THIS IS THE BEST HORDE in EU4

[@kingc0m]

I really hope at some point Laith does one of these 'the least played nation nobody knows about' videos for England and just spends the video talking as if nobody has ever heard of it before.

[@mcmadow]

Love this idea

[@deserettrout]

impressive to see you put out these videos daily, sprinkled in history facts make them even better.

[@bobbobinson6209]

Instead of massive expansion into Central Asia you just repeatedly attacked the strongest powers in Europe. Real "your locked in here with me" vibes.

[@kymourdarkmyth799]

I like it when you do the history of the area you are playing in with the video. More pls.

[@msmvini8823]

The ottoblobs were able to core that province because it was attatched to another core of theirs. Even though they don't control the province anymore, it enables the coring

[@ohNojames]

I did not know that, I don’t know if I like that either.

[@firmanimad]

There should be an anti-bordergore mechanic, where unconnected enclaves get +x unrest. Maybe except in the HRE or something.

[@ryanjuguilon213]

Why? Exclaves were the norm at this time period

[@anubarak9184]

EU4 Combat Learning Stages: Stage 1: Bigger army better Stage 2: Better army better Stage ?: ?????? Stage 667: building armies according to your current cavalry flanking ability Edit: watching lath just forget about those 8k troops was tragic

[@azh698]

Stage 668: Play exclusively as tengri hordes with quantity ideas and build ultra cheap cav only armies.

[@carltonleboss]

@@azh698 Stage 669: Form Poland as a Tengri horde to get godlike cavalry

[@worldboxvn8214]

Kazan: Have no horde idea Me: Weaking Kazan: i have -25% core creation co-- Me : you are now my favorite nation

[@henryglennon3864]

I've only watched as far as the Moscow war. I wonder at what point Laith notices that he has 6k-or-so troops black flagged in Central Asia.

[@epicarcher999]

Just before the end of the the Moscow war. I was hoping he’d finish the video without noticing tbh

[@tristanridley1601]

His reaction finding them was hilarious.

[@TKScreamer]

For me the flag of Kazan is like the best from all countries, that's damn nice dragon. Their color is nice too. i would need to try them out just for that lol.

[@carlosmiguelteixeiraott3643]

28:37 Novgorod, living up to their viking heritage.

[@stzawadzki]

Kazan was epic in 1.14 when razing was first introduced. And lots of people played it back then, was a slam dunk one tag WC country

[@EbonySaints]

I once tried going Kazan -> Mughals before the buffs to Espionage and the introduction of Horde Ideas to try and max out Calvary Flanking. It was such a silly thing since the cultural group bonus for it (20%) isn't even enough to extend the range by 1 at any tech level in the game. Found out how good AE reduction was from that though.

[@limezebra2623]

Definitely a well position and underrated starting nation! Another great video.

[@BrotherTemplar]

Dude this was interesting as hell. Defo rooting for part 2!!

[@sahilhossian8212]

Lore of THIS IS THE BEST HORDE in EU4 momentum 100

[@magoochito]

You are an inspiration Laith, keep doing what you love.

[@kxmapper]

Man from Kazan here. Pretty based

[@burgerking2783]

Day 30 of demanding an eu4 colonial Novgorod game (no forming russia)

[@ComicRelief3]

i second this idea

[@johnconnor8206]

I 8aith this idea

[@burgerking2783]

@@ComicRelief3 i request your help, comment this on any new social streamers video please

[@liamtan865]

@@burgerking2783 I can help too , for a favor...

[@liamtan865]

Involving my anbennar comments.

[@TheDartFrog]

48:15 damn, unified-ish japan in 1511?? :o shoutout to the AI for that one

[@maxpont8989]

That's funny, i just finished a kazan into mongol empire run yesterday

[@clysmic]

So Laith complains about not having map knowledge while sitting with 3 spare diplomats for years, did he forget you can just steal maps?

[@cristianorossi8622]

The real OG EUIV fans remember the Shenryyr Multiplayer campaign (back in 2014 if I remember) where he played Kazan and failed to westernize until late XVII century

[@someonethatdefonitelyexists]

Something funny about Kazan. In my language the word kazan means garbage container

[@heisenstein6392]

Lmao, that Novgorod flanking strat legibly made me snort 😂 Also, ULM trip when??

