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[@Producelikeapro]

Great review Wytse! I really like this plug in as well, I know the designer, Yotam, spent a long time with Chris getting this right. Often with 'signature' plug ins I feel they are a little cynical, however, this one feels like there is a huge amount of actual care and attention went into this! The results are immediately great, that says a lot, we move fast and I want something sounding great without hours of tweaking. Glad to see your channel doing so well!

[@darlenesheffield9835]

Really enjoyed your review as well Warren

[@MFKitten]

Would you say they managed to make it sound like hits? :P

[@hectormann1843]

Warren, thank you as well for your video on this plugin, I just tried it out and compared the different reverbs to otherts, like Valhalla Room, bx_room and some other more pricy plugins. I was kind of dissapointed cause I found out that I liked the Epic ones a lot more. I really like this plug in and it’s worth much much more than 29!!

[@michaellarsen180]

And have a marvelous time making music Warren! xD

[@Producelikeapro]

@@michaellarsen180 haha thanks ever so much! Have a marvellous time!

[@DjALX396]

Epic is really impressive at first but if you have been already mixing with 1-2-3-4 delays going into A-B-C-D reverbs then you bump into some problems with Epic. For example in my effect template In Reaper Id send my snare drum into rev B and D, main vocals in rev A and and B, delay 2 and 3, back vocals in delay 1 and 2 and hook vocals in delay 2-3-4. If this plugin has 2 ins / 2 outs then I cannot really have the same workflow as CLA has in his latest depth videos. If EPIC had 8ins/8outs which can be routed in Reaper then It would really be what I see in CLA-Waves videos. Now, If I want the same mixing experience, I have to open 8 different tracks in Reaper, open 8 EPICs but use ONE device in each of the tracks (track 1=delay 1, track 2=delay 2... track 5 rev A, ....track 8 rev4) and route everything together and then I can send anything anywhere... If thats the case it would be better to have 8 stand-alone plugins of EPIC, 4 delays and 4 reverbs, to make this happen. Of. course in order to work fast I should be able to tweak my 8 effects in BUCKETS like in the CLA MixHub. Meaning, I open ONE Epic plugin but can control all 8 from it. Does this make any sense to anybody? I was happy to get EchoSphere on Black Friday and thought that today we'd get 3 more Epic plugins like Berzerk distortion came out last year and then we got 3-4 more distorters, variations of the same plugin. Of course I purchased Epic without demoing it (even though I was sure of what I mentioned above), just for the Ursa-type delay 4 preset and the defaults on all 8 units. It is sad though that all the excitement I got. from EchoSphere got lost in the buzz that Epic created today. I really liked EchoSphere and was expecting 3 more delay-reverb plugins to cover the 8 devices. When CLA MixHub came out I wasnt into it, but I have adopted the bucket workflow to tweak my effect returns EQ from one instanse of MixHub, and was expecting the bucket thing to be a "thing"... Anyway sorry for ranting. Take care!!!

[@DjALX396]

Just for the sake of it I went to make an effects template in Reaper, just like I mentioned above: 8 effect tracks with one device activated on each track. Just found out that I cannot use any of the reverbs as stand alone reverbs. The sound has to go through a delay unit before it hits the reverb... Whats the point of that? CLA in his depth videos says that if you put reverb on your vocals its better to put reverb on the vocals' delays too. Having said that you should be able to send your vocals to Reverb A as they are, then the same vocals in any of the delays that also go to Reverb A, so both main vocals and the delays have the same space. .... If youre a pro level mixer this plugin is not for you. Youre better off with your own templates which can be much more flexible than this.

[@NoobFLProducer]

Sandstorm gets better every time i listen to it. :D

[@elirascon3886]

You can move all ten faders together with a mouse, just select them by drawing a box around them with the mouse. Same for the Hi-pass and Lo-pass filters and other buttons. Not quite 10 fingers....

