This is Blatant Fraud

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0:40 - 2011 Gibson Les Paul 50s Tribute
1:52 - 1976 Gibson S1 Signed by Paul Stanley
3:47 - Blatant Fraud
4:06 - Why It's Blatant Fraud
6:33 - Jackson Randy Rhoads RR3
8:05 - 1981 Gibson V2
9:43 - 1968 Gibson Les Paul
11:15 - 1956 Gibson Les Paul Custom
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[@Trog]

The Chibson listing is pretty bad on this auction site, but I did hear from the person who bought that '56 Custom! Let's hope that fake gets pulled fast... 🟢My Website: www.troglysguitarshow.com 🔴Reverb: reverb.com/shop/troglys?_aid=growsumo&gs_partner=Trogly ❓Private Help Sessions: troglysguitarshow.com/help-appraisals/

[@vadenk4433]

That guitar was a 70’s Les Paul. There’s actually a video on KZbin poster by the shop that owns it- they document it really well. And yes it is burned very badly in the neck pickup route.

[@tszegvary]

Just went to their website and didn’t see the Chibson - looks like they took it down

[@timothycormier3494]

Hey trogley. You should take a stroll through your comment section. Because anyone who made a comment about the possibility that this auction site might be fake or too good to be true. Is getting the same weird bot style reply from the same “person”😂 Cindy bru. And they appear multiple multiple times.

[@shauncrissc]

He has done Epiphone on the channel before ...at least " To the best of my knowledge" he has ...?

[@PapaKiloProductions]

@@f1s2hg3 He has done loads of budget guitars, but people watch this show for the rare and expensive stuff. There are innumerable other channels who review budget guitars

[@livefromadive6751]

That picture of Ace on the headstock has a Family Guy vibe.

[@juanmacaceres2702]

100%, I thought the same thing

[@MenChooseSlavesObey]

It looks they used a Family Guy image to recreate the Ace Frehley Kiss album cover.

[@alwaysabiggafish3305]

Lmaooo it's the eyelids

[@martianmurray]

I wanna rock and roll all night “and have a wonderful time.” Lol

[@MenChooseSlavesObey]

@@martianmurray "Music is dead to me"

[@svart_kors]

Ace's face on that Chibson looks like it's Lois Griffin painted up to look like Ace. lol.

[@tomleary121257]

As a guitar buyer I've learned my lesson I stay away from things that look too good to be true

[@usmcchrisg]

That applies to most things.

[@cindybru8312]

This site is legit. I’ve made numerous purchases.

[@cindybru8312]

This site is legit. I’ve made numerous purchases.

[@jameschiles872]

But are you legit...

[@timbrokkoli7386]

If things look too good to be true - they probably are

[@Turboy65]

The Ace Face on that Chibson looks more like Peter Griffin.

[@jameshughes6049]

Paul only used those guitars to break on stage. Gibson stopped supplying them to him when they found out about it.

[@georgeprice4212]

Paul only used those models for smashing…he said so himself in one of his books, and actually said that before the Love Gun era, he’d call up Gibson, have them send him some of those guitars and he’d take some to a local guitar store to sell for extra money until the next tour.

[@jameshughes6049]

And when Gibson found out he only used them to smash on stage they stopped supplying them to him.

[@maxmustardman298]

Wasnt there also a story that fans had to pay the band if they wanted the guys to play their inszruments live, something like that ? Or I am mixing it up right now

[@guyincognito1423]

Im shocked you didn't talk about the Jerry Garcia modded amp up for sale. Its a Fender Princeton modded by Owsley Stanley, who not only was the Grateful Dead's sound guy, but he also made acid for all the big rock stars of the day. Hendrix even pays homage to him on his version of Daytripper.

[@rlcsheldon]

shocked 😂😂😂😂😂

[@-elijahriggs-]

He made millions and millions of hits. He was almost personally responsible for the acid wave, not just for rock stars.

