This is making Janis ANGRY

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

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[@JunP-k9d]

What do you think about a rule for E vs W that gives a foul to competitors that scream at referees, or try to intimidate/bully the refs to influence the officiating. Maybe you can suggest to Engin to make the rule because the refs should not be disrupted or intimidated by the pullers. "JUST SAY GO" "KEEP IS ELBOW DOWN" ...why should devon or any puller be allowed to give orders or commands to pressure the referee. I believe its one of devons tactics to gain advantage before go in the set up. He even uses his wife and even child to yell commands to manipulate the refs. If devon wins let be a fairly won contest. I really dislike watching devon climbing, carving, false starting, etc before go especially when he probably would already have a really good chance to win in a fair grip. and devon pulling after "stop" is also shameful, the guy has no honor

[@artetasmuse]

The reality is no one is even close to John as the undisputed 🐐. He can lose every match from now until he’s 90 and it wouldn’t change a thing.

[@jasraboin]

yup…. all arm wrestlers are living in the house that john built

[@Dmgolfer22]

I disagree that nobody is close. He is the GOAT, But Devon is close and may surpass. Both #1 overall in 3 separate decades. Devon has another 10 years in him. Not even considering his impact on this sport outside of the table, he’s right there.

[@Ron-Swanson]

You guys might hate this and disagree, but look at the resume of Devon he is the only one that has a body of work any where close to John, Devon is not the GOAT but he is at his all time peak right now let’s see what happens in the next 3 years.

[@evokaiyo]

John had been dominating for over 40 years in the sport of arm wrestling. That's insanely longer than Devon thus so far. Devon has had his own great achievements, but hasn't been so dominant until more recently, so he has a long way to go to match John's career. It must be said that John also has his own movie and was in a movie with Sylvester Stallone lol. Nonetheless, with his social media presence, Devon has been a huge part in the growth of arm wrestling, far greater than John. We also have Larry and Engin who equally stand on that pedestal with their amazing efforts in promoting the sport. All of them deserve goat status in that regard. There are no losers, only winners here 😁

[@Ron-Swanson]

@@evokaiyo now we will have to see how prolific Devon can be

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Sorry guys for weird audio. We will fix it for the next one. Got new mics 30 min before filming this video. Sounds great but not good stereo.

[@Flornmonk]

I actually really enjoyed the audio. Might be a bit different if you use headphones though.

[@deoTS1]

it does sound good! but janis was hard left and coach ray hard right. just speculation, but if you bought two cardioid mics, take a look at ORTF pair vs. XY pair configuration. to me, this sounded more like ORTF (more separation between the left and right channels).

[@deoTS1]

@@Flornmonk headphones will definitely make a difference for perception of stereo separation! this is because with speakers, both ears hear both channels. but with headphones, the left ear hears the left channel, and vice versa.

[@GeminiMoto]

Tbh didn't notice, sounded pretty natural imo

[@dude157]

The GOAT is John. It's going to take someone like Devon doing what he's doing now, across multiple weight classes, for another Decade to match John's current resume. But John is still near the top of the world in his weight class. and may never stop. His lead and dominance seems unattainable

[@emilianodavid7419]

correction, john managed to dominate up to 5 weight categories at the same time, something that devon never did nor will do because the weight that suits him best is that of a heavyweight

[@konanabanana2200]

I would say Devon needs 5 years more being top5 shw and title of how possibly lhw to surpass John. You have to remember how the infancy of AW was during John's era

[@shakya00]

​@@emilianodavid7419What are you even talking about ? He dominates every class. Devon is the best heavyweight armwrestler in the world and now he is potentially the best non-injured super heavyweight armwrestler. So literally n1.

[@fxpascal4399]

​@@emilianodavid7419At that time the sport was not that hard compared to now...

[@Dmgolfer22]

John was ranked #1 at different times in 1980s, 90, and 2000s. 3 decades. Devon has been ranked #1 in 2000s, 2010s, and now 2023. 3 decades. He’s already there. Not to mention his overall impact on the growth of the sport.

