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[@CanuckCreator]

Yes this was a one take, unscripted handheld video with minimal editing. But i wanted to talk more about this. ALso, i forgot to mention in this video, the entire top component of the printer frame was shipped incorrectly assembled and i had to rebuild it the right way on stream for assembly Its a 600$ machine, it shouldnt need to be mucked about with for it to function properly out of the box. Also, in regards to the injection molded parts, there all single component parts, so if a bit is mis aligned, you cant really fix it, the whole assembly needs to be replaced. and no, most voron mods and parts are not compatible since the extrusions are a different style

[@joshualuttrell5377]

What's a Bambi fanboy?

[@CanuckCreator]

@Jstthts Can you link me the files for the sv08 then? Also, the parts are designed with injection molding in mind, NOT FDM and i guarantee there will be issues if trying to "just print a replacement part" Also, bambi fanboy? LOLWUT

[@CanuckCreator]

ALSO ALSO You shouldnt have to replace components out of the box on a brand new 600$ printer

[@skaltura]

this at 600$ ... Troodon 2.0 Pro is wicked good value, as is K1 Max.

[@Behemos]

@Jstthts Shouldn't have to reprint parts you already paid for dumbfuck. Your opinion is garbage, stop posting.

[@Sovol]

👍You’re absolutely right, Nero3D, and this is exactly why we valued getting your professional opinion on the machine before launch. We are working to resolve these issues, most of them software and profiles, but also the hardware issues you pointed out, well before customers get the final versions in their hands. Thank you for your honest feedback, as it helps us put out the best product for our end users.❤

[@BobsNewHobby]

This is a good comment, although you say the hardware and software issues will be fixed well before customers receive them so with these going on sale next thursday, how is that going to happen? What is the lead time on the first batch once sales are live next week?

[@davidvalens3337]

can you please add UBL to your firmware klipper?

[@TierDrama]

please make it as silent as possible

[@jonnysimps]

Plz make a sovol sv08 mini based on the voron 0, i will literally buy both of them

[@YgorAmaral]

=)

[@chrismay2298]

My take lines up with yours. This idea that pre-ordering a printer, being the beta testers, fixing the issues and then praising the company has to stop. Finish them before selling or even advertising.

[@braga3dprint]

Finally a reviewer that's not afraid to speak! Seems like every other video on this printer is: 1-great printer 2- half price voron 3- here is my affiliate link...

[@mynameisprivate158]

This is KZbin, you either hear shills for company X praising company X and bashing company Y or shills for company Y praising company Y bashing company X. What I heard here was some pretty nitpicky stuff so overall this looks like that it will need a couple profiles, and update to the firmware (big woop), the cable rubbing can easily be fixed as well as the wire grommet. Really pretty small issues for a pre production unit! The only real issue was the defective plastic gantry piece and that hopefully will be addressed and hopefully he got one that was damaged or if they are all faulty Sovol will ship out replacements. I would plan on upgrading to all metal gantry sometime if I bought one myself and I am sure either Voron sells the parts already or someone else does if it is a clone or someone will in the very near future. Or just 3D print some parts if needed!

[@333donutboy]

The 3d printer "race to the bottom" usually means that you'll get the bottom of quality. The real focus should be put into the "race to the middle". Something in between a Bambu Carbon X1and an Ender 3.

[@nigelbassett3791]

The only problem with that is not everyone can afford that. There should be an appliance equivalent to phones: no matter how much you have there should be at least something for you

[@Azzysdesignworks]

You wont get the middle from China. Its not a race to the bottom, its a tactic to drive out all competition.

[@XHolyPuffX]

@@nigelbassett3791That's what the new Ender V3 printers are for. Or hell, even the Qidi Q1 Pro. It's $470 even after their "early bird price" countdown expired yesterday. Those printers are a middle ground. This thing is just a disappointment riding on the Voron reputation as a sales tactic.

[@coreymartin9630]

Unfortunately I think BBL already has that locked down with the P1 series

[@coreymartin9630]

Unfortunately I think BBL already has that locked down with the P1 series

[@jomiller7332]

well, just got mine, I m a 3d Newbie, but I had no, issues, I also bought a A1 bambu, print quality is on par, but speed is really impressive on the SV08 ,

[@MakerMark]

Rather spend 8 hours making this work than 100 hours building a voron and making it work

[@KevinDurant22]

Why not just get a Bambu lab A1?

[@MakerMark]

@@KevinDurant22 the svo8 is a lot bigger.

[@KevinDurant22]

@@MakerMark and? 99 percent of the time that doesn’t matter and if you really want a big printer there’s better options

[@HopeThisWorks]

I appreciate your efforts to keep us informed of issues like this. I know for myself, I'm still interested. For the price point, I'm happy to work on it.

[@davydatwood3158]

This contrasts very interestingly with NextLayer's video - in that he acknowledges some of the same weak points but he's coming at the printer as a pre-production sample being sent out for feedback, much like you've described the Magneto-X. So it's intriguing that the communication was different for you. I do think leaving off the panels was a good idea. Bambu did their enclosed ABS-and-hotter printer first and then offered a discounted machine aimed at PLA/PETG, and I feel like the perception of that was super negative. For the first - what was it, a year? - anyway, the period when only the X1 and X1C existed, so many people were whinging about how many hoops one had to jump through to print PLA on the machines (that were, of course, never intended to be PLA workhorses). And then when the P1S was put out for those users, everyone whinged about how it was "just an unfinished X1." In this case, Sovol is being upfront: here's the printer, it's set up for PLA and PETG like most of you use, if you *want* to print with ABS you can make your own side panels or we'll sell you some for an extra bill. Also, I *really* think that any printer shipped today needs to have an all-in-one nozzle and throat. While I can see the value in wishing for a standard to emerge for that, I also am well aware there isn't one yet, and so everyone is going to try their own path. Personally I fell E3D ought to just drop the cost of liscencing the Revo down to a bare minimum and try and push to have that become the new standard, but that's not actually my decision to make. In any case, the whole "screw together three different parts that are all made from different metals and hope that it's tight enough to not leak all over the place" V6 style hotends are horrible and dead tech and need to go away toute de suite. So I disagree with you that those two traits are bad things and "not finished." The software issues, though... that's not so good. I mentioned on NextLayer's video that I was disappointed that a company selling 3d printers wasn't using 3d printing to produce plastic parts (and at the same time help push large-scale additive manufacturing), and your issue with the bearing stack makes this doubly so. If you're able to get in contact with another review/user/whomever, I'm very curious as to how wide-spread that issue is. Anyway, really cool to hear the perspective of someone who's thoroughly versed in Vorons!

