This is the Most UNDERRATED Rider in Pro Cycling | Vuelta a España 2022 Stage 8

[@xtrachrisb488]

Lantern's script quality and enthusiastic, animated reading of it is the reason this channel will keep growing

[@paulaus]

So refreshing after the Mogadon that is the GCN recap.

[@simonbailey2151]

Some of the best analysis not just in cycling but in any sport. Simply superb.

[@chrisko6439]

It's not only that, he obviously got some other skills as well. He managed to secure a deal with A.S.O., the organizers of the Tour de France, La Vuelta and many other big races. Kudos to him and A.S.O. for making this possible. If IOC or UCI was owning the rights for these races - we probably would have never seen any of this.

[@ianism3]

agreed! what's funny is my parents think LR is a super bland commentator who doesn't speak clearly, slurs his words and only cares about nerdy shit.... but for them cycling pretty much begins and ends with the grand tours, so they don't really know shit lmao

[@chrisko6439]

@@ianism3 I love LR's stuff, but your parents do have a point. We don't have to see it their way, but there's room in this world for their point of view. They want to follow cycling in a more superficial manner, and that's fine. Also, for listeners like me, who aren't native English speakers, it can be difficult at times to understand what LR is saying. Yesterday, I couldn't make out if he was saying "full vile" or "for Vine" ;)

[@sharonmoller7414]

Vine is such a resilient character, to come back after last year's Vuelta where he missed out from winning a stage. He lets his legs do the talking, silence the doubters and show how hard he's been working to get to this level. Will someone please pay this man a respectable salary.

[@PolarRed]

I reckon he'll be fine!

[@Gardener7]

What is his salary? I can only find that he's in his first contract from 21-23. So I guess he will remain underpaid until 2024?

[@sharonmoller7414]

@@Gardener7 Vine gave an interview with Daniel Friebe for the Cycling Podcast. Vine said he’s on the UCI minimum salary but he’ll get a bonus for winning stages.

[@scooter2163]

@@sharonmoller7414 Well he DID talk about getting a Corvette after his first win in this Vuelta, so there is that.

[@MrGreensunray]

UAE please sign him

[@Decemberisabear]

Crazy having watched this dude win the zwift academy however many years ago- to winning stages in a grand tour. Huge.

[@thijsdewit2231]

Zwift Academy was just 2 years ago

[@millsymb1883]

only two years ago. makes it even crazier

[@imprezaaudi]

@@thijsdewit2231 I'm training on Zwift- I believe I have a shot, being only 58yrs old and 93kg 😁

[@brulsmurf]

Zwift isn't that old 😁

[@shannonparker7404]

@@imprezaaudi Ha! You and me both mate :-)

[@charlyncorgan1954]

I can't add to the spot on comments here, but thanks for always sharing your belief in Jay's abilities. It's been great to follow. Really enjoyed his win again today! Thanks, Patrick!

[@jarydanderson1400]

So proud of Vine, the peloton will learn to beware the wolf in the fog!

[@troycollett8540]

Can’t believe they just dragged him to the final climb and allowing him to recover in the wheels

[@japphan]

When Vine allegedly won in the fog (no witnesses) he rode the climb faster than Remco, who in turn crushed the GC favourites, except Mas. Underrated is an understatement.

[@de4ds1ghtcsgo94]

His TT tho 😢

[@ThisIsANameBruh]

Vine is great and all but he was deliberately given a 42 second gap. When evenepoel decided to attack he ate into the gap, pulling back 27 seconds on a shallow climb where vine had a massive advantage. So, yeah. He's great and all but let's not get ahead of ourselves. He's no GC climber. Yet.

[@ThisIsANameBruh]

@Dricce what do you mean "it doesn't matter"? How can it not matter if the others literally weren't riding hard for almost a whole minute?

[@de4ds1ghtcsgo94]

@@ThisIsANameBruh his TT isn't good enough

[@ThisIsANameBruh]

@@de4ds1ghtcsgo94 he weighs 73 kilos, he can get a decent TT if he tries

[@william6171]

5:12 How to differentiate between the two, when in same jersey (at the moment): Van wilder: white sunglasses frame Remgoat: green sunglasses frame

[@william6171]

Also Remco often goes no-gloves recently. Hirschi/pogacar style

[@saracen888]

Congrats to Jay Vine. Unreal riding this Vuelta. Canyon should be throwing bucks at him, what an advert for the new Ultimate

[@T59-j7k]

Jay such a humble guy. Doesn’t show out when he wins. Hope to see more of him in the future

[@danielandj6970]

Great work as always! I wish I had waited for this to be posted, the GCN highlights are really dire at the moment

[@smeetsnoud1]

Pedersen be acting like prime Sagan these days

[@gnnylme]

This is the most exciting way to win the points jersey

[@liamday453]

gotta be big favorite for worlds

[@joebearman620]

I’m hoping he wins his second worlds this year!

