This is HUGE. ‘THE VOICE’ being pitch corrected!?! WHAT the hell is GOING ON??!

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Wings of Pegasus

Wings of Pegasus

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@helgetjelta
@helgetjelta 8 ай бұрын
There are pitch correction on all the voice. I had a chat with one judge a while back, and that judge said it was frustrating that they heard the right voice, but the tv show had a corrected version. So when the judge complaind about pitch out of tune, we could not here it on the show, because the corrected it on the tv output, but not for the judges.
@iliff4249
@iliff4249 8 ай бұрын
I thought they might be doing that
@lesliegaudreau5310
@lesliegaudreau5310 8 ай бұрын
Well that totally matched my theory! Thanks for sharing that insight
@MsAppassionata
@MsAppassionata 8 ай бұрын
That’s so stupid! The only reason I’d want to watch a show like that is to see how the raw talent develops. There’s no way of knowing that with pitch correction.
@PowerRedBullTypology
@PowerRedBullTypology 7 ай бұрын
@@MsAppassionata The singers usually do not actually develop much in these few months the show runs. That is just some story they tell the audience to give the audience a storyline to get them hooked on the show and get them to believe something meaningful is happening in front of their eyes. It's tv. Some people just get aproached to sing in it and that they will get far/win. It's reality-tv.
@iloveaviation-burgerclub-a8145
@iloveaviation-burgerclub-a8145 7 ай бұрын
Well, they have to compete with all those unlabeled independent "artists" dropping overproduced cheap rabit in a hat trick tunes maybe. Music industry is just a pain in the arse.
@Constantijn09
@Constantijn09 8 ай бұрын
These producers are doing a disservice to someone who can actually sing. It is an absolute disgrace
@lydiabentley3413
@lydiabentley3413 8 ай бұрын
Totally agree
@klausschneider1045
@klausschneider1045 8 ай бұрын
What the heck did you expect more - the absence of manipulation in this show or the spanish inquisition behind the coal shed?
@Constantijn09
@Constantijn09 8 ай бұрын
@@klausschneider1045 Well nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition. I stopped being surprised by these modern producers after they pitch corrected and auto tuned Queen’s performance at the Rainbow. This is why I hate the “modern” music scene, as it is run by unmusical dunderheads
@nancyclarke7361
@nancyclarke7361 4 ай бұрын
So true. And, so sad.
@billybubba600
@billybubba600 5 ай бұрын
Great video. I've really enjoyed your videos, and this is why -- When you listen to someone sing you want to hear their voice, not some machine and you point it out. If you want a mechanical voice ok, but it's sort of like texting. My wife and I always told our children "Don't get upset over a text that you think is offensive, as there's no emotion in it. It may just be a sarcastic remark and not really meant the way you 'read' it." I want to know if a guy/girl can sing, and sometimes those quirks of someone's voice is what makes their song interesting.
@Apex-1962
@Apex-1962 8 ай бұрын
I have no musical knowledge; however your analysis is so good it draws me in. Consequently, I end up watching the whole video, even though I don’t really understand most of it. Thanks for sharing your musical knowledge.
@megaturtlesol
@megaturtlesol 3 ай бұрын
Very funny the way your explanation made me think the judges are a panel of dogs. "if they like the voice they press a button". Very cute experiment. I need to invent more lore for this.
@masakikusahara5365
@masakikusahara5365 8 ай бұрын
OMG let's now call the show "The Foice" or something... Anywise I really appreciate your thorough explanation on the art of not just being pitch perfect. Made perfect sense!
@ThierryC-te3rx
@ThierryC-te3rx 8 ай бұрын
Perfect analysis !
@carolsmith3485
@carolsmith3485 8 ай бұрын
I just watched your comparison of Frank Sinatra and Dean Martin's singing styles for "Let It Snow." They make the song their own with their deliveries of being flat, sharp, or right on the notes. You get a real sense of their styles and abilities to know just how far up or down from the note to go to sound great. So, this pitch correction craze is taking away a singer's artistic sense and emotion of a song--detracting from a singer's innate talent, if they've got it. What a shame. Thanks, Fil, for an informative analysis. I really wish you could find time to do more of your own music too. You're a pretty talented guy yourself.
@caret_shell
@caret_shell 7 ай бұрын
Does pitch correction remove ASMR? I got some frisson from the natural version of Bogdan's performance, but not for the tuned parts, but that could've been my bias.
@joshuamaxson4038
@joshuamaxson4038 8 ай бұрын
Excellent analysis mate! Are the shows in the US doing the same?