[@tweek2775]

With the right arm, John won 2006 Nemiroff 95 kg and open 2007 Nemiroff 95 kg and open 2008 Nemiroff 95 kg and open 2009 Nemiroff 95 kg and open Even at Nemiroff 2010 when injured he took 4th place in +95kg and open... In my opinion, John is the best p4p of all time. Babayev, Zoloev or Procopciuc are not even close to John when comparing p4p status. The abilities that he displayed while weighting between 92 - 95 kg makes him the undisputed GOAT.

[@LeahRobb]

That snowmobile accident has ruined the last two matches and will affect this one. And before that, John was suffering from covid symptoms. John doesn't seem to back down if he is not in his best shape. All credit to him for that, but sometimes I'd like to see him wait with epic matches until he is in tip top shape - age taken into account.

Disagree, I think Voevoda is the one in trouble here!

[@uchihaobito5071]

you were right

[@Ron-Swanson]

Thanks for saying it. Idiots who are brand new to the sport have computers and phones they think that watching a few videos makes them an expert.

[@snakemaster7]

There is no GOAT replacement.

[@AllThingsFascinate]

In general i always agree - John is the goat. But i do think it is relevant how much the level or the sport has changed, as John often says.

[@Alex.McManus]

John injured himself pulling Taras before his match with alexey.

[@Ronel_9719]

yes

[@House276]

They definitely should make a movie about John's life journey. Forever G.O.A.T

[@chrisrisnear7819]

Bruh

[@carpenterjim7906]

The question is: when will we see The Jedi back on the table? :)

[@viktore7369]

Thank You Raimonds and Janis for bringing up the GOAT topic. It’s pissing me off when people say Alexey Voevoda, Devon Larratt etc is the GOAT and this and that…

[@kvltst]

Love the discussions from you two. Cheers.

[@Bixll09]

John will always be the GOAT... of Armwrestling.. End of story.

[@osba70]

There is never a "GOAT" without the "Goatmakers" Abraham Lincoln-

[@dino-vk2cp]

no way anybody will surpas Johns wins

[@HyakuJuu01300]

voevoda might be the biggest balloon in AW history. His biggest achievement is beating a 198lbs John one time in 2004 while he himself was 260+. After that he "quit" the sport and avoided John at all costs. 2 years later in 2006 John was in 242 class and was destroying everybody. But the oh so great voevoda chose to pull pre-Kingsmove Michael Todd instead of facing John and having a real match to set the record straight. He then "quit" the sport once again. Only to come back and get smashed by Tim Bresnan. Anybody who puts this guy even in top5 of the GOAT list, let alone #1, is delusional to say the least.

[@fastest3712]

Lol. Voevoda came back in 2007. He was offered to pull John, devon but both refused to pull voevoda and that's when michael todd step in kiddo. John and travis did after with voevoda after michael todd match and John said that voevoda was toying with him. He was too much. John said that voevoda was pulling him and lifting him all over the place. Voevoda had no competition after his win and decided to retire just like in the first place. A man ahead of his time.

[@HyakuJuu01300]

"He was offered a match but John refused" yeah right. The same way a right hand match with Denis was offered but Devon refused, right? Man, Igor got y'all believing everything he says😂.Let's see that snake pay Levan's(and other atheletes') top8 prize money first. voevoda came back in 2007, beat Michael Todd and ran away. Meanwhile John was winning the zloty in 2007, 2008 and 2009. It's clear as day who ducked who. Get him past Bresnan first then we'll talk.

[@fastest3712]

@@HyakuJuu01300 voevoda was on a vegan diet and was not even close to 2004 shape with bresnan. A peak voevoda slams a peak John brzenk. Deal with it. No version of John would have been able to beat voevoda that day. Voevoda was just a stronger guy at that moment. Cry about it evne tho it has been almost 20 years 😂

[@HyakuJuu01300]

Oh no not the vegan diet 😂 Are you Igor's alt account or something?😂 Anyways, Bresnan fathered that fraud and that's a fact😴

[@HyakuJuu01300]

@@fastest3712 Bro? What did I tell you?? Alexey Voevoda is a *BALLOON*. He's the biggest fraud the sport of armrestling has ever seen.