[@russellzauner]

@@j.r.g3548 *opening your freezer door*

[@j.p.sixgunner7194]

@@j.r.g3548 😍

[@pgroove163]

gee sounds like a great guy

[@timothycormier3494]

I think that this entire auction site is a scam! It would be a great way to make one big hit and run. Set up an entire auction. Take all the money. Send out nothing or a bunch of chibson guitars and then close up the site and run! Be careful folks!

[@cindybru8312]

I’m a collector and have made purchases. Everything is confirmed. Take a breath. Lol

[@cindybru8312]

I’m a collector and have made purchases. Everything is confirmed. Take a breath. Lol

[@cindybru8312]

I’m a collector and have made purchases. Everything is confirmed. Take a breath. Lol

[@cindybru8312]

I’m a collector and have made purchases. Everything is confirmed. Take a breath. Lol

[@cindybru8312]

I’m a collector and have made purchases. Everything is confirmed. Take a breath. Lol

[@bradfordjeff]

Wow! I didn't know there was a First Act Kiss tribute guitar!

[@mp-kq3vc]

I don't value "played by (pick a name)" guitars any higher whatsoever. I remember Bruce Kulick telling a story that Vinnie Vincent used to go to guitar stores before shows and buy cheap guitars and then diddle on them for like 20 seconds at the meet and greets and sell the guitars to fans for thousands! I have a Les Paul Studio diddled on for 30 seconds by Zakk Wylde at some army meet and greet in 2010. I've never met anyone (including my luthier) that thinks this adds a cent to the value. More mojo? Sure! Price? Not even slightly.

[@alfsmith4936]

Who?

[@mightyV444]

Legit or not, it makes sense that the 'Paul Stanley' guitar was signed in the neck area, as black sharpie would've not been visible on the other, black areas! 😉 And I noticed that guitar was strung for a leftie, which also explains the extra cut-away 🙂

[@eddiejr540]

Way to go Trogly…you are the man!!!

[@marions.120]

$30,000 to $35000? Not even if he came to my house, handed me the guitar and then mowed my lawn!

[@neverenoughguitars8276]

The drawing of ace on the headstock looks like it was drawn by the Family Guy artist! 🤣

[@hakancarlsson2881]

That BS should make everyone question everything they have and nobody should buy anything there. Seriously, that's ridiculous.

[@JokersWild70]

I want to throw that "Ace" guitar off of a waterfall. What a POS. Yes, that Jackson Rhoads is one of the two guitars that was commissioned by Randy for Grover and/or Mike Shannon to build AFTER Randy signed off on the design of the black and gold Jackson. So this white with gold would've been delivered to Randy as #3 or #4, (the other was routed for a Charvel trem) but obviously never was. No, he never did play that white and gold guitar "And the middle position, just for fun..."

[@jackengels5077]

Hey trogly, about that marauder that crimson guitar bought, he mentioned your channel when showing that guitar and was curious about what you think he should do with that guitar. I think it's in the "I bought too many guitars" video, maybe the title was slightly different. There's a giant swimming pool sitting beneath that pickguard

[@alfsmith4936]

They burn well..

[@darwinsaye]

A Gibson for less than $600 nowadays? That one makes me super sceptical too.

[@attichatchsound-bobkowal5328]

Weird that Paul Stanley has a strap knob on the lower horn to play left-handed. It seems like the the same guy who modified that other Marauder got a hold of this one.

[@hughjarrse]

It's still strung lefty

[@haywoodjablowme699]

First of all... KISS didn't play a gig on 4/28/77. According to "KISS Alive Forever: The Complete Touring History" they played a gig on 4/4/77 @ Budokan and 7/8/77 in Nova Scotia. Second... the Ace Les Paul screams fake. Look at where the tailpiece is mounted in relation to the one Ace is actually holding. Third... the V-shaped tailpiece on that RR is all kinds of crooked. The backstory about Randy never receiving the black model because of his death is entirely false because there are photos of him playing it next to the Ken Sandoval V and the Jackson Concorde. But hey, caveat emptor.