[@DjR3aper]

The crowd setting is awesome on this vocal

[@JoelLangley]

According to the waves series with CLA “Mixing With Depth”, this is exactly how CLA’s signal flow works for his effects, complete with faders

[@CMansfield]

CLA just made a set of videos explaining his "depth" workflow and this is how he does it in hardware. If it came with an SSL, it would be perfect.

[@DjALX396]

EPIC is not as flexible...

[@dimoscondos]

USE IT WITH MIXHUB!!!

[@tonycarpenter-Makzimia]

@@dimoscondos I'm interested to see how this works yet, and also Schep's Omni channel!!!.

[@dimoscondos]

@@tonycarpenter-Makzimia check the videos from waves and Andrew himself. also CLA released a new video with Waves fir Epic

[@OdinOfficialEmcee]

Ever since the first Waves video wity CLA showing how he did this on his console I emulated it in Studio one with busses. The routing is honestly super easy works the same as this with faders and everything. By doing what CLA does and limiting myself to just these 8 types of time effects across the whole mix I feel like I went from good to great. The space and depth is so much richer and better sounding. Good review. As far as if it's worth it? For me, that is a no.

[@figlermaert]

Can you make it so two different busses use different combos of the same delay/reverb without them affecting each other? I can’t mentally figure out how to do that without replicating 8 delay/reverb chains for each bus.

[@KnzoVortex]

I feel called out by this particular cover of sandstorm :(

[@LokoTheChannel]

Behringer B-control fader BCF2000 is perfect for this plugin

[@henrythepooh]

I've seen this "snake oil" thumbnail a bunch of times already and now I'm interested to know what it is. Gonna look it up

[@MusicProMastery]

Please STUDY and READ the manual, before make a video... is annyoning to see you move faders without know about

[@ChristianBoragine]

If i have to read the manual is bad user experience design. It's a plugin not a space shuttle, come on.

[@MusicProMastery]

@@ChristianBoragine wtf? Say this in a university and you will be ban for ever. Thats is the most stupid thing that i heard. The user manual brings up a lot of information that is so great know! Example, if you read a compressor's manual, you will learn about of compression issues, not only how the interface works. Is stupid think this way

[@CAMMYSINCLAIR]

@@MusicProMastery I agree, he blasted Realphones saying it was affecting the bass end too much and the whole time he had the Subs activated in the plugin. The review was so bad they actually posted it on their facebook page. That's what made me buy the plugin so, maybe there is method in this madness.

[@ChristianBoragine]

@@MusicProMastery just to be clear in my point, if you design something hoping that the user will read the manual you are dumb as s**t, because, surprise surprise, users don't read manuals. So if a user misuse a product is the designer fault, not the user. The artifact should be self explanatory. Do yourself a favour and learn about good design practices, affordances and HCI before talking about things you don't know.

[@MusicProMastery]

@@ChristianBoragine Sure man, i understand that you don't like to study and you only wants all so easy. By the way, still there are people that studies everyday

[@FreestyleGalaxyNMore]

Woe 🎚️ it doesn't even sound like Darude anymore!!! Nice plugging!

[@cmdkaboom]

This is useless since only 3 to 4 instances... kill a 16 core cpu ... ITS NOT MULTI-CORE Optimized... like most WAVES plugins... sounds good.. but very limited in its use across multiple channels.

[@ThaRealDawn]

I can build that MIDI Fader you are talking about for it. That would be awesome 👌 Do you think they would sell if I built it? I'm doing plans for a multi-knob one now. It will be one piece but creases to separate each rack section. It's going to have 3 different ones. For like 1st multi-rack will have compressors like 1176 and LA-2A and Tube Tech, 2nd EQ like Tube Tech Eq and PuigTech, etc... one area of each will be 6 knows for whatever you want. The name is listed on each section but the black will control and be set up the same as the original hardware. Each section will be 4in by 15in with meters that receive info from the actual plugin. Maybe later, make it the same size but on a digital touch screen that acts as a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc... screen. You will open the plugin and drag it over to each screen section. It will auto-fill to size. For something like TubTech multi-unit with eq and compressor, it will fill all 3 screens to size. What do you think about this product? 🤔 Basically, a touchscreen controller that's only like 4in by 15in and 6in deep. The screen can be tilted up like 20° etc.... Thoughts?

