This Games OWNER Goes Full Stupid??? (DDOS)

[@miss.floppa1637]

so are you telling me that the Trello team, the ones in charge to distribute the game's information accurately, have to figure said information on their fucking own? the owner hates hand holding so much that he refuses to help his own team, hilarious.

[@EclipseGameplays]

The trello afaik is community run in its entirety, there is no "official" trello because the owner had is head so far up his own ass he wants people to mindless try things over and over with no direction until 1 person figures it out, and then it gets put online and now obviously everyone has that info

[@Player20XX]

@@EclipseGameplays I love how even if someone figures something out it just turns out to be bugged

[@evellol2059]

​@@Player20XXyea either bugged or unintentional 😂

[@stahby]

The trello is entirely community ran

[@Bizbert1]

@@EclipseGameplays you see, that concept of "finding out" was a set in stone choice when it was in beta, to fuel this "You are tiny in this world" / "Fear of the unkown" rpg but nowadays with these ass pull of upds they just make it unbearably a chore to find out wtv shit show they cooked up

[@darkmatter9643]

Yeah the dev really did say that lol. “It’s not bugged” - NuovaPrime 2023

[@Dovsaspa]

at this point hes not a dev, hes the owner "Also if it wasn't apparent, I'm not really that involved with the scripting side of the game anymore, that's mostly on @Hikari_Yami , @shurawei and @PepperDime " "I just handle some management and a lot of the game's planning and concepting alongside @Matrodeus , so forward bug fixes and such to the scripters Mostly cause me and bird stepped away to work on other games, although I still plan out a lot of the stuff for AL"

[@Fulokkusu]

"it's not a bug, it's a feature" used in the worst way possible

[@Rosseauxe]

i hear he likes em young now

[@nebuelle]

"No Handholding" only really works when the game's gameplay is simplistic enough that the player can guess and be right about what they need to do at a glimpse. Only example I've played is Cruelty Squad, where you see a guy with a big target on him and you'd probably guess you need to kill him.

[@FausSkibidiToiletRizz]

CEO MINDSET 🗣️‼️‼️

[@hellogoodsir2502]

SET GOALS. HAVE A TEN YEAR PLAN. WAKE UP EARLY. INVEST. CEO MINDSET.

[@cysticta]

ceo mindset

[@madmanwithterriblespelling7558]

Ah yes the game where a hit man eat people body parts and invest to stock market

[@zeroideas3722]

it's funny because the headquarters is the tutorial of cruelty squad

[@LJK69420]

If yall watched his top 10 games video, his number one was Breath of the Wild, which has the player spend the majority of their time exploring the open world

[@EclipseGameplays]

THANK YOU!

[@Devkeyboard1]

​@@EclipseGameplays why did u change your user to eclipse gameplays was something wrong with just eclipse ?

[@Devkeyboard1]

​@@EclipseGameplaysor was it just always eclipseGameplays idk

[@NullSpace3]

Yeah no clue what that idiotic game dev was whining about

[@coolname8148]

@@Devkeyboard1its a different channel I think for just random gameplays

[@Banana-vx7eq]

My favorite thing nuova did was when he accidently wiped like half of everyone's inventory while trying to fix a dupe glitch and his reply to the community being upset all their legit gear that took hours to farm got deleted was saying "Was probably duped anyway" and no one got reimbursed

[@idiotsandwich298]

Owner of the year 👍

[@atomickarate3421]

Even more funny that the dupe glitch qas something he could of fixed ages ago.

[@Megustaelcafe413]

Even funnier if you know that if you lose items it will never get restored

[@savageclasher1014]

which game

[@calkocity166]

a day before that i had grinded a week for constantly trading my way up from nothing to get b2 gear. after that bs reset ive never and will never touch the game again unless it gets new ownership or devs. nuova sucks major ass as a person in general too.

[@lolfoxmaster4870]

The Eclipse community is basically just ‘’We hang around stupid people so we look smart in comparison’’ because most of us have common sense. Eclipse makes videos on games with stupid communities, gets ragebait, his fanbase laughs at the idiots and then Eclipse makes a ddos video. I love it.

[@thegoldenraysoftheglorious1180]

It's so fun😊

[@aubueruser7228]

Truly a moment

[@SamLeroSberg]

What a time to be alive.

[@hajebde8282]

fr

[@evellol2059]

i mean we need something to feast on so we have a purpose yknow 😂

[@PrinceEIijah]

Tiger uppercut

[@aninstrument2803]

sonic

[@zoomedact]

boom…

[@S1ayer585.]

HYPER

[@DaveTheDummy120]

LASAGNA

[@SpIattle]

@Eclipse nightmare

[@enricopucci6302]

the owner- "fuck the begginers they should talk with everyone and waste 20 hours to finish one quest"

[@aahhhhhhhhhhhhh]

"w-why is my game dying 🥺"

[@hajebde8282]

"WHAT THE FUCK IS A BEGINNER FRIENDLY? 🔥🔥"

[@far8566]

Are people this biased to their favorite youtuber that they have to take the same opinion as the youtuber to feel like they're contributing to an argument? How about you play rogue lineage and find out the game has NO Tutorial and all the info is on a wiki, with rogue lineage every eclipse stan would have a temper tantrum because they lack the basic skills to find things out on their own

[@aahhhhhhhhhhhhh]

@@far8566 because Eclipse says exactly what I believe myself

[@davestew5135]

@@far8566 that's is probably what the algorithm is for I think???