[@_Suzuka_Joe]

the lost randy rhoads has been listed for months and hasn't moved but its also listed on reverb for $150k so the auction doesn't even matter. its not going to get higher than $147k even if thats a real bid

[@cchristensen9901]

It’s been up for auction for something like six months. When does it end?

[@d3adlym3rcy25]

on the Randy Rhoads that is the 3rd Jackson ever made. If i remember it right

[@cchristensen9901]

2nd (black) was accidentally made by Mike Shannon with the neck too thin. There are numerous pictures of him playing it from December 1981 to March 1982. Randy asked them to make the 3rd with a neck as thick as his Les Paul, just like the Concorde (#1), but it wasn’t finished until after he died. Production models were never made with the thick neck that Randy preferred.

[@andylewis_guitardad9028]

I can't speak for the other guitars, but the Jackson Rhoads is legit. Guitar Max made a couple of videos about it, and he even interviewed the current owner.

[@SHENDOH]

If that's even the same one here. Who knows

[@randyherbrechtsmeier4796]

In 77. I got a Paul Stanley Marauder. He sawed the neck a half inch behind the heel..He couldnt break it so he just handed to me. Oh I gave to my Girlfriend Ima Fool!!!!!!

[@taylorwerner384]

@@analogr657 hey authenticate your stuff better and you wouldn’t have to worry about being called out on it. If Trogly says it ain’t legit then there’s a good chance it isn’t. He’s just trying to keep people from being scammed by people too lazy/misinformed to properly represent an item such as you guys.

[@duanewelsh5611]

Interested to see if they reply, comment on your observations of the blue Ace. Good for you pointing out the "mistake". Be a shame somebody paying good money for that!

[@bryonkidder6199]

The original Ace Frehley prototype, according to the guy that built it, had gold hardware on the Cherryburst Custom and Ace hated it. He only wanted chrome hardware...lol

[@glengamble526]

Trogly-the Paul Stanley Gibson was what he used to smash live, and they were factory seconds that Gibson sold to Kiss for $65 each. He DID use them a little live when Kiss first signed with Gibson, but by 77 he wasn’t playing them at all. And I’m not sure that he signed and dated them back then. Ima huge Kiss fan and honestly…I think it’s scam. Someone has one of those guitars and is trying to pass it off as Paul’s.

[@petera.michaelsen4657]

Paul’s guitars were being stolen all the time, his firebird, all his flying Vs and even his explorers were eventually all stolen on tour as well as tons of Kiss gear. Paul is know for using sloppy guitars on Love Gun, hear the demos and you will realize he did use very low end guitars, specially Gibsons and Ibanez guitars. Once Love Gun was finished he moved from Gibson to Ibanez and used them ever after until The Elder when they had their own luthier making them guitars exclusively for them. You can hear the guitar tone difference from Rock And Roll Over or from Dynasty to Love Gun.

[@glengamble526]

@@petera.michaelsen4657 actually, Eddie Kramer has gone on record as saying that, when he recorded Kiss, Paul tended to play Fender Stats and Ace Les Pauls (with Fender amps!). They did this purposely to clearly define the two sounds from each other-this and panning the guitars into different speakers (L/R).

[@Kylora2112]

@@glengamble526 Ace also used a Telecaster to double track his parts. I use that trick as well when I record (I'll track left/right channels on my Les Paul or Explorer, then have my Tele lower in the mix in the center to fill out the frequencies).

[@premiumgas69]

As an old timer, who looked at 1968 gold tops in 1968, the price estimate floors me. I believe these were $395 brand spankin' new. The black custom - fretless wonders- were a whooping $545...If only I had known....

[@Wargasm54]

Yeah, well gold was only 40$ an oz back then too.

[@johnstrand7456]

I did buy one in 68 from Werleins Music in New Orleans - except for a few sessions back in the early 70s it's been in the case - if I read the serial # correctly it's a December 68 - I get it out every now and then and have fresh strings put on it - I love having it in the family!!

[@TylerJohnstonGuitar]

With inflation, $395 back then is well over $3,000 today.