[@mattvonel4039]

Great video as always !

[@harunkuf7055]

Laith did you know that Ottomans considereed bringing a Giray to rule the empire? If there were no eligible heirs they were going to bring the crimean khan.

[@hoyinching9313]

Tengri Kazan is even better. All cavalry is awesome

[@tomgola3]

Kazan underated. I like flipping them to orthodox for memes

[@EDDE]

Ivan tried to do that

[@szathmarilambert4943]

As Holy horde i achieved to get 100% cav flanking ability. It means stackwipe after stackwipe

[@gavinfeeley329]

Seeing you form the Mongels would be dope hopefully you make a second video

[@tigrecito48]

i played an opm custom nation starting the hre with minus ae, + razing gain power, cavalry combat, etc its op as hell.. cos if u max out razing power gain idea and also u can get an event that increases it even more and eventually get more when u finish the reforms u end up like nearly +100% power gain.. also taking europe provinces early and hre meant i had TONS of mana... like getting +35 or more for each adm mil dip for every single province i took... i called my nation GOTHS - started on the coast south of gotland near teutonics & stettin etc

[@hashtagrex]

allow me to introduce zaporozhie, a releasable with a unique government that allows razing, located northwest of crimea

[@Brakiros]

@@hashtagrex Zaporizhya the home of the Lithuania Cossacks who then I believe became the expeditionary force into Siberia when their lands were 'liberated' by the Russian Empire

[@oneeyepander7060]

Throat singing intenseifies

[@jendreg1935]

Historically Crimea was seen as a main sucessor of The Golden Horde.

[@dogesobaka]

nice video Laith, I am irl from Kazan :)

[@darmocat]

I have a hard time playing Horde's in EU4 because they are so different from how they are in CK2 (my first exposure to horde like nations) In CK2, you raid for an immediate benefit (gold) and then you receive a long term benefit (more manpower so you can make more horde retinue) but in EU4, you get an immediate benefit (mana points and gold) but in the long term those provinces are worse. Really hard to accept that long term penalty. *shrug*

[@alexmorrison3442]

Horse go brrrr.

[@kevdog6425]

I do love Mongol Empire runs.

[@oilydoubloonz6001]

please continue!~

[@apossiblyhereticalalphaleg3595]

The reason the Ottomans could core Mansur is that you can core any province adjacent to your cores, *even* if you don't own those cores anymore, for example Byzantium could core Albanian territories since those are next to Byzantine cores, even if the Albanians are still surrounded by the Ottomans/Venice. It's the same thing with the Nizzarids in your Ante Bellum game.

[@kingo6378]

i hope this one gets a second part!!

[@jacksonwilliams6845]

LAITH WHERES THE BRITTANY PART 2 VIDEO?!

[@Nick-xn2gf]

MORE KAZAN

[@DarthFhenix55]

36:10 Yeah, that's an horrible mechanic, this makes PU or Vassalize a colonizer useless until you integrate them.

[@mehmetkayraozer9164]

28:40 true russian naval maneuver right there

[@benjaminy4872]

God damn this game is almost ten years old.

[@tigrecito48]

btw ming doesnt often enforce tributaries in the new patches, it seems to keep expanding wildly and rarely collapses.. i was playing as malay and they took out all the manchuria area hordes and half of se asia and half of oirat mongolia etc... it was really tough to beat them

[@azh698]

From my recent experience, Ming only need about 20 tributaries max to keep mandate high. Best experience is when I went colonial with early expansion into Indonesia and America. I ended up with 100 something tributaries.

[@tigrecito48]

@@azh698 yeah laith did a video on getting tons of ming tributaries

[@azh698]

@J Wilt Flavour Universalis is amazing, and it powers up Ming quite a bit, since it gives them 3 or 4 more great projects, like the trade port of Canton (trade power) and Terracotta army (manpower or mp recovery I believe).