[@dragonagariohd7147]

@@joebearman620 He is not going

[@markdwelchforcongress4456]

@@liamday453 I think the guys on GCN said that he asked to be left off the World's Team.

[@jamie4293]

I mean he got 5th in the Sun Tour, and had good results the year previous. I think he's just on a steady rise of performance. Also, I mean there's got to be a learning curve, just to be able to get to the line everyday. He's for sure one of the very best climbers at this very moment. Outstanding. He's signed with Alpecian/Fenix next year. I'd be extending his contract as soon as this Vuelta is done. They seem to get big results everywhere and pick fantastic best bang for the buck riders. Great job Jay Vine! Thanks for great insight and exceptional content these last few years. Are you going to a couple of stages?

[@durianriders]

Took Big Tex 9 years as a pro rider before he could do Jay's 30min wkg power.

[@tonytwotoes4456]

I mean uh well aah I well just ...I mean

[@vincentkrause7097]

@@durianriders Back then there was no good trainings sience, No Zwift to train indoors

[@DanielHouston1406]

Next we’re going to find that LR is officially representing vine as his agent 😆

[@philipk4475]

The plot thickens

[@peertje3078]

Wouldn’t surprise me! Also Padun and/or Kuss

[@smeetsnoud1]

I wouldn't want to be agent for a personal friend, but who knows.

[@pdwu2b]

Lanterne Rouge provides the most underrated summaries of cycling races.

[@Ealmasi]

5.6k views in less than 35 minutes of upload? You are on the up and up. As you should be young Patrick. As you should be.

[@BigBrownMonke]

Jay Vine a DIFFERENT BEAST!! Glad he’s doing great!

[@cedarcanoe]

Really a professional video, well done

[@laurencetilley9194]

Congratulations Jay on your second stage victory. 🇦🇺

[@laurencetilley9194]

@RealSweetKid best of luck in your endeavour to secure the king of the mountains title and the remainder of the tour. I am enjoying watching your performance.

[@pato20995]

Bold take after 2 straight mountain stage wins

[@jpolwhit]

"magic form" is the phrase of the day 😂😂

[@seanhannagans]

KZbin auto captioned you saying this race as "the wealth of Horace Spania". Happy days.

[@ericneubauer5345]

Amazing. His form is crazy great.

[@Tommienio]

Geogenhart is 5th in GC not Ayuso his result from this stage was added later for some reason

[@MDP1702]

Yeah, I think they somehow lost track of him, maybe a technical malfunction with his gear?

[@MangoJasssss]

Mega credit to Marc Soler, bouncing back after a miserable TDF

[@tonilauge5786]

Love that Mads P says it was a accident, He got in the breakaway! Well it remind Me what Peter Sagan could do in TDF 15-16-17 so maybe he should try again! Jay Vine must be obvious to VM on Home turf, dont understand Ewans Moaning its certainly not a VM for Sprinters, beware of Alaphilippe.

[@troycollett8540]

Well and truly announced himself this year… wow

[@jayjam9106]

Wow. Almost like he should be in the Australian team at the World chaps or something.

[@lukealsford7079]

Zwift academy showing how bad the Australian cycling pathway is.

[@troycollett8540]

How so?

[@gettysb19]

@@troycollett8540 probably referring to needing a zwift academy thing for him to even be found, and now he is winning stages at a grand tour and climbing at a world class level.

[@helvettefaensatan]

Remember that when TV covers multiple races, they do it with multiple people. This is great but don't wear yourself out.

[@pauljansen1137]

He won't be underestimated anymore😀

[@nl979]

His stock just went waaaay up.

[@st14]

Is Alex Bogna next?