[@Slip_The_Jab]

John is on the Mount Rushmore of arm wrestling. You don’t and couldn’t chisel him off. You could only hope to get on the mountain beside him. #GOAT

[@enworb]

John, Jordan, Ali & Bolt are once in a lifetime in their sports. Therefore forever GOATS. Contenders are amazing (I’m a huge Tyson fan) but not even close. Only Bolt’s achievements can be surpassed because its a race against time.

[@biswasronit]

Don't forget Michael Phelps!

[@jamesdjl4359]

This match would've been more exciting to me several years ago. When John was a bit younger, healthier, and stronger. He's not in contention with the top super heavyweights anymore. He's aged out of that position. When he pulls with Devon, Devon just toys with him now. John has not been in top form for quite some time. He has even said so himself. Alexey will have a size and youth advantage. The only things that John has going for him are his experience and activity level. That said, Im always "pulling for John."

[@vargvikernes5617]

He kingsmoved while crapping his pants

[@tonycapp9377]

That thumbnail truly is the most angry i have ever seen Janis 😂

[@AntiPlatitude]

GOAT is not a title that can be stripped away by losing a match. It is a cumulative honor that is unofficially bestowed upon a single man who defines what it means to be the greatest in your sport. What is meant by “the greatest” is defined by the people involved with the sport, including the loyal fans. I think by using this model when asking who the GOAT of arm wrestling is, the answer is quite clear.

[@markiyanhapyak349]

*ESPECTACULAR!!* 👏🏻×10³!!!

[@armwrestlingfan6804]

Voevoda is the one that will gain nothing from losing

[@gergelynemeskeri8046]

!!!Old mans POWER!!! John has to win

[@neverstoppulling5169]

Alexey never deserves to be even mentioned when it comes to talking about the GOAT. Alexey is a quitter. Plain and simple. He made a come back.. lost .. what did he do? He quit... Meanwhile John has been here for 40 years. Ups and downs.. but he didn't quit like a little girl and give up. And now Alexey is going to do THE SAME THING if he loses...

[@tuglord]

Get this damn Bobsledder

[@darthdad2650]

If you look up goat in the dictionary you will see John brzynk

[@edwardprokopchuk3264]

If Alexey beats John, him vs Angarbaev would be a very interesting match!

[@filippecha7909]

Travis Bagent crushed Alexy Voevoda on left if I remember correctly.

[@fastest3712]

Left was never the stronger arm of voevoda

[@dvr1337]

Right also😂

[@bhuwanpande-f6c]

2004 victory of 125 Kg AV is so overrated against a semi retired 95kg JB dealing with array of injury problems...2006 version of 110kg JB would have crushed AV...im bemused why ppl talk of 2004 victory without any context, it was a win for the sake of a win

[@ericpapilayaTV]

Let me ask the question at what point there might be a discussion for the Goat title? If it includes Longevity and peak, how long would Levan have to be on top? OR if Devon beats levan in a rematch… would he be the highest peak ever AND have longevity points. I actually do believe if Devon beats Levan… there should be a discussion

[@Iclamb024]

Well that's a good way to wake up an old beast...

[@patman4917]

I'm intrigued on what Alexey can bring to the table since he looks more motivated this time than his comeback with Tim Bresnan but guess we will see at KOTT. Im still going with the GOAT for the win!

[@jw3807]

Denis looks absolutely terrible for 41 years old. His body is going to break down at a very young age unfortunately.

[@hamstrungharry259]

Still can't believe he's 41. Dude turned from being pretty handsome to Orc Overlord after the fall.

[@madawcofarreat2348]

Denis is only 5 years older than I am, which is kinda crazy to me. He looks older than my stepfather who's had heart replacement surgery and other stuff (of course he's not insanely buff and strong like Denis, but just in general appearance of age). The same thing goes for Engin who's only a little more than 10 years older than me, but looks like a decrepit old man at 48 years old. All of those substances really messes with you, especially HGH.

[@stekelly1980]

Where is Todd Hutchings in the ranking of kings?