@googlecontrolled
@googlecontrolled 8 ай бұрын
That first one sounded like they just over dubbed a pitch corrected Michael Jackson on to it.
@DanPyjamas
@DanPyjamas 13 күн бұрын
Hey Fil, I came back to this video today after being shown a Voice: best blind auditions video. I can tell some of them certainly weren't pitch corrected, but the Bogdan one was included and a few others I'd question. May I ask if you're willing to say, what software do you use to isolate vocals please?
@joshidol
@joshidol 8 ай бұрын
what’s new? they always pitch correct everything they can (except the live shows)
@PlasmaBurns
@PlasmaBurns 7 ай бұрын
Its like a piano player sitting at a self playing instrument and pretending to play. I call that Fraud.
@raphaelhudson
@raphaelhudson 8 ай бұрын
Michael often has quite a lot of pitch variation, that is half of why he is so good. Like look at She's out of my life.
@rogercook7338
@rogercook7338 8 ай бұрын
Just recently found your analysis videos. Great work! What software do you use to isolate and analyse the vocal material?
@wingsofpegasus
@wingsofpegasus 8 ай бұрын
Moises.ai is for isolation and an android app called vocal pitch monitor for pitch analysis!
@rogercook7338
@rogercook7338 8 ай бұрын
Thanks Fil. I'll look into those.
@jaimeduenas4162
@jaimeduenas4162 8 ай бұрын
And that is why A-I the machines are taking over. No one wants originality any more.
@Rachaelshaw7
@Rachaelshaw7 2 ай бұрын
Hi I'm just writing this as I'm listening.. is it possible that in the room the people were hearing the proper voice and we're just hearing the post-production? I don't know how TV works or any of this just curious.. oh. Maybe I'm watching too many of your videos
@andypro
@andypro 2 ай бұрын
25:00 that is literal calligraphy! Compare that to the dull (even ugly) handwriting that is the pitch corrected version.
@TheAmtwhite
@TheAmtwhite 8 ай бұрын
Haha, I was curious about these voice competitions. Just not right!!
@ambsquared
@ambsquared 8 ай бұрын
Pitch correction takes out all the timbre of the voice. It makes it sound like a reference tone more than a voice. Kind of like people setting up electric beats in their mixes. When the beat is too perfect it sounds more artificial.
@mimi-3212
@mimi-3212 8 ай бұрын
Does a post-processed, pitch-corrected video contribute to a contestant's progress (or lack of) in the so-called competition? Does the audience vote somehow by watching these? I don't know how it works. It makes absolutely no sense to pitch-edit a singer in a true singing contest, during or after! If it influences outcomes, it is ridiculous and shameful. All the swooning by the judges is off-putting. It's great to see the singer's unedited voice on the graph, plus MJ's as well.
@wingsofpegasus
@wingsofpegasus 8 ай бұрын
I can't say whether they only pitch correct particular contestants as I haven't analysed them all, but I can say Bogdan did go on to win the competition in the end. What you make of that is up to you!
@joetheman74
@joetheman74 8 ай бұрын
That sounds so obviously robotic. And those last two notes. So metallic. If I had the video editing skill I would make a version of this where the judges turn around and see a PC on stage "singing."
@CarolinaCharles777
@CarolinaCharles777 8 ай бұрын
I've stopped watching America's Got Talent because I felt so manipulated. Not sure if they use pitch correction, but everything else is so orchestrated to make us "feel" something. Often making it seem as if the studio audience is exploding with applause throughout a performance. Or making it seem deadly silent if a comedian is not doing well. Hard to know what to trust.
@JOHNKUHNMUSIC
@JOHNKUHNMUSIC 8 ай бұрын
Yeah Fil, I didnt realize till NOW that the vocoder has been in use since the 30s. I always thought shows like CHILLER, OUTER LIMITS etc were usin just a analog signal generator?, Then came flanging vocals, by 70 ,Peter F's/Joe W's talk box.mid 70s ..THEN...My first exp hearin the dreaded VOCODER REALLY synthesizing vocals was Funky Town? Kept hearin this all through the 80s and thought OMG? this is becomin the norm?...The eggheads took over by the 90s and we're so far down the rabbit hole that I doubt most under 50 can even tell when they're being tricked? So thankful for your channel Fil , where young ppl , who've only known digital repoduction of the sonic spectrum can come and know the TRUTH.😎
@beamspickett
@beamspickett 8 ай бұрын
It makes me sad. We pretty much can't believe anything we see, read, or hear anymore.
@CaravanFarms
@CaravanFarms 8 ай бұрын
I had thought I heard it one a couple of them here in the US.... I stopped watching all those shows because I thought they were messing around.