[@CanuckCreator]

If your gonna sent a printer, thats basically trying to copy a voron, to someone who runs a youtube channel thats features a lot of 3dp content, and who is also on the voron team itself, im gonna judge it like a voron and it comes up lacking in pretty much every field. There are some nice points, the way they did the firmware is ok, and the servicability is good too. BUT its not a voron The resemblance is just cosmetic, no parts are compatible, the frame and extrusions are different profiles, it is its own thing, other than being a flying gantry corexy, it has nothing in common. As for the panels, vorons are basically known AS ABS printers, thats what there designed to do, and for how much Sovol has plastered the name VORON on their maketeing and even box for the printer, it doesn even COME with a ABS/ASA profile included, just pla. and now, anyone who wants panels needs to pay for them, (and pay for seperate shipping) for a couple bucks worth of acrylic sheets with holes in em to enclose this.

[@картошка-т5э]

I disagree about nozzles and throat all needing to be one piece, the system has worked fine on quality machines for ages and combining all of the parts is just wasteful every time you need to replace it

[@davydatwood3158]

@@картошка-т5э For a very, very long time 3d printing has only been accessible to people who knew how to *build* a 3d printer. One of the biggest parts of this was the nozzle system. I spent nearly as much on replacement hotends for my Ender-5 as I did on the printer itself because getting all that crap properly butted together is REALLY REALLY HARD. I'm glad for you that you've managed to get good at a really hard thing, but pretending it isn't really hard just because you've learnt to do it is a disservice to both yourself and everyone who *hasn't* mastered it. Making 3D printers available to the masses means eliminating pain points, and the V6 style nozzle is a massive pain point. I bought an X1C specifically because of the all-in-one nozzle design, and while I'm happily upgrading to a Revo to improve the nozzle swap and cross-platform capability, the system is orders of magnitude more reliable and I will never, ever, ever, buy a printer with a multipart nozzle ever again. So now the only question left - and neither of us have data on this, of course, so this part is, I admit, all just opinion and speculation - the question is, are more potential cutomers like you, or are they like me? E3D, Prusa, Bambu, and now Sovol seem to think more people would rather have the single part nozzle.

[@davydatwood3158]

@@CanuckCreator I don't disagree with anything here, I just think that from Sovol's perspective, as they try to sell this printer to people who have heard of Vorons but aren't actually interested in *building* a Voron, making the default printer optimised for PLA and making the ABS capacity an "upgrade" is better marketing than making the default printer optimised for ABS and making PLA a "downgrade."

[@kostjas.2743]

@@CanuckCreator there is the option to buy the printer with enclosure included. also I heard they work on an open source ams enraged rabbit kind of multi material. That would benefit the community in my opinion. Then again your comment was 2 weeks ago, dont know if that was known already. I agree though that they should have kept the printer a little longer in the oven and prepared for release.

[@bubbasplants189]

Thank you for not reviewing this printer.

[@KolMan2000]

Update to add to this from Nero talking in Discord. THERE IS NO BEARING SHIMS. Also that crooked pin was actually just a pin that was literally too short to even attach on the bottom and top

[@NuttiestNut]

@sovol you better fix this prior to shipping the first batch out..

[@Dont_Poke_The_Bear]

I am REALLY glad I found this video. I have been in the hobby

[@WMH-3D-Printshop]

when will they stop being so busy with having to be first on the market with their new products. in the end, it is our money that contributes to their existence. no customers no business , that's it. again it depends on groups and people to have to make mod improvements and more to make things work properly. no names are mentioned, it is more or less all manufacturers. I'm looking forward to the day I can buy a machine that they really put sweat and tears into to deliver a good product and not just go after people's wallets and delicate souls who just can't stand for something new and sparkling. You are as always honest and straight to the point and tell it like it is. 👍

[@rukidding7588]

Been done. It's called Prusa 😁

[@cybergnetwork588]

@@rukidding7588 Prusa is outdated garbage with unpolished/incomplete firmwares. I'll give you a break by not talking about price tag.......

[@rukidding7588]

@@cybergnetwork588 you're entitled to you opinion. I disagree. My MK4 has worked flawlessly, and the firmware is so good I'm not even tempted to convert it to Klipper. I haven't seen any other printer that can make a full bed 1 layer print with no issues. I'll give you a break and not talk about the plural of firmware.

[@TorianTammas]

​@@rukidding7588 You speak of a 1000+ machine that is surprise a bit better then something half the price

[@ToryBohn]

And this is why i like your printer "not reviews" honest and no nonsense. Saves me the time and money.

[@anyalei]

This video was such a breath of fresh air. Thanks for the no bullshit attitude, honesty and candour!

[@totalkiller4]

i hope Sovol fix this if not i just hope the Community gets behind this and just make this awesome and a affordable Voron clone ill come back in a year and see how its doing :D

[@CanuckCreator]

Same, the printer has potential, It does quite a bit "right" it just isnt quite done and isnt ready for review. Hope they sort it out.

[@ph0t0dave]

@@CanuckCreator Agreed, on paper this one looked good but Ill wait till V2 and see if they fix anything.

[@BobsNewHobby]

@@CanuckCreator in the Sovol Facebook group they posted that they sent you a beta machine, not a final product.

[@CanuckCreator]

@@BobsNewHobby Is that from SOVOL themselves, or just some random dude with no proof? Cus im looking at my entire email history with SOVOL and nowhere in the communications did they say they were sending me a beta machine, or pre-production or anything else of the sort "Hey, our new printer comes out on X date, do you want to test and review it" -Sure, send it over, ill do an unboxing livestream and maybe a review afterwards "ok, heres the tracking number So ya, no clue what buddy on the SOVOL facebook group is yappin about

[@BobsNewHobby]

@@CanuckCreator ah no, apologies I thought it was a Sovol staffer who commented but it's another creator, someone called Roar Ree. No idea how they know what you were or werent told.

[@gamingwithsparton]

I’ll be interested to see what Sovol says in response to these issues, I really hope they either have a plan to remediate most of these issues, especially the bearing issues

[@39XenonD]

I have a SV06 plus. The PSU was jamming FM-radios in a 10 m radius until I replaced it. There seemed to be no electrical filtering in place. Also, no power factor correction (which must be installed by European law). It also jammed its own control board with the PSU, which therefore randomly malfunctioned (crashes, freezes, random z-offset which buried the nozzle in the bed, wrong temperatures (unless -400 C sounds right to you)) ... Some time later the power switch melted. Oh, and the “temperature-controlled fan” was a full-on joke in the PSU; it is directly connected to +24 V. Maybe they meant something like “off when molten”. The bearings were shipped prefilled with gravel (okay, not gravel, just ungreased, so disassemble it was). The cooling fan for the mainboard only runs if the part cooling fan is on. Better not print something without cooling. I'm interested in their response to the above video as well.

