to kill him. The proof that the soul fragment / horcrux inside Harry was truly destroyed is that Harry's scar never bothered him again and he lost his ability to speak Parseltongue .
@TV-ge3uj
@TV-ge3uj Жыл бұрын
At least in general, the soul isn't the same as the mind in Harry Potter. Snape says so (even if Dumbledore responds that this might be different in Harry's case - but this seems to mean that Voldemort had a different avenue of attack compared to other people he would use Legilimency against). If the soul isn't the same as the mind, the mind itself should simply be Harry's. So how do you think Voldemort's soul would *learn* from Harry? And if that soul fragment could take over Harry, why did it never do this before (especially with Voldemort or with the young Tom Riddle close by)?
@untflutist
@untflutist Жыл бұрын
The sacrifice of love Harry made was more poweful than what Voldemort could have fathomed. Harry was willing to die to safe all Hogwarts. That's why the last piece of Voldermort soul died forever as the intent of the curse to whom it was being casted upon contained both souls. The elder wand in the hands of Voldermort chose to hit and kill the caster.
@barbiquearea
@barbiquearea Жыл бұрын
What if they threw a still living Voldemort or his Horcruxes into the veil? If all of the Horcruxes were tossed through the veil, would it force his soul to also get trapped inside the veil as he would no longer have anything anchoring him to the mortal realm? Maybe he would still be alive in some form but trapped in a state of limbo, his soul not being able to enter the plain of the dead or return to the mortal world.
@chromeshellking
@chromeshellking Жыл бұрын
If has active anchors the former would not happen, if all anchors are gone and he fell in he would be trapped.
@broark88
@broark88 Жыл бұрын
I feel like most of the answers later given to questions in the Deathly Hallows are like "of course it's not exactly what you'd expect based on everything that's been set up! It's something totally incomprehensible instead!"
@mr.aleximer
@mr.aleximer Жыл бұрын
The last fight scene in the movies was so underwhelming to me...
@macwelch8599
@macwelch8599 Жыл бұрын
That doesn’t make sense, after all his Horcruxes were destroyed, including Harry and poor Nagini
@markanthonypittaway1539
@markanthonypittaway1539 Жыл бұрын
Gotta feel sorry for Nagini , she never asked for the life she got. Gotta feel sorry for her...
@macwelch8599
@macwelch8599 Жыл бұрын
@@markanthonypittaway1539 I agree, hugely
@markanthonypittaway1539
@markanthonypittaway1539 Жыл бұрын
@@macwelch8599 R.I.P Nagini
@marekjurcik
@marekjurcik Жыл бұрын
Possibly not all horcruxes. Someone pointed out, that Hermione has duplicated the locket, when they got out of Ministry, effectively duplicating the part of Voldemort's soul inside!
@RealCadde
@RealCadde Жыл бұрын
I was expecting more along the lines of, Tom using other magic besides horcruxes to double down on him being tied to the world of the living. That at least would be plausible. The soul fragment that lived in Harry was removed from the world of the living with the killing curse. Harry could then return to his body as Harry's soul didn't take the full blast of the curse, Tom's soul fragment shared the blast of the curse which allowed Harry to return to his body where Tom's soul was unable due to being damaged and also the fact that Harry's body was his souls home, not Tom's. Your explanation falls on the fact that IF Voldemort could take over the body and mind of Harry, he would have done so long ago when Harry was still an infant. And even more so, Nagini who would have been taken over by Voldemort seeing as how Nagini didn't have the protection of love given by Harry's mother. No, the story holds true to its ending. The soul fragment of Tom that was seen in Kings Cross is forever stuck in limbo as the soul must pass whole to the other side of back to the world of the living. That's what makes the kiss of death done by dementors particularly terrible, as they rip the soul out and stores it inside them. Not allowing the soul to pass on anywhere. Quite a lot of souls would be released if a dementor was actually killed. Makes me wonder what interesting effects that could have as the souls would return to the world of the living without a body and without a ghost. Now that's a follow-up story worth talking about.
@majorbadidea
@majorbadidea Жыл бұрын
Nagini was made a horcrux after GoF
@RealCadde
@RealCadde Жыл бұрын
@@majorbadidea The more you know. I didn't recall that but apparently it's true, should be in the chapter about horcruxes in Half Blood Prince. Even so, when Tom Riddle was alive he could have made a living horcrux and then taken over that instead of drinking unicorn blood. So i am still not sure it changes things. Who would want to be his horcrux? Still Nagini, but she was AFAIK invented into existence in GoF so that wouldn't be possible in canon. In fact, most of the stuff about horcruxes are made up mid story. So nothing is canon and so we are back to square one. Voldemort could have taken oven anyone had he had access to and wanted too before his defeat. Rather than linger in Harry until many years later and then attempt a take over of a powerful and resisting wizard. Some people enjoy going up the wrong way on an escalator but not when their lives depend on it.
@majorbadidea
@majorbadidea Жыл бұрын
@Cadde yeah let's be honest it's not exactly a documentary comparable to ASOIAF. The books are great, but the system is broken on many occasions for the benefit of the story
@PoolKid75
@PoolKid75 Жыл бұрын
2:22 I thought they fed Voldemort's body to the giant squid living in the Black Lake?
@alwaysplotting2096
@alwaysplotting2096 Жыл бұрын
The only way this could be worse is if the souls fuse into some terrifying combination of Harry and Voldemort. I don't think the Wizarding World needs its own Batman Who Laughs.
@azerdraco3146
@azerdraco3146 Жыл бұрын
Read my comment for my take on that exact scenario.
@jacquesduplessis6809
@jacquesduplessis6809 Жыл бұрын
imagine the problem this would create for the trio, you can't really kill Voldemort without killing harry then. it would be a check mate scenario that would be amazing to see....better than the cursed child..
@Petoj87
@Petoj87 Жыл бұрын
Do we know if Harry lost the abilities Voldemorts soul game him? Like speaking to snakes.
@phillipwalker916
@phillipwalker916 Жыл бұрын
I heard Rowling confirmed Harry DID lose Parseltongue ability and much of his hotheadedness, implying the evil soul fragment's not with him anymore ... but that doesn't mean it has to be gone forever EITHER, does it? Hmmmmmmm ...