@ThisTrainIsLost
@ThisTrainIsLost 8 ай бұрын
Technology is making appreciation irrelevant or, so far, making the appreciation of vocals irrelevant. I mumbled to myself, is there anything that I can do to escape this mechanisation of the human voice? Yes! Only listen to instrumentals! But, no, there's no comfort there. Pitch correction/autotune is frequency manipulation, so there's nothing preventing tech that's used to alter the human voice from being used to alter ANY sonic source. If you want to "fix" a vocal, then why not "fix" an iffy cello performance? At its root, what has pitch correction really done? It has potentially turned all music into Muzak. Oh my grieving heart! I might just go back to painting.… (Good luck keeping up your enthusiasm 😣)
@hugogreen13
@hugogreen13 8 ай бұрын
More of these “ back in the day” versus the now.
@originalhgc
@originalhgc 8 ай бұрын
I laughed hard just at the video title.
@veramilton833
@veramilton833 8 ай бұрын
It should be called the " Mechanical Voice." I agree with you Fil, why pitch correct someone who has a good voice, especially on a show called The Voice ! Where does this rabbit 🐇 hole end ! Keep calling this out ! Great analysis!
@nickrider5220
@nickrider5220 8 ай бұрын
It's very disappointing, it's misleading and false, hate it ! The industry is destroying the art of singing. Keep up the great work Fil 👍🏻
@Code9
@Code9 8 ай бұрын
I wouldn't say auto tuning is destroying the art of singing. Any contestant who gets through even a couple rounds in the competition is performing the "art of singing" at a high level. I think the damage auto tune is doing is that it's inhibiting people's appreciation for "natural, authentic" singing.
@melindamercier6811
@melindamercier6811 7 ай бұрын
@@Code9they said the industry is destroying the art of singing.
@michaelgoyettemusic
@michaelgoyettemusic 8 ай бұрын
My friend was the audio engineer on American Idol for 2 years. All pitch corrected according to him…..with the exception of the ones they wanted to pick on.
@HrvojeBan
@HrvojeBan 7 ай бұрын
Classy.
@scottallan6770
@scottallan6770 8 ай бұрын
W.T.F. So lucky to have grown musically up in the 60's, 70's and 80's.
@ChristChickAutistic
@ChristChickAutistic 8 ай бұрын
It's a metallic, echo-ey sound. Once you hear it you can't un-hear it. It's the reason I can't watch "live" performances on tv anymore. Makes my brain itch, literally.
@lauraallen55
@lauraallen55 8 ай бұрын
How does an itching brain feel and how do you scratch it? lol
@ChristChickAutistic
@ChristChickAutistic 8 ай бұрын
@@lauraallen55 what relives mine is listening to real music without Autotune.
@mathiasstrom7790
@mathiasstrom7790 7 ай бұрын
​@@k_salter😂
@teresag403
@teresag403 5 ай бұрын
😂
@teresag403
@teresag403 5 ай бұрын
😂
@Vp61-eyeedu
@Vp61-eyeedu 8 ай бұрын
I’m so glad for your videos. I kept wondering why every performance on tv annoys me. Now you have confirmed my thoughts that everyone sings perfectly because of manipulation, and I like to here natural voices and all their little imperfections.
@maybedrinkin3241
@maybedrinkin3241 8 ай бұрын
Me Too! :)
@MultiSky7
@MultiSky7 8 ай бұрын
Take a look at Martin Kosovec, 18 years "old", the winner of The voice of Croatia, singing Fall in love from Tom Jones.
@andrejz8954
@andrejz8954 8 ай бұрын
hear*
@MrThebigcheese75
@MrThebigcheese75 8 ай бұрын
The overacting of the judges is cringeworthy.
@dinahlee3793
@dinahlee3793 6 ай бұрын
Omg...yes
@davehall8584
@davehall8584 8 ай бұрын
Fil..always impressed by your singing skill....it's great...
@wingsofpegasus
@wingsofpegasus 8 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@MultiSky7
@MultiSky7 8 ай бұрын
@@wingsofpegasus Please, take a look at Martin Kosovec, 18 years "old", the winner of the Voice of Croatia, singing Fall in love from Tom Jones.
@Gittche1
@Gittche1 7 ай бұрын
Echt so
@RandyAllen-e4x
@RandyAllen-e4x 8 ай бұрын
Combining you and Rick Beato is like taking a master class in music appreciation! I have learned SO MUCH from watching you two experts. I listen to music in a completely different way now. Fortunately for me I'm old enough that my tastes run mostly to Dino Rock and Dino Folk, so I don't have to put up with this trickery, but it sure makes appreciating newer music a bit of a minefield. Thanks so much for the ongoing education. Keep it up as I'm sure there is still much to learn!
