‘This is about control’: Arizona lawmakers block repeal of 1864 abortion ban

Arizona State Senator Anna Hernandez joins Katy Tur to discuss Arizona Republicans blocking the repeal of the state's 1864 abortion ban that was reinstated.
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#arizona #abortionlaw #abortionrights

[@TheTishy44]

GOP are so stupid….this is lose lose lose for them, but yet they never learn.

[@user-dc4uo2sh1t]

That's not true

[@karenwhite4453]

​@@user-dc4uo2sh1tIt is true, they will not force their views on the rest of us

[@madge2114]

No credence for opensociety777 or anyone else who uses children as weapons.

[@karenwhite4453]

@@TheOpenSociety777 We are no longer phased by those terms!! I've had 2 abortions and never been charged with murder

[@monpayscanada]

@@TheOpenSociety777 oh Pooh Pooh. If I hadn’t terminated an unplanned pregnancy after a birth control mistake, I never would have finished school, got a good job and then had 2 kids on MY timeline not “gods “. Thanks abortion provider for saving my good life.

[@DavidJ222]

The results of referendum votes on abor tions so far: Michigan-- pro-choice Vermont-- pro-choice Ohio-- pro-choice Kansas-- pro-choice California-- pro-choice Kentucky-- pro-choice That's 6 - 0 We the people have spoken, and we will continue to speak. 🇺🇸💪.

[@markkozlowski3674]

Not to mention a state supreme court election in Wisconsin in which abortion was effectively the only issue which resulted in a landslide victory for the pro-choice candidate. And legislative elections in Virginia in which abortion was by far the primary issue which resulted in a GOP rout.

[@ernestavocado5522]

So you're saying that you're satisfied with it being a state issue?

[@TooBadThatDidntKillMe]

Next, Arizona rules that women are properties of their father or husband and cannot own property.

[@TheOpenSociety777]

OMG so true !!! As a democrat male I feel it's so horrific that I can't stop weeping right now. I'm going to snuggle with my cats and drink my favorite boxed wine tonight and hope our democracy can still be saved. 💙💙

[@markkozlowski3674]

There might be a wee bit of a Fourteenth Amendment problem with that.

[@gordonause6956]

And lose the vote too.

[@markkozlowski3674]

@@TheOpenSociety777 If you are thinking of making a career change in order to go into stand-up comedy, I would urge you not to quit your present job just yet.

[@DeAnnaG_KissingFrogsMedia]

Women couldn't hold a bank account, have a credit card or get a drivers license or own property without their father's or husband's signature until like the 1970's or 80's in some states. Widowers, and single women almost had to PROVE they were not married or that there was no male in their lives to open a bank account, and then usually had to hire an accountant to do it for her so that there were a set of male eyes going over her finances. In some states, women STILL can't have their tubes tied, or have a hysterectomy without a male signature to this day. Roe v Wade or not.

[@mosesnabea4308]

Lol in short, Arizona will be Democrat come November

[@YesPlease-qj8nv]

When you import the developing World you'll become the developing world

[@ernestavocado5522]

How do you figure? The last time I checked this is a state issue.

[@Sendu7]

Trump is responsible for this tragic mess.

[@DavidJ222]

I think politicians should be able to decide whether or not a man can have a vasectomy or not. Its only fair. 😅

[@kathyweis7451]

Hey David, I wonder if the judges, the GQP can be sued for practicing medicine without a license or medical malpractice......

[@DavidJ222]

​@@kathyweis7451 Hi Kathy!! That's a great point. 💙😎👍

[@nerdaterp]

It's fair, but it will not happen. The reason why? Most of the politicians are old white men. They don't want their rights taken away from them. They have no problem taking away the rights of women. Got to love the double standard

[@kathyweis7451]

@@DavidJ222 😎💙

[@Bearhammer83]

I can’t believe the republicans stopped minorities and democrats from ending their offspring. I think we should come together and insist more abortion clinics in low income areas and in major cities. Incentivize the clientele with Popeyes coupons and “hate has no home here” merch.

[@user-ug3hb1nn2c]

Disgusting.

[@wordforever117]

What is disgusting about it?

[@ernestoxavier5426]

Don't ever forget who we're the ones that did this and overturn Roe versus Wade, whether pro-choices is on the ballot or not is irrelevant, "Women of America" if you want your rights back, not to mention keeping their freaking hands off of our social security, healthcare and entitlements, Vote straight ticket Democrat. 100% Biden /Harris 2024

[@truthsayer1356]

This!👏 Maga forgets or is willfully blind that the Repubs will take all of those programs they are or will depend on! Mango Mussolini said it himself!

