This Developer BANNED me on Steam...

Task Force is releasing this month, and alongside an updated store page comes a new set of concerns. Let's talk about it.
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[@jrgamer1243]

Haha make a socom mod for thunder tier one. Add 3rd person and leaning than you are good to go lmao

[@TabiTheCat]

These devs just really want to batter their heads into the dirt at this point holy crap. Never thought anyone would sink this low though. No professionalism at all.

[@kloa4219]

fans are deeply passionate about the stuff they make so it is no surprise that they last out like that

[@degoose2447]

Bigfry have you looked at a game called Battlebit Remastered?

[@shperax]

H-hour has got much better since launch. It's gone from horrible to decent. H-hour has all the popular Socom maps also. I wouldn't of made such a big deal over possibly stealing maps. Its kinda like you saying "No I don't want Socom maps in this Socom like game". Real Socom fans don't give a F how they add in Socom maps as long as they do one way or another. Sony has clearly abandoned Socom fans. Bash on them instead of TI possibly stealing maps. Who the hell cares at this point. I think it's going too far to ban you, but it happened.

[@Razer5542]

Banning players on steam because they had a opinion that the dev not liked is beyond a scumbag move..

[@Ozzianman]

Ban does literally nothing in this case. He can just use an alt account.

[@CorndogCrusader]

I know people abuse this word, but it's actual fascistic behaviour.

[@liquid_oxygen]

@@CorndogCrusader finally, a correct use of the term to describe anything other than a stone toss fan.

[@Thorhallx]

@@Ozzianman that's not the point lol

[@TheHandgunhero]

@@Ozzianman Except that requires you to repurchase the game.

[@imnoblueberry8502]

That store page is the top example of how NOT to market your game😂

[@OnBrandRP]

For real.. like I can mildly appreciate the honesty about it but ffs.. if you're gonna go through all the legal trouble of scamming people just oversell your game and scam them instead of telling them you're gonna scam them lol

[@alkestos]

It literally sounds like they want it to fail and die.

[@domflorysty5662]

Yeah, also there is no marketing for this game. How tf can you not say a single thing for years and then all of the sudden send out an email that the game is coming out this month. There is no hype for this game. Barely any info on the development. Most people probably thought this is another failed project and forgot about it.

[@nickkozinski4519]

@@domflorysty5662 there was tons of announcements for betas n stuff

[@HalfAsleepSam]

I would absolutely market a game like this

[@EggietoAPerez]

The dude behind Taskforce has been known by the SOCOM community to be out of his mind insane. He came up with a brilliant mod for original Insurgency and then just took it offline one day without a word to the community. The community involvement part of this video is not even a joke. The dude means literally every word.

[@alkestos]

I don’t even doubt his honesty here. So I’m not gonna buy the game.

[@thejayman1886]

I remember something like this... Can't remember what the mod was called.... ? What a scumbag developer.

[@kyledakilla8724]

I spoke with him in game while playing Insurgency one night years ago and he sounded like a know it all. Like oh how dare you ask me that question!

[@123sleepygamer]

I do remember seeing something like a third person or SOCOM mod

[@kabardino1337]

@@kyledakilla8724 i met a gamedev like that once. Ppl like that are the worst

[@holysmoke7887]

gonna have to report this game for not following early access steam rules

[@godlynewbie]

as emperor palpatine once told anakin: insert evil voice here: DO IT!!!!

[@TorQueMoD]

@@afd19850 I reported them. Fuck these guys if they want to rip content from other games. Doesn't matter if it's the same person who created the maps even. He doesn't own the rights to them. Also the whole using Early Access to fund the game thing is crazy.

[@biffski01]

So they want to grab our cash and then flip store bought assets and call it a game. You are so right to call these bottom feeders out for what they are.

[@kaseybuchanan3269]

100% correct

[@MsFelinaFox]

And the funny thing about those assets. I'm pretty sure a majority of them are either placeholders for aspiring developers. More importantly, I think a lot of them are meant to be used as film props, on account of the fact that visual artists use game engines for film and TV nowadays.