[@premiumgas69]

Since all things are never equal….minimum wage was a $1.50+/- at that time.The minimum wage in my state today is $7.25. A factor of 5. Gold should be $200 or minimum wage should be $60. Interesting no?

[@ces69]

Bought a 67 SG Standard with factory Maestro and case back in 1973/4 for £175 and sold it around 1977/8 for £225! Thought I did well till I saw the prices they ask for similar these days! 😢

[@jimmyjames2022]

For sure the 2010-2013 "Studio" Tributes are best kept secrets. For a steal I recently picked up a 2013 50s Tribute, with pretty vintage sunburst, walnut back and vintage gloss (not satin) where the P-90s were replaced with the 2015 LP Deluxe Dual blade minihumbuckers (Al5, 17k/26k), that no one likes. Sure they're not your fathers Firebird minis or pole piece minis but don't sell them short these are awesome pickups. Ordered some coil splits for them.

[@pontiuspilot10]

what is the website? Was trying to search for analoger but couldn't find anything..

[@SteveOuimette]

Yeah, Paul was deep into his vintage collecting at the time and had a '59 Les Paul among many others (I believe a 50's V, etc.) so he certainly wouldn't be using that guitar for anything but smashing, lol.

[@MrDoobie12286]

I’m not sure why the strap button is on the lower horn on that Paul Stanley guitar. He wasn’t a lefty

[@danharris7685]

Great post, you keep me glued and tattooed to the content. Thanks

[@monmixer]

I see those tributes all the time under a grand on reverb and FB marketplace.

[@angus2531]

What's goin on with the back plate of the 56' Custom ? Is it mod ?

[@tjerrion1885]

Jacksons are amazing man,,, you should get into them. You've already mastered the Gibson..... You DA MAN!!

[@moreblack]

Ace's face in the headstock looks like it's from Family Guy 🤣😂

[@surf71]

You should email the company and have them pull this so some poor guy doesn't drop $10k for a garbage Chibson.

[@RJsCave]

LOL I think they used an image of "ace" from an episode of family guy! LOL

[@dw7704]

That “Ace” has the worst Gibson headstock knockoff I have ever seen. (And as pointed out already, that Ace picture is straight out of Family Guy.)

[@lobsterwhisperer7932]

Agreed, seen better myself.

[@Bbbbad724]

I tell you man. My Epiphone LesPaul Special I and DR-212 12 string acoustic. Set up perfectly are unplayable. Neck is horrible, I don’t know what it is, but immediately on both my fretting thunb bruises and my hand goes numb. I can’t say if it was because of my shoulder and arm break. Or if it is just a junk neck. My thumb is still bruised.

[@pdbordelon]

Ive been playing guitar for 45 years and have never seen or even heard of a Gibson V2...I want!

[@schaerfentiefe1967]

That the Ace Fehley Les Paul is a fake "Chibson" is also easy to tell by the placement of the knobs in relation to the tailpiece... with the neck volume knob positioned *higher* than the tailpiece! It must sit slightly *below* the tailpiece for being a real Gibson.

[@uppencider]

That Gibson it's definitely a chibson. The seller whoever that may be should be in a lot of trouble for that. Because he or she knows darn well that is not a Gibson guitar.

[@snap-off5383]

$250 for a frickin' tweed case? Yuck. You can get a hardshell rifle case that a les paul fits in for like $90. 8:48 great centering Gibson! That's why they have CNC's make them now.

[@younkinjames8571]

I had that same gold top tribute with some wolftone pickups...I traded it for an ibanez premium RG. Haven't looked back

[@jamesoniris2647]

Gibson should make an April fools release that is a Chibson guitar.

[@joeyskar]

With Chibson USA as the official sponsor.

[@Rocknrollerrink]

What's that acoustic guitar piece that plays after the episode?

[@BinkDinklage]

I think it's from the KZbin royalty free library.

[@noahmichael6996]

Maybe even Gibson finally realized the Chibson plays better XD

[@MarbsMusic]

Pete Thorn has a whole recent video on that RR guitar if you are interested.