[@ernestavocado5522]

So explain to me what has Biden and Democrats done to restore it? They've been in power for 4 years and haven't even put in a good effort.

[@ernestavocado5522]

Most states are unaffected by it being overturned. Most allow it at the state level. What will be on the ballot this Nov are real federal issues like inflation, border security, global conflicts, gas prices.

[@jahwalks]

The world’s religion deem women as lesser humans, every single one.

[@bosshogg95SLT]

not at all women are wonderful and give life .. why cant they just make better choices when it comes to making babies before they are ready to be parents or if they arent in a good financial place .. why has abortion become the new birth control

[@markkozlowski3674]

Not the Shakers, a Christian sect founded by a woman, Ann Lee.

[@karenwhite4453]

​@@bosshogg95SLTI got pregnant on birth control by my husband. What better choice should I have made? This issue isn't black and white like some men seem to think. There are a lot of factors, no two pregnancies are the same.

[@rensinclair4218]

Gross, dude​@@bosshogg95SLT

[@bosshogg95SLT]

@@rensinclair4218 abortion is definitely about choice just not the one women want it to be

[@balrog322]

Life gets ever uglier in the Disunited States of America.

[@oscarsalgado1238]

Arizona will never turn red again!!

[@user-dc4uo2sh1t]

Wait for it

[@markkozlowski3674]

For more than twenty years, brilliant people such as myself argued that the overturning of Roe v. Wade would be a disaster for the Republican Party. How right we were

[@bosshogg95SLT]

not at all .. now states get to figure out how to implement theyre own process as intended roe v wade should have never been a precedent to begin with

[@karenwhite4453]

​@@bosshogg95SLTAnd the states are losing and Republicans are going to lose bad come November

[@markkozlowski3674]

@@bosshogg95SLT Well, that certainly explains why the Dobbs decision did nothing to stop that massive Red Wave in the 2022 midterm elections.

[@TheOpenSociety777]

​@@karenwhite4453As a lifelong democrat male I'm getting my Fallopian tubes all tied up trying to convince my wife's pregnant boyfriend to vote for Joe Biden !!!! 🫐😰👥👗🌀🌊

[@kirklarson4536]

I don't think most republicans even WANTED Roe overturned. They've lost it as issue to rile the base and now they are receiving the backlash that will likely lose them elections and get Roe codified into law.

[@briancoughlin6732]

Arizona wasn't even a state yet

[@markkozlowski3674]

When it became a state, however, in 1912, the state legislature adapted all of the statutes passed by the former territorial legislature. In addition, women have been able to vote in Arizona since 1912, before the passage of the Nineteenth Amendment.

[@Doc5thMech]

@@markkozlowski3674 The original note was not passed as a state law, and was never voted on. It was not even a statute. It was one man’s written opinion.

[@k.wi.7991]

If they are so eager to fall back onto an 1864 law they should also make sure that the law is applied within the territorial borders of 1864. Just to keep on being stupid and stir the pot in southern Nevada😅

[@V1brationCanine]

Psychopaths shouldn't be allowed in government.

[@TheOpenSociety777]

The dying sanctuary cities I've been run by democrats for decades🎉🎉🎉

[@wtfisthishandlebulIshit]

​@TheOpenSociety777 I live in a sanctuary city in a red state. We're constantly over performing in all economic areas.

[@jessicap5513]

Well, they aren't allowed in the circus anymore, so where should they go?

[@glenjohnson5323]

Fitting since Republicans want to bring us back to the 19th century.

[@truesouthdesigns4304]

If you want your personal freedoms back, you will need to Vote out the Guilty Of Perjury party (GOP)

[@mattw7949]

Maybe the states should push the decision down to the counties... who should push it down to... I dunno... that actual women involved? That's just crazy talk. Some people might even see that as freedom.

[@snovismom]

Vote republicans out!!!!

[@prajnachan333]

MSNBC- PLEEEASE don't make us suffer Velshi anymore, over, and over, and over, and over again and again and again. Do people really need a class for getting and using an app?! How many times must they be told? My god, what is happening,!

[@janwoodworth1]

You know what to do, Ladies....

[@wordforever117]

The pro-life movement is mainly female led

[@Iconoclasher]

My question is did the AZ Supreme Court rule on this because of personal bias or because the law is on the books. If it's because it's still a law then it should be enforced. It's the legislature's job to remove any laws that are no longer relevant today.

[@MaryLopez-em3rc]

Boycott Arizona, don’t visit there, don’t move there, don’t perform there, don’t go to school there, don’t play sports there, doctors should leave.