[@cgluck]

I purchased it this morning (Cyber Monday) for $30. At that price, I figure it is worth just fooling around with it.. Not sure what the regular price is. But hey, it is Waves. Wait a week for their sales. I'm sure it will be that price again.

[@svarogstudio]

I see a lot of people like this, and I'm not saying it's bad... But considering most people have, not only several stock reverb/delay plugins, but also several 3th party (in my case Valhalla and Slate reverbs and delays, and all those Logic stock) I just don't see why you wouldn't just set this up your self, save it as a preset/patch, save your money, and not clog up your DAW with yet another plugin. It seems it was made more for musicians and maybe beginners who just want to set it up quickly and move on.

[@dominusblandus]

if he's using exactly this... at least it seems like tape, dly, slap 166.... seems like "his" standard fx chain he claims to use often; and it works good for a starting point for rock vocals

[@onestarreview1510]

13 year old me digs those lyrics

[@benjamincollins1535]

They are distractingly terrible

[@vroteg]

Isn’t Valhalla Delay did the same sending delay to a reverb?

[@didcomusic]

I love this plugin. Simple to use because you don’t have to look for among big list of delay and reverb.

[@kadiummusic]

Ooh... just had a thought, I could map the faders on my keylab 2 to this? 🤔

[@scottnelle]

There are some Darude presets in the Artist Preset list!

[@ozorg]

good video - but a few examples of the presets would have been interesting too.

[@aakashrajan]

This is such a thing where you wanna really use your fingers, and not your mouse. LOL!

[@ermano]

It sounds good, just get a control surface with faders , end of review

[@inlovingmemoryofdouglasmul5216]

Why do u need a controller or whatever like everyone is saying when the faders are on the plugin? Just looking to become more knowledgeable on the subject, sorry

[@ermano]

@@inlovingmemoryofdouglasmul5216 because you can find a better sweet spot moving faders together , oppose to one fader at a time

[@danielabilez3619]

Evolution requires time to learn your gear. I bought it. Won't be able to use it till next year. It is what you make of it

[@inlovingmemoryofdouglasmul5216]

@@ermano thank you

[@inlovingmemoryofdouglasmul5216]

@@triple_x_r_tard why one day are they that expensive??

[@caderik1386]

After you did this blind testing, you should watch the videos from CLA - there are bunch of other interesting comments from him about this approach. He says that one of the secrets from his tight mixes are the send effects and he never uses more than 4 reverbs or delays in a mix to keep the space consistent.

[@lapesrecords8583]

Regarding the hardware controller - touchscreen should be an option. I guess waves have this direction in mind (LV1), as well as Slate with their raven.

[@ibrahim47x]

Waves is stuck in the past, and not even in a good way. Check out FabFilter Pro-R, Arturia Rev Intensity, and D16 Group Spacereck and Toraverb 2 to see what the future is like.

[@njdpdv]

D16 Spacerek is 🔥EPIC🔥

[@-Deena.]

Sometimes in a mix for certain genres the sound of the past is useful though.

[@timoheinrich8763]

I don't even see how Waves would want to catch up again.

[@-Deena.]

@@timoheinrich8763 Exactly.

[@iggynavon6309]

Zero Reference to the sound quality. are you becoming a snake oil? :)

[@TheMixClub]

I like it.. the first thing i did was set it up with a controller. Works slick... Another great video!

[@keysbythenumbers]

Faders, did you say faders...go back to Softube, they make a fader controller that works for this!