[@durianriders]

@6:16 Vines Jugular vein static blood volume would be off the charts! Jugular vein distention is so overt you could probably calculate it based on the shadow angle its personifying. 6.6wkg with a poker face for 30 mins and perfect posture on the bike. Zero fatigue on the face. I want what he is having hehe. 2022 is the year of the JV performances. Jay' Jugular Vein' Vine Jumbo Visma Jonas Vinegarhard

[@TheCyclingCardio]

… from the GCCCC group !!!! Might be a future GC rider

[@timothymburton]

At 6:54 , I think there has to be at least a bike length between before any time gaps are recorded. That looks like maybe 1.5 from this angle, but that's probably why they didn't bother initiating the time gap.

[@AnttiBrax]

It's one second between consecutive finishers. As long as there's no gap longer than a second, everyone gets the same time as the first one in the group.

[@greatvedas]

1:38 "FDJ, hold by bidon" 😎

[@sambrown1779]

Great work. Thanks

[@painterQjensen]

The wats pr kilo from 4 people in this stage, is just nuts. Ty for the data mate.

[@ManWalksDogs]

With Vine on the rise it can only mean we're around four seasons away from the rise of Tijk van der Tokken, the next Dutch cycling fenomeen... :NL:

[@NoreenHoltzen]

Vine = Fog Wolf. Watch Vine carefully as Fog Wolf is seriously going places in 2024.

[@mmmbass6068]

Roglic is stalking Evenepoel like a lion, just waiting for the right time to go in for the kill

[@glennh8811]

He is literally not even close to remco

[@mmmbass6068]

@@glennh8811 that’s what the antelope said. Let’s wait and see.

[@matthillard9363]

I get that feeling too. He seems to be playing the I can barely keep up like carapaz did 2 tdf ago but he'll pounce tonight

[@jamiemackay2]

Keeping to the animal theme - elephant in the room today (so to speak) was that QS looked stronger than Jumbo. Rog was isolated most (all?) of he last climb. Such a contrast from first few stages.

[@mmmbass6068]

@@jamiemackay2 yeah it’s a pretty interesting Vuelta so far, plenty more intrigue yet. Helps to have some competition at top of GC

[@ethangodridge6833]

I wonder if he will leave for a bigger GC team in the future. Great performance from a great bloke.

[@troycollett8540]

I think alpecin will recruit climbers to help him

[@ethangodridge6833]

@@troycollett8540 It will be interesting to see how things develop.

[@SergioCristancho]

we need more Vine!!!

[@marcvandenbroecke331]

Nice surprising Vine but where was he in today's TT ???

[@tubbytoast2]

Vineny goes bestmode

[@user-hm5nn9pk8n]

This WAS a underrated rider untill thursday

[@l.d.t.6327]

I saw him in the break and almost automatically assumed he would win. I still wonder why he was bleeding time in the first days…? He could seriously be in gc contention!

[@troycollett8540]

He was resting the legs for the summit finishes

[@tcookiem]

Didn't want to be a threat to GC so he could ride away from that group without being chased

[@troycollett8540]

@@tcookiem well that group stuffed up and paced him to the climb where he torched them up the climb

[@l.d.t.6327]

@@tcookiem OK, but if you see his climbing tempo is on par (or almost on par) with the favourites, one has to wonder how far he could get in GC. Maybe for the next GT...

[@mikewilcox5284]

After he said 'I turned around and no one was there?!'

[@william6171]

Doesn't the gap at the finish between riders have to 3 seconds for the time to be different? Or is that only on sprint stages?

[@TheJosel96]

Only in sprint stages. Hilly/mountain stages is 1 second. :)

[@Medikto]

Well, the stage ruling is determined by the organizers. But remember it's back wheel to front wheel.

[@OfficialTomsSkujinsFanClub]

I’m starting a Mads Pedersen fan club

[@iminc5498]

I remember the last guy to take 2 back to back mountain stages in a world tour stage race 👀

[@krissostaric5065]

Not sure what you’re implying or if you are actually even watching? His stage wins weren’t back to back

[@iminc5498]

@@krissostaric5065 Back to back mountain stages. Not sure if you can read…

[@moored1979]

quickstep played it perfect, no need to go harder on the final climb ... their main goal is maintain lead in GC ... and they did it. Where to now for Jay Vine? Cant see him getting anymore easy rides like that ... is he a good TT rider?

[@louisschmitz8346]

Evenepoel was in front for whole End of the last climb and he still beat them in a mini sprint

[@endautrestermes]

Thanks !

[@Medikto]

Remember the gap is measured from the back wheel of first group to front wheel of second group.