[@watchinginaz]

This straight white male lives here and loves it. Seethe

[@Lesliewilson-cu6yh]

The doctors will be leaving Arizona followed by the women followed by the men that still love women..yeah.. Arizona will be the desert it was meant to be.

[@e-man1634]

Vote this Roevember and let Republicans know the PEOPLE are in charge, not them.

[@frankmyers1097]

Next Arizona will rule women can't drive or vote citing an 1800s law.

[@Shskfjekdnf38587]

Every time the SCOTUS cites a constitutional amendment from the Bill of Rights, they’re citing a law from 1788.

[@gab4690]

What about all the pregnant men?

[@mikelofky587]

men can't get pregnant only women.

[@Lesliewilson-cu6yh]

We should pass a bill that every male born in the United States be subject to reversible vasectomy on their 17th birthday! Men can impregnate women Everytime they lay down..women once a month..I think it's time to regulate the sources don't you? Mandatory reversible vasectomies!!!!

[@user-ij6vg8xq2r]

Restore Roe! (AND give men their rightfully separate decision-making power.)

[@stoopidpursun8140]

Total misrepresentation. The law in question addresses not only abortion, but many other things that are still the law of the land. Repealing it would therefore repeal those things too, and would leave abortion completely unaddressed one way or the other. This was a publicity stunt because no sane lawmaker would have seriously opted to repeal the law. A new law addressing abortion should be put before the state congress, since the legislature of Arizona has never bothered to do so in 160 years. But democrats are all about spectacle, not solutions.

[@Bill-im6nt]

One would presume the Comstead Act's other components are also now law of the land in Arizona. Such as the Age of Consent being 10 years old. I haven't looked further.

[@vforwombat9915]

hey everyone, msnbc had a newa nd annoying ad.

[@erichnoll874]

I knew this was going to happen when I saw both Trump and Hannity saying "Oh they'll fix it in just a few days, just watch." This is a perfect demonstration of Cons "taking care of it".

[@TheHsubh]

Women, we need to leave. I don't want to be where I'm not valued.

[@gizzy4772]

STOP GASLIGHTING! Each state has their own laws on abortion. Presides have nothing to do with it!

[@ketanjibrownsfavemolester7592]

YEA BABIES !!!...👈😁👍

[@LittleRedDorrit-lc5cm]

How many shackles of silver does a Christian father currently receive when he sells his daughter into a Christian marriage?

[@wordforever117]

It is "shekels" - nice to see you are bothered about making sure you know what you are talking about before commenting

[@elvisfakicomedy7223]

Arizona for God

[@jimjohnston526]

Ladies.. think before you spread. Common sense.

[@corgising5606]

When will men stop telling women what to do?

[@Shskfjekdnf38587]

You mean like pressuring them to get an abortion?

[@corgising5606]

@@Shskfjekdnf38587 Huh? No one is pressuring women to get an abortion.

[@Shskfjekdnf38587]

@@corgising5606 That happens all the time. What are you talking about?

[@corgising5606]

@@Shskfjekdnf38587 Who pressures them besides the baby daddy?

[@Shskfjekdnf38587]

@@corgising5606 That’s enough.

[@Commonsenseiscommonsense]

If males could get pregnant, we wouldn't even have this issue.

[@Shskfjekdnf38587]

Why’s that?

[@bruceneu8588]

I would like to know this myself.

[@rjlchristie]

Your problems stem from religion, not from politics. Adopt Bronze Age fantasies and values and this is what you get.

[@wordforever117]

It is not the bible that says that human life begins at fertilisation...it is proven through scientific discovery

[@rjlchristie]

@@wordforever117 A fertilised egg is not a viable human being, no more than any other isolated human cell is. But besides, only those with losing arguments turn to disputes over definitions. By the way, the bible says snakes and donkeys can talk, that zombies rose from graves and worked around. Rational people dismiss it as a reliable source on most things.

[@wordforever117]

@@rjlchristie Are you denying that it is a scientifically proven fact that human life begins at fertilisation? Would you like to review the 13 or so references I have to embryology textbooks and scientific research papers that confirm this fact?

[@rjlchristie]

@@wordforever117 Viable human life does not begin at fertilization. The zygote is simply a group of human cells with the potential to develop into a sentient, viable human being. The debate, if there is one to be had, is at what stage does an incomplete, undeveloped and unviable bunch of human cell tissue become a complete, functioning and viable human being. Only morons simplify the issues is the way that you do.

[@chrisblake8798]

Vote those republicans out of off vote blue Arizona

[@Lance0714]

War is a procedure to end life. Abortion a procedure actually saves lives. Y or N ?

