This Is Just Sad

[@freakasaur100]

Let’s be unbiased and fair. If the veilguard was actually good and targeted towards its normal fans that supported the previous games, it would’ve sold like crazy. You guys were the target audience, but not their old audience. If they don’t change, mass effect is going down the same hole.

[@spendog5841]

Right on the money, it was not aimed at its 'real' audience. Trying to make it work for everyone makes it bland and boring as heck.

[@VitoCorleone-tm2qc]

The “real audience” aka the loud minority of bigots behaving like spoilt infants because the game promotes inclusion and equality. What a disgrace?! Human decency 😱. Fed up with bigots just being damn right nasty trying to force minorities human rights be taken away just to keep the bigots happy in the suffering of the other.

[@Egie427]

Say what you guys really mean WE DON'T WANT RAINBOW 🌈🌈 GAMES !!!! Nothing wrong with saying it!

[@alexmikhylov]

@@Egie427 there was a ton of gay lesbian stuff in Baldur's Gate 3, everyone loved the game. this is not about "rainbows", Veilguard just wasn't a good game. you are just a bigot.

[@darthdolo5142]

@Egie427 people who played Baldur's Gate 3, which has LBGTQIA elements to it, should you choose it, proves your comment to be a tad off base.

[@Vantage01]

The game was polished, had good graphics(not art direction), good music, but it dropped the ball in every other aspect.

[@CODYoungGunna]

@@Vantage01 no it didn't

[@cooperjordan1554]

Nope

[@W4rr4X]

@@CODYoungGunna Cope.

[@CODYoungGunna]

@@W4rr4X Sounds like you need to more than I do lol

[@Grandtemplar305]

Didn’t like how linear it felt that’s a big turn off how is it a rpg but I can’t tackle the missions how I want

[@blinkandyoullmissme]

Good. EA are one of the worst companies in the world. If I could specifically remove them from my Gamepass Ultimate subscription I would. Screw EA.

[@OversoulGaming]

LOL your last sentence makes this sound like one of the reviews they read on this podcast called Your Stupid Opinions. "If I could give zero stars... I would!" 🤣🤣🤣

[@Lambwarrior]

It was so sad what they did to dragon age one of my favorite franchises ruined. The writing was so bad, they didn't give you much choices. You couldnt be an asshole or evil. Like thats what dragon age is about is the choices and the writing. I could either have a pack of warewolves rip a whole elf village apart or I could save everyone. When they wrote Dorians character in DAI I was like god damn this is good. Then I just felt like the writing in Veilguard was so bad. Makes me so sad man.

[@trapsaltnburn]

The writing in Veilguard is definitely not up to par with the rest of the series. Something I really worried about when I saw the news David Gaider was leaving Bioware. He was (IIRC) the leader writer on all of the DA games through Inquisition (including Dorian, who is still one of my favorite characters), wrote the majority of the Dragon Age tie-in novels. Like he was the Dragon Age GUY. Veilguard just doesn't live up to it, even with some of the bits I've enjoyed.

[@Lambwarrior]

@ totally agree with this

[@mgk2020]

This.

[@joeschmo3844]

You could _never_ be truly evil in _any_ Dragon Age game. I played them all, you could be a bit of a dick, but not really evil. Not like Fable or Kotor or BG3. Besides, the vast majority of players never do evil runs. The stats don’t lie, not enough people care about how evil you are allowed to be to make a difference.

[@Lambwarrior]

You could make evil choices you could kill the kid at red cliff you didn’t have to do all the circle stuff to save him. You had the choice with the anvil to turn dwarves into golems against their will I would say that’s pretty evil. I’m sure bulders gate 3 has better options and I get that but I mean dragon age origins is how old now and DAI is over ten years old.

[@archangel2015]

I love the fact that is a 15min 26sec, come on guys give BioWare a chance video, because we don’t want to lose another legendary developer. But BioWare is not the same company that brought all those legendary games like the original baulder gate, star wars knight of the old republic, jade empire, the mass effect trilogy, and the original dragon age trilogy. Everyone on the creative side of those games left during anthem, and mass effect andromeda, so maybe BioWare should be shuttered before they tarnish memory of BioWare any further.

[@darthdolo5142]

BioWare did it to themselves. They owe the OG DA fans a "Barv".

[@civilwildman]

What’s a “Barv”?

[@darthdolo5142]

@civilwildman idk if you've played the game, but in one of the more controversial scenes, Isabella talks about "doing a Barv" to which she offers an apology to Taash for misgendering them in the form of doing push-ups. Indicating that saying "I'm sorry" is not an acceptable apology.

[@JakeBass666]

I think where they screwed up is that in most of their games, it's kind of hard to be 100% good. Like in ME, I play genreally Paragon, but I'll still always punch the asshole reporter in the face. In this one it seems like they made it hard to be bad, so you're railroaded into being a goody-two-shoes.

[@CODYoungGunna]

​@@darthdolo5142how was that controversial?

[@CODYoungGunna]

@John-PaulHunt-z8l yall really got to stop making origins out to be somekind of God game

[@damnyoukira]

Gameplay doesn’t sell BioWare games. I buy their games for the writing of the story and the companions. I’ll play through a BioWare game multiple times if the gameplay is fun.

