This Is The Dumbest Thing I've Ever Heard Vaush Say

[@legndofphoenix]

The defensiveness of the voosh viewers in the replies must be related to their addiction to watching videos

[@mrelba9176]

Disagreement is not defensiveness. Not everything is baked into a lack of self-esteem.

[@Invisfire777]

@@mrelba9176yea man when he starts screaming and calling people retarded for disagreeing is a sign of a well balanced, unemotional interlocutor

[@Shagnazty-nn1ub]

@@mrelba9176 That's nice. Vaush fanboys are defensive though.

[@mrelba9176]

@@Shagnazty-nn1ub I'm not speaking on their behalf. My comment doesn't exist in a vacuum.

[@hinasakukimi]

@@Shagnazty-nn1ub think it comes from vaush getting a lot of undeserved shit. but some of it is deserved or at least understandable

[@eliduncan4630]

Defensive? Why would a broad group of people being maligned as untrustworthy and unreasonably impaired get defensive? That doesn't even make sense

[@yert5035]

he never said anything in regards to all pot heads.....potheads in chat were arguing in favor of doing crack on the subway where other people cam breath that shit in. this is untrustworthy. it doesn't make sense because you people don't get the context.. you just run with what your youtubers say. the context for vaush's drug takes span several streams.

[@RancorousSea]

You guys are only defensive because you're untrustworthy addicts. What? Why is everyone pissed? All I said was smoking too much weed irritates your lungs.

[@yert5035]

@@RancorousSea ......the context for vaushs addiction stance spans like 3 streams. In one stream pot heads in chat were argueing in favor of letting a crack head do crack on the subway where other people can breathe that shit in. This is untrustworthy. Potheads in chat also act like you cant be addicted to weed whenever addiction is brought up. This is untrustworthy. I smoke weed everyday. People often refer to their drug dealers as being on "drug time" in reference to their unreliable timing. Vaush was not talking about all smokers. He made a general statement. General statements are not starments on the all as you pretend to be the case. You people refuse to understand what vaush was saying because yall are mad because he destroyed anti electorism and its complete lack of arguements in its favor. Yall are pathetic. Its so telling when yall refuse to actually engage with what he says.

[@FrancisR420]

I don't trust a guy this high on his own farts

[@siah2930]

I'm really glad you covered this because I agree with Vaush on most things, but his stubborn and conceited attitude makes it so hard to explain to him when he's wrong. I have a huge problem with him moralizing drug abuse, which is ultimately a mental health issue

[@jrock71]

How does Vaush feel about Xanderhal, I guess untrustworthy

[@shrub8644]

I feel like people are misunderstanding him hard. Like has he even said it's not a mental health issue? No, he has not.

[@siah2930]

@@shrub8644 then why is he making it a moral issue instead of talking about it's relationship to mental health? Are mental health issues indicative of poor character? If not then why are these people less trustworthy? Either way the behavior says something about them or not, you have to choose one

[@esbenm6544]

@@shrub8644 cope

[@PlatinumAltaria]

I stopped watching him because he just kept refusing to be corrected on anything. He doesn't care what the truth is, he cares about "owning the libs" but against conservatives instead.

[@dandoll4405]

Every meal you've ever paid for was made by a "habitual drug user"

[@tatertotbobaandpieck]

Literally 😭😭 90% of kitchen staff is on SOMETHIN

[@grimroten3299]

Hey just because I've worked in a kitchen for 25 years and never met anyone in the kitchen who wasn't on something doesn't mean everyone is on something

[@KrazyKaiser]

@@grimroten3299 Idk, where you the outlier who wasn't on anything?

[@eliduncan4630]

With attitudes like this one i wonder why people aren't honest about their habits with themselves and the others

[@MissXHiem]

i trusted my cousin while he was addicted to heroine more than the rest of the alcoholic family, idk it really depends on the person

[@ricardoramos4514]

Well to be fair you comparing substance abusers to other substance abusers

[@Kataquan]

Uh oh. Vaush mentioned. This comment section is gonna be a mess

[@legndofphoenix]

Engagement is engagement I guess

[@d_trich]

Did you know Vaush was caught in Ukraine with a stable full of underage horses

[@DjFusion86]

Well I agree with Vaush on most things but he’s 100% wrong here, so I’m pretty sure even his fan won’t fight for him in the comments. At least not as much as usual

[@legndofphoenix]

​@@DjFusion86there are some people taking it super seriously, lmao

[@nathanjasper512]

Not really. Most Vaush fans disagree with him on his weed takes.

[@FrancisR420]

He has to say habitual because a person in recovery is always an addict, (meaning fighting an addiction) And he would fall under that umbrella. Almost like generalization is the problem.

[@tatiana4050]

That's a rhetoric from NA and AA. Which are religious programs.

[@nicholasfernandes1890]

Vaush your paranoia about certain types of people is a neurosis not a socio-political position

[@dragontears]

I've never smoked weed a day in my life, I'm 38, and this is the worst take I've ever heard.

[@legndofphoenix]

You must be a pothead addict! *permabans you and your children*

[@yert5035]

well I smoke everyday and vaush is right. vaush is pretty much just saying that weed has harms..... he never said anything in regards to all pot heads.....potheads in chat were arguing in favor of doing crack on the subway where other people cam breath that shit in. this is untrustworthy.

[@TasTheWatcher]

Untrustworthy is definitely the wrong word, outside of specific instances (maybe like a meth addict who will lie and steal to get their next fix?) Maybe _unreliable_ would be more fitting? but even then, habitual isn't (necessarily) the same as dependence/addiction

[@flamemasterelan]

Yeah, in a later video he was saying things like "You can't trust someone to be on time," and chat pointed out that he meant unreliable, but he doesn't see a difference between terms.

[@dragontears]

I don't even think unreliable is fitting. I mean, considering the variety of drugs that fuel different businesses. I mean wall street and the food industry and the entertainment industry are all typically said to be driven by different drugs, and those cliches seem to be true. All high-effort high-output workers.

[@kiskara]

​@dragontears You named 3 industries with a storied history of mismanagement, criminality, and corruption....

[@Cancellator5000]

@@dragontears Well, they probably burn out early and become less reliable over time. I'd trust somebody that does those jobs without any heavy drugs to be more reliable long term and maybe even short term.

[@Cancellator5000]

@@kiskara True lol. Politicians do lots of drugs too probably and they are angels \s.

[@kg4tnp]

That was a dumb statement from him. It comes off as high and mighty. This sounds like some dumbshit John Doyle would say.

[@banonKING]

Vaush, is being surprisingly un-specific... which was dumb. Music bad! You mean pop music? Like even the art of making any sound is bad? Drugs bad! You mean drug addiction? Or any substance that alters your brain temporarily?

[@Andysavage24]

Fr. If he had it his way, we'd be musicless and drugless. What an empty life.

[@neet0burrit035]

I consider myself a vaush fan, less so these days than a year or two ago, but I still Check in fairly regularly. But his drug (specifically weed) takes have ALWAYS struck me as a bit classist and reactionary. I feel like he had some bad experience in the past and it (ironically) impedes his judgment on this subject.

[@Andysavage24]

Dude has main character syndrome and is the embodiment of "Well, actually..."

[@DukeRaoul55]

He also advocates for hitting women.

[@malditobandito98]

i really feel like Vaush just greened tf out at some point and it scared him, and now he makes it out to be a boogeyman of some sorts lmfao.

[@hinasakukimi]

it's ironic because he's criticized ana kasparian in the past for how she demonizes addicts

[@Shanook]

Yeah I think you're right. I have always had a not so good experience with drugs maybe other than shrooms. I was a pos when I was on weed (not blaming weed just how I used it as a crutch). I just can't function really well while high, I always hope that its a chill time but I almost always just get extremely anxious. I learned that weed just simply is not for me, and thats ok. But to shame other people for smoking is just dumb in my opinion. I do think that stoners especially in leftist spaces can be insufferable, but like don't fucking judge just on if they smoke or not.