@TheOriginalCFA1979
@TheOriginalCFA1979 Жыл бұрын
The epilogue says “and he never heard a snakes speak parseltongue again.” Or something to that effect I’m sure. Don’t think they mention his temperament in the epilogue, but wouldn’t surprise me if that’s a interview detail.
@svetlananikolaeva8039
@svetlananikolaeva8039 Жыл бұрын
@@TheOriginalCFA1979 The epilogue actually said, "the scar didn't hurt for 19 years"
@tovarishcheleonora8542
@tovarishcheleonora8542 Жыл бұрын
@@svetlananikolaeva8039 I wonder what happened after that 19yrs. Because this phrasing implies that it did hurt again for him after the 19yrs.
@ZTM0nster
@ZTM0nster Жыл бұрын
@@tovarishcheleonora8542 I don’t think it means anything just the epilogue kinda picked up 19 years later
@drpepper998
@drpepper998 Жыл бұрын
I think since they both were in limbo and seperated at that point, each had a choice to go back to the earthly world or move beyond. Since Valdemote was only a fragment of a soul, and not a complete one like Harry, he didn't get a choice to go back or move beyond. He is stuck in limbo, unable to move forward or backwards so to speak.
@patrickfurlong4276
@patrickfurlong4276 Жыл бұрын
Interesting ideas.. Could lead to a new theory - could the wizarding world be terrified of Harry after seeing him defeat Voldemort and what could happen because of it?
@brt5273
@brt5273 Жыл бұрын
It wouldn't surprise me for Rowling to have provided a secret backdoor in case she decided to revive the storyline at some point in the future. However, at this point I don't think she would even if she had indeed planned that. However, someone else always could exploit something like that.
@lauren_e_s
@lauren_e_s Жыл бұрын
I thought the reason Harry survived the avada kedavra was because he had all three deathly hallows. Or at least, he was the "owner" of all three despite not having them in his immediate physical posession. If you have all three hallows, you become the "master of death." I'm not sure exactly what that means, but I think it's what allowed Harry to be able to come back to life.
@DustedinShadow
@DustedinShadow Жыл бұрын
Yep.
@angelyuqi6709
@angelyuqi6709 Жыл бұрын
No. Being "a master of death" is more of a metaphor here since it does makes u extremely powerful to have all 3 hallows but they don't guarantee that a person won't die. He didn't die simply b'cuz voldy ended up destroying his own soul inside Harry's body instead of Harry's soul. Also b'cuz Lily's blood protection was not only in harrry but Inside Voldys body as well when he used his blood to revive his body back
@dreddscott3873
@dreddscott3873 Жыл бұрын
Not exactly. He didn't die because he was master of the unbeatable wand specifically. The cloak helped him not die because he could always hide under it, and it never wore off, but it didnt help him in the final fight. The ring....there was no practical use for the ring other than seeing dead people. Didn't stop him from dying at all.
@JoshNicotine
@JoshNicotine Жыл бұрын
I mean one of the hallows is called the resurrection stone so I’m pretty sure that’s what brought him back to life
@dreddscott3873
@dreddscott3873 Жыл бұрын
@@JoshNicotine no, somebody has to actually use the stone to bring somebody else back. Nobody brought Harry back.
@lewisosborne5346
@lewisosborne5346 Жыл бұрын
1) Didn’t know they his body in Hogwarts, thought it is buried in an unmarked grave like Bin Laden - that’s actually pretty grim, especially for this fictional universe. 2) It was the Hallows that gave Harry the option to return from Limbo (at least that was what I took from that scene). 3) Following on from 1 and your definition of ghosts in this video, couldn’t it be that his ghost is lingering in the grounds of the school, manipulating people and making a whole new generation of dark wizards and/or Death Eaters; now THAT to my would’ve been a better sequel than the Cursed Child, and having the original characters’s children get how evil Voldemort was in live and still is in death.
@77Friction
@77Friction Жыл бұрын
I like your thinking, but your typos almost made it impossible to read
@QQ-xr8ky
@QQ-xr8ky Жыл бұрын
A soul fragment can't move on to the afterlife nor come back as a ghost.
@lewisosborne5346
@lewisosborne5346 Жыл бұрын
Yeah but wouldn’t be a neat idea? Besides, wouldn’t the Dark Lord look into becoming a ghost, given his fear of dying?
@svetlananikolaeva8039
@svetlananikolaeva8039 Жыл бұрын
No, it was not the deathly Hallows that let Harry return, it was Lily's sacrifice continuing to live because voldemort had Harry's blood that let him return
@peterpeterpumpkineater9451
@peterpeterpumpkineater9451 2 ай бұрын
Just to clarify, bin Laden was buried at sea, so that there would be no gravesite to visit.
@stevenhicks7613
@stevenhicks7613 Жыл бұрын
"where was the soul fragment that was newly destroyed?" Umm... It was destroyed. It's just a fragment, not the main. It doesn't have to go to limbo. Rowling has said that Riddle prime being so mangled and mutilated was never able to go beyond limbo. The huddled, immobile mass we see in the limbo plan shows this as well.
@andrzejzborowski4920
@andrzejzborowski4920 Жыл бұрын
There is also the possibility that the part of Voldemort's soul residing in Harry did not have the protection of Harry's mother. Why? It wasn't in Voldemort's body during the rebirth when he used Harry's blood, nor was it in Harry's body when Voldemort killed his mother, and that's when the protection of Harry's soul and body came into being. So it's possible that the soul fragment residing in Harry was killed.
@samhunter7619
@samhunter7619 Жыл бұрын
Your thumbnail made me laugh. I lose it every time I hear Fudge say “he’s back”
@dennisweijzen8997
@dennisweijzen8997 Жыл бұрын
I have known this channel for a long time now, but last week I discovered the Spotify channel. I have been listening to your podcasts ever since for big parts of my day: on my way to work in the train and walking, whilst at work, on my way back home from work in the train and walking and even in the car when I am driving. It really helps to get me through the day so I want to say: thankyou!
@HarryPotterTheory
@HarryPotterTheory Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your support Dennis! Glad you enjoy the content! Growing Spotify has been a big focus this year
@PuzzlingHousing56
@PuzzlingHousing56 Жыл бұрын
Unrelated but could you do a what if about Petunia Dursley being a witch along side Lily?