[@deralbtraumritter8573]

Games like Ready Or Not, Zero Hour have done more with less. GTFO took awhile but is a solid experience. Even EFT and Marauders seem good. Heck, CROWZ and WW3 are better than this...

[@TTrigg]

@@MsFelinaFox I actually have a few of those myself...

[@deralbtraumritter8573]

@@MsFelinaFox 100%

[@kpsmith4241]

I donated, they took my money and never gave me a tester key. He said "based on your name you are a troll" What the fuck is that?

[@captaindonut9243]

Im guessing you're not getting any refund?

[@brentsheltz6473]

Oh I would contest it with whatever means I have to get my money back

[@IslamistSocialist371]

gawd damn wtf

[@lenol0315]

do a credit card chargeback

[@kpsmith4241]

​@@fuafielded It was for an early access key, you HAD to 'donate' to get one. Thats essentially a purchase.

[@dustin9524]

Yo bigfry, thx for keeping us updated on things like this man. Appreciate all the work you put into this.

[@yamammaatrick]

They banned me too after they randomly re-appeared after a 2 year hiatus asking for MORE money for development. I told them they were fucking crazy for asking for money for a game that they had abandoned for 2 years with NO word at all to the community about wtf was going on. Guys are a joke, hopefully the game is good though.

[@TrevorFosterTheFosterDojo]

who cares right. even if it was... would or could you play it after this experience?

[@clappeddd]

That store page making me go from “if it was free I’d give it a go” to “you literally couldn’t pay me to play this” is really impressive..

[@AbelGreen87]

All the feedback that you have given here is 110% correct BigFry. You and I both know personally we have been in the trenches with the development of Task Force. And the BS that we have seen in this game's development you can make a movie on. And to see how they advertise this game and talk down on community is beyond me. The person typing out this info on the steam page honestly sounds bitter and needs a hug. Great video as always buddy have a great evening. 💚

[@tubewatcher5012]

He can hug these cheeks with his lips, I 100% ain't gonna buy his shitty game and will sleep very well knowing I was part of the reason he'll never reach his "dream" that seems to be more of a current nightmare.

[@wildrelicproductions4879]

Holy shit it's Able Green!!! He's alive!

[@TrevorFosterTheFosterDojo]

Abel speaking that good good ;)

[@KimJongBeIllinDaily]

Their Steam description was the “If we joke about how unfinished and bad it is, it’ll endear us to the public” attempt. Whenever I see somebody attempting that, I just groan and ignore the project.

[@ram89572]

I'd say it was worse than that. They were doing that but also adding in the arrogance that they think they deserve getting your money regardless of what the final product looks like because ultimately they only think of you as their personal money printer and if you aren't printing that money for them then fuck you.

[@A_Stereotypical_Heretic]

I don't think this was a joke.

[@AWildCooki]

Just a reminder that a steam game ban is still a big issue. After a game ban you can no longer upvote reviews for games, or vote on community content (like skins for CSGO)

[@TheKillboy1000]

I would recommend reporting the steam store page for fraud.

[@TrialMacameau]

More like Legal Violation is more appropriate because they are violating the EA ToS.

[@BoredPodcaster]

Apparently they have zero self-awareness whatsoever, because they're already blaming other people for a failure yet to occur. The irony is, that store page, those things they've put out there for people to see, and apparently banning people critical of shady tactics - THAT is what is going to cause them to fail, because they are not going to sell a product to people when they're treating their would-be customers like crap, and blaming them for things they haven't even done. If they spent as much time developing their game, and actually crowdfunding it, as they do complaining about public criticism, they'd have more to show than locked content and a rant-laden store page.

[@mrredisa.d.d.8566]

Their responses to the questions [on their store page] read like a MadTV parody skit. If this wasn't real, I'd think it's hilarious. This is crazy how unhinged & unprofessional they are (and upfront about it lol)

[@xenozombie6200]

Looks like a pretty clear abuse of Steam's game ban policy.