[@MaeriTheAlien]

Even if they are addicted, people need sympathy more than they need shame

[@Sivanot]

He literally never said otherwise.

[@PenguinEconomics-st2ws]

@@Sivanot But branding them as untrustworthy won't encourage sympathy.

[@novuspatriarch]

@@Sivanot He said they needed shame in the first 30 seconds.

[@anubion42]

@@PenguinEconomics-st2ws He's clarified in a more recent video that we shouldnt trust drink or high people to do something like drive. Because they are untrustworthy behind a wheel. Not that nothing they say can be trusted. But that when they say they are fine and try to act sober. Maybe dont let them swim in the lake at night. Also mentioning that drugs like alcohol and weed are more impairing then say caffeine because they have different chemical effects on a person. He just talked about it broadly and people ran with it. like "Drugs impede function" He's talking about weed, meth, and herion, and alcohol. Not caffeine, or even nicotine. If they cant drive after taking a thing, thank makes them more untrustworthy. If youve left a bar and your buddy has offered to drive home and you thought "man that sounds like a bad idea" Then maybe dont turst them in that moment. Like maybe you will be fine, maybe he does drive better drunk. Sure as hell not a gamble im taking. I sure as hell dont trust myself to drive stoned, i hope the rest of you dont either. It feels like people are taking this way more literally then most times. Im not going to not let someone drive for taking an ibuprofen. wont let an alcoholic drive me to the store after topping up his flask. Everyone (vaush included) is talking with too broad a stroke I also dont care who high your tolerance is. Weed still makes me slower after one hit of a dab pen. I wont drive if my reaction time is slowed. Thats stupid and dangerous to myself and others, i wouldnt trust myself or others to drive then.

[@Shagnazty-nn1ub]

@@anubion42 "He's clarified in a more recent video that we shouldnt trust drink or high people to do something like drive. Because they are untrustworthy behind a wheel. Not that nothing they say can be trusted. But that when they say they are fine and try to act sober. Maybe dont let them swim in the lake at night." Wow, so he took that long to think about a way to make this stupid point make sense, and the best he could come up with was "Don't smoke and drive kids." Thanks Vaush, what a topical and timely reminder of what is so fucking obvious you just look dumber for thinking this is an out for unilaterally calling ALL HABITUAL DRUG USERS untrustworthy. /s Is he gonna tell me to not cross the street without looking both ways in the next hot take?

[@goop_ow5364]

Emailed him about this and he just said he supports drug de criminalization and that I need to stop being so defensive like bro you just aired classist and ignorant rhetoric, and you’re purely projecting your own scared feels because the poors are untrustworthy

[@yert5035]

You do need to stop being so defensive.... Vaush pretty much just said drugs can cause harm and you babies are pissing and shitting yourselves over it. He never said poor people are untrustworthy. The context for this spans several streams. In one stream pot heads in chat were arguing in favor of letting crack heads do crack on the subway where other people can breathe that shit in.... This is untrustworthy of chat to do. Pot heads in chat also freak out whenever addiction is mentioned and then they purposefully misinterpret what was said. Again this is untrustworthy. Btw I smoke weed everyday.... Vaush's position is that you should be a chad, recognise the harms and keep using if you chose to. General statements aren't statements that apply to all.... He was speaking generally but y'all act like he's specifically talking about you. If your drug use isn't making you untrustworthy then he wasn't talking about you.... But the fact y'all are so offended and willing to misinterpret is telling me y'all do have a problem. Be a good weed smoker like me. Ever heard of drug time? If you ever dealt with drug dealers you should know what drug time is.

[@FrozEnbyWolf150]

Not only is caffeine a drug that has the potential to be highly addictive, it's also more chemically toxic than most people realize. The LD50 of caffeine is 150-200 mg / kg (a lower LD50 means it takes less of the substance to be dangerous). There have been numerous reports of people ODing on caffeine, usually involving powdered caffeine, which is close to pure. You are not supposed to just scoop it into your drink.

[@FrancisR420]

caffeine isn't taken nearly as seriously as it should be, You can't put cocaine in your brain tonic anymore But you can load it with caffeine and If you're a scumbag (Alex Jones) You don't even have to disclose it anywhere on the label You can just put "yerba extract"

[@AnEntropyFan]

Caffeine is indeed toxic in very small doses. But what is the point you're making? Vaush's point was that being always high makes you unreliable (which he oddly and confusingly phrased as "not trustworthy", which can lead a reasonable person to conclude he was making a judgment that potheads are deceptive which of course is groundless), which is statistically true. Furthermore, being chronically high makes you a more direct threat to others if you operate heavy machinery or drive, something I think is important. Any active substance you intake beyond medical necessity will diminish your health (caffeine might be worse than pot in that regard, we do know it's highly corrosive and not just toxic), but not every active substance will make the difference between you running over a child or swerving/braking just fast enough to avoid it. That's the moral consideration to be had. If you neither operate heavy machinery nor perform any other complex task that puts other people at risk; do whatever you want with your life, man.

[@seff6533]

Yet no one sucks dick to get caffeine. Strange.

[@notshardain]

@@AnEntropyFan vaush is always high on caffeine (a drug with more potential to be dangerous than weed, a drug that vaush is vehemently against) yet makes blanket statements that chronic/habitual drug users are untrustworthy, was probably the point of this comment.

[@AnEntropyFan]

@@notshardain Caffeine is a productivity drug, so it wouldn't be causing the "untrustworthyness" Vaush spoke of. What caffeine will cause is a premature death.

[@letustalk]

Vaush is the perfect example of something that he, himself, once said: someone can have great politics and still be a shitty person. I used to think he was a chill dude who got occasionally excited, but he’s proven himself to be an insufferable prick. When talking about non-political topics (or soft-politics), he views himself as a fucking philosopher-king and then makes piss-poor arguments to reinforce his biases. His arguments are so bad that they’re literally formal fallacies. At least if he made good points, I would still respect him on a personal level, but he doesn’t try. He just projects his insecurities onto chat and then pops a blood vessel as he tells them they’re dumb.

[@JeremyCioppa]

Well he did say that you can't say anything negative about weed smokers without having them winge at you, so far he's right on that.

[@ranbummerz729]

His attitude was refreshing when it came to debating rightoids because there weren't really many left wingers debating like that during gamergate but now he isn't really doing that anymore and just argues with chat instead which sometimes he's right but either way he does come off as very unwarrantedly abrasive like Hasan

[@Shagnazty-nn1ub]

@@JeremyCioppa Wow, it's almost like bold-facedly demeaning the character of an entire demographic of people pisses them off. Who knew?

[@Invisfire777]

Yea I stopped watching vaush after screaming at a chatter “you’re so fucking retarded I’m gonna kill myself” cause the chatter had a minor disagreement. Honestly tho vaushes politics are as good as “not a 1000% lib” which I’d say isn’t great to begin with

[@yahwehvii6059]

@@JeremyCioppaHaving people trying to say you’re wrong and him saying that’s people losing their minds is the same energy that insufferable right wingers exude. It’s childish.

[@mearacat]

This is such a priviledged take. I don't do weed, I don't know anyone who uses it recreationally and I still think that doing weed is perfectly fine for adults and wouldn't think they're untrustworthy because of that. I've never known anyone who does something more than acid but like I'd treat people as individuals with life experiences that can affect how they do drugs, not just be wary of them outright.

[@Andysavage24]

Isn't Vaush privileged in general?

[@yert5035]

....why can't y'all respond to what he actually said instead of making shit up? Pot heads in chat were arguing in favor of smoking crack on the subway where other people can breath that shit in. This is untrustworthy. Pot heads in chat also freak out and purposefully misinterpret what has been said whenever addiction is even remotely brought up. This is untrustworthy. Vaush has pretty much just said that weed comes with some harm.... Then chat freaks the fuck out and act like smoking is perfectly healthy. General statements do not apply to all. But y'all act like he was talking about all... It was a general statement. If someones drug habits don't produce untrustworthyness then vaush simply wasn't talking about that individual. People that buy drugs often refer to their dealers as being on drug time.... Vaush's position is that you should be a Chad and recognize the harms and then choose to keep smoking if you wish. I smoke weed constantly.