[@memezforbeanz3109]

Eclipse, no matter how discouraged you are, please continue to make these videos. There needs to be someone holding these games accountable for their horrible design, and despite only doing this for money, you still somehow keep your morals intact. You're a legend, never quit please!

[@Debt00]

you said it!!

[@thegoldenraysoftheglorious1180]

Fr

[@xeihilitty]

The glaze is real

[@Nitrogenic]

​@@xeihilitty fr like 2/5 of his content are ddos or non gameplay critiques Eclipse is clearly deprived of interesting vid ideas and resorts to his Gordon Ramsay persona

[@StarNeverDoes]

@@Nitrogenic I guess don't like what you don't like but all Eclipse is doing is sharing his opinion on crap games and trying to fix them by highlighting the issues they have. There's nothing wrong with constructive criticism, and I find his videos very interesting, thank you very much

[@Ninjaisaac34]

What you said at the end of the video reminded me of when deepwoken KZbinrs got mad when they started improving the new player experience and said “the game is becoming too easy”

[@fishfood8711]

aint no way they said that

[@bowldawg4394]

the main thing with these kinds of games is that there’s an undeniable hook of getting information very little other people know about, but then they can abuse their advantage on people who don’t know how they got the stuff that they do, which does nothing but promote toxicity and gatekeeping that can end up killing a game entirely. everyone should be having fun, not just the top players who know more than the rest

[@hogless24]

I play Rogue Lineage, and recently Grimmkind (the only "active" developer remaining, bless him) has been adding a lot of quality of life updates. Among these he essentially halved the requirements for every ultra class and made playing the game generally less tedious. And when this dropped I saw a concerning amount of players saying the game is too easy now. (You still need a minimum of 30 PLAYER kills for the average chaotic ultra) It is absolutely insane to me how people gatekeep games like this despite actively struggling to progress themselves. (It is a common sentiment that solo progression is impossible since 2022)

[@hugopereira4212]

@@hogless24 the rogue community often forget that in a game with only 3 lives, killing someone 30 times is insane, but well ofc they forget often times they only kill an alt 1 million times, they dont actually play the game (neither the devs)

[@hogless24]

@@hugopereira4212 True. I have played the game for ~4-5 years now, and I have only met a small handful of people who have solo progressed harder ultras than spy, druid, and Sigil Knight commander (2 of which require 0 kills/rots...). And most new players have never even solo progressed a class because they get boosted right off the bat.

[@Zandhark]

Owner meltdown? Is that a lobotomy corporation reference?!

[@c5h87]

what speriah is owner???!!?

[@thegoldenraysoftheglorious1180]

​@@c5h87malkuth cuz they are a control freak

[@maitreyagpatel]

bait used to be- holy shit is that the red mist

[@momo8700]

HOLY SHIT IS THAT AN ALEPH

[@Sky_darts]

@@maitreyagpatel*muffled hard rock plays in the background*

[@adamkisiel799]

Eclipse! You clearly haven't considered that maybe, just maybe the entire script for the game is written in such a way that moving the tutorial NPC will completely nuke everything and Arcane Lineage will never work again.

[@khrozin]

Spaghetti code my favourite!

[@maumau22]

The game already doesn't work

[@TheOtherLPer203]

The tutorial NPC is the coconut.png from TF2.

[@kakarotorgoku2481]

Like the game doesnt have enough stuff as is?

[@Eive3]

ur dumb

[@muckyesyesindisguise3854]

Ok I’m actually upset at the “same thing as campfires in deepwoken” like campfires aren’t universally represented as safe spaces or places to save in like… a billion popular games! The entire soul series (an obvious major inspiration for Deepwoken) and like every other RPG ever have them as either integral game mechanics or put them all over safe zones! (I honestly think it’s probably not that there is a high number of games that have it but instead a few really popular games that do, but still it’s like basic gaming rule #5 campfire=safe)

[@therealbugmanta3187]

They're children who have devoted their entire life to Roblox, of course they wouldn't play any other RPG, or any other good one off the platform at least.

[@muckyesyesindisguise3854]

@@therealbugmanta3187 I feel like they should still know tho. Like, I haven’t played the souls games (skill issue) but I still know that bonfires are the whole thing the first three are about lol. It’s just kinda upsetting that someone wouldn’t even try to watch or play other games like that :/

[@therealbugmanta3187]

@@muckyesyesindisguise3854 Yes, the children don't know anything but Roblox, this is common knowledge in most games. I find it funny that we used to tell people to hop off fortnite, but now they have to be begged to play because of the brain rot in Roblox they play each passing day.