[@robertmartin5781]

Don’t be too upset about your age, Fry. Plenty of us are now feeling the same thing. With gaming only becoming truly “mainstream” around ~20 years ago (I personally view GTA3 as the game that moved it beyond that marker) and the games of that early 2000s era targeting those who were teens at the time, those of us who are now in our mid-30s comprise that huge demographic of gamers that were there at the forefront of modern gaming. (And I can’t believe PS2/OG Xbox are considered “retro” now, that’s… disgusting) 😆

[@daddyjoe600]

Sneed.

[@Swordman1111]

mate, even Xbox 360 and PS3 are considered retro now

[@ram89572]

Well consider this - A car from 1997 can get a license plate that says antique vehicle on it. All it needs to be to qualify for that type of vanity plate (at least in my state) is to be 25 years old. Those consoles ain't that far off from it themselves with the PS2 coming in at 22 years old.

[@dopesickdog]

i'm in my early 20s so can't relate, but my PS2 was a huge part of my life for a long, long time... mind-boggling that it's over 20 FREAKING YEARS OLD

[@HangOnThereSlick]

I feel like this should be a huge problem with Valve giving these scummy devs this much power

[@ganjatheninja]

we are getting old but at least we know what the best years of gaming was like

[@PhantomGardener]

People need to stop calling themselves old, when they are not even close to being old. It is so frustrating. How "old" is he? Like 30? That is nothing

[@CountlessPWNZ]

@@PhantomGardener what are you? 31? no need to worry about being old, dude.

[@BeefFries]

How is this even allowed on steam in the first place?? How the actual hell did this not get flagged immediately. Good God this is embarrassing

[@_7-7-7_]

Socom was one of them games where I was barley old enough to know what I was doing. I think it was socom 1 where you had to meet some guy in some ruins then the next level you were on a ship in the ocean. Didn’t even know what I was doing but it really had an influence into what genre I would end up sticking with the rest of my life. Im only 20 so you can probably imagine my young 4 year old dumbass with no memory card only playing the first 3 levels over and over again daily🤣 I only Barely remember it. This video opened up a whole can of nostalgia and I rly appreciate it bro!

[@TheNotoriousNemo]

I was probably 10yrs old on socom2, I couldn't figure out how to get past the second level, I legitimately thought the 2nd level was the final level I couldn't beat it lol.

[@_7-7-7_]

@@TheNotoriousNemo that must of been it bro the ship mission? I could never get past it my self I just used to pretend that the ship was my base and used to just chill🤣🤣🤣👌🏽

[@White20445]

SOCOM was my first ever shooter game when I was young (I was born 1992). I remember connecting my PS2 to the internet for the first time and playing PVP for the first time

[@15Bravo]

If you are a socom multiplayer OG, then you will know these phrases, "rush the donut room", "sniping the buttcrack" lol

[@AH-ex6rb]

​@ChuckNasty I remember a dude back in Socom 2 whose tag was "M67 + PMN Mines" dude fuckin OWNED on Foxhunt and Desert Glory

[@pliniomourao]

Why not go on Steam and report their early access game that goes against the term of services of it regarding the description they put? @BigFryTV even implied that they are not allow to use early access for that purpose.

[@SOCOMJOHN]

classic. the task force hole dug even deeper by the developers.

[@millionare5446]

that store page sounds like it was written by a child

[@BlindxSide]

Oh, it was. An egotistical child.

[@Real_Mick3y6]

Apparently they never heard the phrase "Some thoughts should stay thoughts."

[@ChaosBahamut]

"The next time you have a thought, let it go." XD

[@Real_Mick3y6]

@@ChaosBahamut Or that

[@AlphaZeroOmega]

Holy shit! I haven't laughed this hard all day! Thanks for speaking out about dodgy devs who are ruining the indie game dev industry. I'm starting out as a game dev myself and guys like these need to be called out! Praise for the ones doing it right, and shame for the rest.

[@DubChampion]

Man i loved SOCOM back in the day, these devs are trying to ruin the good name of SOCOM.