[@jessedawg4693]

You like veilguard and outlaws man how

[@CODYoungGunna]

@@jessedawg4693 because they aren't bad games

[@cooperjordan1554]

Because veil guard is good

[@mrroboshadow]

@@cooperjordan1554 dude the least you could do is not make your alt account spamming so obvious

[@cooperjordan1554]

@@mrroboshadow nope main account and the honest truth, who's alt do you think I am please explain how yelling at the idiots blaming the games failure on gay people makes me an alt account

[@mrroboshadow]

@ 1 your an idiot bringing up things nobody else said just to virtue signal 2 your in several comment threads right behind the exact same account everytime with the exact same time difference on all of them almost like you got a different account and went to the same threads you were on before just to make it seem someone agrees with you to sum it all up. its obvious how pathetic ya are, have a nice day

[@reedl2353]

I have zero confidence in Bioware's ability to deliver an interesting Mass Effect 4. Companies are so scared of offending people now that they only seem capable of writing bland and uninteresting stories. There's no easy solution, either. People have to acknowledge that gaming is a multi-generational hobby. Gen X, Millennials, and Gen Z have very real differences in the way they view "content". I really enjoyed parts of Veilguard, but much of it was watered down to the point of absurdity. You can almost see the writers going, "Ooh, no, we can't talk about that."

[@Insanemonk11]

I'm pretty sure I read they haven't done too much of ME4 in the first place, so we wouldn't even be seeing it for years anyways lol

[@gorgha3988]

To be fair, most if not all of the issues people are having against Bioware games these days are not Bioware's fault. It's EA pushing them in directions no one wants. Bioware has little choice in the matter.

[@Grandtemplar305]

Mass effect 5 not 4 andromeda is mass effect 4

[@Grandtemplar305]

@@gorgha3988facts

[@MikefromTexas1]

It's not the game I waited a decade for.

[@cooperjordan1554]

And they didn't make it for you specifically get over yourself

[@jessemetzger8336]

Apparently he represents over 50 % of the player base. Sounds like you need to get off your high horse. 😅😅😅

[@DMBLaan]

I think Vailguard's story is only "good" if you either haven't played past DA games or if you haven't played them recently. Some of Vailgaurd's writing is just a direct insult to DA's past. From Making all your dicisions from past games pointless by destroying all the lands you want to from DAO through Inquisition off screen, to having exactly 1 impactful choice in game, that really isn't THAT impactful. It's basically a big middle finger to OG DA fans. Good gameplay alone (which is also debatable) cannot save this game.

[@civilwildman]

*Veilguard

[@skeenwynno5437]

*decisions

[@matthewharris517]

I wouldn't even pirate that crap 😒

[@stitchfan08]

Bioware stopped caring about their customers and started trying to push their views onto their customers instead

[@joeschmo3844]

And everyone knows they are supposed to be pushing _your_ views on everyone instead, right?

[@jessemetzger8336]

​@@joeschmo3844clearly the point os they shouldn't be pushing any views. You obviously have a political ax to grind and have no credibility.

[@superbleeder12]

This is what all corporations do. Set crazy sales expectations, only for them to fall flat in order to justify a 'restructuring' and firing talented people and bringing in cheaper and less experienced devs on the next project.

[@LegacyDrummer]

Because veilguard was dripping with talent. Ok bud

[@MrBazBake]

Remember when all those games journalists decided to break from the pack and bootlick Bethesda so hard they blamed the other critics for giving New Vegas (buggy, crashy, beautiful) an 84/100, preventing the devs from getting a bonus set at 85? It's like the entertainment media space (not including these guys here, they're giving them the business) don't have the bandwidth to criticize power structures and instead would rather criticize the tone of how we discuss those power structures.

[@pitchblack189]

3 million shouldn’t have been unrealistic lol you’re in denial of the real issue

[@SageVallant]

@@pitchblack189 Yeah, I can't imagine EA bothering to fund a game they didn't think would sell 3 million. It should've been a reasonable goal for a major developer, all the troubles of the development period aside. 10% of Elden Ring's sales shouldn't be an unreasonable goal for an RPG. It's not 90% less of a game.

[@pitchblack189]

@ DAI sold over 10 million and won GOtY. 1.5 million isn’t bad if the games budget isn’t big but DA Veilguard had a high budget. The only reason they expected 3 million is because that was a minimum goal considering the economy and they knew before release people would be upset over the pronoun crap

[@Lubble-]

All we need is Space Marine 3, Prototype 3, Evil Within 3, Dishonored 3, Days Gone 2 and Remember Me 2, then the world will be right again with a real variety of great games rather than cinematic lumps of people cutting off heads and then feeling sad about it for 2 minutes while a violin of guitar plays.....

[@samgraham727]

Remember Me mentioned. It's a good day.

[@Lubble-]

@samgraham727 it is a good day and a good game

[@JohnCena-rf2lw]

just how shitty is it that instead of getting any of those great games, we get a pile of garbage with the name dragon age on it.

[@ShaenMOGaming]

Dishonored 3: Rumors of His Death Were Greatly Exaggerated

[@Lubble-]

@@ShaenMOGaming the Outsider? It's alright him being gone, he's just one of many previous gods he's not incredibly unique unfortunately, I wouldn't mind a Dishonored set in another continent where it's nothing to do with the Empire or maybe a sequel set a bit later where Billy is the new black eyed god

[@zeroenna8554]

I honestly hope Bioware is shut down and its IP's sold to other studios. Everyone left in Bioware needs to be put on an industry blacklist to keep the taint from spreading any further, and I say this as an openly gay man who is genuinely angry at the portrayal of lgbt characters in the game. This wasn't representation, just a thinly veiled parody of how some people think about the gay community at large. Really sad when our own members are propagating this trash. Don't even get me started on the baby-fication of the story themes and outright removal of plot elements that would just be too adult to acknowledge, I am truly amazed they even were allowed to say the word death without a tutorial note mentioning that is is all pretend and for fun.