[@lolgustxs]

He probably said it because deep is a roblox game aswell

[@vergil2]

Because hes talking about a roblox game to roblox players

[@sawe6051]

Eclipse, I would like to talk some more about Nuova and his.. "personality" I was helping donating stuff to the trello team (the trello team probably doesnt know it tho since i gave them to a friend who was a friend of a trello staff member) The donating stuff went towards the mark obtainment. The first 3 days saw people wiping WEEKS of progress to try and get marks. There is an item in game called "echo shard" which require you to beat the hardest boss in the game, called Metrom's Vessel, to obtain. The boss is pretty much impossible to do if you didnt spend AT LEAST 200 hours into the game and spent over 1k robux to get slots and race rerolls. Now guess what people felt when these echo shards and many more stuff that is just as rare, was lost because Nuova didnt feel like he wanted to patch a bug, or even admit there was a bug. Mark obtainment is a whole different story. You need to donate like 50 artifacts which are 1% drops for each TIER of the mark (you get wiped after every tier btw) and thats just the first mark. The second mark is the most broken shit in the game that can deal half of the final boss health in 1 turn with little setup. So basically, if you didnt spend at the very least, 400 hours into the game, you aint getting even ACCEPTED into the party to fight the final boss. There was many complaints about this in suggestions. Getting to the last boss was impossible without being carried by a very rich friend in trade market pretty much. And guess what Nuova said to these complains? "The testers beat it, skill issue". Yeah, the testers that get unlimited lives and can edit their own builds beat the final boss, and now Nuova is using it as excuse to justify the final boss being unavailable for 99% of the player base. I mentioned it in your AL video already, but I will say it again. The early stages of your progression in AL isnt NEARLY as big of an issue as the late stages.

[@thatoneelkcaribou6251]

400 hours is like 10-20 100% runs of BoTW, which is insane. I dont think you should ever be REQUIRED to spend 400+ hours JUST to beat a game ONE TIME. I’ve tried to play arcane lineage, but the new player experience is so awful that I stopped about 5 hours in, and for reference, I hated (and still hate) deepwoken, but I at least can enjoy it with friends and can somewhat enjoy the game playing alone. The fact that nouva basically says “fuck you” or “skill issue” to every single problem the game has isn’t helping either. I also hate the fact that you’re basically required to play on the highest difficulty to get good loot (unless this isn’t true) is also extremely retarded to me. Also, I find nouvas response to the final boss hilarious “Ah, yes, my testers who have unlimited lives and can recreate their builds mid playthrough beat this boss, so the reason these regular ass people can’t beat it has to be skill issue 🤓.” Thats the funniest shit to me 😭😭😭

[@evellol2059]

​@@thatoneelkcaribou6251shitty ass owner doesnt know that his testers are privileged as hell to beat the game

[@sawe6051]

@@thatoneelkcaribou6251 You know whats funny? The game has a total of 15 super classes, there is a lot of variety to them and their gameplay. However, the balancing is absolutely shit. If you went hexer (the debuffer class), you wont get accepted for any boss except the first boss. You like one class? Too bad, if you didnt go the 4 meta classes (Paladin, Elementalist, Berserker and Saint), you cant do the final boss and you will probably not even be accepted for the bosses before it.

[@MrBurntington]

"So basically, if you didnt spend at the very least, 400 hours into the game, you aint getting even ACCEPTED into the party to fight the final boss." I feel bad for the people who spent that much time on a roblox game of all things, and it's not even a somewhat decent roblox game.

[@samdozmeme420]

How quaint. Waiting for a DDoS review.

[@MFPendulum]

i love how after countless DDOS's, people are finally starting to understand what's bad game design and are doing Eclipses work for him

[@abcdboz2]

I disagree with you! Great game design, (totally not playing rn) honestly Idk why I like it I just do lol. (guilty pleasure fr)

[@fakhrizimaliksyahin9029]

He's falling off for us to rise (hopefully I said that right)

[@abcdboz2]

@@fakhrizimaliksyahin9029 what is bro yapping about please exsplain

[@birdsarebetterthanu]

Blinded by your love for the game.​@@abcdboz2

[@Kat0407]

People are not finally understanding bad game design, if they did they wouldn’t justify bloxfruits as fun

[@ARandomEliatrope]

DDoS :saluting-face: Can't wait to hear bout the meltdown. Also i love to see how the kids online think the genre "Rogue-like" means "Rogue Lineage-like" LMAO.

[@airconditionerfan5427]

Yo after that comment on the yba stolen legacy video i thought you weren't gonna pop up in eclipse's comment sections anymore lol

[@Plazions]

i like how there's a cut at 17:19 between the dialogue before the cut and the dialogue after, meaning that he took a segment to just call the guy a dumbass

[@realistseconds]

can't wait to hear about a roblox dev's entire meltdown over someone just talking about their game edit: hilarious how he tries to compare his directionless game to elden ring in any capacity when elden ring not only has a tutorial but the grace sites (checkpoints/spawn points) literally point you in the direction you should go...

[@Thyfunidoge]

DDos time?

[@642ms]

same.

[@realistseconds]

​​@@Thyfunidogethe dev literally got pressed and even said eclipse "lacks critical thinking", if that doesn't sound like a meltdown to you then idk what is. ntm the community of the game has a lot of people who literally admit to just using outside sources while playing the game which shows how tone deaf the developer is... edit: this is assuming you directed that at my comment specifically, if you were just speaking in general then mb for being defensive

[@bacongaming1353]

It’s either a meltdown or an AI generated response

[@toyuu.paledll]

What? @@Thyfunidoge

[@autumnleaf8483]

This is the only thing that is holding my sanity on the platform keep up the good work!!