[@penpointred]

Major Vaush L on this one. Untrustworthy people are untrustworthy regardless. And using something habitually doesn’t make u untrustworthy. It’s especially rich coming from someone hooked on adderall.

[@fatshibaballs]

Added chemicals in your brain doesn’t help.

[@noritochip_97]

@@fatshibaballs What does Prozac do to a body?

[@edwinrollins142]

​@@fatshibaballsthey can potentially help, it really depends

[@fatshibaballs]

@@noritochip_97 "what does a drug designed to do a specific thing do" is not "weed is based and cures everything lol"

[@theressomelovelyfilthdownh4329]

@@fatshibaballs And none of those have awful side effects, or become addictive? I personally can't stand stoners who think cannabis is some magical panacea. But I smoke cannabis because it helps with my PTSD, anxiety, and depressed after spending the first 24 years of my life living through the troubles in one of the hardest hit border towns. In saying that, I only use a tiny amount throughout the day. What Jake is sparking up would do me all day if that a pure cannabis J. Been on five different proscribed "drugs designed to do a specific thing", which were little more than nightmare fuel. Each one came with its own fun packed host of side effects. One being me leaving my brother in hospital for a week, because he came into my house complaining about some random crap whilst I was fecked up on one of those "drugs designed to do a specific thing". BTW, I have been in three fights in the fifty years I have been on this earth. And two of those were in high school. I'm also 6ft 2" and 220lbs lean, so just being loud is normally a good enough form of defence. If they don't know me, they aren't going to risk it. But I have to live with doing that to my own brother thanks to those new wonder drugs designed to do a specific thing.

[@ComradeRC33]

As someone who watches both of you I definitely agree with you more for the most part. I can see to an extent where vaush is coming from but he's being too broad with his statements. I can understand if he was talking about meth or heroine abuse but smoking some herb no. Especially since cannabis can have medicinal use like chronic pain management where someone would be using it daily in a responsible way. I smoke for back pain because it helps manage it without me being out of it since I have a very low tolerance for opioid prescriptions and they fuck me up.

[@MegCazalet]

Lord I wish I could smoke to replace my opioid pain meds. Dilaudid has become very hard to get for some reason, according to my pharmacy their distributor hasn’t had it and rarely gets it, and this past month I had to just fill 2/3 of my prescription because the choice was that or run out and go into withdrawal. Apparently I’m somehow their only client on it. Now I have to talk to the hospital Patient Advocate to even get my Pain Management doctor to take the time to figure out a bridge prescription or a permanent switch to who knows what. My experience with weed has not been very good, but that was not an attempt for pain control. I’d really like to see how it would work for me. But I live in Texas and they make everything difficult.

[@ComradeRC33]

@MegCazalet I hope things work out well with finding a replacement/bridge medication. If you get a chance to try cannabis for pain management try it in small amounts especially if you didn't have good experiences trying it recreationally. Cannabis can be very helpful but like anything it also isn't for everyone. Also cbd can work a lot for some people without the high. It's cannabis derived like thc is but isn't psychoactive. Usually you get cbd from hemp rather then the form of cannabis we call weed. And cbd is legal in 48 of the 50 states so it's easier to get it from a legal distributor.

[@MegCazalet]

@@ComradeRC33 Thank you so much for the kind words, support, and advice! I needed you around in the past. I have to confess, I tried THC tincture a few years ago, and I actually overdid it and had a TERRIBLE experience similar to when I’ve smoked, which was also admittedly overdone, because my friends didn’t properly guide me either time with the monster bong hits. Eeep. Every time, even on the tincture, I literally thought I was dead. I felt like I was separate from time. I even tried “communicating to the outside world” by typing notes on my iPad, and I wrote things like “I’m sorry I died”. It was awful. I was “alive” enough for a moment that I ran and got my husband and told him things were bad. He lay with me, got the dogs with us, and put something on the tv to distract me, I don’t remember. It took overnight to get somewhat back to normal. I was TRAUMATIZED. And it was similar the times I smoked, too. I had dumbly assumed I’d be a-ok with a THC tincture and impatiently went hard. I always seem to get impatient with weed, which should by now be my signal that it’s actually working and to stop. But I’m still so consumed by this dependence on opioid pain management that takes up so much energy, time, and emotion trying to ensure I get my monthly prescriptions. My doctor is so difficult to reach reliably via MyChart/phone since we switched to only having office visits every couple of months, despite me having contacted the Patient Advocate multiple times over the years and being promised “this will never ever happen again.” (Plus now things are even worse since supply chain issues have been screwing things up.) It’s terrifying almost every month, for one reason or another, and I’m obsessively skipping doses to ensure I have an emergency supply at all times. Withdrawal is a looming threat each month tunless I otherwise suffer needless pain by very carefully skipping doses to have pills later! IT IS UNETHICAL. My doctor is retiring soon and I have to find a new one and though he’s a nightmare in his own way, finding a new one is going to be so scary. I’ve built up 15+ years of trust with this guy, who in person is wonderful and unlike previous neurologists, never treated me like a lying drug addict. He’s also the father of a friend I grew up with, so we have personal ties as well. That’s why the way he drops the ball with my timely prescriptions is extra hurtful. I have only ever called my friend over it once, because I keep business separate. And I want every communication documented with the hospital. Goodness, I’m just venting/ranting, UGH. So sorry. I’m in the middle of so much pain management stress right now. Could you describe how well the pain relief of weed/THC works? Like, how does it feel? You actually notice the relief? What would you think about me trying THC again? Perhaps getting a gummie of a lower amount of THC, and very very slowly? A number of shops have popped up very near me, while I used to have to buy them online. My husband isn’t thrilled with the idea, understandably, but I’m DESPERATE.

[@ComradeRC33]

@MegCazalet no need to apologize. Sometimes it can help to vent. It kinda dulls the pain and helps with relaxation. It doesn't entirely get rid of it at least not for me but it certainly helps. Yeah I definitely don't recommend fat bong rips for a first timer lol. I'd say smoking wise a hit or two from a pipe and waiting like 10 minutes to see how you feel might be a better idea. It's a little easier to take small tokes that way. Tincture and edibles can take 30 to 45 minutes to take effect since eating it takes longer to get into your system but also tends to last longer. Oil based Tincture and things like lotion can be used topically and tend to have a more local effect. I know there's a brand called terpsy that make a 10 MG gummy that are decent. You could try taking a quarter of one to start with. I always recommend starting lower for less experienced user especially if your just going for pain management. Cbd might be something to look into if thc is still to strong at a low dose. It basically just relaxes you without the high. It's not as strong on its own for my back pain but works better for my headaches and both of them together work really well. Over doing it on cbd also shouldn't give you weird time distortion effects or that dissociation (feeling dead) since it's not psychoactive. It should just make you feel sleepy if you take too much. I've at least never heard of those kind of effect from overdoing cbd. I'm also not a medical professional just a guy whose been growing for over a decade lol.

[@cns6]

I like Vaush, and there's a lot that I agree with him on. This was not only one of the dumbest things he's said but blatantly dishonest. What Jake responded to was part of a longer rant Vaush went on, as he responded to another person's video addressing Vaush's takes on drug use. Vaush spent this entire segment deflecting. I'm not qualified to say to how intimate his relationship is with these people, but he absolutely trusts drug users. He's stated in the past that Vermin has done drugs, he spent New Years with Demon Momma, and he's good friends with the Drunken Peasants pod cast. They've all been open about their drug use. If I didn't trust someone, I wouldn't go to that person's house for New Years, possibly get drunk, and leave my self vulnerable to them. Vaush likes to rant about he doesn't like to have guest call ins because he doesn't know if they might say something to have his channel struck. If he's worried about his channel, why would he go on to someone else's show if he doesn't trust them? I really think Contra ending their friendship really impacted him deeply. His takes on drug use, and games are starting to really get worn out. Some of what he has to say I agree with, but if you mention games, he spends 20 minutes pedo jacketing games he doesn't respect, and another 30 minutes shitting all over other games that aren't Dark Souls, or a select handful of other games he enjoys. At first, it was like, yeah, sure, that's a personal opinion he's entitled to. After all, I do tune in to hear his opinions. But, it's like Jake said Vaush's responses are emotional responses, just like in this video. It's one thing to strongly say, "I REALLY don't like X game," or, "I REALLY don't like drugs," but fucking christ, let people enjoy the things they like. He attacks others for their interests, and then acts all, "uWu small bean, I don't understand why people are offended." This isn't a Vaush bad post. I LIKE Vaush. I think he has a lot of valuable insight, but he says a lot of stupid shit, and these were a couple of the dumbest opinions he's put out there.