[@BobEvil666]

DA:V's problem; it started off good, then the more you got into it, the more generic and less DA it became. Same core problem with Mass Effect: Andromeda. EA are corporate vampires, sucked the creativity out of Bioware and every other game company they assimilated.

[@NxtDoc1851]

The tone, gameplay, characters, and artstyle were all off in Veilguard. All of that on top of being VERY LIMITED in terms of role playing. Veilguard was awful and very likely killed a great series with some of the best lore of any RPG series.

[@LaduAU]

They should of done a trilogy pack before they dropped DA:TV to gain interest again it’s been 10 years since DA:I.

[@darthdolo5142]

@@LaduAU tbh, I don't even think that would've worked, especially when no decisions you made in the first 2 games made an effect in the game, and only 3 decisions from Inquisition were included in the character creator, 1 of which didn't even matter as your love interest in Inquisition never appears and is only mentioned in 1 scene.

[@whatsitmatter9541]

There are too few people who worked on the original DA:O system for that to ever happen.

[@elidragom]

abbreviating dragon age is wild lmao

[@000mjd]

They said can't remaster the first two games because actually dont exists enough people i. Bioware who can work with the original Engine of Dragon Age Origins/2

[@zekonja90]

They should have remade Dragon Age Origins from scratch.

[@josephjackson272]

No, DA was appropriately hated. Bad direction, bad writing/dialogue, boring combat loop. And thats bad enough without adding on the trauma simulator direction with no real RPG decision elements. Stop glazing this crap game.

[@CINEMARTYR]

It’s verrrry obvious why this game underperformed

[@cooperjordan1554]

Yes people being bigoted and hating minorities

[@joeschmo3844]

Because American politics motivated a bunch of bad faith actors to attack the game over stuff that literally doesn’t matter, thus persuading wider audiences not to buy it?

[@shiro9645]

I personally enjoy Veilguard for what it is and I am just grateful to enjoy more of the Dragon Age world. However, I mourn the loss of world and character depth and what could have been with all of the previous choices from the original trilogy making an impact.

[@mgoldstyles]

I think it’s a cop out to pretend that most people who didn’t like the game didn’t make it past the opening. The game was universally panned. You are the outlier.

[@Martynde]

I see you dancing around the real issue of Veilguard.

[@iangray1980]

No they mentioned the real issues. You're just a bigot 😂

[@Martynde]

@@iangray1980 well, enough people think the same way to trash the game's sales. "pulling a barv" and all related discussion around it in the game is financial suicide. but they can continue to add such bad writing. they are only hurting themselves.

[@iangray1980]

@@Martynde you think that's the reason because you're a bigot

[@Martynde]

@@iangray1980 yes, yes. i'm a bigot because i didn't buy a game i'm not interested in for a console i don't have. whether bioware lives or dies is of no concern to me. but if they don't change their ways, they won't survive. how many more veilguards will they create before they declare bankruptcy?

[@MrBazBake]

​@@Martynde So, to recap. "Racism. They should be more racist." "That's racist." "Yes. I'm racist. I also wouldn't have played the game anyway and I don't own a console, so my opinion here doesn't matter, I just want you to know I'm racist." "You're... racist."

[@davidradach9311]

All they had to do was create a really compelling story with fun gameplay and great replayability through choice and consequences, and we would have thrown money at Veilguard like it was going out of style. Unfortunately we got slop I wouldn’t serve to pigs. I used to not want anything to happen to BioWare. After Veilguard, they should be shut down. With or without selling off Dragon Age or Mass Effect. Whatever mojo they once had I’d long gone, and I for don’t know who the hell they are anymore.

[@johnbabin2269]

The conversation about ME4 brings up a position I've long taken. The Problem with ME did not start with Andromeda. It started with ME3. Everything starting with the latter half of ME3 was just awful from a writing standpoint and the endings failed in pretty much every way they could. Andromeda was, in and of itself, a reaction to how much of a mess ME3 made as they just couldn't really continue from the endings of ME3 so they made it take place in another galaxy with characters that left before the events at the end of ME3.

[@PrettyRagdoll]

This. Too many people like to gloss over the fact Bioware took their first real hit to their credibility with ME3

[@ebl7610]

It’s funny how game companies seemingly only focus on the “modern gaming audience” and then are shocked when their games don’t sell. The “modern gaming audience” is a small market and it makes zero sense for companies to focus on pleasing them. Focus on making a good game that satisfies it’s actual player base and the game will gain steam. It’s pretty simple. And it’s been proven over and over at this point. But they want to pander to political groups.

[@Rachel_Starwin]

Veilguard reminds alot of Dragon Age 2. So I'm not hugely surprised that it wasn't super popular. I'm one of those weirdos who really loves Dragon Age 2 as well.

[@WalkingDistance8]

I started the series with Dragon Age 2, and I loved it at the time. It's not a bad game, but it is a huge disappointment if you're coming from Origins. When I played Origins, I never went back to 2.

