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[@ENCurtis]

The first 1,000 people to use my link will get a full year of Premium membership to Woodworkers Guild of America for only $1.49: go.wwgoa.com/encurtis4/

[@deek3048]

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[@Delorkay]

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[@deek3048]

@@Delorkay You will now receive a barrage of daily emails. BTW, it's the first 1,000,000 who will get this 'deal'...

[@Delorkay]

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[@liquidrockaquatics3900]

@@Delorkay some people just need to cry. I took advantage months ago. It’s great information, and it helps support them.

[@MikeyDonna]

One of the neatest projects you’ve ever done, “simple yet Elegant “

[@214rwoz]

I know you have your events and classes I just through a plane kit working on the side would not be a bad thing ! I made raw wood coasters for a month it enabled me to buy a new bandsaw and after all those f ing coasters I needed one ! Thanks for all your time and effort. 1in7

[@robohippy]

I do have every thing I need to make a bunch of planes, including Japanese style planes. If you want to see some one who makes planes beautiful enough to bring "tears to the eyes of a wooden rocking horse" check out Stavros Gakos. There are so many possibilities.

[@KiltedHoundWoodworking]

Thanks so much for this video. I don't have any planes - I've been doing mostly renovation style woodworking rather than fine carpentry woodworking - but I've really wanted one. Ok, that's a lie. I do have a tiny Japanese plane designed for putting a 45 chamfer on wood. So I decided to do a bunch more research, buy a Hock blade, and make one. I had some scrap Limba from a vanity I made my wife (renovation stuff) which I used for the cheeks. I used some scrap purpleheart for the sole because of its hardness and the natural oils in the wood. I had some leftover maple which I used for the body. It turned out beautifully. I need to sharpen the blade and learn how to set it better, but I think it's going to work out really well. I've heard learning how to set it with a hammer takes a couple of days to figure out... Thanks again for the video!

[@MikePowersTSIG]

Making a plane is a great way to learn how much the smallest detail matters. I highly recommend making one. The best part is that if you totally screw it up you still have the iron and you can just start over and over until you get it right enough. 🤘

[@nanettil]

Found your channel only recently, just subscribed. Lovely style! You gave me a wonderful "aha!" moment, too! I never realized that one could make the blade housing just by cutting and carving the body, and putting everything together with the cheeks. Thank you! (from Italy, for that matters)😊

[@Richardwright-we6rv]

excellent video as usual, the first of the wooden planes that you showed, in England we call that a "coffin" plane, because of its shape, not because of what it was used for, in England a "coffin" is what you guy's call a casket. Richard Wright, York, England

[@alexchavez2114]

Heya ! Lovely lovely plane and video ! Something to consider may be adding a "wear" angle in front of the mouth to reduce the rate the mouth opens up as you have to flatten the sole ! Also a fun rule of thumb with British planes is that where the iron sits at the middle of the top edge along the length and then french planes will have the leading edge of the opening on the middle!! Keep at it this is so cool to see !!!

[@twcmaker]

Have you skipped a part in this comment.? I'm struggling to find the 'fun part' along the... 🤔 Jamie

[@DavidPaulNewtonScott]

I made a plane from my De Walt cordless cordless planer with a flattening bit mounted in a lengthe of wood. It works way better than I expected. It's more of a Japanese pull plane style great for planing faces on logs.

[@gerarddelmonte8776]

I made a Krenov plane and put a knob on the front and a tote on the back. Luverly performance with the Hock blade I used.

[@ENCurtis]

I may try an iteration like that in the future.

[@kirklandcarswell6640]

Videos like this is why I come here. Thanks, great job.

[@ENCurtis]

Thank you!

[@genecarden780]

I’m no expert but I’ve made several of these planes ( the first one, that I still use was more than 20 years ago) and there are a couple of things I noticed. If, before you cut off the cheeks, you drill holes for dowels all the way through,in the waste,you can then temporarily put the cheeks on and figure out where the cross pin goes, you can then take the cheeks off and align the cheeks together with the dowels and drill both cheeks at once and the pin will be square. And also the back of the plane still seems a little boxy to hold comfortably. ( maybe you have large hands) If you hold your hand like you are holding the plane you will see your thumb and forefinger make a pretty good “U” shape.If the back is a little rounded and sloped more from top to bottom, you get the downward pressure from behind the plane and it is very comfortable to hold. You have one of the best woodworking channels on KZbin. Keep making your excellent videos.👍👍👍

[@twcmaker]

Totally agree with all points 👍👍👍 Jamie

[@redponywoodworking6554]

Ive been wanting to do one of these for a while! May have just convinced me to go for it!