[@dodumichalcevski]

Not even close Maybe top 30

[@stekelly1980]

@@dodumichalcevski of all time?

[@InnerSyncMusic]

No matter of the result,John will always remain the goat.

[@jamesm6006]

Alexey was a flash in the pan.

[@fastest3712]

Ohh really 🤡

[@jamesm6006]

​@@fastest3712That's exactly what Janis and Ray are saying. If you didn't already know that you're an idiot.

[@tonygallo2361]

nope dont think so

[@Blackhand9791]

Janis looking swole. 💪

[@QuietToproll]

Didn’t Ron Bath and Travis beat John in 2004 as well? He wasn’t good that year. Also Karaev won John in 1998 but it was in a tournament and John pulled multiple weight categories. John could never get revenge because he left and went to fighting/sumo.

[@markiyanhapyak349]

Not even if alexey would win 100 times against John he would be the greatest!!

[@noncomplacent]

You're right. John dominated an obscure, underground sport that no one really took seriously for the first few decades. He's the goat because he was in the right place at the right time.

[@bcherry8953]

When someone talks about who is the goat, compare a 40 year period and see how they stack up. It's John, and only John. There are people that have a few years they are amazing, but no one has near the longevity at the top. John has fallen off, but you cannot expect someone to compete against much larger opponents at almost 60 and still win every match.

[@markiyanhapyak349]

Absolutely Correct!!

[@velko2433]

Doesn't matter who won , John will always be the GOAT.

[@gripriparmwrestling]

If I recall Alexi lost to Travis twice right In his few years competing ? No one wants to acknowledge that

[@altair227]

Veovoda lost once right hand to travis you just lied kiddo. And travis lost once to Veovoda on the left as well. And veovoda got revenge on the right hand.

[@tyr2019]

@@altair227 Travis beat voevoda in 2003, but they actually had a supermatch both arms in 2005 and travis won both arms

[@altair227]

@@tyr2019 thats a lie travis got whooped in 2004 zluty tour on the right hand and after that they never had a match on the right what BS are you smoking kiddo .

[@dvr1337]

​@@altair227travis beat him 3x overall and his left match wasnt even a challenge it was 6-0😂

[@tropik5724]

John won 😃 and he was experimenting those last ones.

[@danharris2007]

John Brzenk is the greatest ever

[@MichaelPolca]

The trolls are moving in fast with there ridiculous comments and stats🤥😂

[@Hwd371]

John is just collecting a check at this point. He is still the goat

[@dvr1337]

John had a few looses to other people which he never beat. People hype voevoda too much

[@Latinomicz]

I can't see John beating Alexey now. John's looking "good" against arm wrestlers knocking on the door of the elite. Though against the "elite", John isn't looking as good these days. Age might finally be catching up with him. Can you blame him? He's pushing 60... You can only ask so much from living legends or champions. In boxing as they call it, father time is undefeated. I think John is past father time and more like Grandfather time, lol. This might be the only moment in history where you can say Grandfather time is undefeated and John just might be there.

[@jameswebb3410]

Irakli,Ongarbaev,Devon,Zoloev,Petrenko,Zurab are all 100% elite and John did exceptionally well against all of them win or lose

[@Kar999_]

This is quite controversial 😮

[@rogerplourde1151]

voevoda is a beast ,,THAT react amazingly to enhancement,btw you guys are amazing ,,no bullshit ,,just amazing table insight

[@Inlinesk8rr]

John built the sport not Voevoda. Voevoda was there, he became a champion then promptly fucked off. Contribution to the sport isnt even comparable! Commenting here post match so id like to say.... JOHN IS THE GOAT FOR ALL TIME! Despite this conversation about "goat status", John's secure status also has him as the gatekeer on the dividing line between significant step up everybody else. If you cant beat John you aren't getting a shot at any top contender.

[@stevelegreid]

I wish I could train with you guys over everyone else💪🏻

[@GangdamStyle20]

Who would be the greatest without steroids? Janis? Puller XYZ??!!!

