This is not good for AMD - Ryzen 7 9700X vs 7700X vs 7800X3D

[@GearSeekers]

More like Zen 5% am I right?

[@semtexxl4023]

Looks like it was designed to get rid of older gen rather than outperforming it.

[@heavydutyroadsidellc920]

funny how its almost half the wattage as the last chip showcasing the leaps in efficiency, and the more than 4x more efficient than all the intel chips in the same range. These things are over clocking monsters if you want to push them that far.

[@raminpro9765]

BBBOYS. many stupid reviewrs run CPU in 4.40 ghz(not 5.5 max defult speed),,,they forget enable PBO (30% perfoarmance) see tomshardware review

[@anistardi]

@@GearSeekers Yes in certain application. But if you use AVX512 and floating point intensively, it will huge improvement. It is not for gaming.

[@robertlawrence9000]

Nope. Zen 20%. What a missed opportunity to not compare with power use differences. How about doing a video comparing using PBO on for these. Zen 5 gets 20% more performance on average with roughly the same power usage of last gen.

[@thorium9190]

Im just excited to see the drop in prices for Ryzen 7000 series and 600 series boards!

[@drewnewby]

@thorium9190 I think their pricing strategy was to avoid just that. I think we're more likely to see the 9000 series come down than the 7000 series parts, in the short term, if at all.

[@Elaoofa]

Same, I checked 7700 on aliexpress so cheap compare to 7700x

[@ScatterVolt]

“Zen 5%” is a really good way to put it’s improvement in relative terms actually. Clever!

[@robertlawrence9000]

But not at 40% less power. Raise power profile to match Zen 4 and there will be closer to a 20% performance increase vs last gen. Only last gen X3D beats these for gaming.

[@MrLincoln87]

7700X "Super" Thank you for showing some 1440p testing

[@---GOD---]

7800x3d = best for gaming (until the 9800x3d comes out) 9700x = best for productivity and efficiency 7700x = best for productivity 7700 = best for efficiency

[@keibohow69]

It would be interesting to up the power limit on the 9700x by 15%. remember that the 7700x has a tdp 105w.

[@kesu90]

Where can you find 7800x3d for $300?

[@bearzilla2462]

He was talking out of his @ss as usual

[@malal6512]

dumb question, looking to do a new build, looking to move from intel over to AMD, Im currently looking at MC who are doing bundles with me narrowing it down between a 7700x or a 9700x for the CPU in the bundle, Im really torn, because I've only heard overwhelming praise for the 7700, with the 9700 hearing alot of mixed views and opinions on it because its so new, anyone got any info on either? I've looked at reviews but alot are showing only around a 6-8% average increase in power for the 9700, its really the low temp and power consumption that sound appealing, but is there any suggestions or info you guys would care to share with a new/apprentice PC builder

[@h1tzzYT]

Hi, did you run a built-in benchmark for cyberpunk? or it was live (normal) gameplay?

[@ATG1985]

Overclocking it and moar power will solve it?

[@jocerv43]

I'm really interested in what they'll offer with higher core count skus, the power drop is pretty huge. Overclocking could be really fun again! Shame the price is a bit high

[@tripp-hq]

Where did you find a 7800x3d for $295? That has never been the average price. It's always been higher the $350 USD.

[@PATroll_knocking]

Just need PBO I think

[@robertlawrence9000]

Exactly. It's disappointing that most reviewers are not doing this to show the truth of what these can do. AMD I guess just assumed the reviewers would think about that and show what PBO could do but sadly, most reviewers didn't.

[@valentinosgsxr]

@@robertlawrence9000 What happened to the out of the box experience and the "normal" user know? This concept was so popular just a few days ago!

[@danb3785]

They should've just called it the 9700E or the 9700SFF.

[@tinayang3902]

Fact: Red team price drop whenever Blue team release new CPUs. Plus few months later, Bios / Memory Bugs will be fixed if any.

[@---GOD---]

@@tinayang3902 so you suggest I wait until October/November before buying

[@drewnewby]

A few BIOS updates, a steep price reduction, and better tuning for DDR5-6400 and this will be a good hold over for customer builds until X3D parts and the newer boards. They failed on the pricing sadly.

[@josephgagui3437]

I want to see 7700 non x vs 9600x .. I wonder which is better.

[@bodasactra]

The 5600X3D beat the 9700X in a few games. In the recently updated Final Fantasy XIV it was 334 fps versus 329 fps at 1080p max. The 5600X3D was also 40+ fps faster than the 7950X, 7700X, and 7600X in this game. The 5000X3D and AM4 very much belong in this conversation.