[@ENCurtis]

Absolutely would encourage you to go for it. Worst thing that could happen is you learn a thing!

[@bigdragon261]

Love the way you are genuine. Love it that you shooed us the process you took. One question. Obviously anybody can answer. Would it be possible to have the mouth to be used both ways?

[@BenAD1974]

Beautiful plane and great video walking through the build. Love your videos. A plane is on my list of hand tools to build.

[@ENCurtis]

Thank you!

[@ehisey]

Leave that edge behind iron fully intact. It adds support to the iron, especially good witg thinner irons.

[@WindRidgeWoodCrafts]

Beautiful plane and great video, as well. I bought a Hock smoothing plane kit 5+ years ago and loved it. I ended up picking up a couple hand plane books (David Finck and Christopher Schwarz) and working on some CNC models for a few different sizes. There's something very entertaining about using a CNC to make hand tools. Using the same shape and idea as a Krenov design, I ended up splitting the block lengthwise and carving the interior from the side to make the blade and chip cavities, as well as the screw cap and pin cutouts. I also did the edge shaping similar to how you finished yours, just more rounded. They came out great and I love making them. Thanks for sharing and I hope to see more of these going forward.

[@ENCurtis]

Careful... don't go telling folks you used a CNC to make a hand tool or the internet will have you drawn and quartered. I'm not even allowed to use hand planes to make a hand plane apparently 😂

[@WindRidgeWoodCrafts]

@@ENCurtis CNCs allow the Domino folks to have a little reprieve 🙂 May you live in interesting times.

[@214rwoz]

I have never even tried to make one, thank you for all your time and effort. I think Paul has a kit you can buy on line maybe you can do something like that yourself. 1in7

[@ENCurtis]

I've seen a couple kits but never gave them much thought. For me, I much prefer getting it wrong and learning from the experience. But I understand that's not for everybody.

[@einsteinbpc]

That’s one sexy plane. I’ve always wanted to try making one, the angles and wedge are always what gold me back. I should just dive in and try. Thanks for a great Saturday morning. Cheers.

[@ENCurtis]

Don't doubt yourself! It's simpler than you think. This iron is bedded at 50 degrees (the classic York pitch) and the shaving relief is around 60.

[@joansmith2169]

This is perfectly fine, though I prefer it when you are presenting for people farther down the funnel.

[@esxdave]

Someone’s been listening to BS podcasts 😉

[@ENCurtis]

Fair enough :) But I also make no apologies for making a silly thing because it's a fun way to spend an afternoon!

[@twcmaker]

I've shared this with my woodworking students. Hopefully one day they'll all be at the same finishing point when I can say.. "Hey, let's make a thing.. That thing is going to be a plane" Cheers Erik. All the best Jamie

[@ENCurtis]

Love that Jamie. That would be fun to hear if you can get them to that point and to see the result. They'd certainly learn a thing.

[@botch3936]

Thanks for the inspiration, and the Guild membership!

[@ENCurtis]

I gotchu!

[@1deerndingo]

I look forward to your videos. Thanks for another instructive, entertaining and motivating video.

[@VicTesolinWoodworks]

Tool making is one of my favourite things. Glad you’re exploring it!

[@gregorypennell1755]

Nice! I love making tools and jigs almost as much as using them. A set of wooden planes is definitely on my list. 🙌🏼

[@ENCurtis]

Oh making a whole fleet is a brilliant idea. You'll be an absolute pro by the end!

[@fidgetshouse]

Beautiful!❤

[@philliparudolph9595]

nice work, I may try doing it in Myrtle wood, also cool cup

[@RickyVonPooper]

It was interesting and I did learn a thing! Beautiful result and a pleasure to watch as always. :D

[@ENCurtis]

Thank you!

[@pdloder]

I like that wooden face looking thing on the wall behind you - though I don't know why - but it's very cool - and now I want one.