[@pvalenti]

Bro you should try some of the presets if you aren't at least going to watch a video or read the manual. You missed a lot in this plug-in. The routing for instance. Plus CLA and a dozen or so other engineers have made presets that will show you other things the plugin does. You never messed with the modulation either and at least on the tape echo it is a must. All in all I think you may have wanted to call Snake Oil on this...but I think it shows a lot of promise. For myself...I'll be thinking of ways to emulate as much of what this does as possible using stock Reaper and JS effects... Something I really enjoy is trying to reverse engineer plugins with stock effects and routing options in Reaper. Great video like always. Thanks for the email response. I should've known you be on top of this! Cheers!

[@edukacja2485]

It would be really epic if it have multichannel in/out routing, especially useful for reaper users. I mean a separate stereo inputs and outputs for each module. That way you can have only one plugin for whole mix, and really mix like CLA

[@jimbeaux4988]

Honestly looks like a lot of CLA knowledge condensed into an easy to control package. This is stuff he found that works.

[@keithpringle1103]

Needs V.12 to operate which costs to upgrade :(

[@keithpringle1103]

@@saturdaynightfeverDJshows I'll have another look then, cheers

[@jackrhelliwell]

@@keithpringle1103 you can have multiple versions coexist, I have V9, 10, 11 & 12 all working together.

[@mixedbydread8210]

you can run old plugins no problem. i do it everyday... however, as far as "CLA knowledge".... don't fall for the hype. its just reverb and delay. ive been doing it in protools for years. send whatever to to my reverb/delay aux and then sen the aux to the other aux. this plugin makes it more convenient, but its nothing revolutionary.

[@wallsdownstudios4112]

Keith Pringle you can run anything from v9.92 with v10, v11 and v12. Just install your v9 - v11 plugs with a legacy installer, then install your v12 stuff. Just doing have the same plugin installed in 2 different versions. I do this with Mac OS X Catalina and it works fine

[@nino3862]

I have a Novation Launch Control XL. I think this could be a good controller for controlling this plugin.

[@alchemistrpm82]

Absolutely

[@johncarson7792]

Great video as usual 🙌 I figured out how to set the faders up on my Faderport 8 using Macros in Studio one, game changer. Thanks again for the insight. 🙏

[@mirkokeller5231]

Hm... ableton effect rack with delay and reverb/impulses way more flexible and not a lot of work. you can use eq, compressor/sidechain, saturation...

[@-Deena.]

€24! That's a bargain. I'm not a waves fan...but bought. 🧡

[@mikehammer983]

J’hésite...

[@abeatcalledquest3262]

THEY HAVE DARUDE PRESETS WYTSE

[@grateful4068]

I dig this a lot. I also like how in your review you went through it naturally like someone actually would. Great content!

[@alexandersorbas1881]

put mix to 100% and use faders only

[@nicholasedgett7889]

I just bought it and am so excited to try it out

[@rafalvarezsevilla]

i have build a similar approach in reaper inspired by CLAs video and EPIC but with Echoboy and Valhalla Vintage Verb, man i'm never going back, my mixing is so much faster and better now!! how much CPU is EPIC using more or less? very good sounds in there, wouldn't use it on lots of tracks though, i'd rather put it on a send track using the same approach as CLA actually does on his console, i can highly recommend the waves walkthrough of his setup, and then build your own.

[@aholder4471]

Chris knew that reverb was coming back into style so he put it up where it could be obvious, not just subtle. He stays on top of the trends for sure.

[@annekedebruyn7797]

I only buy handsoldered plugins. PCB plugins just don't sound as warm.