[@c5h87]

rolamd libabry of ruinas pfp

[@thegoldenraysoftheglorious1180]

​@@c5h87loland limgrave of ruins pfp

[@zhanglaoshi5529]

Pm fans when theres a pm pfp

[@autumnleaf8483]

@@zhanglaoshi5529 bro is speaking fax

[@Keju05]

>12:43 AM >eclipse uploads looks like i'll start ramadan hungry

[@Bernie405]

Ramadan Mubarak) (i may not be Muslim but i live in Muslim country)

[@requiem522]

Ramadan Mubarak my man

[@timoaag]

ramadan mubarak

[@d-boi9785]

Happy Ramadan dude, that looks hard.

[@Idkwhat2namemyself-f3q]

Allahu Akbar good luck.

[@intensehumanbox9662]

6:00 bro has the joy of a proffessor seeing his students finally learning something😭

[@Apolorot]

this video made the owner reflect on himself and said that next update will be looking forward to theese problems.

[@shoestork]

Doubt

[@eeveeseer]

that kid around 4:20 prob thought "rogue-like" was referencing rogue lineage or smth, which does lack that handholding, mostly he's still not correct though LMAO

[@heathcIiff_LCB]

Wasnt lineage literally hated by everyone until an actual guide came out?

[@bowldawg4394]

@@heathcIiff_LCBmost people like rogue lineage because of the information gatekeeping and toxicity

[@monkcheese6218]

@@heathcIiff_LCBdid you play the game at the time? It was probably and best and least toxic time for it

[@ikeda-ren]

@@heathcIiff_LCB it became hated after it was solved pretty quickly.

[@tamaozinnamikaze_3174]

I love your ddos videos, its really fun to watch you completly destroy braindead arguments from multiple people. Please keep them up!❤

[@josephpajarillaga6111]

domain expansion forhead surface

[@bizarrehaven]

💀💀💀💀

[@BuffSoldier_]

You shouldnt be on youtube

[@DillaQuantavious]

5x6

[@UltraNeX]

I wouldnt be talking like this when youre not even old enough for youtube and not mentioning the fact that you look like star platinum punched your teeth in

[@scrumt]

This is such a low hanging fruit joke but for some reason it tickles me

[@noctis5583]

Eclipse is great reviewer. His takes are genuinely valid. Will that stop me from playing the game? Of course not. But it’s nice to see someone else’s opinion on games.

[@Grimnoire]

Tbh, I'd rather play a good game

[@noctis5583]

@@Grimnoire uhhhhh why are you replying to a 6m/o comment? and why do you think I care?

[@Grimnoire]

@@noctis5583 The curse of anyone who leaves their shit stain on the Internet for all eternity I'm afraid. At some point in your life someone is going to share their opinions on it. If you leave your garbage around, expecting someone to read it, then everyone is entitled to at least one reply, it's the right thing to do. You're welcome. Anyway I wrote a short poem for you just now as of me typing these words: Your opinion was bad, that's very sad. Oh boo hoo, I couldn't be you. But credit where it belongs, to you I say, truly; it was brave of you to share that opinion, duely. Unfortunately it could not stave off the ops for long, for I've called them over to share in the song- Of screams as we steal your shins. Knee-caps, Jordans and Mercedes Benz! With that I bid this redditor adieu, truly, truly, I couldn't be you.

[@Bombasticone-p2q]

@@Grimnoire this is why no one loves you

[@Grimnoire]

@@noctis5583 because I can

[@VD1461]

I've gotta say with your game opinions it feels like a breath of fresh air, it feels like you just give your honest unfiltered thoughts. That was one of the reasons I enjoyed this channel, especially non roblox stuff even if it does poorly

[@allie-7567]

i used to like peroxide i guess because it was different from most games but it does have its major flaws too and people got mad when i said to them "if you need outside source the game sucks" they said using the games codes is outside source WHEN YOU CAN GET THE STUFF WITHOUT CODES

[@eviequeenie]

be real tho pe is a nightmare to grind without codes

[@JazzReaper]

​@@eviequeenieit's a nightmare to grind regardless (hollow scares me)

[@Nitrogenic]

The major flaw really only is from certain pvp mechanics and unbalances

[@Hasieur]

it got one of the worst optimization for mobile/pc the frame drop every 5 seconds is crazy that i dropped the game

[@Akodakun]

​@@Hasieur the frame rate in soul society is god awful

[@RatKage]

17:19 I love the way you just out right called him a dumbass 😭

[@Heavy-TF2]

11:10 funnily enough, you only need a wiki if you want to hypermax your character, and even then it's for weird optimizations for a bit more damage

[@Ammiad]

Alternative title: "Arcane lineage: at least dark souls has a tutorial (DDoS)"

[@dragonlord9957]

Yeah atleast in early game dark souls you can atleast see the obvious way to go and people to fight

[@Justafeint]

Tankfish?

[@Ammiad]

@@Justafeint yes

[@nicolasleal5644]

True but also there is a spell early in the game and a NPC that tells you where to go afterward. DS2 on the other hand, even though I love it. It's game design is trash ngl.