[@ishq963]

In my experience, as a past vaushite. This type of critical viewing of vaush is normal, or at least used to be. Keep doing what you want 🤙 Just because I have moved on doesn’t mean you need to as well, if you still enjoy vaush I encourage you to view his content🫶

[@theressomelovelyfilthdownh4329]

Ironically, he was telling his fans what type of jackets they should buy, right before showing his love for loli bestiality. Dude literally pedo jacketed himself live on stream.

[@SkepticalJesusOfficial]

Just say NO to Liberalism Voosh took one hit of Liberalism and now look at him… sadge

[@panillaicecream5095]

As a vaushite this rant is making me want to unsub hes kinda been an asshole latley

[@ishq963]

Yup, went ahead and finalized my way out of the Vaush community after this. Already left Reddit and stopping paying for his .gg months ago, but today finally went and unsubbed/unfollowed all his content channels today. He cares more about western shipment routes than the genocide of Palestinians. He uses slurs constantly. He repeats 1980s drug war propaganda. Not interested anymore, his good points are all outweighed by Vaush Bad at this point(IMO).

[@matthewhorrigan5848]

You should, he's a dipshit. Used to somewhat enjoy him but jumped off that ship a long time ago.

[@Przemko27Z]

"lately"?

[@Nulldron]

Lately? His misogyny passed off as irony was enough for me

[@tsharabrown3719]

Normally I like Vaush, I agree with him on most things. It's hard for me to think of my weed usage as an addiction though, because it's helped me be a more productive and pleasant person than I was before I even touched the stuff. It helped my mental issues enough to improve myself. Maybe it's an addiction because I need it to get by, but it's done something for me that years of anti-depressants alone couldn't do.

[@yert5035]

he never said anything in regards to all pot heads..... stop taking general statements as insults. potheads in chat were arguing in favor of doing crack on the subway where other people can breath that shit in. this is untrustworthy. he wasn't necessarily talking about you. he has said he's fine with medication.

[@UpsideDown853]

This is what I find insulting. Vaush has the financial situation to get a diagnosis and to get prescriptions. That is a privilege. It sounds like if one has the money to get the pills in an orange box, it’s fine but if you buy them independently from the community you are untrustworthy. No, some people can’t pay the insurance price. He also doesn’t have to do hard 20-Hour Shifts or function as a Family Provider. I know so many people who use in order to sleep or stay awake or in order to remember to eat because they are surviving by working three jobs.

[@yert5035]

@@UpsideDown853 you aren't listening to what vaush said.... He never said all drug users are untrustworthy.

[@tsharabrown3719]

@@UpsideDown853 In my case, I have the pills in the orange cylinder but they simply have never done enough on their own. I would take a pill that gave me the same effect if one existed, but it doesn't.

[@TheWizardboy5]

@@yert5035 he literally said that smoking weed is an impedement to your brain function regardless of its use context. stfu.

[@coletrickle1775]

Vaush must have been watching some old rush Limbaugh...

[@MethSloth]

all of his recent takes are the exact same that limbaugh's would be

[@esbenm6544]

@@MethSloth nonsense

[@Darkchipper07]

what a bad take from ​@MethSloth

[@Pensive_Scarlet]

A lot of people who have this generalized belief that all drugs impede reasoning have just never had to deal with naturally occurring impediments to reasoning. Vaush, on the other hand, has to deal with ADHD, so I'm not really sure what he isn't grasping here. Maybe he's just had bad experiences with a few people?

[@katiecat9353]

I'm 10 minutes in and I'm kind of annoyed about the fact he's not addressing the fact he doesn't trust people who habitually take drugs, not specifically people who are high this very moment. Every argument he's making is based on how drugs affect reasoning, which only applies during the limited periods of time someone is on them .

[@eliduncan4630]

This is definitely one of his worst takes. Absolute thought terminating cliche stuff. As if marginally diminishing my cognitive functions by nature made me dumber than the average sober person automatically or automatically less trustworthy. Some of the least trustworthy people I've known were clean and sober and some of the most trustworthy I've ever known have been users. It's all a real disappointment as it's still totally stigmatizing things we have needed to address differently for the majority of modern history

[@AnEntropyFan]

The marginally diminished cognitive function made you "dumber", if that's the word you want to use, than your own self when not under the influence. More importantly, the diminishment is measurable. I don't really care about Vaush's punctuality, but don't you think you owe the society you live in not to have your reflexes and attentiveness deliberately diminished, no matter how perceivably "slightly", while for example driving a car? Keep in mind, if you smoke daily your capacity is always measurably diminished. You wouldn't choose to drive sleep depraved unless you are basically worked out ln what only technically isn't slavery and have no other choice, but in that case I'd argue the blood is on the system's hands.

[@yert5035]

He never said weed users are inherently untrustworthy. If your use doesn't make you untrustworthy then he wasn't talking about you. Stop taking generalized statements as statements on the all. The context for this controversy spans like 3 streams. In one stream pot heads in chat were arguing in favor of some dude doing crack on the subway where other people can breathe that shit in. In another stream they were acting like you can't be addicted to weed. This is untrustworthy. I smoke weed everyday

[@skippykay599]

Wow okay I hate Vaush’s take here so much. I don’t habitually drink or smoke, but I have friends who do and I wholeheartedly trust them. I am a nursing student who is planning on going into mental health nursing, and shaming, discriminating, and making gross generalizations about users is harmful on so many levels. I’m glad I stopped watching Vaush a few years ago

[@AnEntropyFan]

Vaush went into unnecessary moralising. However, you as a future nurse surely understand that a non-zero amount of kids have been ran over because a chronically high person at the wheel took one second too late to hit the brakes and/or engage the steering. You know, the same as we know for a fact the number of people who have been killed because people were on a phone call while driving is also non-zero. This is not gross generalisation, this is simple physics. And, no, contrary to what TJ Kirk and Sam Harris might think, interrupting nominal brain function does not give you magic neuromancy hacker special insight power - the CIA wasn't dosing people on LSD because LSD made your brain work better, and TJ and Sammy boy are confusing the shattering of the systems regulating lucidity with special insight"; acute induced psychosis holds no secrets to the universe. The relevant known variabls with being high on weed in particular for example is lowered operational memory, lowered reaction times and lowered vigilance. Now, Vaush made his point very confusingly, but pretty sure he meant "not trustworthy" as in not reliable in terms of stuff like punctuality (rather than assertion that they are scheming and dishonest).

[@joshuahensley9395]

As someone who does smoke weed everyday and does feel as though I need it to operate, I'm curious why my use and condition so much different then someone who doesn't take their anxiety meds or antidepressants 2 or 3 times a day.

[@Darkchipper07]

"does feel as though I need it to operate" Mate that sounds like an addiction...

[@theressomelovelyfilthdownh4329]

@@Darkchipper07 And if you take painkillers for say back pain, you're an addict? Or is it only cannabis users who get tarred with the term. Some people say that about coffee, with zero medical reason. Just be glad you don't suffer from any long term medical conditions. BTW, a lot of the drugs used to treat things like PTSD, depression, and anxiety are vastly worse than cannabis. Look up the side effects for some of those drugs, and then tell me which you'd rather take to deal with it.