@YellowBear-kx1ff
@YellowBear-kx1ff Жыл бұрын
You mean Petunia EVANS? And if Snape still called Lily the M word and she still gave up on him, would he go after PETUNIA?
@Neyugnoel
@Neyugnoel Жыл бұрын
Supercarlinbrothers just made a video on that fairly recently go check it out
@twinkerdoodle
@twinkerdoodle Жыл бұрын
I've always thought that while Hagrid was picking up Harry from the destroyed house, he took the time to kick Voldy in his stupid snake face while he was there. Makes me happy.
@Idorazan
@Idorazan Жыл бұрын
I always thought he might have survived because Hermione duplicated the locket, when the Trio infiltrated the ministry. In this scenario, the part of Voldemort's soul inside the locket was duplicated along with it.
@HarryPotterTheory
@HarryPotterTheory Жыл бұрын
Interesting!
@grec.
@grec. Жыл бұрын
This is actually very logical. Makes total sense.
@domashnie_lubimtsy
@domashnie_lubimtsy Жыл бұрын
But doesn't such duplication only create an object similar, not transferring all the qualities of the original to it? Never thought too deep about it, but if you're right it's ground shaking!
@Idorazan
@Idorazan Жыл бұрын
@@domashnie_lubimtsy Perhaps..., but the enchanted treasures in the Lestrange vault kept on duplicating themselves continuously. Wouldn't that have stopped after one duplication, if the enchantment didn't carry over to the copies? It might be different when a piece of soul is involved..., but still.
@domashnie_lubimtsy
@domashnie_lubimtsy Жыл бұрын
@@Idorazan yeah, that's definitely a possibility to consider. On the other hand, if the piece of a soul could be duplicated, why didn't the dark lord try to just in case? And if it's an exact copy does death of the original effect it? Anyway it's a solid riddle 👍🏻
@ef-5tornado495
@ef-5tornado495 Жыл бұрын
I would’ve thought that Voldemort had an 8th horcrux because he mentioned to slughorn that 7 is what he was interested in but he made one from Harry unknowingly, so if he already made 7 by then, that would make it 8 and there is still one out there that nobody knows about
@cfh0384
@cfh0384 Жыл бұрын
A seven part soul was what he was interested in. Six horcruxes plus the bit bit in his body which wouldn't be a horcrux. Thus Harry was the unintended seventh horcrux, unbeknownst to Voldemort, leaving him with eight part soul.
@asherloughton9881
@asherloughton9881 Жыл бұрын
I believe that when Harry and Voldemorts’ soul was ripped out by the aveda kedavra, they went in ‘different directions’, so the soul fragment was no longer bound to Harry. And then, because Harry’s soul was full and healthy, he could return, but Voldemort’s fragment of a soul could not
@Bishal692
@Bishal692 Жыл бұрын
your Content is Beautiful...♥️, its 2ocloc at night and this is so amazing that i am watching under my blanket.
@niki75
@niki75 Жыл бұрын
It is an interesting theory for sure... One I dont personally subscribe to, since I believe the main way of Voldemort's resurgence after 1998 has already been tried? Doesnt he attempt to possess Harry in Order of the Phoenix after the duel with Dumbledore. He fails and according to Dumbledore "Has never experienced pain like it because his mangled and maimed soul cant withstand contact with Harry's intact and pure one" (Paraphrasing). It's also the reason why Harry no longer needs to study Occlumency in Half Blood Prince, and why there's no more visions. Voldemort himself is using Occlumency against Harry because of what happened in the Ministry. As for why we dont see the fragment in King's Cross in Limbo? I'd say that's due to the very nature of the Horcruxes themselves. Once the container is destroyed the soul fragment is destroyed with it as it *cant* survive without it's container. I think Avada Kedavra *really* did kill Harry, therefore the fragment would've been destroyed completely. But because of Lily's protection within Voldemort Harry was able to go back. Not to mention as it's been said that Harry lost his ability to speak with snakes after the Forest. And that the scar hadnt bothered him in 19 years. It's a cool "What if" but that's about it.
@Jedda678
@Jedda678 Жыл бұрын
Yeah the theory doesn't hold up sadly, just for one simple fact Dumbledore said there is nothing Harry could do for the creature, or bit of Voldemort's soul in limbo after it was killed with Harry. Harry did die, he just was allowed to choose to come back thanks to Voldemort taking Harry's blood. The soul fragment died and was not given that choice because Voldemort's main body housed the main part of his soul no matter how mangled or distorted it had become.
@shamusatha4700
@shamusatha4700 Жыл бұрын
I've always wondered how many wands a wizard can own if you think about it Harry owns two wands ( not including the film) he has his wand he won from draco then he won the elder so can a wizard have more than one wand
@kretisme
@kretisme Жыл бұрын
I don't see why not but if olivander is right the wand chose the wizard most won't work for just anyone they could use them but it would reduce the effect of there magic it might also be a financial thing that they are expensive but there will probably be someone who just collects wands just for display
@shamusatha4700
@shamusatha4700 Жыл бұрын
@@kretisme that makes sense 😅
@Princess_Celestia_
@Princess_Celestia_ 7 ай бұрын
​@@kretismeThe wand chooses the wizard, if you best that wizard, that wizard's wand then chooses you as it's new master.
@AustynSN
@AustynSN Жыл бұрын
Here's a thought... If a piece of Voldemort's soul did survive, then it's approximately 1/7th of a soul. When Voldemort was destroyed the first time, all of his horcruxes were still in tact. Even then, he came back as "less than spirit, less than the meanest ghost". If that's the case with all of his soul split, but still in existence, then perhaps if he did still have a single horcrux, he would be even weaker. Completely aware, but unable to affect or interact anything around him. So weak that even the most powerful magic can't see him. Forever cursed to wander a world that eventually forgets him as his greatest enemy moves on to have a happy and fulfilling life.
@TheOriginalCFA1979
@TheOriginalCFA1979 Жыл бұрын
Actually, no. Each time he splits his soul, it’s stated he splits it in half. So the first time he would have half a soul, the second time a quarter, third time an eighth. By 7th Horcrux we’re looking at more like 0.5-1% soul remaining. When Harry and Voldemort met in the Forbidden Forest, Harry literally had more of Voldemort’s soul than Voldemort had.