[@gamingwithsparton]

@@39XenonD that’s very interesting, maybe that explains all my issues with my SV06 Plus. It stopped being able to correct for the bed warp after the first few prints

[@39XenonD]

@gamingwithsparton This was also an issue, a new PSU fixed it. The switching noise messes with the mainboard / screen which will lead to random behavior.

[@TankErdin]

@@39XenonD Strange. I wonder if that was related to the issue I saw with my SV06's. I have 2 SV06 and 5 SV06 Plus on racks adjacent to each other, and when I converted all of them to klipper, none of the SBCs would manage to stay connected to the MCU as soon as any significant power draw started. I reached out to Sovol for help and after trying the basics like new cables, I ended up 'fixing' the issue by installing ferrite cores on the USB cable. Maybe I'll throw a spare Meanwell on one and see what happens.

[@gamingwithsparton]

@@39XenonD maybe it’s time to revisit my SV06 then, thanks for bringing awareness to this issue!

[@3DandTeePrinting]

Great "Not" Review of this machine. Was so close to bypassing a Voron Build and moments like this these make me realize a Voron is a MUST. No shortcut to a Perfect Printer. We have to Make the Printer we want to print with. We will never get the full "Everything I wanted" Printer Without going Voron. Honest and Informative.

[@53Aries]

That misaligned pin is the only real issue i see. But that's a big issue. Klipper side things can all be changed and i think for the price point that's OK. But the physical hardware needs to be 100%.

[@gerGoPrint3D]

The pin in this pre-production unit turned out to be too short. Since it is very easily servicable, he just replaced the pin with a correct size one, a 2 minute fix. No drama.

[@marty4286]

The issue about the bare sheet metal and the wire run reminds me of how the SV06 Plus (and regular?) had nonexistent strain relief for the bed heater cable

[@labhusky3]

I will say I have a late model of the sv06+ and I have nothing to complain about with it besides typical bedslinger issues. They fixed up the strain relief for whatever batch I got mine from. It seems like they take a little bit of a spacex style approach to printers. Make something good enough, get feedback, fix it later. Is it a perfect model? Eh... No. Is it working? Maybe if they make that sv08 better and more solid out of the box

[@antoinepapillon481]

Is there not an opensource design for load-cells ALS? Or is it incompatible with klipper? All the inductive or touch based sensors will always have leveling issues and offset calibration and I'm really confused why I haven't seen a voron kit/knock-off with a load-cell based automatic leveling system

[@jonnysimps]

Can i use the 2.4 stealthburner on this printer if i can ill buy this and mod it with the e3d hotend

[@TechitPlays]

Its open source, make your own modification and post it for folks, or wait until someone else does! Anythings possible

[@geauxracerx]

I hear what you’re saying, but I’ve made way less that cost more, work amazingly so I still think I’m going to get one.

[@TonyStark-ik9em]

Nice, thanks for the realtalk, refreshing in light of most CCs just shilling for the product without going in depth. Saved me some money there!

[@Indominuswhips]

I WILL get one just to fiddle with it until I get decent prints. And I hope to get it for the cheapest price to donate the difference to VORON Team. Thanks for what you guys do and HAVE done for this community and industry. Don't be too mad about the quality of this machine. It's too cheap to be as good as a 2.4. simple. Take it for what it is. Thanks for your opinions and insights regarding Sovol Marketing. I actually thought exactly that when I saw all the ads.

[@edwardmcrichy2985]

"Companies should stop relying on users" I said this about the jamming issues with the Bambu AMS and how there is not permanent fix, just user mods, on the Bambu Lab subreddit and got excoriated..... Thanks for the validation!.

[@rukidding7588]

Issue is, we are all to blame. The demand for lower and lower prices forces companies to do things on the cheap and, I suspect, things they would rather not do, but have no choice.

[@edwardmcrichy2985]

@@rukidding7588 fair point, for the longest time all I could afford was cheap printers, never could afford prusa printer. Then when I could afford it I went with bamboo

[@GreenPlasticWaterCan]

​​@rukidding7588 Voron, Ratrig, HevORT, VZbot, and even Prusa users proof otherwise. The low quality, low cost machines are a choice by the manufacturers. It's the only way they know to compete and differentiate. Hence why Sovol just cloned a V2.4 instead of innovated.

[@youtubehandlesux]

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[@TorianTammas]

Well people try to run their cars with used oil from the french fries place, but the machine has to work always and be cheap.

[@J0stik]

so if i want no hustle 3d printer for arround 600/700 Eur, Bambu P1S is still the king ?

[@CanuckCreator]

atm, its a solid option at that pricepoint Size is a bit limiting for some though

[@hassosigbjoernson5738]

I would say the K1C also is king, especially when wanting an enclosed printer. It was on sale these days for like 560 €. Not the 399 € of that K1 some months back. In Germany the P1S sells for at least 749 € plus 8 € shipping. So this still is a good deal more expensive of that 600 € pricemark. 200 € more for the same basic functions is something to consider.

[@J0stik]

@@hassosigbjoernson5738 ordered SV08 yesterday for 444 EUR as super early bidder, should come in month and a half .... could have ordered it with extra nozzle set. will see then how it goes. Hoping to see more polished firmware in that time :)

[@Knutahh]

I mean, yeah - it's a manufactured machine, so some of your criticism is valid. However, tinkering to solve small problems on this machine can't be compared to spending 3x as much money and 50 hours building a voron. In that regard, this machine seems absolutely brilliant for what it is. Okay, so yours had a faulty bearing stack. Ask for a replacement, replace it, and done?

[@benpenkacik3883]

But then how do you get views if you just do the logical thing and use the warranty to get replacements for problem parts?

[@jb6042]

A Voron not having a ABS or at least an ASA profile is like a McLaren that tops out at 70mph.

[@MrBaskins2010]

thank you for being honest about this machine. the only video i had seen is from a fella i see as a shill in the community. his clear goal is to grow a platform and his video's vagueness on price was strange

[@JoopHbR]

With the Sovol SV06 plus it was a bit like this as well, there the connector of the bed wasn't designed properly. They did fix it fast however and my pre-ordered SV06 plus came with the fix. So hopefully this happens again now. It did create a lot of uncertainty under early buyers though. So yeah, why don't a lot of companies ship really finished products to reviewers?