[@Zenzuu]

John is the underdog in this matchup. He has experienced more wear and tear on his body, not to mention the long-term chronic shoulder issue he has dealt with over the years. His endurance is also not as good as it was in his younger days. Coming off four consecutive losses has greatly demotivated John. I want John to win, but I think Alexey will take this one... At this point in his career, John can pick whoever he wants to face. He has nothing left to prove. John could lose every match until he's 90, and it wouldn't change his status. Longevity and legacy are what define him as the greatest of all time. The man truly deserves it.

[@soakedbearrd]

Leon spinks aren’t considered Ken Norton the GOAT, neither is Buster Douglas considered the scariest man alive. It’s not who you beat, it’s what you’ve done consistently against all the top competition for years and decades. The issue is many fans are casual, they don’t know the history. The only one that comes close to even making an argument is Devon, but I would say Devon is the GOAT of this era, not the GOAT of all (John easily). Lupkis, and Dean were the goat of their eras, so was denis. If denis comes back and makes a good run against the top, then he can be in the same discussion as Devon.

[@ernestorodriguez791]

👍🏾

[@manuzidane]

In that sense Tim Bresnan is the real goat. Tim defeated Alexy and Alexy dont have a win against Tim. 😂😂

[@shibboleth_without]

Who said this? Even Voevoda said that John is his big inspiration.

[@fastest3712]

Nobody said that. This two are clowns making content for views

[@rp1297]

john will beat vevoeda

[@marcofigueroa5629]

If John lose will not lose his goat titlle I think is about he star falling down losing all matches, the own name as goat means in any sport that you are from kind begging till the end in top and jhon still have up and downs , he is goat but what he accomplish in general life but as now ...he isn't the goat in terms of winning

[@christophermocoy4874]

alexy win

[@poliano]

Sorry, Janis but no one will be able to erase the history that John the GOAT had made in the arm wrestling world. Voevoda had also made his name as well but, arm wrestling is not about steroids only!

[@arncj18]

1 fight 1 win doesn't mean you are goat. tell that to devon fans

[@horsiemetaldetecting5975]

Can you guys make a video about the "pronation lift" and how it compares to isolated pronation, what muscles are the main movers etc. Its a weird one, because anyone can hold X weight on their pronator if we isolate the wrist, but once you have do do elbow flexion the hand supinates etc. Is it really the pronator thats the limiting factor there for most people or brachialis/brachioradials? Pronation shuts off the bicep, so thats my main theory why it is so much harder than regular backpressure. Anyways, would be a very interesting video imo

[@allphornunn]

Anyone who strongly disagrees that Brzenk's the goat should just hear the guys out. Especially after 4:30 talking about his smaller size and long record of pulling super heavyweights is a key point to understanding why. No one's saying he had equal power as 400lb Levan at his height last yr before injury or 275lb Larratt at his (super -pancake) best right now. It's an overall judgement about accomplishments of each puller's arm wrestling career. If you don't agree that's what G.O.A.T should mean then we agree to disagree lol

[@martinfranzen9151]

Thing is....and i'm pretty sad to say it..i love both voevoda and brzenk but would feel that a win for brzenk in this match would be fair and so like..in the heart for brzenk ❤️ But my prediction is that voevoda is going to win pretty easy 😬 Love them both as said 🙏👏

[@markiyanhapyak349]

This makes *NO* sense!!

[@PhoenixBlacke]

Sorry anyone that leaves for years at a time isn't the Goat in anything. John has showed consistency for 40 years. Meanwhile Alexey left to join a bobsledding team and be in politics. You think you can just beat 1 guy every decade and be the best? Cmon

[@altair227]

IMO Veovoda charisma and aura is unmatched and to me his the greatest ever. He dominated everybody in 2004 right hand. He never continued because he proved to the world and himself he doesn't need to prove anything anymore.

[@mirospajic9929]

Finally, someone who knows what happened with Alexey! Brzenk is GOAT in his class, but he can't win Cyplenkov, Levan or Voevoda at their best form!

[@utewbd]

@@mirospajic9929 Wow, a natural sub-200 pound guy competing clean wouldn't beat 300+ pound guys who almost die from steroid abuse before turning 40.