@AustynSN
@AustynSN Жыл бұрын
@@TheOriginalCFA1979 Where is it stated that it's always cut in half and not split equally among all the parts? Not saying either of us is right or wrong, just questioning if it was ever stated specifically.
@AdamMichalMarkowski
@AdamMichalMarkowski Жыл бұрын
Headcanon - piece of Voldemort soul was indeed burried deep in Harry, but due to being maimed ended up dominated by Harry soul, which due to being good helped reformed it enough so after Harry's death that fragment was able to reunite with maimed fragment on the other side, and allow Voldemort to move on onto the afterlife with Harry.
@DSdemon767
@DSdemon767 Жыл бұрын
5:14 If Avada Kedavra does rip the soul out of your body, how would that kill you? Dementor’s kiss removes the soul from the body as well and the victim is left an empty shell, but alive. So wouldn’t Avada Kedavra have the same results assuming that is how the curse works?
@TheOriginalCFA1979
@TheOriginalCFA1979 Жыл бұрын
I generally agree, but perhaps it’s not the soul removal that’s lethal? It’s been a LONG time since I read the books, but I didn’t think the kiss was described as “ripping” the soul but “sucking out” the soul. I could be completely wrong about that. Potentially the difference is the Dementor’s kiss is a slower extraction of the soul, which gives the body time to adjust, whereas Avada Kedavra rips the soul free in an instant, sending the body into “shock” and shutting it down? Sort of like the bends. You can slowly bring yourself to the surface when diving and be fine, but if you rocket to the surface as fast as you can you could die half way up from a brain embolism, or worst yet you’re a saturation diver and go from a few hundred feet below the water to surface level instantly and explode, because you needed 2 weeks of slowly having the pressure lowered back to surface pressure.
@kaytlinjustis5643
@kaytlinjustis5643 Жыл бұрын
I think that having your soul removed by a Dementor, brings the result akin to Brain Death. Your body is still alive, but nothing of what makes you, you is there. The Killing Curse, I think, does more than just wrench your soul from your body. When the body dies naturally, it can no longer house the soul within it, so the soul moves on. The Killing Curse CEASES everything that the body does to stay alive; breathing, heartbeat, brain-and-body connection, etc., so the soul moves on.
@DSdemon767
@DSdemon767 Жыл бұрын
@@TheOriginalCFA1979 Interesting. I havent read the books for some time as well.
@Bananabob3
@Bananabob3 Жыл бұрын
My headcannon is that Avada kedavra destroys the soul while the dementors only remove it so while with a dementor your body can survive because the soul exists somewhere there isn’t any chance of that with avada kedavra hence why it’s an unforgivable curse while dementors aren’t, atleased you have a chance to get to the afterlife with them.
@Magepure6749
@Magepure6749 Жыл бұрын
@@Bananabob3 Hmm, funny because I had somewhat of an opposite hunch after reading OP's comment. As in, the dementors devour your soul, but they need your body to stay alive for the process, otherwise their soul-dinner escapes to the afterlife, only partially consumed. So basically it's worse than death because if you don't get mercy-killed in the middle of the "kiss", you don't even get to have an afterlife. Your soul becomes a part of that dementor. Avada Kedavra, on the other hand, just makes your body-soul connection _(spiritual router? lol)_ instantly severed, which still enables you to move to the other side. Idk, that's just how I see it :P Interesting to read others' interpretations too, though.
@Johan92Johansson
@Johan92Johansson Жыл бұрын
When Voldemort tried to kill Harry in the forrest Harry and Voldemorts sould was ripped from hes body. They ended up in limbo, the place harry tought resembled Kins cross. He finds Voldemorts soul fragment under a bench in the movie version. The reason Harry had the option to return to hes body and the earth life or move on to the afterlife was that Voldemort tederd Harry to earth as long as Voldemort lives (this is only the full boided voldemort as that is the body that Harrys blood runs in). Harry choes to return to life and at that point he leves the Crippled soul fragment behind in LIMBO. This is the part that you missed. Two souls left Harrys body and only one returned. Harrys body did not have to be destroyed for the Horocrux to die or break. The spell Voldemort used ripped hes own souls fragment away from it and it did not come. This is when Harry lost his ability to snake.
@matthewkalasky2891
@matthewkalasky2891 Жыл бұрын
7:40 I actually always thought that. I recall having read that when a Horcrux is destroyed, the soul it contains is, too, so there wouldn't be anything to pass on to the afterlife left.
@darkifall
@darkifall Жыл бұрын
yeah but Voldemorts soul fragment was like a parasite and without host he can't survive
@hunntermoffett3494
@hunntermoffett3494 Жыл бұрын
This is kind of like a twisted representation of the theme "You either die a hero, or live long enough to watch yourself become the villain." I'd actually love to see someone flesh this out in story form, could be cool!
@TheHighRiseElevatorLover
@TheHighRiseElevatorLover Жыл бұрын
I have a lot of trouble with this theory. One big issue is Harry’s soul. Voldemort was never able to control ans possess harry because of the purity of his soul andthe love contained within it. In his broken, shattered state, Voldemort’s soul could not withstand contact with harry’s, which is why he never tried to directly possess him ever again. I feel the soul fragment would have the same issue. Furthermore, it existed in Harry his entire life, and only grew in power and influence as Voldemort grew in power. Harry also never had and never would develop an emotional reliance or attachment to Voldemort the same way Jenny got attached to the diary in Chamber of Secrets. Thus, the soul fragment couldn’t feed on Harry the same way and couldn’t gain power from him. Then there’s the matter of soul fragments and horcruxes in general. When the magical container is rendered beyond magical repair, the soul fragment has nowhere to go. While Harry was tethered to life by his mother’s blood, Voldemort’s soul fragment was still effected by the killing curse, and would have been separated from Harry’s pure and undamaged soul. It also would not be able to be reattached to Voldemort’s soul without the latter’s remorse which would have ultimately destroyed him, rendering it irretrievable. I don’t agree with this theory. Also, in response to one comment about this being a better sequal than cursed child, yeah, almost anything would be, but having Voldemort be the villain again is like palpitine in rise of skywalker, cheap, disrespectful to the franchise as a whole, and rendering the sacrifices the heroes and others made ultimately meaningless.