[@CanuckCreator]

I liked the SV06 series tbh, it did its job well for a cheap entry level machine.

[@39XenonD]

Don't forget to mention the dry bearings. Mine sounded (never powered it on though) like they filled the bearings with gravel when they were moved. Great out-of-the-box experience to first disassemble and grease the printer before doing anything else. Was this fixed later? Mine came with some kind of strain relief on the bed but also Atacama-level dry bearings. Oh, and at least my PSU was a full-on joke.

[@ptitbass]

This. They seem to be able to fix stuff and produce in a very fast manner. So i suppose we can have faith.

[@RayLenses]

this is an honest review that i appreciate!!

[@FullEarthWorkshop]

Wow! Very good analysis! Subscribed!

[@TheOfficialOriginalChad]

Thanks I really appreciate your review

[@DesmondMoyden]

Thanks for this quick summary of initial findings. This is very valuable. Otherwise we'll be stuck with just youtube salesmen pushing unfinished products to the masses.

[@AeldraNightwood]

Thanks for the video, it was pretty much what I wanted to know.

[@TheRIkkyP]

The thing that potentially interests me with this printer is if we can do away with all that proprietary bullshit and mod it with open source Voron components. How you can call something “open source” when you’re fitting custom and proprietary components doesn’t fly with me.

[@SkateSoup]

At least they didn't put the spool holder on the freaking back, probably by way of not really having a back to mount it to. That's been driving me completely insane lately. It's like companies want it to look pretty in an influencer's studio but don't care about the actual user experience.

[@hassosigbjoernson5738]

That og spool holder is only needed for the first prints, isn't it?! Because you can print your own since this is a 3D printer!? You can print one with bearings or simply use a dry box. I don't see why a simple plastic part would be anything noticeable on a 3d printer. Just make your own! That's in core what 3d printing is all about, isn't it!?

[@SkateSoup]

@hassosigbjoernson5738 Of course you cam, and we wind up doing it. The enclosed ones usually have filament feeding setups specifically designed for filament coming in at weird angles in the back though. You can design/print an alternative that will work with it, but it winds up being klugey, which wouldn't be needed if the design wasn't dumb and difficult to use in the first time.

[@SebastienChedalBornu]

Lol I can't wait you to review the futur phrozen arco. I prepare the popcorn

[@3dpathfinder]

Are you relaying this information to Sovol so issues can be addressed ?

[@CanuckCreator]

Yep, email with all the details from the stream+more was sent over to my contact

[@3dpathfinder]

@@CanuckCreator outstanding Thank you. I plan on getting one. Not a big enough content creator yet to get sent one lol ..one day

[@star_rose_three]

My belt on my SV06+ is starting to get chewed up too

[@39XenonD]

Had the same problem, some fiddling with the idler pulley might get it into a semi-stable position where it won’t scrape on the side of the idler. Move the printhead and see if the belt is slightly twisting on the roller during a change in direction. Fiddle until it doesn't twist any more. For me, moving the threaded screw that attaches the pulley some fraction of a mm inside the boring hole did the trick. Also, do you experience crashes, freezes, wrong temperature readings or erratic behavior while setting z-offset sometimes? Just curious since I definitely had problems which were fixed with an upgraded PSU.

[@J0stik]

but it is still looking good, for its price point, will this printer be actually amazing in few months after launch when community really digs in ?

[@kennedyjones1510]

So did they send you a pre production unit or a production unit? I missed the stream

[@rukidding7588]

It's supposed to be a production machine.

[@xSilas43]

Great video, felt the exact same way about my SK1, decent hardware base but terrible software and QA with endless troubleshooting. These points are good to bring up because these are the exact same issues first buyers will encounter, sure they can always fix it down the road but currently thats not the state of things.

[@redline3036]

I still stand by klipper not being good for consumer mass produced 3d printers.

[@CanuckCreator]

As much as I love klipper. I agree when it comes to it in consumer printers intented for mass adoption

[@redline3036]

@@CanuckCreator Oh klipper is great and the community has grown a lot not so rough around the edges. I wanted the sv08 but I do not want to go through putting a clean klipper on it mine as well just save extra cash and build a trident or 2.4

[@DarkTube87]

What is the quality of the heated bed, is it straight or curved because the material was skimped on again?

[@Brunoku]

I think it depends who you are... I gotta say if I had the space, for 600 bucks this would be a cool starting point to upgrade from. If you have a single DIY bone in your body, this thing seems like a good value.

[@CanuckCreator]

and for just a bit more you can source a budget voron kit that wont have the issues trying to modify a proprietary system to "work" has

[@SKPhoto816]

Would love to have you recommend a budget Voron kit. The Phrozen Arco has a single Z motor for the Gantry. This product has the unfinished manufacturing quality. Creality is Creality. Would appreciate some guidance for affordable parts that could let me build a decent 2.4

[@aberryman06]

@@SKPhoto816 Last I checked on pricing Siboor had the cheapest reputable kit and the quality seemed good. I haven't built one but a kit is just a starting point anyways, you're going to mod it, because ultimately you don't just build a Voron, you build YOUR Voron.

[@username9774]

@@SKPhoto816 MagicPhoenix sells a 2.4r2 350 kit for 699$ with shipping to the US being 80 $, they seem to be the most loved cheap Vorons.

[@MidMadn]

@@aberryman06 - I have a Siboor V0.2 and I'm very happy with it. But you ain't buying a Siboor V2.4 350 for less than double what this SV08 is selling for. And then you've got a box of parts, not a 1 hour assembly. Which is fine by me. But this SV08 was gonna be the printer for people that couldn't or didn't want to scratch build a 2.4 or couldn't afford a real Voron 2.4 kit.

[@Liberty4Ever]

There are some legit concerns here that apply to almost all 3D printer manufacturers. I didn't get an SV08 when they launched because there is always a rush to production in such a competitive market with rolling upgrades mostly in the first few months of production. I preferred to wait for the product to stabilize instead of living on the bleeding edge. Sovol deserves credit for delivering so much of the Voron 2.4 experience for a much lower price but there are some cost cutting measures where I'd have been happy to pay more to get more. A couple of examples would be a 5 mm thick cast aluminum build plate that is far more thermally stable and a more accurate bed probe. However, this not-a-review comes across as a bit angry, possibly from someone who is overly protective of the Voron design who might not like the idea of the unwashed getting a faux Voron without earning it by spending $1500+ and a week of labor to build it.