[@Darkchipper07]

@@theressomelovelyfilthdownh4329 mate there is a difference for when you are prescribed something for a certain reason and people who smokes weed or drinks to get high/drunk on a daily basis. Vaush is talking about all the self diagnosis potheads that use it as an excuse for their obvious addiction. What would you call a person that drinks every night to numb the pain my dude?

[@tatiana4050]

​@@Darkchipper07 and you know they dont have presription for weed? Or wouldnt have one if they had access to medical professional?

[@Darkchipper07]

@@tatiana4050 do you know? If they are prescription to it then why get upset it isn't about them. This is about the self diagnosis potheads, *think mate*

[@kyle1910]

"it might be ableist, it might be r-slur" Right here why i don't follow Vaush

[@tatertotbobaandpieck]

He's not autistic right? And he definitely doesn't fit into any other group that might be affected by the r slur

[@kyle1910]

@@tatertotbobaandpieck IDK for sure, just that also lateral ableism is real and I'm not a fan of using it as a slur ever, even as a way to "reclaim" it

[@DijijiyoRony]

how do you feel about the word ``Queer`` ?

[@dawn4383]

@@tatertotbobaandpieck IIRC he's said he's autistic, but I don't know if he's actually diagnosed. But don't take my words as gospel.

[@ActualJake]

He is autistic but it's totally fine for some people to be uncomfortable with the liberal usage of a slur.

[@roosterssaloon]

As a habitual pot head, i can say first hand untrustworthyness hasnt been a byproduct of my drug use

[@nachomanrandysandwich4330]

I bet my life you've lied about your availability to others because you were 1. High. 2. Wanted to get high. 3. Had to reup on weed.

[@noritochip_97]

​​@@nachomanrandysandwich4330😂😂😂😂 you're crazy Nacho man.

[@MethSloth]

@@nachomanrandysandwich4330 bro weed isn't heroin lmao

[@armando5846]

Exactly the thing an untrustworthy stoner would say

[@nachomanrandysandwich4330]

@@MethSloth you're right, it isn't. Point still stands. There are two kinds of daily stoners. 1. People who know weed makes them less dependable on average. 2. Liars.

[@prageruwu69]

as someone who knows nothing about drugs im just sitting here watching while eating popcorn

[@esbenm6544]

cop out

[@screwintuna]

Definitely no drugs in the popcorn

[@midnightnavigator]

Does anyone wanna take bets that Xanderhal will take this as a personal attack and start spiraling towards bridge burning? 😂 I honestly think Vaush meant hard addicts on hard substances and presented it super ignorantly but didn't want to concede because HE knew what he meant and was upset others didn't get it. Just my opinion ofc.

[@lochnessamonster1912]

Was reallyyyyy pulling for xanderhal finally getting away from that group but they have him by the financial balls lol

[@nehriim3748]

Xanderhal would never bite the hand that feeds him.

[@AntiFaGoat]

Vaush's autism is really showing here. It's very common for people on the spectrum to have fixations on things they hate. Since Vaush is a professional debate bro, he got pulled into a fixation and realized he was losing after the fact. His hate for music is also probably a sensory fixation. You guys can call me offensive if you want. I worked as a disability coach and advocate for 3 years, my adult sibling is on the spectrum, and by DSM-4 criteria I'm borderline autistic. I know what I'm talking about. If Vaush wants to claim he's on the spectrum so it's okay for him to say the r-slur, I can call put behaviors.

[@MizzBellaKitty]

I have a friend on the spectrum and I can definitely say he's had those moments of fixation on something he hates. I'm not diagnosed with ASD but I do have ADHD and I tend to do the same.

[@AmaraTheBarbarian]

I'm a vaushite / corn head hybrid and i must agree with the corn on this issue. Furthermore i think vaush's take here is scorching hot as opposed to the "normal" critical analysis he's playing it off as, not the least of the issues being the one chatter brought up, the adderall shortage and one mr voosh not having enough of his mind altering drugs taken on a habitual (perscribed) schedule. If his take is to be taken as absolute then that would make him less trustworthy because he's taking a mind altering substance regularly... Is it okay because he's prescribed it, or because it's taken for non-neurotypical behavior? If that's his argument and personal exception for his own drug use then I think there is actually a classist divide here. I mean im not entirely opposed to recreational use of some drugs either, but in examining purely from the medicinal perspective he knows as well as any other leftist that not everyone in this country can afford proper healthcare and some people are using them to cope with symptoms they can't have resolved in the "proper" way. I don't think that should automatically make a person less trustworthy.

[@ranbummerz729]

The thing is, people are actually prescribed weed and it's not just for things like chemotherapy or IBS, it's for anxiety. You can legally take weed as a prescription specifically to treat anxiety and autism. He disparages his chat for using weed daily bc they 're too autistic and anxiety-ridden to handle life or whatever in his mind, but this is actually a state-recognized, legitimate use of the drug. I'm referring to PA btw since marijuana is illegal w/o prescription (though prescriptions are fairly easy to get if you know the right avenue)

[@Shagnazty-nn1ub]

Like every habitual drug user with a complex about it, Vaush magically omits his own drug use from the judgement.

[@nadjabzhilyanskaya626]

I need weed to sleep. If I don’t smoke I don’t sleep and thus am not a functioning person

[@mrheisenberg83]

Those symptoms go away after two weeks, tops. You would also start dreaming again.

[@ToaastyKoyote]

@@mrheisenberg83 Insomnia isn't caused only by weed. Dumb take my dood!

[@mrheisenberg83]

@@ToaastyKoyote Tell me you don't know any hardcore stoners without telling me you don't know any hardcore stoners. If a dude says "I need X amount of weed before I can go to sleep" and I say "That goes away after a few days" it will fit most cases. And before you go off, nobody EVER said that weed is the only source for insomnia. That that is your takeaway is between you and your teachers. Context is king.

[@myteethareshiny]

I love Vaush, but this was one of his worst takes. I agree with him 99% of the time. This was part of the 1% and a pretty big oof.

[@lochnessamonster1912]

The best part is that his content was better three years ago when he was on weed.

[@ishq963]

True though

[@malditobandito98]

i miss his debates literally saying (While High) 😂😂

[@elfbreath]

This is the most NIMBY I've ever heard Vaush sound, and that's saying something.

[@n0etic_f0x]

Yeah he is one of the most Calfornia boys ever to Calfornia.

[@JeremyCioppa]

Yeah he only cares about keeping vagrants out of Beverly hills so his property value increases.

[@feistygheisty]

It's been years at this point since I was a Vaush watcher (or drug user) and that statement at the beginning that he doesn't trust drug users is genuinely insulting that he calls himself a leftist. Incredibly elitist.

[@cheesezee86]

Left = drugs?

[@matthewhorrigan5848]

Yeah, he calls himself one. He's clearly not.

[@Shagnazty-nn1ub]

@@matthewhorrigan5848 I'd argue he's one when it comes to general policy. ...But hot damn when it comes to his personal dislikes the dude sure gets relatively puritan and obstinate.

[@n0etic_f0x]

Yeah, this is just a 0/10 take. I wonder what he means by habitual but I mean I can get high or I can be depressed because Adderall does not work for me. This has the perfect thumbnail Vaush is in fact the DARE Lion. I really do not see how my drug use is different than a prescription.

[@westonnartey5129]

Spot on with how his take is almost exclusively spouted by people who've had it extremely easy in life.

[@yert5035]

...you have no way of knowing that.... why be evil?

[@snortobortoowo5420]

​@@yert5035pff sure champ.

[@yert5035]

@@snortobortoowo5420 yep you are evil scum.

[@lucascarroll4859]

​@@yert5035what is evil about saying that? Vaush himself has admitted to having a pretty easy and privledged life.