[@rmrtnzstn]

That's Right...VOTE BLUE and stay Safe & Free!!!!

[@Lesliewilson-cu6yh]

Mandatory vasectomies for all males born in the united states on the 17th birth date..prevent unwanted pregnancies!

[@ItsMikeSandovalsYouTubeChannel]

going back in time to own the Libs

[@anthonyg.4761]

The whole abortion debate is about control and irresponsibility.

[@wordforever117]

Is it not a biological fact that life begins at fertilisation?

[@anthonyg.4761]

@@wordforever117 Not what I was saying. I was saying “choice” was never taken away and neither was abortion it’s just more inconvenient now as it should be.

[@wordforever117]

@@anthonyg.4761 Ok but what is the answer to my question?

[@avishevin1976]

Yes, republicans are both controlling and irresponsible.

[@avishevin1976]

@@wordforever117 Is it not a biological fact that biological facts don't matter when it comes to the legality of abortion?

[@johnlandrigan6578]

Every state gets to decide abortion for themselves. no woman is banned from an abortion just not forcing any doctor to perform an abortion. Just go to california new York Illinois abortion friendly states. Forcing ANY state or ANY doctor to do an abortion is disgusting and wrong.

[@titsmcghee8688]

No doctors have been forced to perform an abortion.

[@Shskfjekdnf38587]

@@titsmcghee8688No, just women.

[@StacyInLove1]

Republicans

[@d12tu68]

🔵🔵🔵🔵👍👍

[@ChristianNationalist891]

I love control...

[@blondhairblackstrat]

"Never had control---only thought you did---" (Hannibal Lechter, Silence of the Lambs).

[@turdferguson3475]

One of the left's biggest lies. No one wants to control women's bodies. That doesn't even make sense. People who oppose abortion do so because they consider it to be murder. I have to wonder about the mentality of those who fall for the "control" propaganda.

[@avishevin1976]

But it's not murder. This is obvious fact. It is entirely about control and we can see that because the same people also want to ban contraception and they want abortion to be illegal even when the fetus is already dead.

[@Shskfjekdnf38587]

@@avishevin1976It absolutely is murder. It is a new human person from the moment of conception. Refute me.

[@Shskfjekdnf38587]

@@avishevin1976You implicitly acknowledge that a fetus is alive in the womb in normal circumstances. Oops!

[@avishevin1976]

@@Shskfjekdnf38587 How is that an oops?

[@dallasbites]

DEMOCRATS WE MUST BE REGISTERED AND VOTE BLUE SAVE AMERICA 🇺🇸 💙 PRO CHOICE 💙 MUST STOP MAGA TRAITORS AND THE HATERS OF AMERICAN DEMOCRACY 💙 EVERY VOTE COUNTS 🇺🇸 💙 REPUBLICANS NOVEMBER IS COMMING AND WE WILL REMEMBER

[@jackiealba5421]

We need to hold Men accountable also. They go to jail also if a Woman gets an abortion or just snip them ..Takes 2 to make a baby... Only one has to go through the pregnancy...And Like my father... Walk away..... .. Vote Blue 💙

[@Crash1025Bandicoot7]

Trump 2024 Save America 🇺🇸 - secure border - prospering economy - strong military - pro 1st and 2nd amendment - pro small business - pro democracy - pro America First - low inflation and interest rates

[@jackiealba5421]

HE didn't serve. Traitor. My father has a Purple Heart Vietnam Veteran. He was Spit On and called a baby killer. Nixon and the Republicans. Look up Ron Kovic Paralyzed Vietnam Veteran... The Movie Born On the 4th of July. He doesn't know the Sacrifice.

[@cultureal9544]

Trump fantasies fan

[@italiansoldierfromww2460]

'Pro America First' pretty sure his order is 1. Russia 2. Israel 3. USA.

[@kennyc6597]

It's now up to the states as intended.

[@avishevin1976]

Who intended the right of bodily autonomy to be up to the states? The US fought a civil war over that and the "up to the states" side lost.

[@kennyc6597]

@@avishevin1976 The civil war was over abortion?

[@bosshogg95SLT]

people really dont like to have personal accountability do they

[@meh8982]

So if you have a miscarriage and can't get medical treatment because it's too close to an "abortion," that's because of your "personal accountability"? Your statement doesn't even touch the reality of this horrendous mess.

[@karenwhite4453]

It's not your business

[@wtfisthishandlebulIshit]

Key word: PERSONAL

[@avishevin1976]

The people who choose abortion are accountable to themselves, not some bigoted Christian they didn't even vote for.