[@zionosphere]

Saturday mornings are more complete with an Eric video. I wonder if a plane could be made shaped and curved like your favorite convertible.

[@fidgetshouse]

Cup of coffee and an Eric video! I agree, the best part of a Saturday morn.

[@ENCurtis]

I really appreciate that. And that would be a super fun series! Hand planes based on car designs... hmmmmmm that might also be a super successful series of videos...

[@wouterengels7769]

@@zionosphere great idea, maybe even supercars? I nominate aventador, a Morgan an Astin Martin Vantage 😁

[@paniot8414]

Exactly. When I did the same plane for myself, the first reason was because it`s beatiful and really reminds me elegant forms of early Bugatti amd Delahaye. Im not sure if Krenov was thinking that way, but he created pure art deco plane design.

[@zionosphere]

@ENCurtis If I had a car shaped plane, it would be really hard to use it without making car noises. Bonus points if you do it on video.

[@quirkygreece]

Nice job Erik - good video - and once again, congrats on your choice of music. Cheers!

[@thomasalison6188]

I been thinking about making one, especially after I bought & used some Japanese planes. I nerd to get going on it! Thanks for the motivation Erik!

[@ENCurtis]

Glad to help you along my dude!

[@philaandrew100]

Very noice. I reaaaaaaaly love the use of our good ole Western Australian Gidgee for the sole plate. I have a bunch of it left over from my Luthier years, is an excellent timber for fingerboards and bridges. Have resoled a few timber body and Transitional planes with it and it works great.

[@ENCurtis]

It's an incredible material and I only wish I had more of it! I'd love to utilize it in other projects but it's hard to come by here.

[@philaandrew100]

Erik, I am more than happy to help with that particular issue.... There are a few other West Aussie Desert timbers that would get you all hot and bothered too. 😁😂

[@rattlejake0422]

"That's why you *do* things...!" *clap clap clap clap clap* couldn't agree more

[@tommoeller7149]

Cool, thx!

[@spectrumwoodworksllc]

Another awesome vid, brother. I'm going to give it a shot very soon!! Thank you for what you do!!! Oh, where did you pick up your mini block plane??

[@DaileyWoodworks]

This looks awesome I want to try this now.

[@ENCurtis]

Go for it!

[@greggcoulter6008]

Reminds me of an old 50’s vehicle or something. Great video.

[@ENCurtis]

Oh now THAT could make for a fun second iteration...

[@Fusion_Woodworking]

Yes, that mouth opening is very forward, almost to the front 1/4. Still great result.

[@adamwaldon5563]

This video is so friggin cool. Just amazing my friend

[@ianpearse4480]

Very cool.

[@Kernowwoods]

That’s a sexy little plane dude. Good to have u back 🤙

[@ENCurtis]

Thanks my dude!

[@remiavard7709]

Good video, thank you !!

[@ENCurtis]

Thanks!

[@terrytopliss9506]

Well have fun with your plane Erik and thanks for the video.👍👍

[@ENCurtis]

Thanks, will do!

[@richpeggyfranks490]

Best woodworking music on YT.

[@ENCurtis]

Much obliged.

[@ja-no6fx]

Melbourne tool company low angle jack too shavings right out of the box

[@TheDanXIV]

I like the modern look of the beveled corners. Maybe you could add a handle that you take between your thumb and fingers in the front.

[@ENCurtis]

I've already considered that for a future iteration 👊

[@BearCreekWoodworking]

Making a plane actually looks FUN! 👊

[@ENCurtis]

It is!

[@adamwaldon5563]

Amazing!!!

[@ENCurtis]

Thanks!

[@wouterengels7769]

'Don't buy tools', then uses well over 10k worth of machines to make a tool. 😅 But it's gorgeous and it takes a good shaving. Nothing wrong with that. Good video. This approach (with glued cheeks) makes more sense to me than trying to chop it all out with a chisel.

[@ENCurtis]

Such is life! Need tools to make tools. It's the woodworkers dilemma 😂

[@KillerSpud]

Go check out Rex Kruger for some real budget woodworking videos.

[@robertberger8642]

Nice!

[@ENCurtis]

Thanks!

[@lmcori]

Excellent thing to get out there and make! The how-would-I-do-it-next-time ending was great. Podcast topic? The podcast is fantastic, btw.