@richewilson6394
@richewilson6394 Жыл бұрын
It's in the end of the deathly hallows that Harry doesn't feel the pain in his scar meaning that voldemort's connection is gone. Also Voldemort had not anticipated that somebody would find his horcruxes so he would not have been able to have a wild card or a secret inner soul fragments ready to go. When he was hit with avada Kadabra that Harry received it was just the impact of both souls being hit with the killing curse then put him into limbo. And that Voldemort hated the power of love that if he had been experiencing more love in this fragile state it probably would have still killed voldemort's soul fragment so there's no way it could do a possessive attack in the future.
@liamgasser8062
@liamgasser8062 Жыл бұрын
Avada Kedavra doesn't rip your soul out of your body. It rips the caster’s soul apart because they have violated human nature
@plotholedetective4166
@plotholedetective4166 Жыл бұрын
I never did understand why voldy didn't use the death of Snape to make an emergency horcrux and leave it in the shack or have it transported far away by someone like Bellatrix knowing that the other horcrux were captured or destroyed.
@TheOriginalCFA1979
@TheOriginalCFA1979 Жыл бұрын
So, the real world answer has been provided, and so I’ll give a couple in universe ones instead. 1) the ritual was too long/complicated/risky/exhausting to do in the middle of a Battle, it wouldn’t be ensuring survival but ensuring defeat. 2) mathematically speaking, which isn’t Rowling’s strong suit in her own words, every time Voldemort splits his soul it’s stated he splits it in half. So the first time he had 1/2 a soul, the second 1/4, the third 1/8, the fourth 1/16, the fifth 1/32, the sixth 1/64, and the seventh would leave him with 1/128th of a soul. Which would also mean Harry, the 6th Horcrux, would have twice as much of Voldemort’s soul as Voldemort. If Voldemort split his soul in half again, he’d be down to 1/256 of a soul. Which doesn’t sound healthy to me. It seems possible he’d already spread himself far too thin and realized another Horcrux would be or would likely be lethal. 3) Pride, hubris, and shortsightedness. Voldemort believed if he was the Master of the Elder Wand, as the most powerful Wizard to ever live, he would be unstoppable. He would only need one of his Horcruxes to prevent a natural death if he was the Master of the Elder Wand. He could even carry it around with him, it’s not like any body’s going to be able to take it from him while he has the Elder Wand in his possession, because he’s the most powerful Wizard with the most powerful wand. At the end of the Lord of the Rings, Sauron sends his entire army to confront Aragorn at the Black Gate, because Sauron knows Aragorn is a descendant of a great and powerful king, and doesn’t believe such a man could *ever* resist the power of His Ring. And so Sauron leaves the pass wide open for Frodo and Sam to slip through and destroy the One Ring, because Sauron also can’t perceive a reality in which any being could hold His Ring and not be completely taken in by the power it offers. Them destroying the Ring was impossible in his mind, nobody could resist the temptation of ultimate power, and the man who would use it against him just showed up with an army. Everything lead Sauron to believe the Ring was in Isildur’s Heir’s possession. Sauron throwing everything at that army and leaving Mount Doom unguarded was clearly a mistake, but it’s not a plot hole. Characters can make mistakes or be mistaken and make bad choices if the plot allows. I’m not sure what reason Rowling would give, but on the maths alone I’m fine with saying an 8th wouldn’t have been possible.
@nullspace9927
@nullspace9927 Жыл бұрын
It's absurd. Voldemort's soul is too damaged and broken to overpower a strong a whole soul like Harry's.
@acbennett7
@acbennett7 Жыл бұрын
As Ron would say "well, that was cheerful." Ha ha
@adityagoel5746
@adityagoel5746 Жыл бұрын
But harry wasn't able to speak parseltongue after the forbidden forest incident so no the theory isn't valid
@dianamarchione1265
@dianamarchione1265 Жыл бұрын
Harry couldn't speak Parsel tongue anymore after Voldemort died, so it's impossible for part of his soul to still be living inside of Harry
@alucard8433
@alucard8433 Жыл бұрын
I would not say "impossible" i would more say highly unlikely. Perhaps the piece of the soul became more sentient and just refused to share its powers with the host body. But to be fair Dumbledore even told Harry that the piece of Voldemorts soul was destroyed, as for if Dumbledore planted a piece of his soul inside Harry that is a different matter altogether. In Limbo Harry, Voldemorts soul, and Dumbledore. Why would he be there?
@neonrave876
@neonrave876 Жыл бұрын
i dont think this is the case, but what would be an interesting twist would be if something like this but voldies soul got transferred from harr to one of his sons or daughter, like from a movie standpoint if when we see the train pull away and Harry's son looking at him his eyes flash red for a moment or two and harry look shocked for a moment before the scene ends.
@David-cb1ct
@David-cb1ct 5 ай бұрын
Always felt in the book, the last couple of lines when he rubs his scar, the last line should have been "a sudden sharp pain". That way the option was always there to continue the story.
@howlin.wolf.murphy
@howlin.wolf.murphy Жыл бұрын
Also if the requirements for becoming a ghost is unfinished biz then why wasn’t he transformed into a ghost considering Harry having the most unfinished biz like ever lol ….. obviously based off the 3 places given for where a soul goes after death according to Potterverse
@kenziehurlock
@kenziehurlock Жыл бұрын
I can't help but wonder why Harry's horcrux wasn't destroyed when he was impaled by the basilisk. Maybe make a video explaining that.
@chromeshellking
@chromeshellking Жыл бұрын
Already answered, phoenix tears repaired the vessel being that he was a living horcrux.
@munchlaxfan1823
@munchlaxfan1823 Жыл бұрын
That’s interesting @Harry Potter Theory but I am going to stick to the written storline but still, Thanks for the good video!
@jmiller475
@jmiller475 Жыл бұрын
To actually create a horcrux requires some additional magic to intentionally affix the soul fragment to the host, voldamort never did that magic so the soul fragment with Harry existed but was not charged with the purpose of coming back to life, or to be evil as the actually horcruxi were
@stevenv9109
@stevenv9109 Жыл бұрын
Always found it interesting that the last line in the books was all WAS well. Felt it could just as easily imply something was wrong and the story wasn't over.