[@paradoxinraindrops141]

Bigfry, I've been following you for quite some time. Every once in awhile, it feels like a project comes along where I think to myself; "THIS has to be the THE project that embodies everything wrong with indie Early Access development". And I gotta say: these developers have set the bar as high (er, well low) as humanly possible not just for Early Access but just common sense PR. It's like this blog post was written by an 18 year old doomer who took an online course on PR and then just threw out the book after a heated night in the community Discord. "We have no desire to involve anyone in anything. Just leave the hell alone so the job of making video games is actually fun" is just a terrible mindset. The second you go public; your game and your studios practices are open to criticism. This goes doubly so when you start charging people money especially when you're arbitrarily banning people for no reason. Yes, you can't please all the people all the time but a multiplayer game needs a community and a game studio needs support to maintain development & pay its developers (and contractors who you spoke about hiring). It feels like this studio was being so fatalistic about the state of independent games development, they didn't take the time to learn from the mistakes of other fallen studios let alone get a clue from their community. I've never played SOCOM but its fans can get a spiritual successor with or without Task Force. Its up to the developers if they want to be apart of the community when that day comes as an ally or as a scornful memory of those who they wronged with their practices as a studio.

[@irdmoose]

Calling Task Force a steaming pile of canine feces would be a grave insult to steaming piles of canine feces. Thanks for keeping us updated on this crap and the crap that crap developers pull.

[@Philnemba]

This developer appears to have ZERO confidence in their own game ☠

[@DruuzilTechGames]

Maybe these guys should get real jobs and use part of their income to fund development themselves instead of screeching at would-be customers on Steam about how those potential customers "owe it to them to fund their dream".

[@OlEgSaS32]

seriously, the utter f cking gall of these people "if you dont buy our half assed game that we *chose* to put out in a half assed state and try to promise to make it better BUT ONLY IF PEOPLE BUY IT, cuz we broke as f ck, its YOUR fault the game is half assed" like just...hand over your game dev cards, they dont deserve them...actually no, even thats too generous for them, they're not allowed to be anywhere with a 10 mile radius of a game dev card or anyone in possession of one

[@iTomBass]

That steam description for the Early Access section might be one of the worst I have ever heard lmao.

[@deltacx1059]

1. You can have workshop work with dedicated servers before release, space engineers is one example that did before release. 2. Its a simple shooter so it's not a hard thing to make. If it is a passion project than you can absolutely do it without much money at all. Unity actually has templates for all the basic crap although i can't speak for unreal because all my experience is with unity.

[@DaedalusRaistlin]

"It might stay in Early Access hell forever", or in other words, "we won't care after we've got your money."

[@NF0RCED]

You could probably just report them to steam and get the game removed before it's technically released

[@Science1677]

I saw this, went on steam to their forums, said the game looks like an asset flip and I was permanently banned within an hour, lol

[@ZachNovak]

All this Socom talk got me a bit teary man...

[@SullySadface]

0:20 Didnt realize any of that except the last bit

[@chief_exe]

It feels like a Valve employee interviewed the creator on discord and the dude had no idea he was taking notes and making that their store page description. Like seriously you don't need to be a market expert to see how horrible that game description is. It's quite literally something you'd see on a free-mod page.

[@BeardifulBill]

Their store page reminds me of the radio and TV ads in Grand Theft Auto V. 'I'm Jock Cranley, Vote for me. Those other politicians, don't give a fuck about you. I don't either, but at least i'm honest about it. So vote for me. At least you know what you're voting for.' That steam page could easily fit perfectly in the GTA Universe as a satirical view of indie game development.

[@Somtaaw7]

Their entire early access statement is essentially "Buy this game on its promise but dont bother us about feedback."

[@dopesickdog]

"Great selling point! What the fuck?" absolutely KILLED me lmfao, thanks for that.

[@DueRag]

H-Hour devs randomly gave me a key and it was... eh...

[@GhostrifterOfficial]

It's like they don't want anyone to actually play/buy their game, because they certainly market it as a joke

[@PhantomGardener]

After watching this video I went on their steam forum and voiced my opinion/concern, and got permanently banned.