[@tigrecito48]

@J Wilt i havent modded yet.. wheres the best easiest palce to get mods? i use nexus for fallout 4 mods but its the only game ive ever modded so im a noob

[@tigrecito48]

my recent playthru as england i did the usual thing of winning a pu over france, then attacked aragon immediately (i was allied to castile), then attacked brittany, they were allied to scotland.. then took out all of ireland easily and rest of scotland.. then i started to attack castile and attacking their allies to keep taking their land.. after that i concentrated on colonising and invading north africa and west africa while i save scummed constantly to stop portugal & bohemia getting heirs.. every time they get an heir i reload.. which was pretty often.. and every time my royal marriage died i reloaded.. portugals leader died at 72.. pretty old, im sure the game really doesnt want me to get a pu.. it did everything it could to try to prevent it.. but when u have a time machine things all work out fine.. i got a pu over bohemia & portugal.. now its 1520 and i own all the colonial powers, most of west africa and all of north africa.. took out morrocco tunis and mamluks.. its pretty east when u have france

[@King_epic_face]

real goated idea set for hordes is espionage unironically.

[@thomasmillin2155]

Laith goes to Durham, Definetly Hild Bede

[@saulgallagher5668]

That Bohemia shape... I should call her

[@evanschoepke6375]

lets get part 2 yo

[@rsabinioan]

43:35 cheeky console

[@TheRomanianRegent]

I see someone was inspired to play Kazan😎.

[@vagagent9547]

when Laith says "if we get 7000 likes i will do a part 2" IS A LIE!

[@ChristianJosson]

Kazan is one of the most beautiful cities in Russia after all

[@border4851]

Absolutely true.❤

[@EDDE]

The historical centre is a bit small, compared to St.Petersburg or Moscow, but compared to many other Russian Capitals it sure is beautiful!

[@user-lt4of1sy9n]

Nice seeing u play my home city 🥰

[@johnconnor8206]

I wonder is a rulers pips as a general related to their military skill (like the one that generates military mana)

[@anl8830]

Yes, they add to your effective army tradition (0.5 x [Army Tradition]) + (7 x [ruler military skill]) So if you had 30 tradition and 6 mil mana king your effective tradition would be .5×30+(7×6)=57 If you had 2 mil mana king, he would role as .5x30+(7×2)=29 tradition general

[@Galaron100]

If you hover over the 'turn ruler into general' option in the Military tab, it will tell you how many pips the King can have. Like 5-8. It also works with generals, so you can compare it.

[@aidansmith2814]

Day 3: laith Bhutan world conquest

[@nyoodmono4681]

I have difficulties understanding you

[@wiel5908]

please kazan part 2

[@liamtan865]

Day 3 of asking laith to play more anbennar.

[@kylord20001]

cav flanking lets your cav attack more units at once in battle, don't know if that's that complicated

[@FrederikJolle]

Bro the exiled units

[@viorp5267]

Crimea is my favorite horde because you can become catholic and the HRE Emperor :>

[@renovatioimperii9205]

ik the title is a clickbait as it changed multiple times but i dont care if it is because deep down, it's the truth, Kazan IS the best horde in the game (excluding maybe Mandchouria because banners?)

[@Peterhakansson]

Two things I don't understand? 1. Why not put a fort on the goldmine? 2. Why don't you run at least level 1 advisors?

[@TheRockhound119]

I also hover between two and three

[@NominatusLP]

What happend to Tom? why we dont see videos of you both together anymore or him alone? Dont miss understand me, i really like your videos, but Tom had a really relaxing voice, perfect to listen to. :D

[@beasty9525]

what about forming Greece but with 100% inflation?

[@IquonYT]

Maybe you could also Release bulgaria in tolcu for the next war?

[@tigrecito48]

hey laith do you know how many vassals/pus can form other nations while ur in control of them? cos i thought it was only prussia that can form as a vassal but recently in my malay playthru i had a large mong miao vassal and they formed SHAN

[@azh698]

I think it's only endgame tags that can't be formed while a subject nation.

[@Infidi]

@@azh698 no, about 95-99% of all formables require you to be independent. The only exceptions are Prussia (but not all versions of the decision allow it), Curonia and maybe some others which are formed by events/missions (I had Livonia formed by a vassal Livonian order)

[@azh698]

@@Infidi Cool.

[@toddyoung913]

I feel laith says like and I will do a 2nd episode but when the likes are achieved very few 2nd videos occur????

[@ymer234]

Coring with 5 war exhaustion is not really optimal either, so meh.

[@oscarhocklee]

I'm sure this would have been a lot easier with a bit more of a khan do attitude

[@Bluesonofman]

play as revolutionary America

[@mathbyshlok763]

Hey Faith, what dlc should I get? I just got EU4 and it isn't even functional.