[@seandixon960]

Would love to see comparisons of performance based on power draw. Intriguing for an sff build

[@rattlehead999]

The Ryzen 7 7700 NON-X has 98% the performance of the Ryzen 7 7700X, but it consumes the same power as the Ryzen 7 9700x, while the Ryzen 7 7700 NON-X only costs 250$.

[@mellowthm566]

Well this means barring BIOS shenanigans the x3d chips can achieve far better productivity workloads with better efficiency. Game performance likely won't increase much but 3D chips will clock better and run cooler. The chips are also cheaper than last gen at lauch. Seens like Zen 2 compared to Zen 1, a refinement. 😅 Not that it changes a ton for me I'm on 4k down sampled on a 7600x so I'm gpu bound anyway. Might just wait til 7950X 3D/7950x dips in price or go with a used 7800x3d

[@James-w5h3c]

Got my 9700x this past weekend and I'm quite happy with it.

[@---GOD---]

It's an excellent chip. Only downside is the price. What are your average idle temps?

[@James-w5h3c]

@@---GOD--- about 46c

[@volvot6rdesignawd702]

quite interesting how alot of reviewers are not comparing it to last gens 7700x where it really offers little uplift at more cost!!

[@nimrodery]

You should have told a story about branch prediction, they seem to like that sort of thing. Or it scares them and they run faster.

[@PLAYER2035]

Who is this for? Like who would actually buy this?

[@valentinosgsxr]

Nobody that cares what he is actually getting. AMD is only about x3d nowadays.

[@ZackSNetwork]

This is the first review were I have seen the 9700x have higher single core than an i9 13900k.

[@Okkebeltman]

just got the 7800x3d so happy to see this :P

[@henrytoler5023]

So running cooler and using less power is bad. Got it .

[@kusumayogi7956]

He mean performance improvement, we buy need tech not just for power efficientcy but also performance increase

[@jonny555333]

I mean, it's more expensive too. And basically no performance improvement. Paying me for just using less power. Sure that's not all bad but it's pretty disappointing. Basically no one should upgrade if they have zen 4 chips.

[@michaelbyrd4004]

Running cooler and using less power is worth the extra cost. Change your thinking about this KZbinrs! We don't need any more heaters on top of the desks or on the floor under the tables. Apple is leading the way in this area. I am grateful that AMD is following suit. The only reason I have a m1 Mac mini right now is because I couldn't take any more heat from a PC in my room. This is a worthy achievement by AMD.

[@TV-xv1le]

Nobody cares. In games the power usage is almost identical as seen in early reviews. In production workloads (lol.. who is buying this for production workloads) it's like 40 to 50 watts difference. Man you might save like $5 on that yearly electric bill. Hardly justifies buying this. Total garbage.

[@rattlehead999]

check the Ryzen 7 7700 non-X, it has 98% the performance of the 7700X, while consuming the exact same power as the 9700x, but the 7700 non-X costs 250$.

[@ericshutter5305]

the 9600X is already faster in most games then my 5900X ... so my new 9900X WILL BE AWESOME and you can shout whatever you want 😂

[@ZackSNetwork]

It’s two generations newer so obviously it will be better you brainlet.

[@John_the_baptized]

RIP to those who bought the 96/700x for its low power specs.

[@nobodyneedstoknow128]

Turn on PBO…

[@PinkyTech]

Well done! Love the Zen 5%.

[@gucci904]

this launch appears to be VERY underwhelming......I think Ill wait a while !

[@FanaticalRK]

PBO and power limits backed off it becomes a monster

[@ProVishGaming]

I could say the same for the 13600k but you guys say overclocking is not fair. Then how the hell is PBO fair? My 13600k @5.8ghz curbstomps the 9700x in gaming by 10%, and 40%+ in multicore workloads, while total platform cost is $350 less if you go with ddr4.

[@mpdx0]

@@ProVishGaming Right but the 13600k is not stable long term with overclocking...

[@ProVishGaming]

@@mpdx0 my 13600k has ran at these settings for 2 years no issues.

[@mpdx0]

@@ProVishGaming Anecdotes are less valuable than population level data. It would be irresponsible to recommend an intel 13th/14th gen 65W+ cpu to a builder given the instability issues, incoming class action lawsuits, and terrible response by intel on the whole situation. Intel's stock is the lowest its been since like 1997, this is a massive failure on their end. I am hoping that they can turn it around with arrow lake as competition is good for consumers. AMD is not our friend either, but they are offering the better product at the moment.