[@Raptor279e]

Same here I was ban within 24 hours with no reason stated why I was banned dudes are obviously butt hurt

[@duelstream.]

The later portion of the store page reminds me of those satirically rude restaurants. 😄 🤣

[@Cyrus_Nagisa]

damn new record, I was banned by them in less then 30 seconds after posting your video as a response to someone who did not get their access key way back from 2020 lol

[@Braunschweiger89]

I had literal thousands of hours played in socom series on PS2. At one point even ranked top 100. It’s all I played. Fun times. I’ve nowhere near pinnacled that high on any other game.

[@jessedavis8310]

One of my early online gaming memories was playing socom 2 and doing ninja jumping to get to funny places and my friend teaching me how to make a lag switch and showing me how it works, I had never seen that side of gaming before and it was wild to me

[@JCglitchmaster]

"Just think how shitty you'd feel about yourself if you did that to us". Well considering they have openly shit talked any and all potential future customers before they are even a customer, I would say not a single person would give a rats arse toss about not funding this. Maybe if they wanted people to have a smidge of sympathy, they shouldn't openly berate them before begging for money.

[@ram89572]

You misunderstand. They aren't begging for money. They are demanding that you give them the money they clearly deserve to take from you because of who they think they are. They are basically the game dev version of Ana Kasparian.

[@Spillskillz]

Report the Store page on steam for breaking early access tos

[@cooperjohnson5625]

When you turned around and asked “where have you been”😂😂

[@hudson8954]

Kind of a flex to have a game ban just because you made a dev mad

[@apfelnudel]

Cant wait to play and cover your upcoming games, especially a possible Socom like Game in the Future! Keep the Work💪

[@peestain3756]

as hard as it can be to hold back on announcing a game when you are developing it always hold back on teasing or announcing a damn thing about it until you know your developing it for the long run & you know its gonna come out at some point dont just announce a pipe dream that you are working on or you may end up in a mess like this

[@ThatConfused1]

Oh cannot wait to see what will happen if Sony and Valve legal is made aware of this level of antics from those idiots in that development team.

[@tacoenvy]

What the hell was that rocket launch at 0:17 LOL. Anyone else see that?

[@limitbreak2966]

Jeeeessuuusss chriiiist. This isn’t honestly or even brutal honesty, it’s literally just pure fucking arrogance.

[@Real_Mick3y6]

The biggest red flag of a giant narcissist I've ever seen. Wow, he tries to gaslight the community while also saying the game is utter crap.

[@azrealIPM]

“If you think you can do it better go ahead” you know what I might fucking do it lmao

[@Blackedecho12]

They don’t know they could sell merchandise or even Micro transactions

[@aurarookie2293]

I didn't even know it was possible to ban someone from a single specific game on steam. Never seen it happen before

[@S0RR0WSPELL]

I don't know if I've seen anything more sad in my life. Rip SOCOM

[@me-A2B]

Many of them did that nowadays, they even take their time to ban ordinary users(not even an influencer) who just voicing their negative opinion in the discussion board. Then whine they have so little time developing the game while busy reading and banning people who posted negative feedbacks, then proceed to make a thesis explaining that the player is so toxic... smh.

[@mightasWill]

Still remember screwing in the network adaptor on my PS2 with a quarter and going online on Socom for the first time.

[@SNOwyte]

Thats lit my anniversary is the same anniversary of one of my favorite games growing up

[@TeriiTeri]

I see steam's quality assurance has not improved since the whole Digital Homicide debacle!

[@W4V3RN]

The whole marketing scheme is that they have a small budget, the fact that they mention it so many times is pathetic trying to garner sympathy so they can make some quick profit for the work they’ve done so far. I won’t discredit the work they’ve done or act like making a game is easy and doesn’t require funds but the attitude being exhibited is such a defeated tone rather than uplifting and giving hope for the game’s future.

[@Revadike]

I just got banned myself for asking to participate in the beta.... HELP

[@ARMYguy01]

I really hope to see a good SOCOM game at some point.