[@MrBazBake]

"You have to sell 3 million copies of this game in 3 months or you're all fired." "Dragon Age 2 sold 2 million copies over 10 years and--" "THREE MILLION COPIES!!!!!!! THREE MONTHS!!!! THE IP DEMANDS BLOOD AND SACRIFICE FOR ITS BOUNTY!!!!" "How about 1.5 million in three months, that's half a million a month. That's like... so many copies!" "OR ELSE YOU'RE ALL FIRED!!!!" "You want us to match the literal best-selling EA RPG of all time... with a decade-long dead IP... that only daughter-daddies with pot-bellies and unrequited crushes on Felicia Day remember?" "THREE MILLIOOOOOOOOOOOOOON IN THREE MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONTHS!!!!!" There. That's the story. That's what happened with Veilguard.

[@PrettyRagdoll]

DA2 actually had good writing and story

[@Rachel_Starwin]

Let us not forget that Bioware cooked up Dragon Age 2 in under 2 years.

[@jakegrimmer1861]

​@MrBazBake DA:2 Didn't cost over $150mil, and over 8 years of development, for a much larger industry playerbase.

[@VanemanaAMVs]

It wasn't overhated. There were very good reasons to hate that game. But you can preach your truth, to one less sub.

[@sunniedunbar6889]

Not good enough to attract new players; too far from its roots to pull in old players.

[@ModernSurvivor]

It’s an imperfect but pretty good game that a bunch of people got memed into overhating because they get all their opinions secondhand from people who bitch on the internet for a living

[@pitchblack189]

@@ModernSurvivor I hate to tell you this but the reason they watched those people that were pointing out Veilguards bullshit is because they agreed with them

[@joeschmo3844]

It is exactly mindless followers looking for an excuse to hate something and getting that excuse from content creators who know that hating a game gets more view than liking it.

[@pitchblack189]

@ you just can accept that people don’t like that garbage and they’re tired of hearing people you or review outlets disregard their opinions so they find a content creator that talks about it and they say, yes this guy/girl gets it. The game was garbage

[@Lubble-]

Nah it's more people like you who look for anyone who likes what you don't and then attack them like a child having a tantrum..... ​@@pitchblack189

[@techlorknight338]

​@joeschmo3844 mindless? What's mindless is thinking everyone didn't make their own opinions when finding out how little choices matter, how neutered dialog was, how the party went from 4 to 3. And that's just the beginning. Only mindless individual is you thinking this game isn't trash when compared to previous entries.

[@desertpunx7720]

I have to disagree with you both. Veilguard might have been a good game if it wasnt a dragon age title, had better more interesting characters, better writing, and was made for fans of the series. Playing Veilguard made me want to go back and play the older titles instead.

[@IamSumfoo]

I was about to post this exact comment. It was the same thing with Andromeda. Might have been an okay game if it didn’t have the Mass Effect title along with it. When you scrub and undo everything the previous games have done it feels more like a slap in the face. That sour taste is not going to translate into sales.

[@CODYoungGunna]

It was a solid game

[@witecatj6007]

Another problem was how limited the combat actually was. You realistically had only 3 options and the party members were only there to detonate primed attacks.

[@desertpunx7720]

@witecatj6007 yeah they really pushed the combo didn't they

[@CODYoungGunna]

@@witecatj6007 you just didn't build correctly at all

[@Poeticbj]

EA has been screwing Bioware way before this. I remember when EA forced BW to rush the production of DA2 and really ruined a game that (quietly) still had one the best characters, villain, dialogue and MC they ever made.

[@stevecraig7643]

How about make a grame like Dragon age origin. Open world. Tactical combat. Branching story. Branching dialog that effects story. Hub to maps design was crap.

[@papiagua]

The only way to fix this is to make a sequel to or remaster to Breath of Fire 3. Completely different studio but I don't care EA work with Capcom and do the damn thing

[@civilwildman]

EA needs to stop functioning as a company. They ruin everything they touch.

[@hairycoo]

Veilguard isn't a game. It's a lecture.

[@thestoneshooter1151]

🙄🙄

[@Darkeus1]

A HR lecture.

[@thestoneshooter1151]

@Darkeus1 sure are a lot of sensitive little youtube commenters.

[@davidradach9311]

Don’t get me started. If I want a sermon I’ll go to church. I’m all for different paths in life, but to cram one ideology down everyone’s throat was arrogant and ridiculous.

[@SageVallant]

Question: Did you play the game to reach this conclusion, or just watch the clips of the worst bits of the game?

[@DavidC-fk2wg]

Wonder if this game would have been better received if it wasn't a Dragon Age game? The art and combat style was a big departure from the previous series and the gameplay might have been better in a new IP.

[@alexmikhylov]

no. it wasn't very good in general. without DA connection it would be just quietly overlooked.

[@steveperry2321]

It might have avoided the backlash but looking at the complaints it'd be likely to be "just another generic rpg " lost in the sea of generic rpgs in the growing list

[@Darkeus1]

​@@steveperry2321 This says a lot. It is a very generic fantasy game, not Dragon Age.

[@TheGrethor]

Veilguard just felt off .. like a Disney movie. and dont get me wrong, I like my Disney movies. But when I think dragon age I dont think of Disney!

[@PrettyRagdoll]

The only way you could call Veilguard "over-hated" is if it was your fist Dragon Age game

[@SunsetDude664]

Calling b******* on this review where was this review 2 months ago when it released it really could have used this positivity now that it's all died down and people are tired of the negativity here you come along doing positivity I love the game this sucks...jeeze

[@cppblank]

No company has realistic expectations is the real problem.

[@jmccain22090]

I enjoyed the combat, and the game is beautiful, but man that is some of the worst video game writing I have ever endured. All the characters are insufferable and not at all memorable, minus Lucanis, he’s pretty cool. Had they wrote the characters even half as well as BG 3, I think it would’ve been a hit.