[@EyeslikeMeteors]

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[@pmkl4134]

“I consume… people are going to sound-board it.” Eclipse… that’s all they need

[@Siilver]

"but tell me, would you fix it?" "nah, i wouldn't"

[@ScrubbyDoodle]

12:09 eclipse yelling dipshit was so genuine my internet went out for about 10 seconds-

[@Kai8kai]

0:56 especially when a certsin game comes up with a "why"

[@Jason-rw9ez]

he meant the letter "Y", as in YBA

[@leanh.6196]

i literally found the berserker class trainer who is inside of a pitch black cave (and you also need to do a parkour WHILE being surrounded with darkness) before finding the tutorial npc 💀💀

[@Foolz77]

On the note of going to a carpet to talk to a goofy ball to level up, they have to be stupid to expect people to not use a wiki. Like if leveling up is that complicated, I'm automatically going to assume that everything else is going to be needlessly confusing. So if I have to play a grind fest with permadeath AND convoluted mechanics, its insane to think I'm not going to look up the answers just to get the full experience. And on that note, no hand holding CAN work. Think of Darkwood, a game that can be hard to control, has almost no explanations, and you are almost guaranteed to make mistakes that can end up lethal. But it works because you dont have to invest several hours to learn about each danger and mechanic. It works so well because you are allowed to die and not lose everything, allowing you to have the satisfaction of learning how to counter or avoid the danger in the future. Even with permadeath it can work, but only if the runs are short enough to where you can do multiple in a day so that you can properly learn about what you did wrong. (Lets not forget that no hand holding doesn't mean no tutorial. And on that note you should never be directionless, no hand holding just means you aren't directly guided through the world. You should still know where to go and have a general sense of what to do, just not the specifics. Things like not having potion recipes are awful ways of implementing no hand holding since there is no way to learn them without blind trial and error. A good version would be introducing a never seen before monsters, and having to learn how to beat it. Often by learning from your mistakes you can learn how to dodge its attacks and harm it without bashing your head against a wall.) TLDR: No hand holding can work, but it has to fit the game and have purpose, not be a time waste that forces using a wiki.

[@soomitsunami5936]

Take the binding of Isaac for example

[@Thats_Shady]

You know that floating mic really does fit right into the picture...

[@maybefunny]

Like, right after this video released I decided to try the game out for myself and quickly learned that a major update had been released which improved most of the issues, not fixed, improved. Stuff like the tutorial noc being in front of you leveling being explained better all of that good studf

[@guido1969]

Oh god, I love so much DDOS videos, lov u eclipse keep up the good work

[@Meme-po6tw]

24:23 Me in call with my friends reading someone’s username, “york ox hurts”

[@Mimankuks]

I love everytime u put The legend of zelda soundtracks into the videos. i always get so excited, just like a little child telling their mom "mommy mommy, look theres legend of zelda music!!!11!!1!!!"

[@giornogiovanna1930]

Of course it had to come sometime, they cant take critisism

[@drtempest1]

it wasn't criticism AL got tho 💀

[@giornogiovanna1930]

​@@drtempest1 I mean, AL had to make a discord post. I cant say they saw it as advice lmao

[@jarjarjake5793]

When i played deepwoken i always had 10 wiki pages open. You need the outside sources to do stuff like layer 2, duke quest or ferryman. One of these requires you to randomly find an island in the void sea and light campfires around a ritual thing.

[@Doritos20]

Ye but deepwoken actually hooks u in to play more

[@kuronya3582]

​@@Doritos20 and how it denies problem of lack of ingame information :/

[@nguyenhuuhiep1505]

@@kuronya3582correct but in defense of shitwoken: The game encourage you to “DIE” so you can unlock now origin, boons, attunements and buff for your next life while im lvl 20 in arcane lineage and a death is a death there no advantages to your next life so it is not a rogue game. A rogue game allow user to have a massive advantage of knowledge and ingame buff to your next life after the first one dead. I was devasted in my first death in Shitwoken (power 13) but I discovered that the game open a whole new path to it and those paths make the game way more fun than the first life. From your word I can tell you haven’t played Deepwoken, then I would recommend it for you, its really fun but the playerbase is one of the most toxic one out there. 😅

[@WonderofDAMNITDAVE]

I think they where going for a game where you just fuck around and find out, though even if they did a tutorial for things like leveling up and a few other things should be mandatory.

[@fishfood8711]

that works for some games, but definitely not this one

[@WonderofDAMNITDAVE]

The fuck around find out part or tutorial?

[@PeeperSnail]

Finding a youtuber and community that actually criticize this trend of Roblox devs thinking bad, purposefully frustrating game design = good and everyone who disagrees needs to git gud is a breath of fresh air

[@historicflame972]

I think one of the main reasons people oppose net positive change is a feeling of elitism You see this around games of the same type; since they've gotten through the game's pitfalls and flaws, seeing a newer player not have to deal with that, unless they benefit in some way, tends to get people annoyed and breed a sentiment that newer players are being "coddled"

[@radium6962]

Recently found your channel and it's great; finally seeing someone who actually criticizes Roblox games like these is refreshing.. and I'm surprised I didn't find channel sooner. Keep up the great work [and I like your other content too, obviously].

[@Geijin1]

Roblox devs when they realize “little handholding” doesn’t mean “don’t tell the player shit”: 😱😱😱🤯🤯🤯

[@Nextquestionisfrom]

18:32 Hey look! The tutorial NPC💀

[@chadano7215]

No views in 7 seconds? Eclipse fell off

[@SpinnerRedDragonNano]

When your goat washed 💔

[@Wickedrogueplayer]

0 likes in 0.0001 nanoiseconds? chadano fell off

[@ZenCakkes]

​@@Wickedrogueplayer who?

[@welcomehihello]

@@ZenCakkes let me guess, asked?