[@kennywolfam1997]

Was debating getting the other 90% Voron, the formbot Troodon 2.0 Pro, I will be curious to see what Sovol dose with pricing to make this worth the added flaws.

[@XHolyPuffX]

Trying to pick a no-major-compromise printer to buy these last two weeks has had me literally wanting to bang my head into a wall. I don't have the time to build a Voron and I can hardly find any real info about the newest Troodon 2.0 Pro. I guess at this point I'm just gonna get the P1S which is almost a year old at this point..

[@Suchtzocker]

did they change it to a pressure sensor instead of a inductive now ? the new one says pressure sensor

[@daniellaidlaw2677]

Brilliant take. I have the money to build a Voron proper, but I dont have the time. That's my curse. I either have time or money, never both. I'll sit on these pre fab kits for a generation or two, because, honestly, I don't have the time to print either lol

[@muuzen7731]

Sad. I really want to like this. Might still get it depending on Sovols response.

[@75keg75]

Nice “first look”! Half assed as they’re rushing to get something out to minimise lost market share.

[@BeefIngot]

They could have waited 2 months and made way more though

[@NWGR]

I'm glad someone is calling out these companies for releasing these printers half baked and rushed. And like you said, most reviews are list some specs, do a print or two and tell you to go buy it, faults and all.

[@alchemist4ever]

Was the mainsail update code actually removed or were the update stuff just not setup in the mainsail configuration?

[@caedis_]

Most likely just not setup in the moonraker.cfg file

[@kjangmy]

To be fair, You should have advised viewers at the start, that you are a Member of the Voron Team. Just so your bias doesn't show through (which sadly it did)

[@urufushinjiro]

Bias or experienced point of reference? I don't see bias here, he clearly wanted to like it but the issues are the issues, you can't bias your way into out of the box hardware failures and unfinished software.

[@squaresphere]

Yeah that's pretty damning and honestly what I expected after my experience with the SV06. You've got to roll up your sleeves to get it working the way you want. That's fine for a sub $200 printer, but for $600+ F that. I have huge list of think i'd rather spend that amount of money that wouldn't require me to put a ton of effort in.

[@willmar2778]

I have several Sovol printers and i Agree they need to polish this new printer before selling it am new to Klipper but been building kits for 3 years now and i saw all the issues you mentioned.

[@willmar2778]

I expected this Machine to run like My Adventurer M5, but I can see from several videos the Flash Forge M5 is a much better buy.

[@saltyscorpion2151]

This is why you should do 3D printer reviews. Only a handful of creators are not fanboys or paid advertisers for the printer manufacturers. I almost spent my hard-earned money on this printer. Thanks

[@jmp7624]

I don't really understand the negative approach you are giving off when this is still game changing for the market. A Voron printer kit will cost $800+ and you still have to build everything and fine tune the whole machine taking hours if not days. This machine is providing a Voron style printer that is less than $600 and easy to assemble while being open source, thats a huge deal. Maybe you are being so negative because you are on the Voron design team but this printer has so much more potential than you are giving it credit for. Most of this video was nitpicking things that every manufacturer is doing. These companies have to cut corners to keep the costs down so cutting costs on the labor of drilling and taping 3 other support brackets for a spool holder is way better than using other cheaper components. Every 3D printer has some sort of mods being printed for it, you can easily print a different spool holder that doesn't require any drilling or tapping if you wanted to change the location. The belt bearing issue looks like a bent rod from the stepper motor and not with the design of the mount. You can clearly see one side of the bottom bearing is at a slight angle. This is something that needs to be addressed in QC but can easily be fixed before production. Printer profiles could be held back for many reasons and they wont release a printer without profiles for the types of filament they support. The Z Offset issue is something other klipper printers are having issues with too. My QIDI X-Plus 3 has is having issues were the offset changes, the Elegoo OrangeStrom Giga is having issues, and a couple others I saw reviews for are having problems. Needing grommets to protect wires and wires rubbing is something that should have been addressed before sending the printer to you and I completely get being frustrated with printer manufactures rushing products to market but its not just 3D printer companies doing this. Every company does this now whether its a video game, computer hardware, TV's, robot vacuum cleaners, cell phones, tools, and so much more. Its ridiculous and frustrating buying half a product at full price hoping the company will fix it, but you also can't only get mad at Sovol for it when its the new norm. I hope most of these issues do get addressed before the release and they should be more transparent with you, but I have actually had good experiences with Sovol products unlike with other companies. My Sovol printer was the only printer I received that had no issues besides a slightly warped glass bed, out of the box. Every Creality printer I owned, Anycubic printer, the Ankermake M5C, and my QIDI has had multiple issues. Bent lead screws, defective extruders, defective nozzles, and faulty control boards were normal issues with my printers and it was a headache to get anything resolved.

[@jjptech]

10:48 Seems like Bambulab Effect is starting tu build up. Even though I am very against Bambulab stealing your information, those guy made it right.

[@Zachary3DPrints]

Very well said Nero, well underlined feedback to this printer

[@martinmckee5333]

I don't want a 3D printers to be my hobby. I want a 3D printer as a tool to work on my actual imterests, but this just solidifies the fact that I really just need to build a Voron (or similar) and deal with the time commitment. A commercial printer that satisfies my requirements just doesn't exist so far as I can tell, at least until you get above a $5000 price point (which I absolutely can't justify). I'm limping along with the printers I have, and that's how it'll stay until companies put more effort into a reliable, large-format, printer that can handle CF PC without basically modding it into a whole new printer.

[@Hugocraft]

I got an SV06 from Sovol when it came out Fall 2022 since it was a decent looking clone of an open source prusa i3 and I was a little frustrated spending a good amount of time getting start up g code working while getting numbers in prusa slicer dialed in for it. Since it was a prusa clone, it should of had a prusa slicer config file already done but nope. I sold that printer to a friend with the configs I made then I got the sv06+ since it was larger but once again, I had to dial in the print numbers and start up gcode over the span of 10-15 different things being sliced and printed. Now after seeing this video of the rushed sv08 is, its tempting to spend my $$ on the Bambu Lab A1 with AMS since i know that will have dialed in configs and the printer will have better self testing/calibration features.