[@BenMcMurray]

I feel like yall give the game way too much credit for a 70 dollar game from such a big studio. I think your bar of expectations have been moved way way to low. Expect more.

[@joeschmo3844]

You clearly never played it or else you would know it didn’t cost $70

[@BenMcMurray]

@@joeschmo3844 It was 70 on console

[@BenMcMurray]

@@joeschmo3844 Also they say it in the video. See 2:06 Clearly you didn't listen while watching this video?

[@joeschmo3844]

@@BenMcMurray They can get things wrong. They are fallible humans. You must not watch their content very regularly.

[@joeschmo3844]

@@BenMcMurray $60 on Pc, not 70. If it costs more on console then your problem is with Microsoft and/or Sony. They set that price.

[@TacoEX1]

REMEMBER: We lost “ALICE: ASYLUM” for… Veilguard.

[@MrBazBake]

Another Alice game? Meh.

[@Lubble-]

wait.....What??!! Back the hell up and explain?????

[@WiilleTsukka]

If Exodus (Mass Effect-esque game by ex-Bioware people) comes out this year and is really good, that could be the final deathnail to Bioware.

[@civilwildman]

I take it you mean “death-knell”?

[@Lubble-]

A good way of showing the contrast of what players wanted and expected vs what they got is to look at the box art for Dragon Age Origins and then Veilguard.... Like night and day

[@MrZenchiglow-ez1ek]

Bioware thinking they were selling 3 mil out the gate is hilarious.

[@orderneo]

My biggest complaint is, why did they take out the blood from dragon age and make it sexless

[@bgko91880]

One heavy handed cutscene and ugly character is enough to deter people from playing, let alone purchasing this trash. And that's not even acknowledging how boring the combat was.

[@CODYoungGunna]

@@bgko91880 that sounds like a you problem

[@VinSmokey-nz5px]

The modern political push really killed it. They couldn't even bother to wove it naturally. Just threw in some modern terms, shine a spotlight on it, and called it a day...

[@civilwildman]

*weave

[@OversoulGaming]

It's really stupid that people consider gender identity and stuff like that to be political. It should just be a basic human right. It shouldn't be political. It should just be able to be in a game and be as normal as straight people or straight relationships without people pointing at it and bitching about it. People's right to exist is not political. Honestly I think calling it political is a gaslighting tactic brought on by bigots to try and dismiss it as propaganda rather than representation of everyone equally

[@Darkeus1]

​@@OversoulGaming If it was written with any tact, then it would have been introduced naturally. DA:V is heavy-handed because the writers do not know how to express these things. Game ended up being a self-insert.

[@Zephy_Sky]

​@@OversoulGaming it's not about specific characters existing naturally in the game. (For some people maybe, but thats not the legitimate criticism here) It's about the heavy-handed way certain things are presented that feel inauthentic. In a medieval world constantly under threat of darkspawn, how and why are modern day social political issues a thing? There are so many other more pressing matters in a world like this I find it difficult to believe these issues would sprout up naturally on their own within this setting as we know it. Especially considering these things were never touched upon in previous games lore. Things like the surgeries. It would be an unnecessary and dangerous risk to take. Not to mention the technology and medical knowledge required wouldn't exist. Things like preferred pronouns. This is a modern day concern with only a small niche of people that has no natural place in a dark medieval fantasy setting where it would be so low on the totem pole of concerns it would never pop up. Multi-racial races. It's obvious the story comes from a modern day western dev team when every town looks like the American melting pot. It's obvious this is only done for forced representation and tokenism purposes. Things like this don't just happen naturally in a world where horse drawn carriage is the primary mode of transportation. There is more I could pick at, but the point is all of this and more are done because of an ideology that doesn't respect consistency and logic. It's immersion breaking and objectively makes any world of fiction worse.

[@TheChibiGingi]

Any game with that kind of developmental hell wasn't going to meet those kinds of sales expectations. Even if they had listened to fans or did everything 'right', there was no way this game was going to make $3 million sales in the first two months, not in this economy anyways. EA knew this and will now use this as an excuse to double down on even more bone-headed decisions come the next Mass Effect.

[@Rodgozinua]

There are enjoyable parts to the game but they are not enough to overcome the horrendously cringe writing. The combat is fun to start but eventually becomes so stale as its the same thing over and over and over, no new mechanics to the different factions of enemies. 6/10 at BEST.

[@CommanderLost]

What!!! but I thought dragon age was a perfect 10 masterpiece I mean that's what you guys said? 😐

[@evanwoodward6376]

Aside from the alt-right straw man that is based purely on hate, all the other criticisms are correct. The gameplay is meh, the writing is anywhere from okay to embarrassing, forgettable story and companions. Not to mention neutered world building and pointless choices. The fact that there are no morally grey or evil options is disappointing and the lack of steamy romance also disappoints. It’s a forgettable, overly safe, pale shadow of what came before. I hate to admit it, it deserved to fail. It’s slop and is not worth wasting time on. Balder’s gate 3 makes DA:V’s entire existence pointless.

[@CardCrusher29]

A majestic "return to form" according to the gaming media.

[@Checkmate9moves]

DA:V is a great measuring stick for how seriously you should take VG Media. That game was a preachy, poorly written mess. Sorry fellas, we're not buying this cope

[@parisbarber2748]

Sounds like the one trying to cope is you. The game wasn’t preachy in any capacity. Poorly written is your opinion (and I’ll agree, some of it was pretty poor) but it definitely wasn’t preachy.