[@ProVishGaming]

@@mpdx0 Fair enough, and that's why I recommend the 5800x3d over both if you're just looking for a gaming CPU. Makes no sense to get a 7800x3d when the platform cost is $300 more. Also you're only going to get one more generation out of am5, as AMD will only release 1 more CPU generation for desktop before 2026.

[@SubiKinubi]

This is just geared towards pushing the x3d series

[@AdamChalmers]

Ok let's go

[@DannysTechChannel]

Love the thorough testing! Quality info that helped save me a bunch of money. Thanks mate 👊

[@eivisch]

it will be ok when it will drop price for itx

[@rattlehead999]

Just get a Ryzen 7 7700 NON-X for 250$. It has the same TDP and 98% the performance of the 7700X

[@euphoria842]

AMD's Rocket Lake RIP

[@theopszone6775]

Idk. So your saying as a new user to pc... Stay away! Huh!

[@Elaoofa]

Nice title!!!

[@LucidStrike]

You realize almost no one upgrades in a single generation, right? 🤨 For anyone NOT already on AM5, this is great, tho I'd go for PBO given cheap energy in the US. 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@kusumayogi7956]

Zen 5 spec is dissapointing, it has same boost clock and lower base clock compare with zen 4. Most people doubt 16 ipc is real and i believe most performance increase come from faster ddr5 support. Zen 5 is refresh not upgrade, in my opinion zen 4 to zen 5 is worst than intel 13th to intel 14th. They should called it zen4+

[@rattlehead999]

It has the same base clock as the Ryzen 7 7700 non-X and the same power consumption, but the 7700 non-X costs 250$.

[@curedanxiety1679]

@@rattlehead999 compare MSRP with MSRP not current prices you're literally comparing apples with oranges.

[@rattlehead999]

@@curedanxiety1679 Ok the Ryzen 7 7700 NON-X had an MSRP of 330$, the 9700X has an MSRP of 360$. it's 30$ more expensive for 5-15% more performance... -_-

[@curedanxiety1679]

@@rattlehead999 the 9700x is replacing the 7700x not the 7700, why are you deliberately trying compare an non X to a X class CPU? Or are that desperate to win an argument?

[@curedanxiety1679]

@@rattlehead999 oh and I would check again in cinebench the 9700x has a 20% uplift in multi core performance compared to the 7700x.

[@gezimlimoni2319]

Just get 7800x3d

[@megadeth8592]

what a weird review....

[@rulik007]

Zen 3%

[@JezyYT]

Great video Mr Nick.

[@ouki4925]

The writing was on the wall when it was announced to be using TSMC 4nm, which is really just 5nm but slightly optimized. AMD doesn’t know how to increase perf much without major node jumps. It’s looking like a cake walk for Arrow Lake.

[@Alexpro556]

@@ouki4925 lower power consumption tho

[@Kneedragon1962]

As he usually does, that's a remarkably fair and honest review by Nick. The 9700X is not a BAD CPU, it's just way overpriced compared to the chip it's replacing. And several other mid-range AMD chips. There is a use-case where buying this chip, and platform, makes sense. It's rather similar to my own, although not exactly. I don't want a mid-range chip, I want the one at the top of the regular user heap. Not the ThreadRipper, that's getting a bit extreme, but the 16 core desktop is exactly what I want. [Roll Eyes] If I already HAD a working Zen 5 platform, there'd be absolutely no incentive to upgrade to that chip. If I had a 7950X, I'd just keep using it. I don't. I have a nine year old i7-6700. This is going to stop working some time. I am a Linux head. I am very keen on AMD's cores and thinking. I am less keen on built in Neural Processing Units so I can run code I can't read, to do things I don't understand, not just on my video card but in my CPU as well. Who knows when the Operating Systems themselves will demand an NPU? Windows already demands a Trusted Computing Unit. That's a pretty close analogy. Linux wouldn't ever go down that path! Are you sure about that? B'cause I'm not. Ok ~ there are large parts of the fanbase who would have complete kittens about that, but RedHat would go, SUSE would go, AWS would go, Google would go, Asure would go ... Micro$oft would be cracking the whip and forcing them along. Once Artificial Intelligence becomes a thing in your kernel, then don't even try to talk to me about "OPEN SOURCE" ~ it becomes irrellephant. Don't try to tell me how you control your computer and you understand your computer and linux is wonderful because ~ Because now it's just like Windows. You don't know what it's doing and you can't find out. The "source code" for an AI or an NPU is NOT human readable. Back to the here-and-now, the first round of Zen 5 don't have a built in NPU. It is coming, they have built one into the AI-350 or whatever the new laptop is called, but they didn't get it into the 1st generation of zen 5 desktops. That's why I want a first generation zen 5 desktop. Yeah, I know, it can still run AI code, it's just a whole lot slower and less efficient. I'm ok with that. I'd prefer it didn't even run but I can live with that.