[@whoreshoe]

CLA doesn’t like the word “warm”😝

[@alphanumeric1529]

We (artist/producers) have midi fader banks that are programmable, so it is not a problem. With that said, we all have delay and reverb plugs. We all have virtual mixers where we can set up sends and route those sends to other sends. So, this is all rather easy to do on your own, with your own flavors and special sauces. What can be taken from this is the idea and the specific implementation, ie, the nature of each delay, what function they each serve, then each reverb, and the effect that they each have. I'm sure some thought was given to that by CLA and the Waves "team". Something to be learned from his specific implementation. And I'm sure many of us already have something similar to this already set up. I mean, who doesn't have a fast delay and a long delay send, and who doesn't have a small reverb and a big reverb send? And who doesn't send some of each delay into each reverb? I hand build this type of effect send structure, invariably, on each of my tracks. I really should be smart about it and save fx chains, or channel presets... but I just don't do it. But if it takes me a minute to instantiate and route everything I'm slacking, so I just do it by hand each time. It's not the "Lord's" implementation, but it's mine. Maybe I should give this a look and model each type of delay and reverb? But am I trying to make 80's hair rock. No, I can assure you I am not.

[@matrixate]

If you have Valhalla plugins, you have the Epic version of Epic. If you want to interact with hardware, just buy a touchscreen. It's cheaper and you can interface with all your plugins for one price.

[@VANDYKEDAN]

It is/was $29 on launch day (Cyber Monday). Plus they had a buy 2, get 2 free. WELL WORTH IT imho. (Yes, I took advantage of the deal and for it!)

[@cyberluke]

Confirmed: with Duet iOS and Windows app you can move all the faders using multitouch. It should work also with Microsoft Remote desktop and any multitouch screen interface.

[@CrossStrain]

Touch screen. Works perfect.

[@shoey6123]

i'd love to see this get Softube Console1 Fader compatibility, it's be really good and the controller already has the exactly correct amount of faders

[@cyberluke]

Yes, thats why I think Presonus or Allen Heath QU will be my choice. I did not buy Softube Console 1 because they do not support at least Plugin Alliance bundle yet. I was thinking to buy it for about 3 years. But I would like QU-32 a lot more.

[@RiddimBangerBeatstore1]

can't wait when Waves develop a hardware controller like the Console1 from Softube!

[@SONGLYRICS]

What about touch screen? Imagine having two big lcds...that might work... xd

[@jamsloud8103]

YES! OSC ipad interface with all necessary buttons and faders!

[@IFeeeeelGood]

In Reaper i do this type of routing all the time with various Delays and Reverb. It's easy to do it even if having all in one plugin can be even more easy ahaahah P.S the whole Fader system is there for writing automations

[@casillasscorer]

I’m upset that I would have to update all my plugins to v12 just to get the new waves plugins. V12 won’t work with my system and I can’t afford to lose compatibility with other software simply for a couple waves plugins.

[@defenderstargate1447]

You don't have to upgrade your other plugins, as they will still run as versions 10 or whatever within the version 12 software, but you would have to install the version 12 software.

[@whatsgoodzach]

It would be dope if you could use the Faders or knobs on your midi controller to control this plugin! Ive been really wanting some hands on ability for my plugins!

[@GetSongsDone]

This sounds great, but I still can't bring myself to jump on the waves train.

[@mixedbydread8210]

smart decision. their "upgrade' model leaves a lot to be desired from a consumer standpoint

[@jellewierda3828]

@@mixedbydread8210 yeah their upgrade model suks

[@JohnChaplin]

All audio plugins need screws to hold them together!

[@Wh1teland]

The concept is good but tbh it sounds kind of old school and not how reverbs/delays sound in modern productions. I wish they did CLA Vocals version 2 with some more twekability and improvement on the reverb part of it instead.

[@johnmacleanmotorcycling9795]

Great video. I may not buy the actual plug-in just now but I love the concept of it for creating new sounds for my music. Thanks for the video.

[@apextraxx2903]

I think I know how I'm going to use this. I have a SSL nucleus and it controls different daws at once by a push of a button. I'm going to make the second daw the same except only route This plugin to each fader!

[@Bluelagoonstudios]

You got it, this isn't ending, next a CLA mix console (with another name) and use with their Soundgrid crap? What I see here, is, selling as much low price plugins out there, and then restricted to use with SG hardware, like UAD, I don't buy anything any more from waves.

[@davidnewell3669]

Thanks!