[@darthdolo5142]

@parisbarber2748 the fact that you say it's checkmate opinion, and the proceed to offer your own opinion is quite hypocritical. Because I'd venture to say the amount of players will not agree with your opinion.

[@parisbarber2748]

@, how exactly is offering my opinion to his a contradiction? If I had said his was opinion and then tried to pass mine off as fact would make it a contradiction.

[@OversoulGaming]

​@@darthdolo5142who agrees with who is irrelevant. Taste is subjective. Everyone is entitled to like or not like whatever they want

[@darthdolo5142]

@parisbarber2748 you didn't state yours as opinion though. That's the difference.

[@Gauchograd99]

Andromeda was not very good with "meh" writing, Veilguard decided to play in the political mine field whether they wanted to or not with some characters, and you couldn't be "mean" to anyone which has been a part of the Dragon Age series. You literally cut the potential gamer pie in half with the political stuff before removing the "fun" for people who want to be jerks like they were in Mass Effect. How could you set an expectation over 2M sales when your own analysis should have recognized you set yourself up to fail. Personally, I never finished the last Dragon Age as I got bored and moved to other things. This never even caught my eye as "fun" or even interesting, and after Borderlands 3 being a disappointment I can wait for the game to prove itself before I would ever buy it. This one just ... fails what I am wanting in a game.

[@steveperry2321]

And how many people have made comments on their experiences being less than stellar without mentioning political or such check boxes to get called a bigot and such. I see it all over.. personally when i see continual insults and attacks from those blindly defending a game from any and all criticism im going to be lead to believe its a bad game. And likely to go into searching elsewhere for a different game. And when most/all the prerelease reviews are using obviously heavily "inspired" wordings not just one word but a phrase its blatent. Then look at most scores of 70/100 in the past the reviews tend to explain why not just drone on. Was a fan of dragon age until i seen the paid ads posing as prerelease reviews. As someone who reads and uses reviews both critic and player to decide to buy/not to buy bioware is another company im no longer supporting.

[@cooperjordan1554]

1. No one cares about your support the company will continue fine without it 2. Nope over half the people complaining are bringing up LGBTQ people specifically you're on the side of homophobic people 3. You are the problem

[@jcsmiley1255]

I felt like I'm the only one who enjoyed Dragon Age the Veilguard. It's nice to actually hear yall say good things about it

[@TY-km8hj]

All of the staff who made bioware what they were are all gone snd have joined/started diff studios. Bioware is bioware in name only. If they can't get dragon age right, i doubt they'll get mass effect right. The studio is dead on the water, lets all leave it there and all the other devs who ignore/abandon their fanbase/creations

[@wolfhowl983]

I bought it at about half price... didn't make it beyond 1/2 -1 hour past the character creation. I care about story and character. This wasn't bad for Bioware, it was just bad.

[@nukers1234]

But when it's 10 years since their last release in a franchise, and not a very big franchise at that (yeah, just because we play it, an rpg of this type isnt a game seller like some of the other games EA publish) someone is smoking something unhealthy when they belive they get these numbers of an relative unknown IP

[@Syldarin]

Veilguard was the first dragon age for me and I really liked it. Made me Play inquisition right after and it was great too. People are too sensitive.

[@iulixMAXgames]

You Really love garbage games 🤷‍♂️

[@VinSmokey-nz5px]

Some people have low standards

[@njames197100]

Let ppl like what they like? It's not hard

[@Darkeus1]

I mean. You can't account for bad taste. But you do you.

[@Cthulad]

Dragon Age was just started and it is over 10 hours in. I am enjoying it. Seems pretty fun. I think EA and the games industry just cannot seem to take a "Loss" in the world. There is no more "Printing money" for the games out there. I still don't play a lot of EA, but Bioware is home brew and I am always all over a game they make.

[@BramTheDemon]

Bioware needs a major restructuring, because after seeing what a travesty Veilguard was, I have very little hope in their developers.

[@papiagua]

Honestly it's not a bad game at all - it is its own game if that makes sense. But looking at vids of the non-binary stuff that feels super forced is such a turnoff. Not to mention the out of NOWHERE decision that dictates the rest of the game left me feeling some sort of way. Like c'mon man that was bs

[@zekonja90]

According to leaks studio in Edmonton is getting shut down.

[@papiagua]

@ Damn that's a shame. If this was a standalone title this would have done very well. But based off of the lineage it was received very poorly. Why don't these companies JUST LISTEN!

[@deweycheetumhowe]

​@@zekonja90Not surprised. It's their 3rd major release flop in a row.

[@TheFuzzyWuzzy]

I liked DA:V, despite some of clunky dialogue and story, but my thought in it is that it doesn’t feel like a game that continues a story it feels like a game that ends one. They lost a lot of momentum from a 10 year dev cycle on it so it feels like this is meant to wipe the board to start fresh on the next one

[@MRInvidian661]