[@VAL3NTIN3]

As long as kids are eating up the shit warzone is giving out. It won't happen. And especially now since Extraction games are becoming a big thing

[@ARMYguy01]

@@VAL3NTIN3 unfortunately I agree, but if it was made, most of the player base would be us, and not so much the younger generation IMO. But either way I preferred SOCOM as the campaign anyway. I liked telling my teammates where to go and how to approach, and have them listen. That was great.

[@prinzezzqtpi5437]

That Steam page read like a letter of intent to take the money and run, with a bunch of excuses for why they think that's okay. Holy hell.

[@rattymenace]

"Just leave us the hell alone" I wasn't looking at the screen as you read that and thought it was commentary... Jeez, how could devs even think putting this in the store page would be a good idea

[@justmaxcomeback6560]

this game is how I found your channel years ago

[@maple5714]

SOCOM 3 was my childhood game man, i'd come home from school and play that for hours, but never beat the game because i was a kid and had no idea what I was doing

[@duallreaper8472]

I see a potential law suit happening

[@michaelwilson8461]

With Redlines history, I'm assuming that with the first negative review on steam, the game, the servers and him all disappear back to his moms basement to pout and ponder why nobody on the planet appreciates his genius.

[@garrolmace]

Hey bigfry✌️ just ordered one of your new super awesome PTFO desk mats for my first pc gaming setup! I love everything ya do for the gaming community and just wanted to thank you and show my support to you for wat ya do!! 💥🤘💥

[@shawns4354]

Join the party. Icarus devs banned me from steam forums, discord, and twitter for addressing player concerns with the following constructive criticism. "So many things need to be fixed or over hauled and instead we get more mechanics tacked on to a game loop that just isn't entertaining. And yet another week with no word to whether it's even in works or where they are with it. So we are left to assume this is what we get. A boring game that is far from what was advertised and sold to us." So very unprofessional.

[@HitmanMoneyMaker]

saw the comments about the store page and thought it can't be thaaat bad, but holy hell the dev really hurt themselves in confusion when answering the early access questions.

[@kyledakilla8724]

I played with Redline years ago, sounded like a know it all. They also disabled my game key, thanks Tracer Interactive!

[@AaronDaDon]

The audacity!

[@MrCrazyGameGuy]

How do you steal a 20 year old game and fill it with asset's you've stolen and then still can't release a functional game? How can anyone fail so hard?

[@SyanpseGalaxy]

bro really went from BigFryTV to TheGameTheory

[@sumfurtrash]

I love how they updated the early access description to look better and the highest player count the game has had so far is 200 according to steam charts.

[@marcomunoz1146]

They threw professionalism right out the fucking window 😂

[@SecondClassCitizen]

SOCOM will forever be my first love. It's the dragon I chase every time I play a new third person shooter. The fact that they point their fingers at the people who have yet to give them money is all I need to know. They don't know what the word accountability means. I can't back anyone who displays that kind of behavior. I put the game on my ignore list.

[@Etags]

“Long term investment” 😂 yeah sure let me talk to my account on this and take a look at the potential returns

[@mezzops1716]

11:09 yea bluedrake is already doing that with harsh doorstop lol

[@ShadowDreamer100]

This almost reads like a parody of EA games. My god. Even your ban. The Negging is real

[@dantehixrabbit1111]

10/10 for their honesty 1/10 development ability outside of ripping

[@SneedRemembrancer]

It comes off a parody of what most early access games at their core are.

[@dickensanthony]

Makes me appreciate Sony and Microsoft for not allowing “early access” titles on their digital stores

[@aeden8008]

That store page is just wow. "We need money, so buy the game that we probably wont finish, then shut up and leave us alone."

[@stormbug]

this game is heading to a dark end, especially for the dev

[@homefront1999]

That store page is so bad that I struggle to believe it isn't a joke.

[@NekoSteamBoy]

That Community Part is just wtf? This has some Sergey Titov vibes xD

[@thedukeofnuke1517]

The store page looks like it was written by Nick from Dead Matter. lol

[@valthonispaladine7999]

"Our shit sucks ... buy it!"