[@pr3sken664]

Sad to see him falling off 😭

[@Bebopbleh]

I fucking loves pursuit coming in while he roast the "3/4 hand holding video" guy

[@survivorfive]

eclipse with the fire choice of music in his videos, love the starcraft music too

[@gyrfalconhawk8120]

He went full stupid… you never go full stupid…

[@Snatch_Kid]

Hi! I think your video brought up some great points, and this one too. I do enjoy the game but it definitely has some flaws, and my standards are low anyways A tutorial is a standard for any game, I'd rather have too many tutorials than 0 for a game filled with many things and large maps. I don't think smaller games such as the mentioned isaac or dead cells need too many tutorials since they're mostly small game with simple controls (also they HAVE a tutorial, isaac tells you the controls at the very least, imagine booting up the game and having to search up how to use a bomb) and the tutorial NPC doesnt even give much in AL, some basic info and a quest to kill 3 slimes (which you cant even take if you're level 4 or above) Needing to check the wiki for every simple task is also a bad thing, like did you know enemies have resistances to attacks? Well thats because you need to specifically go the beastmaster subclass and kill enemies with the mark move to THEN view their stats in your book which you cannot view if you're not the beastmaster class AND it resets if you permanently die. No tutorials for a large RPG just leaves the player thinking "what am i supposed to do?" "What are these people talking about?" "What am I doing wrong?" I wouldn't mind if for, let's say potion brewing, you'd get a notebook that lets you mark down potion recipes you find, perhaps from enemies who leave scattered pages such as the thieves and cursed corpses. For those who want fun turn based RPGs that dont require you to search up a ton of stuff I'd reccomend a few - Paper mario: The thousand year door (remake out soon so there you go) - Bug fables - Adventure story (hey! this one is on roblox and actually gives you a tutorial! sadly discontinued but it has good mileage either way) - Final fantasy 7 (as mentioned in the video) - The mario and luigi series (my favourite is dream team :) ) It's not a crime to enjoy a flawed game. It's not a crime to dislike a good game. It's ok to listen to the flaws of your favorite games and go "Yea, actually, this COULD be improved" and it's ok to listen to all the good things of a game and go "That sounds nice but it's not for me." That's about all I have to say for now, have a good day sir.

[@Darealfalcon]

5:40 bro I have never heard his voice like that before lmao

[@SaintOfTheEebyDeeby]

I'd like to see Eclipse play pilgrammed.

[@mmfreshmeat2860]

deepwoken but worse, instead maybe try verdant moon, the progenitor to rogue games on roblox

[@gurenge999]

@@mmfreshmeat2860 pilgrammed isnt anything like deepwoken

[@ascendedegg4668]

r u flat out stupid@@mmfreshmeat2860

[@S1ayer585.]

@@mmfreshmeat2860*rouge league but worst

[@mmfreshmeat2860]

@@S1ayer585. at least eclipse could talk about the ways it inspired games like deepwoken, compared to pilgrammed which is just the ABD of rogue games

[@NebulaRuben]

eclipse really went from the quest board npc to the doctor without seeing the tutorial npc...

[@Insanearc]

Exactly The game takes literally 0 initiative to even START YOU OFF that's not "not handholding" That's just throwing you into the game with literally nothing Seriously do you mfs not watch the video before yapping whatever garbage comes out of your mouth? 16:34 He literally addresses this, and let me address this again THERE SHOULD BE A PROPER TUTORIAL A new player has NO CLUE as to what is going on in the game. SERIOUSLY. Make your NPC BE SUPER HIGHLIGHTED and use common sense and keep them CLOSE TO THE PLAYER'S STARTING SPAWN(which is done but there is NO INDICATION???? WTF????), that isn't handholding if you're gonna make that argument, that's literally basic common sense Even then, why not FORCE a tutorial? Why the hell would you use some random unnamed npc instead of actually forcing a tutorial out at the very start? Also THE TUTORIAL NPC SPAWNS BEHIND YOU???? BAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAH

[@rayless89]

eclipse would LOVE type soul

[@zeroisamage]

Honestly watching him dog on any of the bleach games on roblox would be funny af

[@justsomeguythatmanipulated1069]

Wait till he finds the rabbit hole that was 2022-2024 bleach games 😭

[@eviequeenie]

id love to see him rip type soul apart i hated that game so bad

[@boo-narrative]

bleach games evolved from bleach primera copies to type soul copies (crazy)

[@evellol2059]

he would LOVE it in a GOOD way of course 😂😂

[@YeetusThePotGuy]

11:00 that sentence reminds me of a meme quote: "atleast elden ring has a tutorial"

[@agent5981]

Everybody gangster till eclipse whips out the flowchart

[@clownintraining5944]

DDOS in this title really feels like it's saying "DDOS attack" until i realized i am the daily dose of stupid

[@BX--nq6gf]

This isn't the game giving you a lack of handholding- it's more like your parents refusing to feed you or take you to school.

[@Heavy-TF2]

3:45 how does someone even confuse Arcane Lineage with Rogue Lineage???

[@ReRoji]

There must be something wrong with me because watching eclipse complain about how bad the game with makes me want to play the game.

[@TheOpeningDay]

I'm sorry to hear that

[@HiAgainTheNameIsStillAyle]

It's called morbid curiosity

[@miguelpaulo3125]

10:45 im pretty sure i saw a "fix game pls" and "0 IQ" written in reactions.