@OneOfUsHere
@OneOfUsHere 8 ай бұрын
I also watch Rick Beato and Fil. Both are masters in analyzing music. My husband was a professional musician who toured the world, he died last year. He used to tell me I had the ears of a dog because I could hear every nuance. We used to watch both of these gentlemen and always appreciated their immense talent.
@rickiovine2170
@rickiovine2170 8 ай бұрын
Absolutely. That is the same combination I use to get the music theory on any performance.
@anngulliver5964
@anngulliver5964 6 ай бұрын
Me too
@123Rockchild
@123Rockchild 8 ай бұрын
I am so proud of myself….I HEARD THE PITCH CORRECTION on that first extended note before Fil called it out! It had a “metallic” sound. I think I am developing a “trained ear”. 😁
@icanfartloud
@icanfartloud 8 ай бұрын
Yay....keep it up
@veramilton833
@veramilton833 8 ай бұрын
I was also able to hear the pitch correction, and yes, it did sound kinda metallic, and just wrong ! FIL is a great teacher ! 😊
@davehall8584
@davehall8584 8 ай бұрын
you are just reacting to the innate value of human expression...connecting emotionally..which is what REAL music is all about!
@Elaine_Parhamovich
@Elaine_Parhamovich 8 ай бұрын
Me too! Fil's videos have me watching and listening to all kinds of music and guitar playing. I was even watching an episode of Andy Griffith and he was playing his guitar. Found myself looking for "fills" in his left hand. 😆
@Shelley550
@Shelley550 8 ай бұрын
Its almost cartoon like, hard not to hear it, defeats the purpose of singing!! Disgraceful..
@mxslick50
@mxslick50 8 ай бұрын
I absolutely HATE pitch correction and autotune!! (Same way I hate the electronic emulation of a Hammond B3) The subtle variations in a natural singing voice is what makes them worth listening to. I used to do stage monitor mixing, and I also despised excessive EQ, and it was a balancing act to EQ out ringing and feedback without affecting things too much. I rarely used any of the effects my rack had either. As for shows like this....the producers should be considered as fraudsters for presenting ANY processing on the voices of ANY performer. Period, full stop.
@IDPhotoMan
@IDPhotoMan 8 ай бұрын
I guess i'm cynical, i never believed they DIDN'T pitch correct on these farce shows.....
@thomasjones4570
@thomasjones4570 8 ай бұрын
Could have told you this years ago. Same with the Got Talent shows, not only are they post processing the performances, they are writing scripts for contestants to follow to manipulate viewers emotionally.
@catw6998
@catw6998 8 ай бұрын
That figures.
@chriskelly8896
@chriskelly8896 8 ай бұрын
100%
@michaelchannon2644
@michaelchannon2644 7 ай бұрын
Absolutely, BGT is a completely manufactured shows. Artists are sourced from around the world and scenarios created to suit the shows narrative. I know an artist invited on solely to be the fall guy for a similar artist. Just so the judges could do a "look this is now it should be done" comparison. I've recently seen a audition show in which one of the plucky young contenders was already a world champion! Enjoy them for what they are but don't for 1 minute think it's an open competition.
@W0rdsandMus1c
@W0rdsandMus1c 8 ай бұрын
Until I started watching your channel I didn't realise it was pitch correction I could hear in songs, I thought it was just my oldish ears that didn't like the sound, all I hear is a Mechanical vibrating sound which makes me wince, really enjoy you showing the reality of it, I have to admit the amount of time you winced in this one made me smile 🤣
@Tvianne
@Tvianne 8 ай бұрын
your ears are fine, is just this butchering going on… cheers!
@markrinehart8813
@markrinehart8813 8 ай бұрын
What would you think if I sang out of tune? Would you stand up and walk out on me? Lend me your ears and I'll sing you a song And I'll try not to sing out of key Oh, I get by with a little help from Pitch Correction Mm, I get high with a little help from Pitch Correction Mm, gonna try with a little help from Pitch Correction (revised Beatles tune)
@BlessYourHeart254
@BlessYourHeart254 6 күн бұрын
Well played, sir, well played 👏👏👏
@enoch1680
@enoch1680 8 ай бұрын
This is fabulous! I want to listen to human beings rather than machines. And you are right, he is great without the pitch correction.
@radupopescu2370
@radupopescu2370 8 ай бұрын
I'm romanian and I can say this happened a few times on blind auditions for The Voice of Romania. It's one of the reasons I've stopped watching a few years back. What's interesting is that the contestants that had their voice corrected were the ones that ended up winning the show!