[@Karma-dr8ky]

Arizona ladies do listen to your intuition and do not vote Trump republicans if you value your freedom

[@briancoughlin6732]

It's only the common sense way states rights, states choice and it makes people think before their flings

[@wtfisthishandlebulIshit]

Human rights vioIations are happening.

[@karenwhite4453]

I got pregnant on birth control by my husband. But I expect a comment like this from a man.

[@briancoughlin6732]

@@karenwhite4453 what is the percentage that is happening you shouldn't turn something That doesn't happen very often ,again listening to less than 1 percent of population about something happening and we all have to change because of ONE PERSON well crap on that

[@karenwhite4453]

@@briancoughlin6732 I don't know and I don't care. I will not be forced to carry a fetus to term that I don't want!!! I will live my life the way I want. I refuse to have more children. I have all that I want!!!

[@vercoda9997]

There's Brian, still busy shaming the Irish name he's hiding behind. Hey Brian - you're *Not* one of us. Change your name, so you can troll without stinking up Irish values!

[@TheOpenSociety777]

Have you seen the current condition of these "sanctuary" cities ?? How does the mass migration of illegals looking for work help the out-of-work American Black man and his family ?

[@vercoda9997]

Just looked through your other comments. My, my, my, you're a busy troll.

[@chucksucks8640]

I want a clean repeal the arizona income tax.

[@anton69ize]

OH YEAH!!! YOU GOTTA TAKE A DEMOCRAT WITH DYED MAROON HAIR,SERIOUSLY!!😆😆😆😆😆

[@LittleRedDorrit-lc5cm]

You are so right... lets go with the Orange Satan worshiping Christian.

[@d12tu68]

abortion is not NOT the publics business only a womans 🌸🌸🌸🟪🟪🟪

[@elvisfakicomedy7223]

Arizona for God

[@madge2114]

Claiming to know when God grants Life is blasphemy. That said, I could not worship any god that sadistically bestows a soul upon fetal tissue destined to be aborted. I like to think life for any human being begins when it's wanted. So it's conceivable that castrating a boy could be considered a special act of murder against his future children. But if a man abandons his Sperm in a fallow womb, there should be no recourse if it gets aborted unless it's against him. For him, Life begins with Sperm.

[@johannkarsten]

What?

[@Shskfjekdnf38587]

Life begins at conception. What do you think conception is? 😂

[@AthenaKeatingThomas]

The only problem with a prolonged struggle against the Republicans about abortion is that while time passes, there are women being affected by the 1864 law. I'm really looking forward to seeing lots of states like Arizona turn blue on November 5th!

[@Shskfjekdnf38587]

There are also many children in the womb being affected by the law, in that they’re being allowed to live now.

[@danidiaz2377]

[@elephantfordinner]

I see now that this is really about secretly controlling women. Fool that I was I thought it was about preventing innocent children from being killed.

[@madge2114]

Women from places that don't ban abortion are less likely to have one. Contrary to what one might assume, the lives of the unborn are best protected by supporting free and safe access to all forms of contraception, including abortion.

[@cultureal9544]

Oh look, the dude comments that he CARES about babies but ... chirp chirp pregnancy... and women as carriers only

[@elephantfordinner]

@@madge2114 how does allowing them to be killed protect life? You make an interesting argument and you’re right, it’s completely counterintuitive.

[@elephantfordinner]

@@cultureal9544 You saw through me again! I was only PRETENDING to amend my ways and care about people killing kids. Just to control women! There’s no fooling you, you’re a sharp bunch here at MSNBC. But more to the point,these segments are a bit over the top. It’s strange to watch people nod along as if they are describing things as they really are.

[@jdcochran5806]

Neanderthal BS 💩! Women’s health care and lives are at risk with this new law! And it’s not even a State Law as Arizona was a Territory in 1864! Insane! Vote Blue!

[@wordforever117]

Is it a fact of biology, proven through scientific study, that a new unique, distinct living human being comes into existence at fertilisation? Why then, do you think it is permissible to discriminate against pre-born humans by stripping away all of their rights and treating them as if they were vermin?

[@Shskfjekdnf38587]

Abortion is murder, not healthcare.

[@anthonyg.4761]

California is a bus ticket away. Abortion should not be convenient get on a bus and go get one.

[@avishevin1976]

Why shouldn't it be accessible? Because your god told you to hurt women?

[@Shskfjekdnf38587]

@@avishevin1976Hurt them how? Explain your unexplained presumption.

[@avishevin1976]

@@Shskfjekdnf38587 It's not a presumption. It's a reflection of reality. Women are dying or suffering crippling harm because of red state policies regarding abortion. It's happening today.