[@bxbbyxx]

Would you set this up as a FX track and send the track into it? or as part of the main vocal chain

[@risehitsiblaze1]

Okay I'm going to give this a try the plugin it's only $39 dollars that's the thing I like about waves plugins they plugins are not expensive compared to universal audio plugins and Tracks ik multimedia plugins

[@stewie3128]

This is my favorite version of Sandstorm

[@CAMMYSINCLAIR]

Actually this is the only version, the original

[@donnythompson408]

I can’t see why any modern control surface, such as a Presonus Faderport, or Behringer X-Touch, wouldn’t work for what you want to do... Both companies have different models, with varying numbers of lesser or more faders and functions, to fit most budgets and applications. I’m not a Waves user, but this CLA plug does seem to have some very cool possibilities... While I do occasionally use a Faderport for automation of my DAW’s mixer channels, (Samplitude Pro X) I’m not an expert on control surface interfacing for tweaking processing settings, so don’t take my comment above as being 100% accurate. It would be worth checking into, though, if you like the plug, and feel that the only thing missing is a tactile control interface; I would think that putting in a call or email to Waves support would get you an answer.

[@chucktownband4165]

Somebody doesn't like to read manuals. Great way to stay in the dark !

[@DavidPixleythemuzzlZ]

Waves... an EPIC fail, ever since 2009 or so. This plugin isn't actually garbage. It's pretty cool. Maybe, if it had vsti capability, so you could assign LFO's and envelope filters to drive the sliders up and down.

[@JozsefHorvathBarcza]

Pls. make a video of Waves Schoeps Omni Channel plugin! I'm very curious is it a snake oil or not....

[@fabriceoze]

I like your Blue , White and Red look ;-)

[@devalah]

matching the plugin's interface ;). smart!

[@irsans2978]

Is it heavy on CPU ? Am using CLA signature series and my mac hiccups many times

[@dynestudios]

Great video man, love what I've seen from this plugin so far, definitely going to buy it PS. Future video idea: I would love to see how and why you added ethernet to your Neumann console!

[@bootvillain]

Its basically his workflow in a plugin. Like you said you can do this in your DAW the long way around.

[@barneymiller5488]

Can the faders be automated on Logic or any other DAW? If so then you should be able to route it to any fader interface. No?

[@tylerstooksbury3050]

I got this thing for $38. I think that’s a pretty solid deal.

[@curtischarles5299]

i am not paying 100's of dollars to upgrade my plugins (waves up date plan) first before i can even use this plugin. i will never buy another waves plugin.

[@geraldbeck8644]

I agree...it does need a controller... But...I think it would be really nice if it had 16 instead of eight...what I mean is...if it was modeled on real Analog units..

[@cripesalmighty4744]

Wait. Im a little confused. Why would you want a physical fader? What would be the difference between that and the faders on the plugin. And what makes this different than simply putting a delay after a reverb on a channel? Isn't that all this is. And why does each side have 4 faders. 4 verbs before 4 delay? I'm totally lost

[@shinobi-1entertainment123]

Dear anyone watching...it sound great right out of the box.

[@JanneF]

After watching Warrens review I bought the plugin, and it’s great. I do understand your thoughts about having a controller with faders to manage it. TC Electronics have both delays and reverbs with hardware controllers and I also have those plugins. It works well and gives you the “right” feeling when working with them. If waves comes up with a hardware controller to epic, I will definitly buy it. I do like your review!

[@rickfricanomusic2029]

You never hit the buttons or turn the knobs that I would have, and I noticed you hardly ever use the presets that usually are there, but that’s ok. We all think different. I haven’t particularly been impressed with the CLA stuff though.

[@kerose]

Most people using this will have a midi controller... why moan about a plug-in not having a controller? What plugins come with a controller?

[@fonzflex5608]

Even a virtual piano needs a hardware controller to be played properly. Why didnt you talk about the quality of the single reverbs? They are all 4 astonishing. Not useful review this time, man. We already knew that a virtual instrument is better controlled with a hardware than a mouse.