@luigig6256
@luigig6256 8 ай бұрын
You’re right, what’s the point? Might as well call it ‘The Chosen’.
@krollpeter
@krollpeter 8 ай бұрын
@@luigig6256 I doubt in these "Voice-Shows" they do in other countries it would be anybody else who wins than those they chose, pitch corrected or not. It is a theatre play, not a competition.
@bscorax
@bscorax 7 ай бұрын
Those published videos of the finalists get polished up to let them shine a little brighter.
@allen_p
@allen_p 8 ай бұрын
The new name for the show could be: Fake Voice USA, Sham Voice, Is This a Voice?
@pjesf
@pjesf 8 ай бұрын
“This is a surprise”, said no one ever. Another reason why I mostly listen to vocalists from the eras before PC ruined things. Thanks for another great analysis, Fil 👍🏻
@SeanFication
@SeanFication 8 ай бұрын
Except they are retroactively pitch-correcting those old singers as well!
@pjesf
@pjesf 8 ай бұрын
@@SeanFication True but thankfully I already own it
@theyouofyesterday6254
@theyouofyesterday6254 8 ай бұрын
Don't worry, not all modern singers use pitch correction, and 'real' music is alive and well outside of the major acts! I listen to a lot of independent pop musicians, just a few steps away from the mainstream, as well as jazz, folk and classical artists and none of them use pitch correction. It's not hard to find good modeen music if you look! Bandcamp is a great place to search them out 😊
@sassyrobin420
@sassyrobin420 7 ай бұрын
@@pjesf Yeah. I still have my vinyl collections.
@pjesf
@pjesf 7 ай бұрын
@@sassyrobin420 Nice! I still have some but wish I’d kept them all. Downsizing error 😬
8 ай бұрын
As far as I know, only the live portions of the Voice, after the auditions, duels and knockouts are done. Which makes sense, since live is... Well, live. Still, I'm not a fan of that because they add autotune to some vocalist who don't need it at all, and it ruins their performance and expression.
@peteannells4218
@peteannells4218 8 ай бұрын
I was told by a TV professional (in the next bed in hospital !) 'never believe anything you see on television'. 'Reality Show' is an oxymoron "!
@revgurley
@revgurley 8 ай бұрын
I wish you could do one on the show "The Masked Singer." I think there are different versions depending on the country. But since finding your channel, I swear I can hear when the producers pitch correct so the person sounds better. And oddly (I'm sure on purpose), one performance will sound great, but the next performance is awful. Not having-a-bad-day awful, but can't-sing-a-note awful. While I love the show, and the fun is trying to figure out who is under the "mask," I can't help but be a bit salty that the show isn't honest with the viewers.
@kevlarV2rocketRSV
@kevlarV2rocketRSV 8 ай бұрын
Zactly👍👍👍
@dongerickson
@dongerickson 8 ай бұрын
Brilliant analysis, Fil. It got me thinking about the phenomenon we're seeing among young people who are in large numbers gravitating toward 80's and 90's music via music streaming services. Maybe there they intuit the truer emotions and honesty coming from musicians using their true voices, and on the other hand, see through or hear through the blandness of machine-manipulated voices which is now all the rage.
@eaccristo
@eaccristo 8 ай бұрын
I went to a live show that had Darren Hayes from Savage Garden. Electrical malfunction happened and there was no mikes. He used a battery operated Mike and sang A-cappella …. It was stunning. Incredible performance. I was sad when they repaired the problem. Another example is The BeeGees. They were awesome.
@ChristChickAutistic
@ChristChickAutistic 8 ай бұрын
Very true, Darren Hayes has a magnificent voice with no need for Autotune.
@voulafisentzidis8830
@voulafisentzidis8830 8 ай бұрын
​@@ChristChickAutisticfor me, the frustration is that great vocalists allow industry leaders to mess with their voices. Hence my non-buying rule means I'm paying for talent, not auto-tune.
@ChristChickAutistic
@ChristChickAutistic 8 ай бұрын
@@voulafisentzidis8830 I understand. I grew up in the Golden Age of the 70s, 80s, and 90s, in that I was blessed. I'm also a singer who has worked very hard on my instrument and it's very disheartening to see people with naturally gifted voices to have their instrument tarnished with Autotune, as well as people who are gifted with great good looks but subpar voices become celebrities. It's not a good look for anyone.
@thesussexbunion
@thesussexbunion 8 ай бұрын
Steve Perry!
@thesussexbunion
@thesussexbunion 8 ай бұрын
Steve Perry!