@baneblackguard584
@baneblackguard584 Жыл бұрын
I've always wondered how they can be sure those were all the horcruxes he made? there could be tons more.
@Larka661
@Larka661 Жыл бұрын
Personally I wanted to know why the simple killing curse could kill Harry's horcrux, but the rest had to be killed basically by basilisk venom?
@andydbedford
@andydbedford Жыл бұрын
Because it was in a living body, Voldemorts other horcuxes were made on purpose with very powerful charms protecting them, they had to be destroyed utterly in such a way they could not be but back together.
@patrickfurlong4276
@patrickfurlong4276 Жыл бұрын
@@andydbedford And also we know it's not easy for the good guys to cast AK.
@alucard8433
@alucard8433 Жыл бұрын
Think back to Dumbledores words to Snape, "When the time comes the boy must die, but it must be Voldemort that kills him". Im guessing the person who creates Horcruxes can destroy them without the use of special objects.
@ermerhgerd
@ermerhgerd Жыл бұрын
nah whats really disturbing is that Voldemort used the Resurrection Stone Deathly Hallow as a Horcrux... I cannot remember how it was destroyed as a Horcrux but it still somehow works as the Resurrection Stone (remember the Elder Wand a Deathly Hallow was properly destroyed in the end)- so if Voldemort placed a piece of his soul in it and then someone wanted to "bring him back" it would....?!
@MrSenses33
@MrSenses33 Жыл бұрын
I believe the spell was only put on the actual "ring", and not the stone on it. It is not explained at all, even when the title litterly is "deathly hallows", maybe it is in the books. But as the stone didn't originally come on a ring, it's my guess at least.
@azerdraco3146
@azerdraco3146 Жыл бұрын
@@MrSenses33 Correct. Remember that the vessels were all destroyed. And while the stone WAS cracked, it still functioned.
@ermerhgerd
@ermerhgerd Жыл бұрын
@@MrSenses33 that's fair
@JasonSmith-fr2jy
@JasonSmith-fr2jy Жыл бұрын
So if, and I mean IF, this holds any real weight then is it possible that voldemort's soul transferred to Albus Severus Potter, explaining why he was in slytherin?
@SuperMitchells1
@SuperMitchells1 Жыл бұрын
I think Harry being sent to limbo after the killing curse was done as a way of disentangling the part of Voldemort’s soul that was attached to Harry that way Harry can go back without an issue but there may simply have been the option available to him since he was there, the option for answers and the option to be reunited with his family however I think it was always expected of him to go back.
@SuperMitchells1
@SuperMitchells1 Жыл бұрын
As entertaining as the idea is that Harry becomes the means for Voldemort to come back is I find it equally unlikely. Harry has grown up filled with the love of family it’s quite possible that the piece of Voldemort attached to Harry was able to survive due to his life with the Dursleys, now that Harry is with a loving family full of love I can picture the soul fragment withering away quietly unable to feed due to the now positive environment Harry lives in.
@grandmyotismon
@grandmyotismon Жыл бұрын
Issue is that we know now with nagini that a dead vessel is no longer able to hold a horceux soul piece. When he hit Harry with the killing curse he killed Harry and killed the horcux by destroying the vessels capacity to carry it, ie. It needs to be alive.
@awb07d
@awb07d Жыл бұрын
If true the Tom is also a shade roaming the earth (2 pieces of soul remain one is Harry and the one tied by the horcrux in Harry)
@ziausmani8410
@ziausmani8410 Жыл бұрын
It does seem far-fetched. The killing curse killed Voldemort's piece inside Harry and the same piece was at King's Cross i.e. this is where it went after death. There are many parallels between LOTR and HP and it is said that Saruman went to a place from where he could never return or affect fate when he is killed in the end. The same thing happened to Voldemort.
@zekun4741
@zekun4741 Жыл бұрын
Sauron?
@ziausmani8410
@ziausmani8410 Жыл бұрын
@@zekun4741 In a way both Sauron and Saruman. This is what I found regarding Saruman: In LOTR, it is said that when Saruman was killed, a “grey mist” appeared, rising slowly and looking to the West, when a wind from the West blew and dissolved the mist. From this we can assume that Saruman’s spirit attempted to return to Valinor, which, after all, was its home, but was denied, due to his failure in his mission. We can further assume that Saruman’s fea was diminished and no longer had the ability to form a body, greatly decreasing his ability to influence the Visible World. My guess is that Saruman’s spirit, like Sauron’s, was left naked in the world, diminished to the point of existing but unable to interact in any significant way.
@canoli62
@canoli62 Жыл бұрын
I think a much better theory is that there is another Horcrux. Voldemort was obsessed with making 7 Horcruxes. Why didn't he then? He never knew Harry was a Horcrux, so that only leave 6 others. This makes no sense. He had years to do it when he was ruling (in the old days) and even had plenty of time his second go round. If I were to conclude he survived, it would be with another Horcrux - as yet unrevealed.
@PauloArais
@PauloArais Жыл бұрын
Harry couldn't talk with snakes at the end, which means that a piece of Voldemort's soul is not inside of him anymore. His scar doesn't hurt anymore. There's another problem with this theory, if Avada Kedavra rips the soul from the victim, then Voldemort's would be ripped too alongside Harry's. Given that Voldemort's soul inside Harry isn't destroyed, this may mean his soul is trapped on limbo forever, unable to move to afterlife or come back as a ghost. If his soul is on limbo, the only way back as a corporeal existence is somehow to cheat death with magic to pull that piece again to the living world inside a being, and no one is known to have such ability.