[@ENCurtis]

That's a great idea! And thanks!

[@saramulry]

Excellent!

[@ENCurtis]

Thanks Sara!

[@michaelthompson5875]

Awesome discussion about tool design Erik. It's tempting to go make a Krenov plane. Any thoughts on "rounding" the 2 ends...I'm envisioning a "torpedo" sort of look so it nestles in the hand, especially in the back end.

[@ehisey]

Ye ole coffin style. It vastly improves the hand feel.

[@ENCurtis]

Yes the old coffin style indeed. It's very comfortable to use, though perhaps it would lose a little functionality if you were to attempt to use it on the edge of a board. Then again, you may have other planes for that!

[@mikedodsonlabview]

Love the plane! I just made one similar to yours from a kit. The question I have is what did you use as a finish?

[@ENCurtis]

I used my normal finish (oil/turp/urethane), though only one coat. Then I waxed the bloody hell out of it. Could also use a simple BLO or danish oil.

[@505Daniel]

that grain selection though... god damn.

[@ENCurtis]

Oh she sexy 😎

[@philipchandler330]

Great job loved your process. Curious about the angles you used for blade openings. Attempting my first Kanna Dai.

[@ENCurtis]

Thanks mate. The iron is bedded at 50 degrees (the classic York pitch) and the shaving relief is around 60.

[@philipchandler330]

@@ENCurtis Thanks so much and I appreciate your sharing your expertise.

[@contestwill1556]

without sound that wwgoa b-roll looked like someone drilling their finger in a drill press

Fun video. Looking forward to making one. Do you need to worry about the sole grain direction lining up with the body grain?

[@ENCurtis]

Not really. It's only 1/8" thick so realistically it's going to act more like a veneer than anything else. Though I'm sure there will be people who disagree.

@@ENCurtis thanks! I really enjoy your videos.

[@Psywar30]

Do you have any experience with the Melbourne Tools low angle smoothing planes? I've been considering getting one as my first plane. I've read that you can use those in place of sanding so I've been thinking about trying that as my finishing process.

[@ENCurtis]

I've used their spokeshaves and they seem to be reasonably well made. My shop mate has their smoother and it looks decent, though I admit I haven't used it.

[@Psywar30]

@@ENCurtis Well get out there and use a thang. :) Thanks for the reply.

[@henrysboy2]

Fun video. TY.

[@ENCurtis]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@mikec8451]

Very interesting video - What kind of wood would you recommend to build such a plane, I was thinking of maple and black ebony ?

[@ENCurtis]

After doing a fair bit of research, I came to the conclusion that Maple is among the best woods to use. It's pretty even seasonal movement both radially and tangentially (which is important) and reasonably dense. Adding a dense wear plate like ebony will work great.

[@natswoodshop940]

Can you teach a class on how to make this. Like a video class

[@donesry2902]

Nice! Planning curly maple without the pesky little spots of tear out is fantastic. I always have to sand curly maple after planing and that really irritates me. Now I’m thinking of making plane with a higher angle. I do polish the blade super sharp and set it for razor thin shavings. Now I’m thinking about increasing the angle. My concern with these wooden planes is getting them setup up for very thin shavings. What are your thoughts? Do you think it’s the angle for figured wood that makes the difference with tear out?

[@ENCurtis]

I absolutely think its the higher angle of approach that makes the difference. You can even buy accessory frogs from Lie Nielsen at 50 and 55 degrees. This iron is bedded at 50 degrees for that exact reason.

[@joebass5]

Humans are such funny creatures. In one individual lies “Gnarful” the eagle and the ability to choose the coolest video music ever and make beautiful things from wood. 😎

[@ENCurtis]

I prefer to think of this character as Gwaihir 😎

[@joebass5]

@@ENCurtis And so it shall be

[@fanutsky]

Hi thank you for this very interesting video. I will try to make one, but where can i get the blade?

[@ENCurtis]

Lee Valley had them for sale 👊

[@myhoneyshandmade1077]

fun plane. where did you get the blade?

[@WindRidgeWoodCrafts]

Lee Valley carries Hock blades (Hock retired and the website redirects to Lee Valley). Drop by the Lee Valley site and enter 'hock plane blade' in the search. I'd drop a direct link below this, but they're usually blocked on KZbin channels.