@timz9862
@timz9862 8 ай бұрын
That guy’s voice might not need to be corrected, but his pants that are too short certainly do.
@applemos6714
@applemos6714 8 ай бұрын
Pitch correction does not catch my attention. It’s just like the photoshopped models. It’s the flaws and the natural sound that makes things interesting!
@M0odyBlue
@M0odyBlue 8 ай бұрын
@Wings of Pegasus, Fil, great analysis! What absolutely amazes me is how good your voice is. You can hit the notes, but more importantly, demonstrate what the artists are doing with their voices. I know you’re a rocker, but really, you can do any genre.
@wingsofpegasus
@wingsofpegasus 8 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@TheAnimeist
@TheAnimeist 8 ай бұрын
Milli Vanilli were the ultimate autotuned live performers.
@tnightwolf
@tnightwolf 8 ай бұрын
He has a great voice just by himself! Why pitch correct such a great voice?!
@richardhal
@richardhal 8 ай бұрын
Please keep on doing what you do, it's so important. Just because we have the technology doesn't mean we have to use it. Great expose!! I'm all for the natural voice always. This is not directly connected to your issues, but this guy was more of a Michael Jackson impersonator, which also turned me off. I'd much rather hear the singer's own interpretation of the song. I already have the (excellent!) original....
@SeanFication
@SeanFication 8 ай бұрын
Yeah, the strange thing is that they are even pitch correcting fantastic singers who don't need any help. Madness.
@PeterCamberwick
@PeterCamberwick 8 ай бұрын
Great video sir. It just shows how far this has gone. I was an X Factor contestant back in 2004. It's not something I generally dwell upon as it's so long ago. But now at least I am happy to say that this stuff wasn't going on back then and that our voices went out exactly as they were on the night. The people who apply this pitch correction have backed themselves in to a corner with this.A few years ago, I wouldn't have thought they would bother pitch correcting something like this. As you say, it totally defeats the point of the competition. But we're getting to the point where no natural vocal will be allowed to be heard on TV or radio.
@lebe220
@lebe220 8 ай бұрын
"Eat ze bugs und shut ze mouse! Transhumanism vil rool"
@frankjudepi
@frankjudepi 8 ай бұрын
During COVID, American Idol had the contestants performing from home for at least part of the season. It was ridiculous...it was like a music video for each of them. It was so obvious that it wasn't live. I even spotted a continuity error with one of them. It showed his guitar strap on top of his collar...2 seconds later it cut back, and the strap was under his collar. I'm sure all of these shows have been fake from day one, but we now have the knowledge and tools to catch them. Great channel.
@diannawalker758
@diannawalker758 7 ай бұрын
My niece went to audition for American Idol when she was 18. They drove a very long way for it. She was so excited. They were standing in line, and a couple of producers were walking through the line, and picking out contestants buy pointing them out. Choose them without hearing a note. She cried all the way home. It was a very hard drive home for my brother and his wife as well. It's all fake.
@diannawalker758
@diannawalker758 7 ай бұрын
Damn, his voice is gorgeous without any correction! This needs to stop. Thanks Fil! Still learning so much.
@ezlow1065
@ezlow1065 5 ай бұрын
@@diannawalker758 My son also went for an audition last one for the day but didn't make it but got some excellent feedback. I am so glad he didnt get sucked into the machine. He doesn't need a comp for validation.
@bennettmichaels4309
@bennettmichaels4309 8 ай бұрын
So sad we have come to this...cheers for your hard work Fil !!
@Psalm1267
@Psalm1267 8 ай бұрын
Just proves the whole act is for television and nothing else. The judges and audiences are probably scripted as well. Reality TV has never been for real. I didn't think his voice was all that great, though, in either version.
@lasentinal
@lasentinal 8 ай бұрын
Taylor Swift will be doing an Australian tour this year, 2024, and the tour has been advertised on social media. I saw a commnt that she is an excellent performer who hits every note perfectly. I listened to the advertisement and immediately heard the pitch correction. I replied to that comment about her hitting every note perfectly and was the called a hater by one commentor but received several thumbs up from others. I believe entertainers who do this are frauds.
@p5gBand
@p5gBand 8 ай бұрын
It’s not just this show, the voice program all over the world does this. The artist often don’t have any say in it. You are right about what the judges hear (not from personal experience but from folks who have been a part of the show, as artists and audience members). It is sad that the producers do this to everyone
@TheFtm22
@TheFtm22 8 ай бұрын
It's exhausting. As a singer, it's also discouraging.
@davehall8584
@davehall8584 8 ай бұрын
yeah..if i was a singer..I'd be mad as hell and depressed!