[@yert5035]

@@lucascarroll4859 ..... reread the comment I was replying to. he wasn't simply just talking about vaush but also anyone that agrees with vaush. also privilege is not an argument against the points. people call him privileged for simply being born in cali..... he didn't get significant privilege till he became a streamer. high cost of living and the cars seem to have an even greater stranglehold over society in cali. simply being born there means nothing. its evil because it's disingenuous. no one actually engages with what vaush says. prime example is the weed controversy. the context for this spams several streams. in one stream potheads in chat were arguing in favor of letting a crack head do crack on the subway where other people can breath that shit in. this is untrustworthy. potheads in chat also freak the fuck out anytime addiction is brought up especially if the concept of weed addiction come up. they act like weed is perfectly healthy. this is untrustworthy. vaush's comment of untrustworthiness was a general statement. people incorrectly act like general statements are statements on the all. if your drug consumption doesn't make you untrustworthy then vaush simply wasn't talking about you. vaush's position is that people should just be chads about it, know the harms and choose to keep using if you wish. btw I smoke every day and did shrooms recently.

[@jannecapelle_art]

god i cant stand vaush. he always has such a vibe of superiority and snobbishness which is so grating, and then i also remember him being really misogynistic for the fun of it, which.....ugh it makes me cringe.

[@Gamergirl43v3r]

41:12 "meanwhile, Ya boy! Has the right takes on everything." Who does this guy think he is, vaush?

[@ActualJake]

Correct about everything, don't look it up!

[@kylemumford]

I don’t think you have to defend Vaush over Keffals or anything. They can all suck in their own special ways. And they suck because they’re taking potential viewers from people who have better analyses.

[@Nulldron]

It's honestly amazing seeing a few implying this is a semantics issue.

[@seand.g423]

Ah, yes... the classic result of Vaush cut with Dillahunty...

[@zangalus2005]

Getting drunk and high for the first time was the best thing that ever happened to me when I was trying to learn how to draw and made me make way more progress.

[@FrozEnbyWolf150]

I'm glad it worked out for you. I'm different, in that I find certain medications interfere too much with my creativity and ability to think. I have found it's easier to write stream of consciousness and think outside the box when I'm heavily sleep deprived, but these are not ideal conditions for me.

[@ah-sh9dw]

@@FrozEnbyWolf150 insomnia is the best drug

[@flamingogh_]

When I got high for the first time, i drew and just... enjoyed it. It was scary because I was like 'woah I can draw a lot more and easier with weed.' And it made me want to be high more often. Even now, i work at a place where I have to be sober and I find myself missing weed a lot and i didn't smoke it much. So... be careful. But! Don't worry too much. If it's safe for you to smoke (legal, mainly, or at least safely obtained) then go for it. Just flex your sober drawing muscles from time to time, too.

[@jaytee9]

CIA confirmed. Who else would be so anti-weed?

[@prageruwu69]

can't tell if you're memeing 💀

[@JeremyCioppa]

He's not anti-weed, he's anti chemical dependency.

[@justiceleague3000]

People (like me) whose quality of life and property values have declined sharply because loud, scuzzy drug dealers moved in next door. Plus I think it smells disgusting.

[@jaytee9]

@@justiceleague3000 poor fella.

[@holstatt6896]

​@@justiceleague3000they sound like working class heroes for helping create affordable housing.

[@kropotkinnie]

As a Vaushite sometimes Voosh comes off as the biggest dumb on wildly specific topics. His takes on guns always bother me even as someone who's not anti-gun. It's weird to demonize stoners but not have that level of reaction to alcoholism. Personally, I have to say I've only really had bad experience with pot in terms of my friends using it; watching them have memory loss, not being able to have deep convos or connections w them because they're too high to do much of anything, and having to babysit them and keep them out of trouble has been pretty constant with my friends who developed addictions to the stuff. A lot of my friends who started off smoking pot *did* end up forming addictions to much more dangerous drugs, and a lot of them really fucked themselves up in ways that also affected me. HOWEVER. I drink. Not crazy often, and pretty responsibly, definitely not addicted. But I still drink. I literally know so many people whose parents were alcoholics and did the EXACT same shit that my pothead friends did, some even worse. I know people who are addicted to alcohol and handle the addiction shockingly well. I know people who are addicted to alcohol and destroy their lives and the lives around them with it. It's almost like there may be slightly different outcomes in how the brain changes from each drug, but alcohol is literally no better than weed. I had a caffiene addiction a few years back. People think that sounds funny, until they learn what that ACTUALLY MEANS. I was a Starbucks barista and to get through a day without feeling like I'd pass out or be ill, I had to drink about 8 to 10 cups of our coffee a day. We're talking about 12-14 espresso shots here. A day. I was a shaking mess, could barely think straight (to a degree where I got SUPER paranoid often), and was way more prone to anger outbursts and erratic behavior. Anyone who thinks caffeine isn't a drug doesn't realize that their morning cup of joe is the same fuckin' thing as someone using any other stimulant responsibly. I was having breathing and heart issues from how much I had to drink to keep myself from passing out or getting sick, and it took two years to slowly get myself off of it. I still have to have a coffee a day or I feel super sluggish and ill. I use ritalin for my ADHD and it's literally been far safer than caffiene ever was. Drugs in small amounts, as evidenced by coffee or a fuckin' glass of wine, aren't gonna fuck a person up. Someone being dependent on a drug doesn't make them untrustworthy, either; yeah, it often Does make a person less responsible because if you get super addicted you start sacrificing other things for the drugs. But like... someone just using drugs??? Why would I not trust my friend who smokes weed like every couple days???? Tho footnote as an autistic adhd ocd haver I will say I *do* use the r word lmao, both affectionately and not. Personally I don't really like having a term similar in origin to dumb or lame connected to autism/adhd at all, and would much rather it be thought of as just another synonym for stupid. I get people who don't feel the same about that and do view it as a slur, but on a personal level, I've faced a ton of discrimination and ableism against my disorders that really hurt, but admittedly have never found myself being called a retard in reference to said disorders. I've honestly never heard it get used as a targeted word the same way the f slur and n slur are. Again, entirely just me, but as a queer person who uses the f slur endearingly with friends who also do because I DO like reclaiming it, I definitely don't feel the same weight in 'retard' as I do the f slur; a stranger calling me the r word feels like someone calling me idiot in a harsher tone, but a stranger calling me the f slur feels like a very targeted attack meant specifically to point out my queerness. The r word honestly affects me the same way any other intelligence-insulting word does, and to be so real I've had FAR more ableist interactions frequently with people who call me an idiot or stupid for something they didn't realize was related to my 'tism. I do kinda think if we wanted to make the r word a slur we'd have to also look at lame, idiot, stupid, etc. and their histories too, and I guess to me I just don't quite see the point in not letting the term just become yet another word for stupid when the majority of the population don't even Know about its origins and certainly don't associate it with a mental illness.

[@godocs11]

I feel like this is engagement bait on Vaush's part. I generally agree with Vaush on a lot of topics so it may be me searching for excuses but I think his use of the r-slur and his drug takes are examples of him intentionally being controversial to get people to engage. It's shitty and lazy but i just can't be bothered to care. I'm not going to base someone's trustworthiness on whether or not they have an addiction.

[@siah2930]

idek if it's intentional for engagement, I think he's just a contrarian that likes having hot takes

[@Andysavage24]

​@@siah2930 Kind of empty life. I can't imagine my entire existence just being a contrarian. Exhausting.

[@flamingogh_]

I like vaush, I like Jake. Ironically when I watched the vaush video I thought of Jake and this audience because of how much better Jake's takes are on drugs. Vaush's opinion is... dare I say... pretentious? Or intentionally obtuse.

[@Andysavage24]

I mean, when isn't he pretentious?

[@BernicePanders]

I (& several ppl in my family) will swear that my mom's cigarette addiction makes her VASTLY more manipulative, gaslighting & guilt-tripping ppl (including her terminally ill daughter) into getting her cigs fix with our grocery money. I've been on medical cannabis for 15 years & never once have manipulated anyone into lending me money for MMJ! I'm also the most financially responsible one in 4 generations of my family...

[@yert5035]

Then vaush wasn't talking about you....