[@vescindul]

Tiger Uppercut

[@Jetrah7061]

Tiger Uppercut

[@nicolasleal5644]

Tiger Uppercut

[@Akodakun]

Tiger Uppercut

[@Inverted_]

Tiger Uppercut

[@Whyyoulookingatmyhandle-hx2jt]

Stumbled upon this randomly, pure gold.

[@tele_epic]

I would classify this in the checklist game genre. I really like these types of games where you go in the wiki search for something and spend the next 5 hours getting materials to acquire it, my most played games are terraria and risk of rain 2 and for terraria half my time on the game is on mod wikis and stuff like that, people who plays these games dont play them for anything but grinding for materials to get stronger with a guide. (for arcane lineage) the gameplay is mid the world SUCKS the story isnt a thing but the grinding is half fun its not just lvl up repeatedly and get new moves you can do things in different orders, you can get new weapons, and you can make unbalanced to shit builds with a bunch of trial and error. i will say its not the best game in this genre but it gets the job done.

[@thatoneguy7126]

Wow, that soundtrack was absolute bliss to listen to. Great video as always Eclipse.

[@ragedgrunt]

Every game developer can say, "It's your fault." It takes a real game developer to say, "It's my fault." That's why we don't see it often, they don't want to realize that if players are going to a wiki to figure out the game, and it's a majority, then YOU didn't make in game resources available to them. Now I play tons of elden ring, and my first few playthroughs I play by myself and explore, and then I use the wiki to come up with cool builds, never did I have to go to the elden ring wiki to figure out how to equip my flasks, or how to craft, or where to level up. It was for specific items that would buff me a certain way and combine to make a cool build. Eclipse isn't fighting wikis overall, he's fighting for games to explain their most basic mechanics which would allow you to play, I could sit my mom in front of elden ring and she'd eventually make it through, if I sat her in front of any of these roblox games she'd have no idea what's going on, and I wouldn't be able to help her because it's not intuitive and it's not explained.

[@causedgalaxy1018]

I cannot imagine shuffling through all those comments and not get a headache from it. Your doing incredible work to put stupidity on a spotlight and call out what spews out of their mouths.

[@infinitekleal5167]

It would actually be so funny if the devs were the hate comments trying to defend the game

[@zeroideas3722]

eclipse sure does have some angry video game nerd energy, he's quite based

[@Oxtonwu]

No handholding games is so fucking stupid, It's like EVENY Roblox JoJo game FUCKING EVER, JUST MAKE A TUTORIAL NPC ITS NOT FUCKING HARD.

[@astrocus9547]

Its a type of game that many enjoy, if you cannot overcome the trial it creates, dont play it and go play another game.

[@dominicballinger6536]

​@astrocus9547 you mean people enjoy objectively badly made games that are too lazy to help new players get through and enjoy it? I don't doubt that, but don't you think that it can be hard AND be easy enough to get into? Like Castlevania or Elden Ring?

[@nobodybutsomebody61]

after not seeing even the half of the video id really like to see eclipse playing "Lore Game"

[@cha0s.198]

Major correct, "rogue-like" is in reference to a game that allows you to get power ups and tools that will help you in the next life Rogue lineage was a rogue like because you were able to get edits for your character. Every other game on Roblox thinks a "rogue-like" is a perma death game with pvp, i cant even explain how many time ive seen rogue like slapped on a game that is more a adventure pvp. So how does the game being a rogue like excuse the lack of tutorials? Rogue like doesnt = hard game, rogue like = creating a new character with powers or abilities from your old characters Binding of Issac Cult of the lamb All rogue likes with digestable tutorials.

[@daniiii888]

Rogue like is just a perma death game. Rogue lite is a game with "meta progression" as in when you die you can get stuff to make your next life better. The term rogue like used to be more about those turn based games where you fight enemies and get loot and stuff to beat some final boss but now its practically anything with perma death and some random aspect

[@maqvy]

They think giving the players basic and must-know information about the mechanics of the game is "hand-holding" and now they resorted to throwing you blind in a game without even the slightest clue on what to do and call it a day

[@daniiii888]

​@@maqvy cause everyone knows that the most fun way to learn is to just push buttons and see what happens

[@okzyzz]

Roblox “rogue likes” misuse the genre name serially. Most of the time when I see a “rogue like” it’s a boring uninspired rogue lineage clone with terrible game design excused by their chosen game “genre”.

[@ikeda-ren]

rogue lineage was never a roguelike, not a good one at least

[@nacun4740]

eclipse when it takes 0.0002 nanoseconds to do a wiki search:yeah buddy ur its over for you (but honestly trying explore arcane lineage is the equivalent of me gouging my eyes)

[@temp-x8518]

Elden ring has a tutorial and literally explains all the basics, and the graces literally show u an arrow on how to progress the story i don't think the dev has played the game at all💀💀

[@daansey4799]

It's really cool to see how Eclipse's channel has evolved into more a Roblox game-review type channel. Maybe in the future reviewing games off Roblox will get just as much views as reviewing the games on Roblox!