@pstanton2445
@pstanton2445 8 ай бұрын
I didn't care for the song or person's style of singing, corrected or not. And now I know why I don't watch "reality" shows. 😉
@jerrypinkepank8087
@jerrypinkepank8087 8 ай бұрын
Taking this opportunity to suggest a different kind of comparison, between two certainly not pitch-corrected examples of Judy Collins singing Amazing Grace, at age 83 in 2022 at the Shrewsbury Folk Festival and at age 37 at a Boston Pops live event in 1976. While there's a noticeable difference it's still remarkable she can still manage this and it would be interesting to see on the pitch monitor.--Jerry
@winniethepoohandeeyore2
@winniethepoohandeeyore2 8 ай бұрын
I'm not surprised at all sadly,, Fil would you review Susan Boyle's first audition and other performances on BGT and when she appeared on AGT?
@garlicgalore
@garlicgalore 8 ай бұрын
What a sweet, warm voice! So sad it was destroyed on The Voice. I like the word you used - movement. The natural voice has movement, and movement means Life.
@larry4111
@larry4111 8 ай бұрын
This comparison truly makes it clear that the human voice and human ear work in tandem. Music (vocals, specifically) affects us as it does because of the variation in pitch, ever so slightly, as our brains work to decipher it. We are "forced" to "marry" the material. When software makes it "perfect" it removes that processing by the brain so that it actually affects us LESS emotionally, not more, because we aren't processing it the same way. We are less engaged. We're hearing it but we're no longer listening. They are truly doing the performers - and audience - a disservice.
@ezlow1065
@ezlow1065 5 ай бұрын
Yes well said! A subtle disconnection from our humanity the matrix mind control!
@lanzarlaluna
@lanzarlaluna 8 ай бұрын
Additional pro tip to Fil's pro tip: They make earplugs designed for concerts and shows that bring the decibels down a few levels for safety but also make the music sound great.
@uteziemes5633
@uteziemes5633 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
@stevejohnson1577
@stevejohnson1577 8 ай бұрын
Its why i prefer old rock with all its imperfections that give songs character
@matthewhawkins1472
@matthewhawkins1472 8 ай бұрын
His natural vocal was so good and sounded so much better…. Such a shame
@DNA350ppm
@DNA350ppm 8 ай бұрын
We didn't just see it, we could hear it - the difference. Or what I myself could notice, that was that I was moved by the the second, uncorrected, but not by the first version, maybe because I don't even have an ear for pitch, only for emotion. Interesting! 😀 Fil, you are amazing! Of course The Voice is a promise that it is about the voice, and the natural voice only! What a scam, and what a deception of the artists!
@howardmarkert8150
@howardmarkert8150 8 ай бұрын
Could the pitch correction be added to the broadcast of the show after it was taped live? Meaning the judges heard him only and not the pitch correction.
@wingsofpegasus
@wingsofpegasus 8 ай бұрын
Yes, they heard Bogdan's real voice live so it would have been a lot more expressive. The TV audience hear the pitch corrected version.
@areneesouder
@areneesouder 8 ай бұрын
He didn't even need it at all! They did him a disservice doing that to his natural fabulous voice! I'd rather hear the natural, and EVERYTHING that is in it. You're right 👍. I hope they don't do that to him, or anyone else again! That absolutely Does mess up the whole primos of the talent for the show. 🤨 That's disappointing. I knew something was just not right, and it didn't register, but yeah,🤦 I remember thinking that I believe he could/would actually sound even better and more natural with style. This should be banned for the show! This ruins it all! Yep. Thanks for the info. Makes sense 👍💜 And I wish things were tuned to 432 hz, rather than 440. I know music would be even better. Ya know?
@TracyN67
@TracyN67 8 ай бұрын
Ugh, I’m actually not surprised about this. I despise these talent reality shows. I wish I were more optimistic like you, but between pitch correction and AI, I think our entire world is going to be fake before we realize it. Fantastic analysis, Fil! 🙌👏🤘
@Upe-f9c
@Upe-f9c 8 ай бұрын
Hi Fil! Sorry to say it, but this is just crap, and most people knows it. Analyze some good music instead. What about John Hiatt or Chris Farlowe (perhaps in his time in Colosseum), actually really good singers. Give some good examples. Greetings! /Ulf
@DC-mm9zo
@DC-mm9zo 8 ай бұрын
Unreal... should be scandalous. Thanks for bringing this to light.
@josephmckenna4068
@josephmckenna4068 8 ай бұрын
Thanks! I find these vocal analysis videos so interesting! I can see the changes in pitch and vibrato that I find so beautiful in these singers. The good ones often seem to move up to and around the notes and those are often my favorite parts of the song. I didn’t really know what it was that I found so appealing before. One of my favorite bands was abba. They did a song called chiquititta that is nice. There are some live versions out there. It might be fun to check that song out .