[@wikaychavez2620]

@@Kneedragon1962 what do you mean overpriced? Did you even google the launch price of the 7700x compared to this?

[@Kneedragon1962]

​@@wikaychavez2620 ~ wilk, it depends on how you look at it. Cut n paste ~ I've been through this once already ~ --------------- 11 minutes in. Depends a tiny bit on your situation. If you went out last year and paid top dollar for a new board and new RAM and a 7950X ~ is there a pressing reason to upgrade that to a 9950X? No ~ clearly there's not. They're almost the same chip. Price up ~ price down ~ if you compare the new chip against the discount price you can find on the 7k series, those cost about half as much. So there's a massive price difference. You could get the same thousand dollar part for $500. [sigh] Slow down, that's not quite right. If you compare the 7950X Recommended Retail Price at launch, to the 9950X Recommended Retail Price at launch, it's actually a bit cheaper. If I decide to toss this old i7-6700 and start over with AMD Zen, and I want a machine that's roughly the equivalent of what this old Intel box was when I bought it, that's more or less top of the line home user / enthusiast gear. There was an Extreme edition, which was a bit ridiculous. Today, I could order a ThreadRipper, but that's a bit ridiculous. I also hear stories about an EPYC coming, on a Zen 5 package, which might be interesting, but that's not what I want or need or can justify. The mid ~ late 2024 equivalent, of what this i7-6700 was when I bought it, is a Ryzen 9 9950X. That's what I want. Let's say when that drops in a week or less, it's only 3% faster than the 7950X and it doesn't do gaming any better. But that's still going to set me back over a grand Australian, just for the CPU. Ok, I have an old 2TB spinning rust drive that I might just slip into the new box, and I have 2 1080p monitors, one of which has a bit of burn-in, so I might also pick up a 1440p monitor, but ... Would buying the old 7950X be a hugely better deal? No, not really, because I still want in on the newer platform and I want something that isn't going seem like the dead sea scrolls or the Rosetta Stone in 5 years. Also, the next gen is going to have Neural Processing units in it, but those didn't make it into the 1st gen of zen5. Awesome! That's exactly the point in history / development where I want to grab the last one. "Aren't you excited by AI?" No ~ I'm not. Any more than I'm excited and happy with the Trusted Computing Unit that Micro$oft insists I need. I don't think I need that damn thing at all. "But it makes you more secure." What? Like the Secure Boot makes me more secure? Have you seen the latest exploit? The Secure Boot isn't all that secure. You want to take a guess when the Trusted Compute Unit isn't going to be all that trustworthy? How about when the Neural Processing unit isn't that trustworthy either? Thought for you. I have never once called up the source-code of an aplication, just to see how it works. But I could. Some cases are a bit more complex and fumbly than others, but you can do it. I have many times downloaded the whole source for the Linux kernel, to compile it and try it out, but just between you and me, I don't spend a lot of time reading it and thinking. But I could. All the mechanism to do that, is there, and I feel a whole lot more comfortable about my desktop because of that. Now ~ how many people are there on the planet, who can read the source-code for an AI 'aplication'? Give you a hint ~ there aren't any. Figuring out how an AI came to some point or conclusion, is not quite impossible, but for any realistic day to day thing, it very much is. You can't step it through the debugger, like a c program or a Rust program or something. So how on Eath can you say anything that uses AI is trustworthy? So why do I have to have a Neural Processing Unit in my next Linux box? Thanks ~ I'll buy one of the last generation that doesn't have that.

[@Ryhillchibulls]

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[@stevewatson6839]

My take? The performance of the reviewers is what is underwhelming! 🤪

[@rattlehead999]

Why? Keep in mind the Ryzen 7 7700 NON-X exists. It has 98% the performance of the Ryzen 7 7700X, 65-80W power consumption just like the Ryzen 7 9700x, but the Ryzen 7 7700 NON-X costs just 250$.

[@ZackSNetwork]

Dumb comment from an AMD fanboy.