[@WindRidgeWoodCrafts]

Hock blades at Lee Valley - www.leevalley.com/en-ca/tools/hock-tools/hock-krenov-style-blades

[@myhoneyshandmade1077]

@@WindRidgeWoodCrafts thanks

[@ENCurtis]

Yes indeed, I bought the blade from Lee Valley. There is also a link in the description.

[@myhoneyshandmade1077]

@@ENCurtis thanks

[@kevinstephens1109]

Do I need a plane to make a plane.... in order to plane?? That being said if I was to purchase a plane ( begginer, total amateur with wood, retired Ironworker! ) what would be the first? Jack? Block, small. 6 inch smoother?

[@ENCurtis]

The irony of needing tools to make tools is not lost on me. But if I were to start all over I would consider buying a jack or a smoother to start.

[@ian-ll8zo]

Im currently having a go at fixing a few old wood planes after seeing your last wood plane video. It was £10 for 3 of them so if i get one of the three working well id be chuffed. Is there a reason you chose not to laminate a new section on the bottom to close the gap? Is the blade too short to make that viable? I know that traditionally that was quite common way to extend the life of a plane.

[@CinkSVideo]

Well…you screwed that up in the most lovely way. I like a plane with a flare of your aesthetic added.

[@ENCurtis]

Haha thank you

[@Mcinoh]

Coincidentally, last night, I found myself watching Paul Sellers build a router plane from his kit. I saw you do a review of router planes not long ago. Have you tried one of his kits and if so, what is your opinion of it?

[@Kosh42EFG]

I have his kit and enjoyed the build. I'll rebuild it one day when I have more skills. For now, I bought a Hongdui (the KM one).

[@ehisey]

Solid kit. It is based on the old hag's tooth style routers. But you get the advantage of modern knob adjustment.

[@ENCurtis]

I've not tried Paul's kit but I have no doubt he's putting out a solid kit.

[@davidwilliams3643]

Good video… blade position does seem a little far forward

[@BrittaDuffy]

Everyone adores this video (and I do too). But here I am concerned about how many onesies you have in your closet.

[@Rossco242424]

Looks great but I could not hear what the plane sounded like.

[@ENCurtis]

Sounds like its taking shavings 😂

[@kymmarshall1116]

11:07 was the moment for me when it took form.

[@brucepottorff6870]

What wood did you use for the sole?

[@ENCurtis]

Gidgee. It's a super dense australian wood with a Janka rating well over 4000. Hard to work, but dense as stone.

[@BlackRaven-w4e]

Gorgeous... The plane I mean. 😅

[@ENCurtis]

😂 Thanks!

[@gjiiwiz]

Hey🍻music starting at about 9:50, title and artist please. Thanks

[@paulellis84]

Messing up daily! 😂

[@rolandgdean]

Planes being used to make planes!! How perverse! 0,o

[@ENCurtis]

It's a real matryoshka doll situation 😂

[@rolandgdean]

@@ENCurtis Interesting point and very true. My comment came from my NERD BRAIN...Star Wars...when C3P-0 sees the battle droid factory on Geonosis. Being a "hand build" droid, he has a human "maker" and when he sees the assembly line he says, "Machines making machines? How perverse!" Sorry...lol...I'm such a geek. 😁

[@JerkDogJ]

I thought I walked into a new Bobby Dukes video for a min😂

[@ENCurtis]

😂😂 Finest compliment I've received on an ad read yet

[@jerrybyrd7778]

I had to stop the video @ 2 minutes in, I was laughing so hard.

[@ENCurtis]

bahaha glad you appreciate AMERICA 🇺🇸

[@JulienB_BTW]

I haven't watched the video yet, but I disagree.

[@liquidrockaquatics3900]

I think making universal statements about not buying or always buying is just plain silly. Have I always wanted to see someone build a wooden smoother with new irons? Absolutely! But did it require a new tool purchase? Also absolutely. And a lot of skill, other tools, time, and dedication.