@jimwoo9552
@jimwoo9552 8 ай бұрын
I miss the pops and clicks from vinyl records. CDs were fine but excluded the vinyl 'personality' If you're giving a live performance, don't cheat the audience. No one is perfect.
@NonEuclideanTacoCannon
@NonEuclideanTacoCannon 8 ай бұрын
The not-actually-live "live sessions" everyone does now are dishonest. They should call them "studio sessions", it doesn't imply that you're hearing a single take with minimal post-performance production work. Bothers me. People latch onto a word or a phrase, even if improperly used, because everyone else did. I know if everyone agrees something means something, that's just language doing language things, but it still bothers me. Or maybe more like a meme. Ironically, misuse of the word meme is a meme itself.
@buckhorncortez
@buckhorncortez 8 ай бұрын
If only Otis Redding had pitch correction he could have been a better singer. I want pitch correction when I talk with people. The whole world needs pitch correction. I'm being discriminated against because the government won't give me pitch correction. Pitch correction for all... and it's about damn time some politicians recognized the problem and took care of it. There...I'm done....whew...that was a workout...
@tammydoolittle6054
@tammydoolittle6054 8 ай бұрын
Its such a darn shame that great singers voices are being pitch corrected, its awful! Thank you, Fil, for another incredible analysis! You are a genious! 😉
@JimboSRP
@JimboSRP 8 ай бұрын
People ask why pitch correct a good singer? One reason could be that it's not about the singer, it's about the audience/consumer. Are we deciding who we like as a singer, or are we having our ears trained to accept artificial and treated voices? I know that sounds like some conspiracy theory, but i liken it to the food industry and how our palates have been trained to enjoy very high sugar and fat processed diets nowadays. Pitch correcting good looking average singers is probably cheaper and less time consuming then either training them or searching for better talent. I know, I'm too cynical.
@isladurrant2015
@isladurrant2015 7 ай бұрын
Pitch correction gives me a metallic/blood taste... probably just me being an oldie.
@AdAstraCan
@AdAstraCan 8 ай бұрын
I appreciate you being a champion for authenticity! Keep it up.
@johnnymoondog
@johnnymoondog 8 ай бұрын
They should rename the show as " P. C. World ! "
@DawnLenn
@DawnLenn 8 ай бұрын
I appreciate some angst in my music. I want to hear all that pain - makes it relatable. Otherwise, why am I listening? I used to watch The Voice, but it got old, and honestly, I think I was watching it more for the coaches' interaction than for the actual singers. There are very few of the singers that I still remember.
@getsmart9987
@getsmart9987 7 ай бұрын
Everything in entertainment is so inauthentic, it’s unbearable. Clearly the plan is created by the show creators who they want to win, and that is exactly who will win. Anyone who believes the fairytale version, wants to believe.
@tod3msn
@tod3msn 8 ай бұрын
Romanian Voice lessened this young man who is talented by pitch correcting a performer who did not need it. Why pitch correct in a show that features people seeking recognition for their talent when you are derailing their talent??? This clip is seemingly a total travesty and farce in seeking talent.
@danradles
@danradles 8 ай бұрын
What are they judging? how well pitch correction is added to the voice. Just call the show The Autotune.
@SLAmey-mu9hd
@SLAmey-mu9hd 8 ай бұрын
Great video as usual..... Listening to MJ here just absolutely reinforces how utterly amazing he could be.
@michiganderintexas
@michiganderintexas 7 ай бұрын
can you pitch correct in a "live" performance. Or did the show pitch corrected for the episode for TV.?
@WOTEfavs
@WOTEfavs 8 ай бұрын
America's Got Talent is auto tuned as well. The first time i noticed it, I quit watching.
@gavinsaunders01
@gavinsaunders01 8 ай бұрын
What a shame because he seems to have a great voice. Pitch correction used by a prime time singing contest is truly scandalous. No escaping it.
@SnowDogisVictorious
@SnowDogisVictorious 8 ай бұрын
I’m curious about real-time pitch correction, as opposed to post-performance correction. Is that a ‘thing’ too? I expect that you’ve addressed this subsidiary question somewhere, although I suppose it would be difficult to differentiate between a concert performance corrected in real time versus correction after the fact. Please let me know, as I expect many other occasional viewers/listeners would like to know too.
@wingsofpegasus
@wingsofpegasus 8 ай бұрын
Autotune can be used in real time, not pitch correction as its manual!
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