The problem with Dragon Age Veilguard isn't simply inconsistent writing. It's that it released AFTER Baldur's Gate 3, which is basically the type of game anyone who played and enjoyed earlier Bioware games, like DA: origins, KoTOR, etc, were all looking for. Veilguard wound up being a... Basically following the trend of Inquisition, which was kind of taking the franchise away from the old school RPG people who cared about the series... Well... Cared about. You can't have it both ways. You can't continue a long-standing IP with an established continuity where each followup game is a direct sequel of the previous title and create something both old fans and potential new players are happy with. You have to target one or the other. Dragon Age is not Final Fantasy. It isn't a completely new continuity every time you release a title. It is a continued story, and one that at this point is closing on TWENTY YEARS old. If you go after new players, you're going to add things that ostracize the old. Many already felt it in Inquisition, and Veilguard just turned that Inquisition "Detachment" from the original title of the IP to 11. If you cater exclusively to old players, then you miss out on potential revenue from new players, but at least you are delivering a consistent product, which is looked upon more favorably when you do announce a new IP from the studio. EA has just mishandled a lot of things in recent years. No one asked for a Mass Effect 4, especially not after how linear and devoid of RPG elements the series became as time went on. To that same extent, no one asked for a Dragon Age game that didn't feel like Dragon Age. Especially not when we got Dragon Age: Dungeons and Dragons released by Larian.

[@MartynThomas]

NGL - I got DA:VG in the 40% sale...and i found it frustratingly bland. It runs well, but the writing is almost universally clanky, (I don't care about the Tasha stuff (I'm proudly part of the LGBTQ community....but goodness the writing was bad), and makes me worried for the next Mass Effect and the future of Bioware

[@joeschmo3844]

Sounds to me like the problem was EA setting all of their expectations unrealistically high. That’s the only explanation for _everything_ failing to meet expectations.

[@tinselpuff]

Maybe it's just copium, but I genuinelly really enjoyed Veilguard, I just wish it gave us more, it left so many crumbs; we as diehard fans deserved more.

[@witecatj6007]

A good RPG needs a good story. A good battle system cannot paint over a joke of a story that didn't respect the long time fans investment and love of the series.

[@whatsitmatter9541]

That's what happens when you put someone who forces their personal agendas.

[@VitoCorleone-tm2qc]

Personal agendas? What? Human rights and equality are personal agendas? I think people like you punching down on human equality is a personal agenda fuelled by your ignorance and out of pure spite.

[@cppblank]

Veilguard's gameplay was actually quite good, but Josh probably did make a good point since I got it for $40. At $70 I might not have been as into it.

[@konradzukowski213]

On one hand, I'm glad Veilguard failed because it shows players' decisions and opinions actually matter and how important it is to vote with their wallets. On the other hand, it's the gaming industry we are talking about and they too often learn wrong lessons from their mistakes and blame their failures on everything but the actual reasons behind them .

[@CODYoungGunna]

It didn't fail

[@konradzukowski213]

@CODYoungGunna Game sold approximately 1.5 million copies, which is below 50% of EA's sales expectations, meaning they've earned over 60 million $ if you account for the 30% earning cut earned by sellers of the game. And when you consider that this game went through a decade of development and multiple hard resets, it's safe to assume EA spent at the very least 100 million $ on this game, meaning that Veilguard quite possibly lost them a lot of money. If that's not a fail, at least financially, i don't know what is.

[@CODYoungGunna]

@konradzukowski213 you do know based on the copies sold that they have at least made 90 mil off of this game lol. EA said that the last 3 Battlefielda have been failures too and each of those games made at least 100 mil. Vailguard is going to continue to sale copies so it will continue to make money

[@konradzukowski213]

@@CODYoungGunna 90 million $ is only possible if we assume that EA gets all 100% of the game's 60$ price tag, which is not true. In most cases they only receive 70%. Platform holders such as Xbox, Play Station and Steam that sell games on their store fronts take on average 30% of the sale, even Epic Store takes 12%. The only case where they get 100% without any cuts is on EA's own Origin storefront but that's a very small portion of all the sales. So even tho the amount money EA's earned is probably bigger than my 64 million $ "worst case scenario", I'm willing to bet my own arm that EA hasn't earned anywhere near 90 million $ and considering the average cost of AAA games and multiple problems, internal reboots and delays which add costs even more, I'm willing to bet that EA still hasn't gone even with the budget and still hasn't seen any profits coming from this game after 2 months on the market and sales only slow down from this point forward.

[@CODYoungGunna]

@konradzukowski213 no it's not and the game came out at $70.00 usd. I don't think you understand that. At launch the game sold between 151,000 and 480,000 copies on steam alone with the lowest price on any platform being 41.99. Earning 90 million over the first 3 months of a games lifespan is not bad. EA just has high standards. The game looks to have at minimum broke even for EA and that's not acceptable

[@BookBurrow]

My fantasy itch has been very well scratched by BG3, Dragon's Dogma 2 and FF16, all of which are great games, and for a fantasy game to attract my attention now it really has to be something special. Veilguard is far from being anywhere near as bad as, say, Facebook comments sections would lead someone to believe (seriously, we're talking borderline hysterical and crazy-toxic dialogue there) but it just doesn't feel like it's worth my time.

[@TheWorldMemeDatabase]

I found out about the lack of Dragon Age Keep and only 3 decisions being imported several months before the release just like everyone else. It took me those months to realize the gravity of what that means for the game and the world that I love so much. That was the only thing that I based my decision not to buy the game on, and it took that long to make it. Call it wishful thinking, willful ignorance - I was blinding myself to the fact that this can't be a Dragon Age game as I and many others have come to define it. It's a soft reboot. Looking back, I could've made that decision the second that news came out.