@kuzan421
@kuzan421 Жыл бұрын
the 1st time i was watching the limbo scene. i thought the reason harry was given the option to continue living or die was because he was a horcrux. and choosing to live meant voldemort could eventually come back like he did at the beginning of the series. and i thought he was gonna choose to die to make sure voldemort stayed dead
@iowaredneck9416
@iowaredneck9416 Жыл бұрын
The childish piece of soul Harry finds in limbo was what remained of Tom. It was because of Lily’s loving sacrifice that lived in Harry’s blood. The same blood that Tom used to rebuild his body. When Tom killed Harry, it caused the soul to be ripped from the body. My theory is that there is a link between the killing curse and magical blood. This meant that when Tom killed Harry the Horcrux within Harry was destroyed, but it also meant that the remaining piece of Toms soul as well as Harry’s entire soul were cast into limbo. Harry only had the choice to move on or go back because the Horcrux within him was killed, but he himself had not been. His soul was just forced out of his body. While I’m Limbo, this meant Harry was able to move, talk, and think as normal, but because of how damaged Toms soul was, he was in a sort of paralysis while in limbo. At this point, if Harry had chosen to move on, he could have freely, but the piece of Toms soul that had been bound to his new body would have been paralyzed in limbo forever. Harry would have been dead and the only piece of Tom still in the mortal realm would have been attached to Nagini.
@jkrause365
@jkrause365 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'd agree it's a bit farfetched in its complexity. It makes more sense to me to assume that the creature resembling a baby which Harry finds is a soul fragment formerly belonging to Voldemort, perhaps the soul fragment detached from Harry as Harry was the living horcrux Voldemort never intended to create.
@roblevargas6669
@roblevargas6669 Жыл бұрын
Voldemort's soul that was in Harry doesn't travel to the afterlife or anywhere else because it was destroyed, it's simple as that, they explained it. This is how horcruxes work, they say in the books that when your body dies your soul is still intact, but with horcruxes it works the other way around, and the piece of soul depends on the vessel to exist.
@adoskonig
@adoskonig Жыл бұрын
Even though the baby like creature in Limbo was soul of Voldemort, still.. the fragment of the soul in Harry was destroyed when Voldemort cast Avada Kedavra. Although, I wonder, if the baby-like creature represents Voldemorts soul, as he also fell unconscious and ended in Limbo, how did HE came back into his body? Surely he wasn´t able to choose to return? How did Voldemort came back from limbo in forest?
@garengatorlope1004
@garengatorlope1004 Жыл бұрын
Remember they are tied together still by Harry's blood so as long as one lives the other will
@adoskonig
@adoskonig Жыл бұрын
@@garengatorlope1004 so even after final battle Voldemort didn't?
@treywxld949
@treywxld949 Жыл бұрын
The last theory is so crazy because if you guys remembered deathly hollows pt 2 in purgatory harry said “is this actually real or all in my head” dumbledore responded of “of course it’s happening in your head but it doesn’t mean it’s not real”
@danielrhouck
@danielrhouck Жыл бұрын
5:10 You canʼt, in Harry Potter lore, kill someone “by magically ripping the soul from the body”. If thatʼs all the curse did, it would leave soulless but living people behind, like the Kiss.
@grec.
@grec. Жыл бұрын
This makes sense. I would like it but not onto harry but being able to ghost around until finding a new Quirell.
@ankurjain7270
@ankurjain7270 Жыл бұрын
I have an argument against this. Firstly Avada kedavra doesn't rip your soul out it moreover destroys it. So when harry is hit with Avada kedavra he still has love protecting him which is why he has the option to return. On the other hand, Voldemort did not understand love which is why love did not protect him from Avada kedavra hence killing that part of his soul.
@ayiza8511
@ayiza8511 Жыл бұрын
This theory is immediately drawing Palpetine comparisons to me "Somehow Palpetine returned" Voldemorts story is done tied up in a neat bow we saw the second wizarding war we heard of the first and its end. We saw part of his past and childhood (orphanage, Hogwarts years and all) there are no more depths to plumb here
@prongs8364
@prongs8364 Жыл бұрын
A food for thought How come everyone in wizading world follow quidditch and so passionate about it when they cannot watch it like we follow sports on tv?
@OrangeGeemer
@OrangeGeemer 2 ай бұрын
Voldemort is not death at the end, is much worst than that. His fragmented soul has been destroyed one by one, meaning that, after the last fragment, he stopped existing.
@dylanaarts6043
@dylanaarts6043 Жыл бұрын
The part of voldemort in Harry wasn't protected by Lilly's act of love. So it wasn't in limbo but sent directly into the afterlife.
@user-cx7kg6ok9b
@user-cx7kg6ok9b 7 ай бұрын
Yes, the killing curse. Assuming you are correct and it rips the soul from the body, remember that Harry had two souls in his body. His own and the scrap of Voldemorts that made him a horcrux. Voldemort's curse ripped his own soul from Harry's body, thus leaving Harry's still in his body. He may, physically, have been simply unconscious until he made the choice to go on, at which point his body woud have died. At least that is one possible explanation. There is, however, one thing you missed. Although not directly in had at the moment, Harry was, in fact, the legitimate owner of all 3 Deathly Hollows. The cloak was back at Hogwart's, the resurrection stone was in the forbidden forest and Voldemort held the elder wand, but Harry was the legitimate owner of all three thus, according to the legend, the "Master of Death itself". That's, utimate, why he lived.
@elliottvaughn700
@elliottvaughn700 Жыл бұрын
Dumbledore had a (or more?) horcrux when he DID kill his sister. The others on the scene didn't recognize the magic at the time.
@sol_mental
@sol_mental Жыл бұрын
Quite honestly I don't think it makes a difference wether the voldie inside Harry lived or died, Harry was never affected by it and never let it get control of him, nor by any other horcruxes like many did. Maybe when the Voldie with a body insisted in exploring that unknown link, but remember: he had to force his mind into Harry's mind, but that horcrux couldn't do much of anything if not being only a bridge. There were never any signs of activity from the horcrux and it should remain that way until Harry is killed or die of age or something else, when the body won't be able to bind no more souls and therefore the voldie inside would also be dead.
@Alex.2319
@Alex.2319 Жыл бұрын
I could see a headline for new darker Harry Potter trilogy coming out with Daniel Radcliffe playing a Voldemort possessed Harry as the main villain
@rafael2212
@rafael2212 10 ай бұрын
He no longer had Voldy's powers when he comes back from the limbo scenario. No talking to snakes, no voices in his head. So Voldy, indeed, was defeated.