[@Mortomi]

Things a trello should be used for - Update logs, and current update progress - Planned features - Update roadmaps - Listing bugs Things you should NOT use a trello for - literally everything else

[@ramon1500]

I mean, not really. It's not the trello or wiki's fault for giving information. They have their place. I'd argue wikidiver games still have their own place, for example, Terraria. Arcane lineage is just INSANELY reliant on them. There's 0 fun you can have without using the wiki. Even in Terraria you can still progress through pre-hardmode and still have some fun without the wiki. You should at least be able to go through the beginning stages of a game without consulting the wiki.

[@Mortomi]

@@ramon1500 Im not saying it’s a trello’s fault, it’s nice SOMEWHERE has this info, im saying literally everything else should be an ingame resource. You can find every terraria crafting recipe without using a wiki, it’s called the guide npc. You can also find every single drop rate, from the bestiary. Wikis should never be necessary to find ingame mechanics in any situation. However, update logs aren’t ingame mechanics, so I personally see them as fine. I played through terraria many times without ever consulting a wiki, because there was no need to.

[@ramon1500]

@@Mortomi "Literally everything else" is a bit excessive don't you think? Even the terraria beastiary and guide doesn't have information on which biome chest does this accessory spawn in or even how to summon the Wall of Flesh and Duke Fishron. Just telling basic or essential information is enough, there no need for such intense detail. Having that much detail wouldn't even work in some genres of games. To have everything in the wiki be in-game also is an unbelievably demanding task and defeats the whole purpose of there being wikis.

[@Mortomi]

@@ramon1500 yes, it does in fact defeat the whole purpose of the wiki. my point is, that’s a good thing. also the guide literally does tell you about the wall of flesh???? it’s one of his messages, he literally says you need to sacrifice something. and, to top that, he even says "I've heard reports of a very strange worm in the underground mushroom fields. I wonder if it would be any good as bait?" You’re just wrong. Literally just wrong. And, just as the guide does, you don’t need an exact description of everything present at a moment’s notice in a game. An offhand npc comment about a puzzle, a percentage rarity below the item you obtained when you get it, a hint of how to summon a boss people would miss, or literally anything but out of game resources.

[@OGKaramAnimates]

3:35 LOL "skull skull alright so we know how old this dude is"

[@Lava_Lazy]

225 views in 1 minute? Eclipse back on 🗣️🔊🔥🔥🔥

[@Victorkronoss]

🗣

[@carnegaming571]

We are so barack

[@haridevvengala9415]

Eclipse should have a video of what his ideal game needs so he can put it in the i card every single video.

[@kencarsongoomba62]

eclipse gyat oiled up

[@vekazu_is_great_guy]

Real

[@Insanearc]

ok you need help

[@AlienTheInvader]

Hope I see this

[@Bernie405]

​@@Insanearc Oh man i agree...

[@lim9933]

Amen brother

[@IamtheThrongler]

eclipse pulling out the "news flash buddy" is not something i expected for my monday morning

[@plain6893]

Classic Nuova. platform battles better trust.

[@Thehotdogisdead]

“You shouldn’t have to look things up “- Eclipse 6:15 Blox fruits in question

[@horrayiguess]

Blox Fruit*

[@Rift_cz_sk]

I am also stupid For different reasons

[@c5h87]

ok

[@faaridfarooq]

The last influencer with actual high morals and standards for Roblox games. You are doing great work Eclipse

[@Dep0754]

Make a new genre called wikilike

[@roaqua]

This would be like board games coming with no instructional sheet and just comes with a sheet that says "Figure it out bro"

[@Trymantic]

The no hand holding thing makes sense, just phrased terribly. It's to influence exploring and blind playthroughs to truly experience the world as intended. This is my opinion , but a linear experience that tells you verbatim where to go is just a tad bit boring. (Think Elden Ring, probably alot cooler if you don't watch guides to lead you. No tutorial is silly tho)

[@isnotbaldeagle4580]

The thing is that in AL the map is very barren and big for no reason, and the enemy encounter is annoying while exploring, so finding a guide to the place you need to go is just the natural thing to do. Which it really shouldn’t be

[@ender377]

@@isnotbaldeagle4580 I absolutely agree. Every time I go into the dessert area, I wonder how empty the map would look if the fog effect were to be removed.

[@kuronya3582]

When information is purposely hidden from player is bad design and elden ring is clearest example of that

[@Megustaelcafe413]

There are like 5 classess 1 of them being a base class hidden throught a parkour so badly done that it feels like you are getting punished for wanting to get that class

[@negacatn254]

I need to see eclipse forehead oiled up.

[@lumi_rune]

That comment just changed my life.

[@thegoldenraysoftheglorious1180]

​@@lumi_runerealized that you could always be worse eh?

[@lumi_rune]

@@thegoldenraysoftheglorious1180 exactly

[@RealLifeLoner]

NAWHH WHAT

[@A1919k1]

But eclipse, little to no handholding! Think eclipse! Rouge like!

[@troyvanderpluijm4590]

game devs when they get fair criticism (its obviously all hate)

[@СтражПеченек]

18:40 why bro going nuts about simple decision to stand still and look around

[@goofyAhh714]

Eclipse fell off again (no likes in 0 nanoseconds)

[@Tomato_Destroyer]

Real

[@goofyAhh714]

@@Tomato_Destroyer Real.

[@someyeeterontheblock2421]

My quote that hass been sadly quite applicable to a lot of situations is "Roblox devs and bad decisions go hand in hand."