[@autobotstarscream765]

​@@yert5035Was Vaush talking about her mom?

[@yert5035]

@@autobotstarscream765 yes

[@BubbaBiscuit]

Also the habitual user that isn't a hard-core addict isn't going to let most people know about their drug use because of this kind of prejudice.

[@hichaelhighers]

Critical is the short moment where a chatter asks him "how's the Adderall shortage" and he is saying "rough as always". He literally needs an amphetamine to function but shits on people who need to smoke weed before doing something.

[@blakemeads9225]

This is a pattern of behavior with Vaush (a big reason why I became disillusioned with him and his community):He makes an absurd statement, the chat calls him out for being absurd, and he verbally abuses them for not kissing his ass.

[@flunkiebubs2002]

I'm a fellow Michigan country boy, weed has always been omnipresent out here.

[@Andysavage24]

I love your state's quality of weed and its prices!

[@mecha5409]

I love the way Jake responds to things. He’ll give credit where it’s due but he also has this calm politeness as he systematically breaks down why something someone said was wrong. It’s incredibly effective rhetorically imo

[@BenjaminGlatt]

I fully disagree with Vaush. I use marijuana on the daily to deal with nausea and improve my appetite, but I think I'm pretty trustworthy.

[@ometta7]

But can you be trusted to have an appetite without marijuana? No? Boom! Untrustworthy! Vaush wins! /s

[@NateMcBrady]

I have this suspicion that we’re only a year or so away from Ian being the next “I was on the left but they’re so crazy now”

[@ronturner3598]

before or after the zoophilia scandal?

[@HardGasGoFast]

What scandal?​@@ronturner3598

[@prageruwu69]

sure buddy

[@Kataquan]

​@@ronturner3598"zoophillia scandal" 😂

[@elizelruiz494]

He wants to BE the horse, not fuck the horse.

[@LaylaSpellwind]

Speaking as a somewhat semi-recovering alcoholic. It can make you untrustworthy to some people, based no their feelings about it.... But it doesn't make you inherrently untrustworthy. Vaush does this really annoying thing of getting mad when his chat disagrees with his opinion. He does this very often. And he's very set on his opinions. Like with his video game takes. Sometimes he's just very forceful about them, releases multiple videos telling you a game is objectively bad... And it's like... Vaush, this is "in your opinion". Learn that people have different opinions and learn to be chill about it. I love Vaush, but sometimes he's really difficult to watch.

[@theressomelovelyfilthdownh4329]

That's what happens when people have huge ego's. The same way, a narcissist will always find a way to blame their partner for the abuse they dish out. "You made me do it". Nothing is ever their fault, and they are always right about everything, based purely on the fact it was them saying, or doing it.

[@UpsideDown853]

This is hilarious! Hearing a Beverly Hills boys scout who is on prescription categorize habitual drug users as untrustworthy has got to be the most ironic example of classism.

[@ishq963]

Vaush is not the leftist I used to think he is, he seems more like an average liberal as time passes. Got tired of his slurs. Last thing to annoy me was him being anti Yemeni. Now have entirely unfollowed him and unsubscribed. This video is reinforcing that choice. Drug war propaganda is full blown right wing content, not even shitlib content but full on rightwing.

[@nachomanrandysandwich4330]

Anti Yemeni is when you're not cool with islamists launching missiles at civilian trade vessels.

[@woobiefuntime]

People like you prove conservatives right.

[@ishq963]

@@woobiefuntimeright about what ? Say it out loud.

[@nathanielchieffallo4273]

​@@woobiefuntimepeople like you prove mao right

[@woobiefuntime]

@@ishq963 That leftist are bad when it comes to foreign policy.

[@aaronblygh4719]

I really don't understand how anyone can take Voosh seriously. The man's ridiculous, and doesn’t know anything despite making his living spouting opinions.

[@Mangacide]

It sounds like the learned mentality of drug use = drug addict. Also doesn't this mean he's outright saying he doesn't trust Xanderhal because he smokes weed? Like does he not realize this lumps in people he is supposedly friends with? Not to mention people who smoke weed because they have cancer and it's the only thing that helps their appetite. Why is he flying into a rage at the mildest pushback?

[@ToaOfFusion]

Isn't alcohol often describe as a "liquor of truth" in some cultures? Honestly, I think drug users would be a bit more trustworthy than average because their brains have been dulled out enough to actively or passively lie compared to being sober.

[@will31415nine]

Yeah I'm a huge vaush fan, yes this take sucks. I can love 99% of someone's takes while not agreeing with the 1%. Specifically the "habitual drug users are either a drug addict or addicted to escapism" is so stupid lol

[@yert5035]

he never said anything in regards to all pot heads.....potheads in chat were arguing in favor of doing crack on the subway where other people cam breath that shit in. this is untrustworthy.

[@Pervatory]

Love Vaush but this was an uncharacteristically reactionary take from him. Don’t understand his animus toward stoners at all.

[@xXixsfasx]

I’ve been in and out of rehab centers and live in a halfway house (I’m there for mental health reasons not addiction) and addicts are definitely untrustworthy. Their addiction makes them very narcissistic and they will fuck you over in a second if they can get their hands on their DOC again, especially if they’re not taking their treatment seriously. But Vaush is talking about habitual drug users, not addicts who are at their rock bottom like the ones I live with. He comes off as such a privileged person in this

[@Whightknight16]

He alao said Dogwhistles are fake and olny dumb people think they're real. That most people dont use dogwhistles as a sign to others as support

[@fatshibaballs]

Source? This is not true at all. he understands the danger of dogwhistles very much.

[@Whightknight16]

@@fatshibaballs stream he did last week talking about the Infestation 88 game

[@cheesezee86]

​@@Whightknight16 bro that's a weak citation

[@sigmascrub]

No, he said that calling out dogwhistles makes you look dumb. It's not that people don't use dogwhistles to signal to each other, it's that the dogwhistles themselves are common phrases and gestures that _can_ be used as a dogwhistle. I still use the okay sign and I'm not a white supremacist. And it could very well be that two white supremacists are signaling to each other, but you still look like an idiot getting mad over an okay sign.

[@eliduncan4630]

His take was much more nuanced than that

[@Mikae1300]

Regular Vaush viewer here.... He has good politics, but his drug takes are awful, lol. His food and music takes are bad too.

[@lochnessamonster1912]

What politics? He’s another run of the mill react streamer now. If I wanted that as political representation then I’d watch the more popular one, Hasan.

[@gothpotato]

​@@lochnessamonster1912 so the same as like actual jake then ?

[@duko3000]

Why does anyone take Vaush seriously anymore

[@proudsaiyanprince2651]

Why did anyone in the first place? Lol

[@Kataquan]

I know right? He came to my house and fucked my horse. I cant stand that guy ever since

[@Mikae1300]

He has really good politics. That's about it, lol.

[@bb-3653]

Well he definitely does have his good and bad takes. Especially as it pertains to gender. No online content creators like vaush is always gonna be correct, even destiny Etc.

[@deadlynn7774]

I’m not sure why the guy that admitted to sexually harassing someone even has a platform at all

[@PlatinumAltaria]

1) Drug users are victims of the system, not criminals. They need help, not more abuse. 2) If you're fine with people getting drunk at a bar, and upset about people smoking weed on their own porch at 3pm, you're just a hypocrite. 3) Alcohol, caffeine and tobacco are all legal and are significantly more harmful than cannabis. Not that cannabis is good for you, but come on.

[@yert5035]

1. Vaush agrees. Vaush telling drug users to question their use is not abuse. The fact y'all are escalating what vaush said to this degree is really proving him right. 2. he isn't upset people are smoking.... He is simply saying drugs have harms because pot heads in chat act like there are no harms to weed. 3. Vaush agrees. He wants people to admit the harms be a chad and keep using if they choose and to stop being annoying in his chat. Why can't you people actually just listen to what he said? It spans 3 streams. Your the ones that decided to attack him do your due diligence and watch the streams where he mention drugs. In one stream potheads in chat were arguing in favor of letting a crack head do crack on the subway where other people can breath that shit in. This is untrustworthy. Pot heads in chat also act like weed is perfectly healthy. This is untrustworthy. Vaushs statements were general statements. General statements are not statements on the all. Btw I smoke weed everyday. Did shrooms recently and gonna do more soon. "drug time" a phrase made by drug users to describe habitual users that have unreliable timing....