@PraiseIshidAnfarded
@PraiseIshidAnfarded Жыл бұрын
Okay, so in the movies, Tom breaks into a billion pieces and blows away in the wind as if he were dust. Usually, I would say the book had everything down perfectly, but this part, with Voldemort's death, that's where my opinion changes a bit. So, lets look at the evidence as to why Tom's body would turn to dust. Aside from the Horcrux issues, let's focus on Toms body as it stands. It's not his original body. So, once the spark of life was taken away from the magical shell that was Tom's incarnation, there was nothing left to keep that body together. It was as if, the spell had lifted. Now, I have a great deal of issues with the movies, all of them in fact, but this specific part, I don't know, it works.
@oliverjackson5070
@oliverjackson5070 Жыл бұрын
I always understood the Kings Cross scene as: The part of Voldemorts Soul that lived inside of Harry is the mangled, fleshy baby creature & that when Harry chooses to return to the mortal world he leaves behind any "Baggage" for the Limbo-State-Station to take care of.....unworthy of a true death & so stuck in-between, which is a fate worse than death. However, I love the open-ended nature of this theory & the one below about Dumbledore also using Harry to ground himself to the mortal world. I wouldn't be surprised if J.K.Rowling has been secretly writing that next phase of books to include the third wizarding war with Voldemort vs Dumbledore II & just waiting 'til they're all done before dropping it on us all of a sudden :P :P
@Mukation
@Mukation Жыл бұрын
Wasn't Harry just made into an unintended Horcrux when he got his Scar back as an infant? That's why he was a parceltounge? He didn't get a piece of Voldemort in the 4th book, Voldemort gained a piece of Harry. And well it's possible that a living horcrux, that is struck by Avada Kedavra will destroy the Horcrux and give the living being the option to return just "because". Nagini was killed with the Gryffidor sword, that had absorded the basilisk venom (which kills Horcruxes). It's possible that Nagini could have survived had someone shot Avada Kedavra at her.
@Rachel-xg7hs
@Rachel-xg7hs Жыл бұрын
I see what you’re saying here. But-Voldemort split his soul seven times, meaning there were eight total pieces. If you take a whole loaf of bread, and slice seven times with a knife, you have eight slices of bread. Seven slices of Voldemort’s soul were inside of the horcruxes he made, and the eighth was still inside him. Horcruxes are the opposite of how our souls work in our bodies (just like Hermione explains in the book). If you get run through with a sword, your soul will be fine and move on, while your body dies. If a horcrux is destroyed, the piece of soul attached to it cannot move on. It is also destroyed, like its “body” was. If the Killing Curse rips the soul from the body, the body dies. The body may not be broken or ripped apart, but you must have a soul to live. So if Harry’s soul was ripped from his body, and his body died because his soul was no longer within, then the piece of Voldemort’s soul attached to it was also killed with the body. What Harry sees at King’s Cross is the eighth piece of Voldemort’s soul, all that’s left of the original. Then later when Voldemort is killed because his weak body can’t withstand the fight, his remaining fragment of soul moves on (I assume…any afterlife he may have probably doesn’t look too great lol). That means there’s nothing left behind to attach itself to Harry. The seven pieces Voldemort sliced off of his soul to make his horcruxes were destroyed with the items they were housed in. The eighth remaining piece, the original, moved on when his body gave out. Nothing left. Harry is just Harry. Now here’s the only problem with this-when someone casts a Killing Curse, the other person may have their soul ripped from their body, and their body stops working. It dies. That’s, of course, why it’s called the Killing Curse. But then…how do Dementors suck the soul out of someone (Dementor’s Kiss) and that person continues living? That’s very confusing. Maybe it’s not literally the soul a Dementor sucks out, but simply all the person’s ability to experience emotion. Don’t know. Maybe that’s actually a plot hole in the series.
@HeatherNickless-vt8zr
@HeatherNickless-vt8zr Жыл бұрын
That creature we see in Harry Potter is just part of what it means: A lot of it happening was just in Harry Potter's Head; Neville really was supposed to be the chosen one; Voldemort chose the wrong boy.
@Goodiesfanful
@Goodiesfanful 8 ай бұрын
Intriguing theory, but I think the piece of Voldy in Harry is dead and gone. Harry lost his ability to speak Parseltongue, which the soul fragment gave him. Maybe if Voldemort had gone for another Horcrux once he realised his current ones were being destroyed could he return. Or if someone tried to resurrect him. You can’t bring back the dead per se with magic, but maybe you could do something along those lines.
@Staineless84
@Staineless84 6 ай бұрын
An absurd theory really, considering the avada kadavra cast at Harry in the forbidden forest was stated to have killed the piece of Voldemort's soul within Harry. That would make the most sense too, since that part of the soul was obliterated and therefore not in Limbo.
@aleksandran3978
@aleksandran3978 Жыл бұрын
Well, if I remember in last chapter of seventh book there was a statement that Harry's scar has never hurt or even prickle again. I think that's valid point, which can make this theory less believable
@ahhhhhhhhh1718
@ahhhhhhhhh1718 Жыл бұрын
Even if voldemorts soul is so fractured he cant really do anything at this point
@EricasTouch
@EricasTouch Жыл бұрын
I wonder if that piece of Voldemort’s soul never left Harry due to the fact that the book says his scar has not hurt in 19 years by the time the epilogue was written. The AK curse may have destroyed that part of the soul but the book never said it left Harry’s body.
@EricasTouch
@EricasTouch Жыл бұрын
I also don’t know what happened to the pieces of soul that were in the ring, cup, diadem, Harry, and the snake. I don’t remember reading if the soul ever left those objects. It screamed when the diary and locket were destroyed and it left Quirrell’s body when he died (at least in the movie it could be seen leaving Quirrell).
@Altercepez
@Altercepez Жыл бұрын
or he can just latch his fragment soul to every Harry descendant and wait patienly when perfect host and perfect time to arise, maybe in modern world where the wizarding world influence are diminished and generally people dont believe in magic
@opalodino1
@opalodino1 Жыл бұрын
Harry's son became a Slytherin. So I won't be surprised how Voldemorts influence still remain dude was raised by two gryphondors born from families who were both predominantly gryphondors where . Did he get Slytherin influence if not from his father who had Slytherin influence from Voldemort
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