[@rare6499]

They seem to have shot themselves in the foot with the low TDP? Very strange decision

[@rattlehead999]

It's the same as the Ryzen 7 7700 non-X and it has 98% the performance of the 7700X

[@ZackSNetwork]

If you run it at the same TDP it’s a %10+ performance increase over the 7700x.

[@rattlehead999]

@@ZackSNetwork yup, not worth the upgrade and not worth the purchase at the current price.

[@TV-xv1le]

What a dud this generation is. If the 9700x is basically a slightly more efficient 7700x then I have a feeling the 9800x3d is also gonna be a garbage upgrade unless they somehow juice that thing up. Intel arrowlake is looking like it might be garbage also. The stagnation in pc hardware is making this hobby boring.

[@rattlehead999]

No the 9700x is basically a 5-10% faster 7700 NON-X. Both consume the same power, but the 7700 NON-X is only 250$.

[@TV-xv1le]

@badass6300 why compare it to the non x. It's the 9700x.. it should be compared to the 7700x. This cpu is a dud out of the box which is how 95% of people will use it.

[@rattlehead999]

@@TV-xv1le Because the 7000"X" CPUs are absolutely daft, they have double the power consumption of the 7000 NON-X CPUs for 1-4% improvement in performance, while costing a lot more than the NON-X CPUs. The ryzen 7 7700 NON-X is only 2-3% slower than the 7700X, but has the same 65W TDP and 80W PPT as the 9700X, while costing just 250$...

[@TV-xv1le]

@badass6300 then maybe AMD should not have called it the 9700x and called it the 9700. To bad that's not the case though. You can't start comparing it to non x parts just because reasons. AMD messed up. Oh well.

[@rattlehead999]

@@TV-xv1le you have to understand that names don't matter, they are arbitrary. Just like the rtx 4080 is a 70 class card, but Nvidia called it an 80 class card... ignore names, look at specs.

[@rushsoccer1355]

Ahhhhhhhhhh

[@auritro3903]

This is bad news for gamers, worse news for amd and splendid news for intel

[@LucidStrike]

@@auritro3903 Enthusiast gamers would tend to either already have 7800X3D or be waiting for Zen 5 3D anyway, so relax.

[@Seb00lean]

It’s amazing that two years of technical advancements gets you almost no better performance, never mind better value.

[@rangersmith4652]

Maybe this tester has a golden 7700X and simply got hold of a bad sample 9700X. This is the first legit (post-embargo) test I've seen, so it could be an anomaly.

[@GearSeekers]

No. The 9700X is terrible

[@ProVishGaming]

AMD clown. every review shows the 9700x to be ass.

[@SubiKinubi]

Every review I’ve watched supports his findings

[@rangersmith4652]

@@SubiKinubi Note what I said in my post.

[@ZackSNetwork]

@@rangersmith4652Your post is garbage. His review is consistent with all the others.

[@Kurzei]

Our of your mind is a great way to describe anyone buying the 9700X right now. Maybe it'll be different in the future, but for right now, oof not even close.

[@andrewforster2091]

Definitely not an anomaly, I just watched Steve from Hardware Unboxed just tear it a new one as well. Not the greatest look for AMD, and certainly not the best for consumers. Make you wonder if they’d upped the TDP to 90W it would have made a difference. Do better AMD, the natives are restless…

[@drewnewby]

The testing does show IPC improvement at higher wattage, but sadly doesn't yield for gaming.

[@pseudonym5872]

All you have to do to see improvements is increase the power limits. I've seen a review where they played with the power limits, PBO, Curve Optimizer, and Curve Shaper, and the difference was noticeable. Clock speeds increased and all performance increased.

[@ZackSNetwork]

@@pseudonym5872Basically double the TDP and it gives a %10 performance increase on average over the 7700x. Which in turn kills the efficiency selling point and aligns with the %16 IPC increase with same clock speeds.

[@valentinosgsxr]

@@pseudonym5872 How about the normal user? You know.. the one that does not know what BIOS is...

[@genx156]

I think these CPU's are more about Power Efficiency & not a big performance uplift, if you have a 7000 series then these aren't for you - these are for people wanting to upgrade an older system & don't want to set up a Nuclear reactor to run an Intel system, funny how those reviewers with the latest CPU's think it's all about them, then put out negative reviews when they don't get 15% performance uplift 🤣🤣 these are for others that don't have a 7000 series CPU. I don't have a 7000 series CPU and these look great to my Power Bill 👍👍

[@EverSpaceTime]

Sitting here waiting for the imac pro.