[@MagnificentUsernameGuy]

You left your review unit on the shelf for weeks because you couldn't, or wouldn't, make an actual review. Instead, you wait for the publishing embargo to lift so you can do a simple unboxing stream. And now you complain that your pre-production/review unit isn't "finished"? I find it weird that someone as experienced in the field as you seems to have forgotten that this is actually to be expected on a _pre_ -production unit. A lot of your complaints are things that Sovol can, will, or already have addressed. Either because of the feedback they get from the people who are doing actual reviews, or they were always going to be addressed before shipping to customers. They just weren't finished at the time they shipped _to you._ Eeverything software-related for example, can be fixed up until the day customers get their hands on their units, and isn't really valid criticisms unless you've confirmed with Sovol that they won't be fixed in time. So please, the next time you're offered a pre-production unit from a manufacturer, either do an actual review, or tell them you'll wait for a production unit to unbox live, so people can get a good idea of what to expect from a _production_ unit. You criticizing a pre-production unit as if it was a finished product is just muddying the water so to speak.

[@CanuckCreator]

So your entire post assumes things I was never asked if i wanted to test a pre production unit, i was asked if i wanted to try their new printer, no wording or anything implied this wasnt the final machine I had told them and pre-cleared that i would start with doing a live unboxing and build followed by a POTENTIAL review depending on how things went. as i do with most companies and that was basically the entire discussion with sovol. EDIT: also, it doesnt matter how long it sat on the shelf, the points i brought up would not have changed, the final video would have just had better production values lol

[@MagnificentUsernameGuy]

@@CanuckCreator I'm sorry, but I'm having a hard time believing you've come this far and still don't know that the review units sent out before a printer is available even for pre-order are going to be from among the first units off the assembly line. And I think you're missing the point, which is that every issue you pointed out is something you could have told Sovol at an earlier date if you'd reviewed the printer. And then I'd have hoped your review would have been quite different indeed. You would have been able to tell us if Sovol were/are aware of each issue and if they will be present on the units regular customers will receive. Now, to be clear, I'm not actually criticizing you for not reviewing the printer. I know that once a 3DP YT channel reaches a certain size, printer reviews become too time-consuming to be viable unless it's a very popular model and you have a chance to be first out of the gate. I just think that since you decided to not review it, your approach for the unboxing should be a bit more "open". As in being clear on the fact that the issues you pointed out might already be fixed based on Sovol's ongoing internal testing or feedback from reviewers/beta testers. And therefore refer your viewers to those who have been willing to do the actual work of reviewing the printer. Or even do it yourself..

[@deankq4adj125]

Great catch on the pin in the rear bearing stack! I wholeheartedly agree with you when you say that it needs many things to be corrected.

[@joescalon541]

I have always treated sovol’s as kit printers because of the price. Had some issues with my SV06plus and customer support sent replacement parts, also created QoL mods, and made my own orcaslicer profiles for the community. I help out a ton with the Sovol community for most issues from sv06 through sv07 and was suppose to be in sv08 beta test group but didn’t remind them until they ran out of test units. Was hoping their beta testers actually caught all these issues especially the half bake macros but from this, it appears that is not the case. I guess only good thing is the first batch of units will be heavily discounted like normal and they will have to ship out a bunch of replacement parts, never ending cycle.

[@chrismay2298]

The paying customers are the beta testers. Terrible practice that the community keeps apologizing for because of a few currency units.

[@TomsRepairs]

Got anylink for the sv06+ orca profile that you made? Thanks!

[@jameshoff994]

​@@TomsRepairshis profiles are on printables. I believe he uses 3d print demon macros to make it written

[@jameshoff994]

wonder if you would consider a how to video setting up the sv06 plus with print demon and your profiles?

[@MoeReefs]

I like your channel but the rant at the end was just over the top. We get it. You build bad ass printers. Its your thing. 99.99% of people just want something affordable and just a little close to a voron. We dont want to spend god damn 80 hours to build it. Thanks for the not review lol. I will continue to like your channel.

[@ScytheNoire]

Between Sovol's claims of donating, and using the Voron name in their marketing, just not getting good feelings about this one. It's them yet again just copying someone else's work.

[@CodeBroRob]

pretty much china 101

[@hassosigbjoernson5738]

"It's them yet again just copying someone else's work." ... which is the basic idea of Rep Rap! That's in essence what DIY 3d printing is all about. And it's the same thing, all the other do as well! Take Bambu Lab: they copied Voron, Klipper, Prusa in many ways without giving anything back, not even acknowledge the work of Klipper or the Voron team. Within days they were called out with their Bambu Studio and admitted they took the best of PrusaSlicer. But this SV08 in contrast to a BL X1 is quiet affordable (which contributes to accessibility). It's repairable, mod-able, reproduceable... For me that are very good steps in the right direction. Of course you can get better machines for more money. That has always been the case. But after BL has woken up some competitors ... it's a very good sign more and more "Voron like" machines come out. 6 years ago you could get a well working Prusa for like 1000 bucks or an "i3 clone" like an Ender 3, i3 mega or similar for 250 - 350 bucks. It's good to have both options. And since you cannot just buy a Voron, unpack it and start printing ... those open Klipper machines like K1, K2, SV08, Ender V3, SV07 and more are a really good base line for people starting with this hobby and not wanting "just a printer to print". Those still can buy Bambu Lab or even Prusa.

[@CodeBroRob]

@@hassosigbjoernson5738 honestly i used to also just want a plug and play printer, but i made the big step to instead buy a voron 2.4 R2. sure, it took me like a week to assemble and additional costs for tools, but this thing, once built, is literally "flip on and print" without any fails so far that weren't caused by user settings. this thing hasn't been a headache at all and seeing my cousin with his ender 3, i merely showed him my results and the fact i print at nearly 6 times his speeds, he's also now looking into voron. surely the price tag for a kit sucks initially, but worth every penny IMO while buying a "plug and play" printer, you often spend more money on modding it to get results like a voron or replacing parts because extremely warped bed or crappy extruder or bent lead screws etc.

[@tjlqk3]

It's open source. It's not copying if it's open. Jesus Christ people.

[@robertbray7828]

At least Sovol KEEPS their stuff open-source. I got no issues whatsoever and I'm excited to see it's final version. No idea if it'll be any good or worth it, but you definitely can't knock them for creating an open source design FROM an open source design. Bambu Labs meanwhile takes open source stuff and then makes it proprietary, and gives nothing back.

[@sappercap]

Appreciate your objective honesty on it!

[@alexsfa74]

I love your sincerity and cleary!!! Go Nero3D go!!!