[@dvr1337]

Haahhaah there was no one in his weight class in that year tbh. He was avoiding denis back then😂

[@mirospajic9929]

@dvr1337 What about Travis? Denis was pretty unknown in 2004 ! Until 2007, Denis had no chance against Voevoda! After 2007, Voevoda wasn't active in arm wrestling! If he stayed, he probably would be on the same level as Denis, Puskhar,...

[@dvr1337]

@@mirospajic9929 dude denis trained with voevoda back then hahaha theres videos of this time. Denis was national champ before voevoda even. Get ur facts before u talk. kzbin.infoQoo56HBkf2s?si=aiM8-qOXavSR0JOH Denis started 1999, he became national champ im 2003 and started training voevoda around 2002 already. Voevoda had absolutely 0 chance back then and never went into any national tournament where denis was in:)

[@awareabbasi6592]

Alexey is best💪

[@thomasthetankengin7722]

Is this a joke?? If an out of shape John B loses to a younger stronger athlete, that makes Alexy the GOAT. Janis, put down that crack pipe...

[@derekpeiderek7396]

The armwrestling in general GOAT is Devon! 👊💥✌💪🇨🇦

[@GerardKieran]

Poor John...he has unfinished business with Voevoda.. but unfortunately his advanced age might have weakened him too much to handle this match :( I really am rooting for him though

[@erosoropeza8609]

i have the feeling john is going to sweep him worse that Tim did back in 2016

[@senditsillly1423]

asdf

[@joshholden8561]

Alexy is never gonna win this match. Jk i see it 60 40 alexy but i want john to come strong.

[@fearlesslegend2073]

6-0 easy alexy

[@aohjii]

vovoeda is looking massive compard to john

[@Bomb6A9Head]

Devon is the goat anyway

[@reapercarl5047]

Pritty sure there just trollin if they wanted to make a propper agument for the goat it would be dwvon 🤔🤣🤣 im only half joking hes had both left an right hand number1 in most wait classes also makin such big moves so late in his carrer is truely imprssive

[@unknown_suspect1245]

In my opinion the only way for John to be surpassed is Devon’s current reign lasting another 5-10 years.

[@MEEFSAGA]

devon cheats out his opponents everytime & avoids everyone until its more convenient for him

[@unknown_suspect1245]

@@MEEFSAGA opinions don’t take away from his greatness lol he wins he wins it doesn’t matter what someone on a KZbin comment says… He’s about to have 3 world titles in different weight classes

[@vargvikernes5617]

not only does he cheat out his opponents, he sometimes gets a referee to help him 2023 Ermes 2022 Levan 2012 Bresnan 2008 Brzenk

[@unknown_suspect1245]

@@vargvikernes5617 get a grip

[@dvr1337]

Devon needs to pull some tournaments first he will not win any😂

[@1283907]

There is only one person in the world that has the potential to challenge John's GOAT status. That person is DevonLarratt.

[@treeroot7505]

Don’t make Janis angry. You wouldn’t like Janis when he’s angry.

[@DinoJacky-p1y]

I think the only one who could ever potentially claim the title GOAT besides John is Devon, IF... 1:He beats a juiced up, fully loaded with creatine from Chernobyl Denis. 2: He goes on to beat Ongarbaev. 3: He goes on to beat Levan ... within the next year or two. AND THAT IS STILL VERY ARGUABLE, even if that would happen.

[@erosoropeza8609]

and get back both hammers for number 1 left and right in the world

[@altair227]

Nice dreams he will never beat Levan also he is beneath brzenk not to mention devon is a steroid head himself and denis is already above him in terms of stats and achievments. Hope devon get beats like when genadi kicked his ass again in november. Dodging Vitali is not goat material 😂😂

[@dodumichalcevski]

If Devon can beat those europeans in this time He becomes the goat

[@dodumichalcevski]

​@@altair227 Omg how delusional are you John used Steroides his entire life. Devon will destroy Denis easy. Devon was about to kill Genadi but his started PLAYING with Genadi thats why he lost

[@DinoJacky-p1y]

You are one weird person.@@altair227

[@cocoloco4twinny]

If anyone is in the same sentence as John its Devon or Denis.