[@PlatinumAltaria]

@@yert5035 I don't have any interest in Vaush, he's a pseudointellectual dweeb and a massive hypocrite who mindlessly replicates classist nonsense because he refuses to challenge any of his biases. I have never touched any addictive substance, not even coffee. Vaush is being a weirdo in this clip. Defending the beard man on the internet will not get you laid.

[@theressomelovelyfilthdownh4329]

Vaush's takes here are every bit as stupid as somebody who went through a bad break up / divorce, claiming all women are evil, and not to be trusted. He also comes off as incredibly arrogant, telling his fans they should blindly agree with him because he taught them how to think correctly. FFS, dude thinks he has the right to tell people how they should dress, and look where that got him...

[@C89]

I'll fully admit I used to watch Vaush years ago and ever since I stopped, I barely hear a peep about him. He may have X million subscribers but in the offline world, basically no one knows who he is. His opinions quite literally bounce around on the internet and never make it out of that bubble. The same goes for the majority of these debate bro types: they're irrelevant.

[@yert5035]

And you are?

[@SirAxelGrimnir703]

Vaush will go on insane rants about people using marijuana being untrustworthy but he takes so much caffeine it scares me for his own health considering how much he talks about his poor sleep.

[@SirAxelGrimnir703]

It also hurts because I use marijuana in the morning after I get home from work and I'm responsible about whether I know I'm doing something later that day. I work nights.

[@RarityArchive]

I watch vaush all the time and have been around people who were untrustworthy and addicted but this definitely is his worst take and i agree with everything you said here

[@jurassicsmackdown6359]

This is why i only listen to Voosh when it comes to things like gender identity or other objective things. His media takes are godawful. I swear he'll say a good game is bad out of spite, like he's trying to be quirky. It reminds me of penguinz0/Charlie If it's an opinion where he has to think all on his own, he generally seems to have bad takes.

[@nerdsoftheherd69]

As a vaush fan and a stoner I hate Vaushes drug use takes. It’s a little frustrating cause he’s intelligent and does work with actual politicians. He has some of the most headass takes I’ve ever heard when it comes to weed. I got 3 friends who are all stoners and they all got kids around this year and they bust their asses. I’ve never been able to trust anyone more in my life. Does Vaush trust Keffals less do to old drug issues? Like he shouldn’t treat anyone the way that he’s talking about because it’s straight up a result of classism and racism. The only “points” he ever uses are right wing talking points which is so weird

[@jakitron890]

Vowsh's drug take is fine

[@misseddetail]

so I have somehow avoided his content almost entirely until now. This is a pretty horrible first impression, someone with a platform this big should be responsible enough to not spread this kind of bullshit.

[@scottbuck1572]

Vaush: "Im a combative asshole" Also Vaush; "Why does everyone disagree with me?!??!?!!!?!"

[@bobar57]

Vo0o0ush fell off long ago. Now he's all about fashion and guns.

[@lochnessamonster1912]

The guns are especially funny. He’d take his money and run for the Canadian border the second shtt breaks out in this country.

[@CarsoDeck]

The only thing i was more untrustworthy about when i was using drugs all the time was my drug use, and thats only if i was talking to someone who didnt want me using drugs. Vaush dumb on this topic

[@theressomelovelyfilthdownh4329]

Did his stoner friend steal the last slice of pizza, or something? Been smoking for 32yrs, and I can tell you right now drink did more harm to my mental health, and relationships. What about people who have a cannabis prescription? Are they to be totally ignored, just because they smoke cannabis? It's a feisty take, for a guy with folders full of loli bestiality... Just saying.

[@VideoCommentsAndMore]

Remember when Vaush called everyone drug addicts and then it turned out he was he was a attracted to children?

[@annie_b17]

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[@DrumWild]

The moralizing of drug addiction -- treating it as a moral failing or poor choice -- is how addicts end up dead. My sister died of drug addiction, because our society treats it as a moral failing or a poor decision, instead of what it really is... A CLINICAL ISSUE.

[@KrazyKaiser]

"drugs impede the function of your brain" Me, with ADHD: "MY BRAIN DOESN'T NEED HELP BEING IMPEDED!!! IT NEEDS THE OPPOSITE!!!!"

[@dawnknightx]

When he says "untrustworthy" he clarifies that he means in term of reliability and that the drug users he's referring to are people who are addicted to the substance. I don't think he said "it's because they're shitty people", it seems like he's saying as a consequence to their addiction they are less reliable people. If you are a chronic weed user but partake in a responsible manner and it doesn't interfere with your daily life to the point where you're harming yourself or others, then I don't think you'd fall into the people Vaush is talking about, since he specifies "people who are addicted or people who habitually use for the escapism." I feel like this is a semantic nitpick over this use of the word "untrustworthy" and then extrapolating a whole bunch of other meanings from it when he clearly means "I trust this person less."

[@Nulldron]

It's not semantic nitpicking when you're in a space where he claims he tries to make change

[@FrancisR420]

Dude I'm watching him say it and clarify and he is harping on habitual. He literally says "habitual use or addiction" You're the only one trying to argue semantics here "by untrustworthy he means he trusts them less" Oh wow thank you for clarifying, This was all a big misunderstanding.

[@edwinrollins142]

Not even addicts or people who use for escapism are necessarily untrustworthy or even necessarily unreliable

[@kasstroi]

We have very different experiences on THC. You say you are hardly impaired by it. It's still illegal where I am and I've only had it a couple of times. In my case, no one would have had to worry about me driving while high because I was too impaired to stand up from the couch or remember how make car go.

[@MizzBellaKitty]

Ya know, I've noticed that in places where it's not legal, the high hits you harder than in places where it is fully legal.

[@paulsmart4672]

The thing about Vaush The Debate Guy is he's usually pretty good and knowledgable about a lot of stuff where he's just coming at it in lecture mode, but as soon as he's having an open conversation where someone can and does challenge something he says off-the-cuff he's 50/50 odds on just disintigrating. I think the time he got so excited to call his opponent a Nazi that he got mixed up and started doing holocaust apologia is the peak. He's actually incredibly bad at debate, is what I'm saying.

[@duko3000]

I dated someone who was on safe supply (heroin) and that never affected my trust in them. Hell, I'd trust them over voosh

[@karrawr9538]

Vaush had a grain of truth in his argument in that some people get high all day ruining their ability to be productive, but then goes on to use language I've only heard used to describe actual heroin junkies

[@KodyMDennis]

It’s the smugness that really keeps him from being likable. And for someone who bangs on about optics and converting people as much as he does he makes it really hard to be make the left look good.

[@yert5035]

What's smug about saying weed is addictive????

[@KodyMDennis]

@@yert5035 Nothing, it’s how he says things without making concessions. And then gets all pissy when he gets any pushback.

[@yert5035]

@@KodyMDennis then what's smug? why would he make concessions? he is right. everyone chooses to misinterpret. the context for this btw is spread between 3 streams and everyone is clipping like 10 minutes.... its pretty smug how you assume he needs to make a concession yet no one can even address what he said.

[@screwintuna]

Mr. “I’m useless without coffee” Vaush

[@themeadman]

If vaush thinks weed is bad, he has a nasty surprise coming when he find out about sugar.

[@Gamingderpmonglers]

"I can handle myself drunk" Vaush is just a lying, revisionist weirdo. Anyone remember that one REALLY awkward debate/conversation he had to leave because he got too intoxicated? Kept apologizing and everything. What an arrogant, stereotying weirdo. Everyone else is "untrustworthy," but when Vaush does it it's suddenly okay because he has superhuman control over his inhibitions for some magical reason.