[@patrickp5368]

wait for a Humble Bundle sale to grab all of them, but Art of War and Common Sense are basically required

[@burgerking2783]

I dont know if the humble bundle deal will come back, it has only happend once

[@phfil412]

pay the $5 subscription for all of them

[@burgerking2783]

I agree with short history, 5 dollars a month, and eu4 will only be around for another year/2 years

[@CharlieKellyEsq]

Pro Gamer btw

[@djordjejovanovic4540]

I don't really understand when i should take trade ideas, and when i Google it what i only see is like "oh when you want to increase trade income" and that doesn't really say anything. When is it worth investing into trade instead in economic, besides when you have abundance of diplo points?

[@Infidi]

You take Trade when you are in a position to steer a decent amount from multiple trade nodes and have a decent trade node with 70+% TP as your main node. You take Economic when you want to stack dev cost reduction, have gold mines and want passive inflation reduction, want to stack building cost or want to pair it with offensive and quality to have space marines. You DON''T take Trade when you have a shitty trade node with no incoming routes, barely any trade power in your main/nearby nodes, or any presence in potential nodes you can steer from. You DON"T take Eco when all you want is more money but don't care about the previously mentioned. Basically, the idea is to stack more of what you already have. You don't take Trade ideas when you don't make money from trade, you take it when you're already filthy rich from trade and want to be even more rich, you don't take eco when you don't already have the things it adds up to. You want to figure out what your nations is already good at and get more of that. You don't compensate your weaknesses, you double, triple and quadruple down on your strengths.

[@harunkuf7055]

Can you exploit provinces as a horde? Or can you exploit after you raze. If you can getting the achievements like the golden horde before 1500 becomes hella easy.

[@Draugtaur]

algaaaaa

[@jamieward3574]

Three free diplomats doing nothing... if only you could steal maps somehow...

[@tigrecito48]

i played great horde and conquered the world for the first time.. what do you think of great horde ideas vs golden horde ideas vs mongol empire ideas? i feel like the ideas got slightly worse each time i changed them.. or is it just me?

[@azh698]

Mongol Empire doesn't have unique ideas. It keeps the ideas of the country they reformed from, so Yuan, Golden Horde, or Ilkhanate. I prefer Yuan in general, but Golden Horde have some spicy ones too.

[@tigrecito48]

@@azh698 yeah i did great horde golden horde yuan mongol empire then the one from unifying islam i prefer the colour of golden horde and the ideas of great horde

[@azh698]

@@tigrecito48 You can go from Mongol Empire to the Caliphate? I did not know that! Although I prefer the great Mongol state government than feudal theocracy.

[@Rosemarie_and_tomato]

@@azh698 you don't get it as horde

[@Rosemarie_and_tomato]

@@tigrecito48 golden horde ideas are better than great horde's and Yuan ideas are one of the best in SP

[@griffinhunter3206]

kazan is a great nation

[@mafioso_nicho]

Colonial novogorod please!

[@tomrutten8977]

Are you going to play imperator Rome again. I saw ludi video and started playing it. It is a very good game if you learn it! Plz play imperator rome!!!!!!

[@tomrutten8977]

@J Wilt I have no idea. I love the time period of Ancient Rome but I now there is one for the bronze age. I'm very sad they stopped working on it. There are still bugs or feutures that could be improved. It is a very good game!

[@LordofKings_]

Hey Laith, I'm a beginner at VIc3. It would be very fun and nice if you could make guides for certain countries in Victoria 3! maybe the more challenging countries like Ottomans, Russia, Japan, Etc.

[@johnconnor8206]

Tip: don’t drill horses because of their cost

[@hashtagrex]

however, average drill of an army increases movement speed, which pairs *exceedingly* well with hordes

[@PH-jv4ik]

Video idea African Horde

[@TungstenArm]

Day 2 of asking Laith to NOT do an EU4 colonial Novgorod game

[@wpjohn91]

No mattet what i just cant seem to win as a horde. I always in the end get battered by the ottomans

[@fuadlabib703]

What's up lathinians

[@EgnachHelton]

Can you culture shift to a Slavic culture and form Russia as a horde?

[@turkiye.facts.genius]

you can't be a nomad nation to form russia

[@ramp597]

​@@turkiye.facts.geniuscan you shift to tribe then to horde as russia?