[@sunnygalli]

Although they shouldn’t have to, if the community rallies around it you could indeed have a pretty good printer I think. Make ABS STL files as an option to replace/modify injection molded parts, fix the broken things in klipper (and maybe add a pi), and honestly maybe just mount a stealthburner on the thing and you have a half decent V2.4 alternative. That said, there are Voron BOM in a box kits that are probably similarly priced and won’t have these problems. If this thing goes on sale later on in the 350-450 price range it could be pretty great. At $500+ it has to compete with the P1P and P1S and I’m not sure it worth this unless you NEED the print volume.

[@dfortin0011]

newly subscribe, wow love your way of pointing to things with a great description :D wow best find of all you rock ty

[@Ughmahedhurtz]

The QIDI Q1 Pro is in the same shape. Bed crash issues on print cancel/restart, hotend heat break clog issues, runout sensor issues, probe thermal issues, runout sensor not getting enabled after a reboot, etc. Customer support is fine, but only being able to use the printer because customer support is responsive is...not good.

[@michbushi]

Mate. It is a voron clone, ready to print out of rhe box, for HALF THE PRICE of collecting all the parts by yourself (and one third of the kit). Perspective That is the most Millennial review of all in depth reviews.

[@CanuckCreator]

Someone didn't read the title

[@michbushi]

​​@@CanuckCreator someone threw a 16 minutes long tantrum.. All right then: the most millennial "video on the topic". I mean, it was fair to point the issues out, I actually appreciate it very much - telling the pros and the cons, and letting me make an informed decision. So thank you for that, anyways. Millennial tantrums and all

[@3dpathfinder]

See your history with the machine seems to differ very much from others who have featured the SV08. It is important to also say that these are prerelease and somethings can change and all issues should be forwarded to Sovol.

[@CanuckCreator]

As far as im aware, this wasnt a pre-release unit I was sent this for review, and this isnt a review, cus its not done. Maybe they should either ship a completed product for review, or clearly tell us were getting pre production samples

[@Chris-co9io]

@@CanuckCreatorHave you collaborated with other pre-release recipients of this machine? If so are their experiences any different? PS would you pay $500 ($100 less) for this machine or stay away from it for printing engineering grade materials?

[@3dpathfinder]

@@CanuckCreator true, they need to be clear when sending unit to say this is exactly as they will release or we are still making changes.

[@hassosigbjoernson5738]

@@Chris-co9io He went through the trouble and paid more than double on a Voron Kit that he had to build for days till it started working. So 500 bucks seem to be quiet a good deal, especially with the realisation in mind, how complicated it can be to set up and configure a Voron if you've never seen a config file. The alternative would be to spend a good deal more for a Bambu P1S or even more for a Prusa MK4 if wanting to support a none-Chinese company. But since Creality has a K1C or K1 max out there ... and is teasing the K2 ... there are more and more options out there.

[@rollcontainer]

Thanks, a really good and detailed "not a review" :) This saves me from buying... it was very tempting due to the price.

[@crawlerin]

Just wait, I am sure some issues will be addressed and there will be "Pro" or "Plus" version.

[@stefan3d]

No worries Jhonathan from The Next layer will be with Sovol 😂😂 this is a remarkable printer , a budget printer 😂😂

[@dekurvajo]

I also don't understand the injection molded parts. For the hotend cover, meh.. Ok. But the others? Even with few generation before, like my Ender5 those parts are cnc machined parts. Is it really about cutting budget, or is it about weight? Injection molding are't cheap neither. So i am a bit confused here.

[@hassosigbjoernson5738]

"Is it really about cutting budget, or is it about weight?" ... Both. "Injection molding are't cheap neither." ... it is with the right amount of parts. Just look at Bambu Lab: they used their custom frame in like 4 printers. The only reason: costs.

[@vitaliitop]

Thank you for honest feedback, was watching your stream and god laughed when Z pillars didn't align with top.

[@xManzi]

We are past Ender 3 clone times, we are now in the age of half-baked Voron clones 🤗 Third as good as a real Voron for half the price, heck, they don't even use shims between bearings 🤣🤣 For those who are thinking about this as first printer, please don't. Just get "middle of the line" Voron kit from vendor if price is an issue (yes it will be little bit pricey), but you will have real Voron with panels... And if you can't print ABS, there is PIF and the quality is beyond amazing

[@bogdanmarinescu78]

There's no "we're in the future" when it comes to this kind of products. All these Chinese manufacturers expect their users to be testers too, because they do very little to no testing themselves. I'm 100% convinced that they know about the issues, but they don't care too much, because they released everything open source, expecting the community to fix the issues (and they will very likely fix them eventually). It's our fault because we buy products like this and thus we allow this situation to carry on. Then again, we buy products like this since we don't really have options that are not insanely expensive for no good reason or don't expect you to be a tech guru and build the printer yourself pixel by pixel. I really don't see this situation changing anytime soon.

[@dmax9324]

Thanks for making this video. Its getting really annoying seeing a new printer come out constantly and they all have similar issues, arent tested, miss key features, or have some Achilles heel. How hard is it to mount the pin and bearing stack with two points of contact for example? Is it that much more expensive? The motion system of a 3d printer is ummmm well probably the most important thing to get right?... Come on companies.

[@christopherlarime4095]

It feels like they want to sell you a cheap "incomplete" machine so they can sell you all the upgrades later. Like home video games, they take a loss on the console and then make all their money on the games.

[@L3Dhelpguide]

Is this your first pre production test experience. They are never the final release condition. It's great to share the concerns, and if time and materials are available will be implemented. And even money bet a bearing seized causing the non perpendicular bearing stack when the bearing shaft wore into the bracket. Fwiw

[@CanuckCreator]

Nope, and usually when it is its clearly called out in communications Which for the SV08, there was nothing in any our communications that would have led me to believe it was anything other than the "final product"

[@JeffDM]

I'm not seeing where they claimed an endorsement by voron. But I'm only looking at their web site.

[@WhiteWulfe]

This trend of rushing things out and then trying to claim "oh, but it's cheap!" really needs to stop. Make it good, make it decent, but most of all... Stop putting an alpha release out as an official retail product! This has happened in WAY too many fields (but games are especially notorious for this)

[@sandtiger47620]

Maybe this is the tinkerer in me but couldn't someone (Sovol or someone in the community) design a printable grommet for the wires? I know you're opening up the power supply which has capacitors and mains voltage so some people would be wary of messing with it but I think those could be installed from the factory on units that haven't shipped yet.

[@TamasJantyik]

Idk. I want to hate it but seems fixable (yeah, for making a review it sucks) . And it is CHEAP. I won't really have the money for a proper voron but if this thing is fixable under 50 usd... You know, software shortcomings at the product launch is bad but mean nothing on the long run. The smaller hw design problems are problems but seem fixable or cause only a minor thing. So... Idk... I equally feel you are fully right and I kinda would like this thing in my room. 😀 Yeah I see the problems very well, it is rushed out but all the manufacturers rush out products nowadays and sometimes there are biased reviews, too. Meh... I am a cr-6 owner and I experienced things... so I am okay with this.