[@1000poundsguitar]

That Jackson 3rd prototype is a massive part of Jackson’s history. Those early Custom shop guitars rival any Gibson. Jackson makes great guitars for good price and they’re almost carrying Fender at this point.

[@Trog]

I suppose that makes sense

[@RyoCanCan]

I think it's funny that the sub brands of Fender are really carrying them more than Fender is.

[@Peter-ff1tp]

What exactly gives you the impression Jackson is carrying Fender? Nobody sells electric guitars the way Fender does. Nobody. Certainly not Jackson.

[@collection_of_misinformation]

Jackson are literally garbage lmao, cheap crap for edgy teenagers

[@maddoxmay611]

I’d say charvel is too, for what you get, not bad at all

[@ricktheexplorer]

It's illegal to sell a Chibson in the U.S. I have one, I love it, it's a masterpiece, not the norm, and I will never sell it; only mod it, which you never do with a real one.

[@Dram1984]

I’ve modded both my Gibsons. They’re guitars not paintings.

[@erickronin1330]

04:12 Hahaha, I have that exact same guitar (Fake blue Ace Frehley's Gibson). Some dude sold it to me for 200 bucks in facebook Marketplace. They guy was honest, he told me he actually bought it on a trip to China and was offering it as a Chibson. I still love it tho, plays nice when playing some KISS.

[@Dan.Solo.Chicago]

That Randy Rhoads Jackson is the only “shredder” type guitar I would consider getting.

[@TVsBen]

Did you see the supposed letter with the blueburst guitar? It uses a couple different fonts in like five different sizes. The whole thing seems murky to me.

[@andresilvasophisma]

Dig the V2 headstock.

[@tgarder]

Old video I know, but seeing those V2 models of V's and Explorers always makes it sooo clear how hard it is to find a new guitar shape that doesn't 3000% suck (and how outrageously right they were back in the 50s)

[@TechnikMeister2]

What do people say about Gibsons products since the 1980s? They look pretty but they don't stay in tune.

[@RokDAWG1]

I’ve seen a few of Ace Frehley models & really checked them out & that one looks way wrong

[@sgt.grinch3299]

Z is for late. Helping my neighbor finish his guitar. If I had the cash I would buy the Randy VEE. He is my favorite guitarist. Nobody sounds like Randy.

[@TM-ev2tc]

I want a Ace frehley guitar. I'm holding myself back.

[@kennethh2430]

Aliexpress has about 3 different options ranging from $289 - $408 :D good luck!

[@joeyskar]

Man.. I've seen some convincing fakes on rare occasions but that thing couldn't even pass for an Epiphone if I had 10 drinks and someone laced one with some Cosby juice. The 3 dollar bill of Ace Frehleys..

[@wesleyzimmerman94]

Yeah, the price on that Jackson is stupid since it wasn't even FINISHED before Randy died but... it's Spec from Randy himself. How many guitars like that exist?

[@sgt.grinch3299]

Only one in the world

[@analogr657]

Zero.

[@geetarislife2843]

I want that tribute, If I weren't broke I'd take it

[@muffinman1978]

Gibson Custom Art and Historic had Tweed cases in 2004

[@gayrodeo]

Finally an auction site that will take my Adam Jones Les Paul prototype with his face drawn on the headstock.

[@marcreno893]

You really like that Mike Ness gold top.. you’ve mentioned it at least 8 times since you had it on the show

[@JohnnyArtPavlou]

The V2 has a certain Steampunk vibe.

[@benodaboy]

I got a 2011 studio. Best damn Gibson I've ever played.

[@zigzagrz]

Trogly, I know you already know, talk about the increase in Reverb's fees, theyre going up again!

[@robman717]

Ben crow said he wanted to talk to you about that S1, he put a video up about it!

[@dennisneo1608]

That Ace Frehley picture looks like it was from Family Guy.

[@monmixer]

No guitar short of a 50's burst or maybe early 60's is worth upwards of 30 grand but it might be to some one for their collection. Anything at all is worth what someone is willing to play.