[@HansKrause-k6r]

Love your channel. It’s inspirational and generally fun to watch. Stevros Gakos’ channel is a good one to watch if you’re in to making planes. I’ve got a problem with the intro though, no country has absolute freedom as you depict, it’s an illusion, government propaganda, a lie to show your political system is the best. American democracy is about your right to vote and then to be hood winked by those you vote for. Don’t despair all political systems are the same be they democracies, dictatorships, capitalist,social democracies or oligarchs. The Australian Aboriginals have a great saying “different dog, same leg action”

[@liquidrockaquatics3900]

@@HansKrause-k6r American freedom is about the freedom of speech primarily and the freedom to address grievances against the government. there’s way more to it than that and it doesn’t mean everything is anarchy and complete freedom; there are laws there are restrictions of course and America is not a democracy. It’s a constitutional republic.

[@JulienB_BTW]

Heeeee... Can you guys get the f*ck off my comment please ?

[@HansKrause-k6r]

@@liquidrockaquatics3900 We have a democracy and in the main we also have freedom of speech but at the expense of vilifying someone. You can say whatever you like as long as you express it as your own opinion and not as an accusation. You should also expect an argument / discussion about the premises of your opinion. Criticising of the government is a national past time but most people don’t care too much about what the government does as long as it doesn’t affect them. We have a Governor General who sits above the government and can dissolve a government if they off the rails and we’ve had a government dissolved in the 1970s. Our constitution protects our democracy in a way not evident on the 6th of January on Capital Hill. Our prime minister would not be allowed to do what Trump did.

[@dpmeyer4867]

sexy plane

[@theofarmmanager267]

As with almost all short titles - particularly those which are designed to grab attention - it’s not entirely true. It’s hardly a catchy title but I think reality is more like “don’t buy more new tools; you’ve probably got too many already and you might be able to get a good second hand option”. If you’ve been woodworking for many years, you almost certainly have too many tools. Tools that are duplicate of others (guilty as I used to have 2 people working for me and I bought 3 of most hand tools) others that hardly get used (guilty again) and others that you bought in a omens of weakness (that’s 3 out of 3 guilty). The tool manufacturing industry is so large that they can only survive and thrive by getting us to buy more and more. They all have incredibly sophisticated marketing departments whose only target is to get us buy something. All those “ground-breaking” tools? Those tools that will make you into an expert in an instant? 99% crap. I make most of my jobs because they are mostly unique to a particular job. But, for well used ones like a coping sled, I buy ready made. But if you like making your tools; if you like making all your jigs, then go ahead if that’s one of the ways for you to get pleasure. My greater pleasure is using very nice tools and making pieces so that I don’t need or want to make my tools. Back to the video. The sentiment is correct.

[@ehisey]

Main reason I stay vintage. No marketing, so I am only looking for tools that solve actual problems I am having :)

[@ENCurtis]

Of course it's a silly title and a strong bit of hyperbole. I would much rather live in a world where I could post a video titled "making a wooden hand plane because it brought me joy" and it do well. Perhaps one day.

[@sillydg]

I've never been able to get the WWA link to work

[@ENCurtis]

Well that's a bummer. I'm sorry it's not working for you. I can try to get you another link if you're interested in signing up.

[@sillydg]

Yes please

[@sillydg]

Got it to work.

[@RenaldoCaballero]

WHAT! WHAT! AND! AND! BUT! BUT!

[@pinkerbot]

Love your videos - normally. I have to say though, even if it is obviously with an ironic edge, i am not a fan of the freedom-jargon 😐

[@LordPadriac]

My dude. You just used several planes to help make a plane. I think you just inceptioned woodworking.

[@TheRealMagisD]

True but realistically you can make one with a single Stanley you restored and a decent chisel. Also I love the tubers here, make and use these awesome hand tools ... Proceeds to start using 20k of high end wood processing equipment to prep there wood.

[@ENCurtis]

It's the way of the world my man. Gotta use tools to make tools.

[@ENCurtis]

As a professional woodworker I have a shop full of tools that help me make objects efficiently and accurately. I also utilize my hand tools with regularity. I make no apologies for building a halfway decent shop over the last 15 years.

[@snteevveetns]

Um, using making a plane to make a plane… what if I don’t have a plane to make my plane?! lol good video otherwise!

[@johnnichols8553]

Sure the plane was under $50, but it took $10,000 in tools to do it. I don't as of yet have the planes needed to make a plane. Or a jointer. Some day.

[@manwe_sulimo]

I’m only trying to help, honestly…that solo guitar was simply disturbing… made me leave