[@awkwardsaxon9418]

would be interesting if you can use this as a skeleton and build a voron on top of it. Looks like a sturdy frame lol

[@TamasJantyik]

@@awkwardsaxon9418 Yes, I was thinking something similar. Actually the frame looks ok (worst case it needs a little skew correction, whatever). It has working motors, toolhead, a big bed with everything, everything wired into a motherboard, plus it has an sbc with display. At the most it needs some quality bearings and print some new motor mounts (aux fan? maybe). I don't know. I understand the criticism, because as a product, maybe not the best in this state, but as a starting point, it doesn't look bad. Especially if they release all the cad files for the molded parts (as they did for the sv06).

[@BeefIngot]

You make a lot of sense, because ultimately a cheap voron that needs fixing still saves you a ton of money vs a voron that would need full assembly, that will take more time, but if you want to do anything more, then its not really accessible. Reasonable tradeoff I suppose. They could have just finished the printer however.

[@rarbiart]

good points, but i am seasick now!

[@dopamane8777]

it does make a plastic boat

[@skaltura]

Thanks for being critical, we need that. That being said, i will most likely buy this, despite just acquiring Troodon 2,0 Pro, and being REALLY frustfrated with it -- but that's a PEBKAC type of issue, as a Voron it's stupid easy, but as i expected more pleasant out of box experience tbh.

[@skaltura]

that being said THIS IS PREPRODUCTION unit.

[@XHolyPuffX]

What's going on with your Troodon? Asking because I've been thinking about getting one and I'm very interested to know why you're frustrated.

[@kilianlindlbauer8277]

One slight correction on the voron homing procedure. First difference is that a stock voron uses a z endstop for homing, the sv08 uses a virtual endstop, the probe. Second, the z endstop does nothing, its useless without plugins. Probe results override z endstop values, so lets say your z endstop says you are at negative 10, the printer would move up to 0 + initial layer height to start printing. Meanwhile according to your probe the bed is right here at negative 10, so you start printing at negative 10. This is why the stock start gcode didn't call or create mesh. Just a home, qgl, rehome z, start print, so you always start at the same height regardless of z offset values. Unfortunately this was only true if you used a same thickness build plate, as you never measured the build plate. A proper use for the z endstop only came with automatic z offset plugins. Unfortunately these plugins force you to use the endstop as endstop and not a offset switch, i personally would prefer to use the probe for homing, better when the bed/gantry is severely tilted after maintenance

[@CanuckCreator]

You dont need plugins to use both a Z switch for the nozzle for z offset and a probe for meshing and QGL That can be done in a normal klipper printer.cfg file and has been the norm with the voron v2 series for half a decade

[@kilianlindlbauer8277]

@@CanuckCreator it doesn't adjust the z offset. Probe values have a higher priority than z endstop values. Lets say your z endstop is calibrated and 0 is actual 0. Your probe trigger drifts 1mm (exaggerated of course) when switching from pla to abs. You do your normal homing and leveling (home all, qgl/z tilt, home z again) and afterwards a bed mesh. On abs your probe results match your z endstop results, no issues there. But then you print pla, your trigger distance increases on your probe due to the lower ambient temperatures, your first layer now prints in air. You can even home z another time after the bed mesh, it will still print in air. The probe trigger points are still at z=1, homing doesn't change that. If it wouldn't be that case, wouldn't that render the z offset plugins useless? Also where would the endstop based value be applied on the mesh? I personally haven't seen anything of that in the klipper docs.

[@CanuckCreator]

@@kilianlindlbauer8277 Heres a stock voron v2 profile with a z switch for offset if you wanna take a look at it yourself github.com/VoronDesign/Voron-2/blob/Voron2.4/firmware/klipper_configurations/Octopus/Voron2_Octopus_Config.cfg

[@kilianlindlbauer8277]

@@CanuckCreator yep, no automatic z offset shenanigans. No bed mesh, so the endstop is what counts. Nozzle height will always be the same, given you build plate has the same thickness. But as said, dramatically changes when using a bed mesh. Sure, you could probe one, test print, save probe z offset and reprobe and store the mesh and use the saved one and your z height will also be the same regardless of what distance between probe trigger and nozzle you have, but as soon as you need a new mesh, or even probe at a different temperature, you have to redo your probe z offset by hand. The sovol should calculate the z probe offset automatically, but since it uses a inductive probe, you still probably need to adjust it when you use a different build plate.

[@3D_Printing]

That metal plate should be Earthed IMHO

[@calaphos]

I dont get how a company basing their commercial printer design on a succesful open source project forgets to properly implement half of the details the open source project has already figured out. The klipper macros for things like the nozzle probe really arent magic and there are plenty of open source ones out there that they could have just used as is. The inability to go that last step to make a well usable product after investing significant amount of engineering into the hardware and things like injection molds is mind boggling.

[@BadgerRobot]

it would help if you put your camera on stand or something, watching the shaky cam it was making me sea sick.

[@AuntJemimaGames]

The Arco is half-baked too, and the K2 is in a dubious state given Creality's history of hardware issues... It's really surprising that these companies are having such issues with design and prototyping when the solutions are already out there, and they have so much previous experience. It's like they just don't understand what it means to make a consumer product. The technology is changing, and their customers are no longer interested in dozens of hours of tinkering to troubleshoot issues and ensure the reliability of $1K machines.

[@CanuckCreator]

Its cus they dont, many of these companies engineers/designers just work for the companies and are not actually involved the the hobby, its "just a job" and i need to make the thing and ship it.

[@motordude67]

@@CanuckCreator, I am a self employed mechanical engineer. I have done design work on ship engines and steering machines. Air turbines. Furniture. Patent engines etc. etc. These are not my hobbies, and it's just a job. And my job is to perform as well as I can and make sure the products is as good as possible. I have never met an engineer that doesn't feel a responsibility to make the best, safest and long lasting product as possible. The engineers are not at fault. It is the company management that set unrealistic deadlines and decide to take a chance and ship an unfinished product.

[@802Garage]

Oof some bad issues there. Most of them easy to fix, but they need to be fixed before anyone should buy this.

[@MatheusFP104]

I wish I could buy just the mechanical parts and frame and build mine

[@urufushinjiro]

You can, it's called a Voron kit.