[@tigrecito48]

another thing.. how come mamluk troops are so op? i was warring them as britain in like 1500... i was ahead on tech they stack wiped my 22k army with their 20k army... i mean., i only took expansion & exploration so my armies werent amazing but i feel like something weird was going on

[@goranpersson7726]

@J Wilt True, western unit pips are pretty trash tier until the later techs

[@Brakiros]

Because they likely have the Shock scholar active which gives +10% shock and the Circassian bonus which gives them further damage bonuses. Also did they have Quality or Offensive as ideas?

[@jessejenkins3527]

Love it

[@tigrecito48]

talking of cheating games.. a war i was in recently my army went up to 78% i think and then stayed on 78% for like 3 months... the enemy was on 7% and i save scummed it cos it won ("first time every time" as i like to say cos the game is so good at sieges that it nearly always wins, especially when your army is approaching) anyway i reloaded 7 times.. they won on 7% 7 times in a row.. if my maths is correct there is a ONE in 823,543 chance of that happening if the game isnt cheating...

[@hashtagrex]

theres several hidden features of sieges. One of which is that defenders need to be below a threshold for the siege to advance on a tick, the other being that forts below 100 men fall instantly. Reloading doesn't necessarily cause a siege tick to happen differently. Games can't have true randomness, so rely on tracking other variables to influence outcomes to be closer to random. Reloading won't necessarily alter the variable it was tracking. The vast majority of people saying ai cheats on siege is due to confirmation bias, at best they get a minor advantage. If you go out of your way to track your own sieges and compare to ai, you'll notice a lot more how even it is

[@tigrecito48]

@@hashtagrex its not confirmation bias because i save scum all the time and it does it ALL THE TIME.. the ai will more often win its siege quick if i send my army towards it to try to fight it.. and its not using mil mana to barrage cos it does it before artillery often.. and its not general pips cos it does it no matter what nation it is and no matter what general they have.. and if no one else is having this problem i can only suggest that paradox has installed an extra cheaty version of the game for me.. probably cos i often call them names when the game keeps crashing.. sieges arent even at all ive done a lot of checking..

[@tigrecito48]

@@hashtagrex ps i think i worked out the chances wrong.. i was doing 7x7 7 times.. but i think its a 7 in 100 chance 7 times which works out at a 1 in 105 million chance. i have more chance to win the lottery.. and its not cos they have fewer than 100 men it was my fort not one id recently taken.. and its random seed this game it does not do the same thing every time.. however enemy ai often jump forward 14% or 21% every month while mine most often go 0% or 7% - i wrote down the results various times and on average the enemy jumps forward 0% maybe 1 in 20 times, they jump forward 7% 3 in 20, 14% 6 times, 21% 6 time, win 4 times when its on the 7% to 21% mark.. whereas me as a player it would be 0% 6 times, 7% 7 times, 14% 3 times, 21% 3 times win 1 time this is just an example cos i cant remember the exact results... the game also cheats cinsistently on dice rolls in batles cos i also save scum those often when im up against an enemy that keeps beating me really easily.. its partially cos of national ideas & generals etc but its also because all enemy ai mostly get higher numbers than you most of the time probably 14 times out of 20 or more it will roll higher than the player.. doesnt matter who the enemy is.. ive literally save scummed 10s of thousands of times so dont tell me im showing bias i can clearly see what is happening the game cheats

[@hashtagrex]

@@tigrecito48 congrats, you managed to completely ignore everything i said and prove that you are using confirmation bias. I literally just told you why savescumming won't always affect the outcome. You sound like an enraged kid going off on one, especially with the sheer volume of comments you have raging about random things. You have a severe lack of understanding about the game. I tried to be civil and helpful, but youre a lost cause who doesnt care about actual fact, just confirming your bias

[@MS-dg7fm]

what do you mean no one plays? if you said nogai i would understand...

[@vexifiz6792]

Painful 8k troops lol

[@micayahritchie7158]

Day 21 suggesting forming the empire of the Caribbean in after the end

[@rgb3304]

I like playing Kazan, but there is NO good way to get instututions out there, you're about as far as possible from the spawn of every early-game institution and you get less spread due to being a horde. It's miserable.

[@thegoodstuf1663]

Mongolian horde