[@CURTISAY]

Its great with my dell xps touch screen laptop

[@hemannjatia2062]

3 vids in a row. Fingers crossed i wake up after 100.

[@marekvoosen]

Here is a Meldaproduction clone kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZubkn2LqaqCY5o There is also a turbo version with more features.

[@sixstring3639]

Maybe an external touchpad could make it more tactile? Just thinking...

[@simonjanssen4339]

Any info on if this thing is capable of multitouch? That would be awesome.

[@adamhaymanmusic]

Price with a controller would probably make you not want it

[@KJSchepers]

Hey man! I would love to see you reviewing the Warm Audio WA-2A. Thanks for the videos! Keep up.

[@Prodby_duke]

I have one. Better than plugins for sure

[@ShadikTV]

Yea, they should sell a hardware USB fader specifically for this plugin. That would be fire but then you'd want to use it for other plugins too.

[@liamhebden8857]

It's the first CLA one for me that made me go "yep, that would be really useful" might get that one when it comes the time

[@liamhebden8857]

I think the fader control is just what you do with your DAW controller purchases, with all plugins really

[@liamhebden8857]

Your conclusion is the same as I am thinking, but then I'm thinking it's a great little throw it in the early stages of creation to get working on an idea... stuff like that really works for me... then when something sounds really interesting then it's worth putting the time into fine tuning it with dedicated plugins... if it needs it

[@pavelvojtek3575]

What's the name of the band that plays the song sandstorm? Only the artist Darude found it for me!

[@liamhebden8857]

For 15 hours it's $29.99

[@bille77]

Can't you just do all that with your individual standard reverb and delay plugins?

[@AndreasR86]

On the one hand this seems like a really fast way of routing delays into reverb. That said, screw waves and their "upgrade" scheme.

[@URRBANELEKTRO]

Agreed will never buy another waves product because of that scheme !!

[@studio.kaedinger]

Not really sure what the problem is with their upgrade scheme. I have plugins from versions 9 to 12 happily running alongside on the same machine. No one's forcing you to buy upgrades.

[@oyahthefirst]

@@studio.kaedinger nah man. She's obligated to buy it now.

[@iainmcguire7190]

@@URRBANELEKTRO Then why are you watching video reviews of waves products?

[@studio.kaedinger]

@@oyahthefirst Unfortunate. At least I didn't have to pay for any upgrades for the last 6 years now, and all my plugins are still working fine.

[@nathanielcade947]

Check out the Nektar Panorama P1 controller. nektartech.com/panorama-p1/

[@GeorgeHammondMusic]

Might be a waves plugin I actually get

[@KnzoVortex]

Just remember you’re going to be obligated to regularly pay the renewal fee. Even if you don’t want to, they tend to force you into paying it through less than moral means. But I mean, I guess a single plug-in would cost that much to renew regularly.

[@GeorgeHammondMusic]

@@KnzoVortex I have tend to find that only people on mac have to regularly update it, some of my waves plugins are still on v9 and are working fine here, but I understand what you are saying, their email tactics are annoying as all hell

[@studio.kaedinger]

@@KnzoVortex I never paid for upgrades, not sure why you might have to. I have versions 9 to 12 running on the same machine without problems.

[@KnzoVortex]

​@@studio.kaedinger From what I've heard waves eventually starts to use a lot of sneaky tactics to force you to upgrade. I've only heard the horror stories so I don't know exactly what they do, but it seems like they cause your plugins licenses to stop working sometimes, or maybe they stop you from being able to use the installer, but whatever it is, I heard plenty of people who were screwed over in some unforeseen way by waves and their upgrade scheme. If you are to take anything away from this, there's at least a chance of it happening to you.

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@@KnzoVortex Never happened to me in the last 6 years, so no hearsay on my side. True you don't get updates for older plugin versions, but all of my old versions still work fine. It's exactly what they say on their website, too. The current installer even guides you to the legacy software installers.