[@illuminatusdeus3051]

Veilguard started very well.. but then the non binary conversation with the characters mother... and then the varric dying (I felt they killed a legacy character), the entire final wolf transformation, a first in the franchise, and then one character dying... not evening needing to kill the final blighted dragon, kinda felt it not being a dragon age game and more of a childish copy... started well, but ended badly in my books unfortunately

[@rickinielsen1]

Based on everything I have seen from Veilguard, it looks like it is a pretty good game... if it was half the price. But as it is, even being a massive DA fan, I am not in a rush to play it. Same situation with SW Outlaws. Looks OK-ish, but not on a crappy launcher and at full price for not even the complete game... If they cannot make proper AAA quality games, I am not paying full AAA prices for it... Lower the prices and I will lower my expectations and play them.

[@ChaseSchleich]

You can't sell a mediocre game for $70. If you're going to charge $70, you better have a great game. People have no problem waiting on a sale for a mediocre game. That FOMO isn't there because there's nothing special being missed.

[@gorgha3988]

I'm definitely enjoying Veilguard myself. Yes, it has flaws. Most small, but also a few big ones. I liked both Origins and DA2 better but I think Veilguard is at least as good as inquisition. Perhaps even a bit better. The combat is slick AF. The visuals, while definitely different in style are just bloody amazing. The story, while I am very disappointed that they took focus away from Solas, I think still stands up even if it doesn't stand out. All in all while it isn't perfect by a long shot, it definitely does not deserve the hate it has been given.

[@theaychgee]

I buy like 2 full price games per year. Veilguard did nothing in the advertising or the coverage to make me want to spend that kind of money on a game. With money and finances the way they are in America at the moment.... it is almost impossible to afford all these games and the quality is not there to justify the cost to my wallet.

[@civilwildman]

Glad I held off on getting that game. Still hoping to play Baldur’s Gate III sooner or later.

[@stuntmandoom7704]

Mass Effect 3 MP STILL rips, can confirm the servers are still popping on xbox. Such a brilliant loop, DLCs are free, closest things to Helldivers without a PC/PlayStation. The Geth engineer is my main if you see a green one bouncing around the galaxy for the Crucible.

[@edneragnarok]

Overhated is a good way to describe it. Veilguard was fun

[@trinityangel666]

I’m a big fan of Dragon Age but the problem for me is Veilgaurd just dropped the ball. They modernize it too much. This game felt totally different from it’s predecessors and the story was just to simplistic and Disney. The dialogue was cringy at times and some of characters were just boring. Its didn’t feel like a fantasy rpg to me like the last 3 games. I didn’t hate the game but tbh it’s the worst DA game I’ve played. It really hurts to say that as a fan of the series. I really think developers of this game didn’t not play any of the previous games or read any of books. To be honest this could have been its own game with a new name.

[@JustaGuy2.0]

Bioware went from being one of the greatest developers ever, to be a shadow of their former self. Will they ever come back to former? Honestly....i don't think so, i just think it will close sooner or later. But contrary to Black Isle, where everyone was gutted (then they returned as Obsidian), no one will care if Bioware goes the way of the dodo since they killed themselves before it happens. And Bioware used to be one of my 3 favorite developers...

[@linooliva3965]

Making everything gay and making the main character a weak passive leader while also removing all real choice and ability to bond with your team is what did the game in right gameplay is nothing when you aren’t even making the game for the audience

[@darkshadow1966]

If the game sold 1 billion copies at $100 each ea, and other companies, wound still not be happy 🤑

[@logansrevenge1214]

I love Dragon Age, and this game sucked. Sorry, but the hate is deserved. You can say it's not as bad as a lot out now.

[@FergieTheTaurus]

EA is a very money hungry company. They have almost totally ruined Apex Legends, a game that used to be one of my all time favorites, with their greed. If something of theirs doesn't sell more than 3 million or more, they consider it a failure. It's sad, really.

[@dannydude8886]

EA interference has always hurt Dragon Age. Origins was an incredible game from start to finish. Dragon Age 2 was good but disappointing and it's pretty much the way all the games since have felt.

[@mattc9209]

This is yet another miss by a major student. These developers and their publishers need a new market research methodology.

[@bryanpowell2388]

I’m enjoying the game but i agree with the critiques and Taash story line is her dealing with her mother accepting she’s non-binary just does not fit in this game it feels forced

[@scottyncc]

Some amount of turd polishing going on with veilguard guys.

[@lucky8dog]

Veilguard hadn't had Trump like ppl bagging it out before it even came out and the bad media release decision, it would have done better

[@lorar323]

Quick correction note for the sake of accuracy: the Veilguard was not $70 on release for the base game; it was $60 for console and $50 for PC and I was pleasantly surprised that the price point was so consumer-friendly in an era when the average price for a AAA Studio game is indeed $70 or above. Reiterating the incorrect price points several times as a sticking point is problematic.

[@matttipton6009]

Pretty much expecting the next Mass Effect to be a giant turd.

[@patton3338]

I don't understand the 'underneath the game was good' argument. Dragon Age did not have benefit of the doubt for that. People were already upset with the series. They needed something to hit it out of the park, not dribble along. This game had trash writing and mediocre combat and mechanics at best. It deserved to fail, and it deserves the criticism.

[@krondor007]

Dragon Age hit their target audience and even sold the number expected. Blood mage check, wait nvm afraid of fun, healer check, too afraid of misgendering to cast a heal spell, heal potions randomly scattered through out map why? Good preaching telling you how bad you are check, removal of all fun joke or good one liners check, a battle occuring in a world of dragons nope just modern problems without any choice.

[@pierbelizaire1495]

Sooner or later upper management will push you for a more "optimistic" forecast even if you know it's not realistic.