[@Dan.Solo.Chicago]

Shielding the pickup itself? Would that even work? It looked like they used actual aluminum foil from the grocery store. .

[@KALVIN123]

New epiphone sg Tommy Iommi!!!

[@Gordanovich02]

zomg yes please Trogly

[@tapehead69]

KISS Saves Santa: The Guitar

[@yestoES355]

Reverb fees going up again, 3.19% now. selling anything past 1K is a loss and prices are just going to go up to make up for the seller fees

[@Trog]

Reverb fees aren't going up - just the credit card processing fees

[@ryanevans371]

"Selling anything past 1k is a loss" ....that's not how percentages work. At all.

[@yestoES355]

@@Trog oops I misread that email then, thanks for the correction dude.

[@ryanevans371]

@@auntjenifer7774 It is how math works. Yes, the fee gets larger as the sale price goes up. But it does so proportionally relative to the sale price....going above $1k wouldn't suddenly turn a previously profitable sale into a loss, because the price is going up at the same rate as the fee. That's literally the mathematical definition of a percentage. Put another way, if it's a loss due to the fees above $1k, it would have been a loss at $900 as well. I get that people don't like increased fees, but these aren't tiered tax brackets...it's a simple, straight percentage.

[@Zeptyche]

Bahaha that looks like the Family Guy animators version of Ace

[@nickyd9361]

I've learned to not buy anything from an "auction" with no time limit/end day

[@MichaelLewisMusic]

These Gibson knock-offs are pretty scary these days (not just the ones you're highlighting but speaking in general.) It's a good reminder to stick to reputable guitar shops when making an important investment in a guitar.

[@dbspecials1200]

I wouldn't think there's a lot of gear out there available that has any authentic connection to Randy. with a legend like him you take what you can get.. if it's real.

[@Blimpus]

I own both Ace chibson guitars, but I knew exactly what I was buying, I will never be able to affaord a real Gibson, so I live a chibson life!

[@donaldcampbell9219]

I think ace even drew his face on the headstock. You know by himself

[@spanky659]

What happened to the les Paul heritage award guitars

[@RussianColluder]

That is literally ace from the family guys episode with loose Lois

[@arthurguerra2582]

My roommate was asked to work them and told me they have a very professional setup and seen that black beauty in person.

[@allendean9807]

It’s my understanding the guitars he smashed on stage were not even playable models…

[@uppencider]

The price for that Randy Rhodes guitar is ridiculous being he never played it probably or even saw it. I have an 85 ESP Guitar neck through body that was made for Dean guitars and I'll tell you what it plays absolutely incredible. I'd like to try that and the Jackson that was made for Randy Rhodes and compare the two. And if this didn't come out right because we're about ready to get hit with a hurricane and I'm talking into my phone.

[@analogr657]

Learn your history.

[@taylorwerner384]

@@analogr657 authenticate your stuff better 🤡

[@nationalduo4945]

It’s kind of like telephone solicitation…..no one really seems to care…

[@marcuswhitehead9615]

"Induced" lol

[@josephcottone3347]

Let it be known. So we can shut down these low life scammers.❤

[@GreggRoberts]

I didn't know Paul Stanley was a lefty.

[@toxictophat4194]

Reverb is on top of Gibson having to be real they pulled a guitar my local pawn shop posted that's when they learned they had a chibson

[@galeng73]

Have you torn apart one of the V examples with the boomerang pickups? Do you want to?

[@Trog]

I have - but not on video

[@galeng73]

@@Trog I have one packed away. It's not for sale or anything, so what would it look like if we wanted to set it up so that you can review it?

[@StephenOshea]

great video much appreciated

[@TXCrafts1]

Is it me or dose the headstock on the fake say "Gibsun"?! that's just embarrassing.

[@BasicDrumming]

Great video.

[@facurojas4477]

Omg I clicked on the video without knowing and it's about Space Ace, Nice

[@EwetoobSucks]

Gibson ! Keeping woodworkers in business since 1902 ! Break Authentic !