[@rossmurray6849]

May he's just got a good poker face, but he looked like he had a lot left to give if anyone got close in the last few kilometers. The last 2.5km has a 10% average with pitches at 17%, and he rode them seated with a high cadence!

[@loganj7238]

Vine is on flying form. Quickstep will benefit from vine continuing to get into breaks since Vine in the break will threaten top 10, 5, and podium spots before he threatens Evenepoel. Letting Vine in the break will be a cheeky way of goading Jumbo, Ineos and Bora into pacing allowing Quickstep to save themselves for the climb. A break won't cooperate with Vine on the flats now, but Vine is fine with break getting caught since he can win from GC group and can call his companions bluff if they don't cooperate. If the cards align right and vine keeps his form a podium isn't out of the question.

[@mr.football6078]

Vine is the super domestique that Pogacar desperately needs to next tour. He, McNulty and majka would be a really strong team, capable to challenge jumbo and vingegaard

[@jimjimplus]

Strong disagree. He has the skill set to win many stages without going for GC. Trying to change that skill set to an domestique would be so wasteful and boring

[@peterdieleman303]

That's not what disagreeing means

[@rebeccabertrand3335]

Hold my beer-don, love it

[@l.v.3952]

Is he a/the favourite for tomorrow as well?

[@edmundjones1613]

why is Tao missing from the GC rankings at the end?

[@johnvanderveen2484]

Maybe RD gave Mas and Roglic that free second since he smoked a fan about 10m short of the line.

[@holgeronmalta1863]

So, will the next TdF be a battle between Pogacar, Evenepoel, Vingegaard, and Vine, or I am jumping the gun?

[@carmenandthedevil2804]

Watch out for Hindley.

[@markdwelchforcongress4456]

Maybe he could win a one week race before we put him on Mt Olympus.

[@adspritz]

you are jumping the gun. Vine is very far from the level of Pogacar, Roglic and Vingegaard. He won two stages from breakway in the vuelta, he still needs to demonstrate he can be there with the best for 3 weeks every day. And then there is the TT...

[@markdwelchforcongress4456]

@fensterfred In what world is Vine gonna make up 32 minutes to move into 7th. Put the kool-aid down, brother !

[@markdwelchforcongress4456]

@fensterfred So you are saying that Vine sgould go for GC at the TDF if X happens - AND then Y happens - And then Z happens. As my daddy used to say, IF a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass all day. BTW, the reason I was slow to respond is because I am coaching a developmental team and we are at a stage race this long weekend.

[@davehogan6401]

I'm the most underrated cycist outside of pro cycling

[@jamesd5241]

Magic form

[@happyfeet231259]

another one with his mask still on! , what a hero!!

[@philiplacey5430]

Jay Vine looked fresh as a daisy at the top.

[@Karr1711]

as a bora-fan i feel like you are neglecting your countryman hindley and give all your love to o'connor and vine. come on, there is enough love for all the aussies

[@LanterneRougeCycling]

O’Connor got no love today either, it’s more than I never had video rights for Italian races when hindley has done well. He should fly on Sierra Nevada

[@grey_fox7]

Hindley has been invisible this tour so far.

[@Karr1711]

@@grey_fox7 fair point. was half joking anyways. problem is i'm not funny :D

[@sergiodemichele6295]

There's no wobbling in his style, which reminds me of his origins of indoor cyclist

[@alexhoffman4302]

"Origins" lmao

[@sergiodemichele6295]

@@alexhoffman4302 sorry for my poor English, but please consider the concept and not the form 🙏

[@sharonmoller7414]

He didn’t originate indoors, he originated as a MTB rider, then joined Nero Continental road team, rode in various races in Australia, NZ and the Philippines. He won the Zwift Academy during the pandemic while outdoor races stopped and Australians couldn’t travel internationally.

[@pope406]

How can VIne be underrated as he is a pro riding for Alpecin-Fenix...? Nobody underestimates him.

[@jimjimplus]

I think most people wouldn’t have said before the final climb he’s the favorite to win the stage within the attackers, with the likes Pinot and Soler. People underestimate him in that sense

[@ivanstrle346]

Vine amd Remco. Best cyclists in Vuelta.

[@AnttiBrax]

Another tactical win for Roglic? What say the youtube dee esses?

[@vetoland92]

Agent LR gonna get Vine that bag 💰💰

[@thomasharteveld9614]

Hold my bidon

[@evanmacdougall9715]

Glad Vine was actually able to be seen while winning this time. Amazing form he's got. Hope to see him lose some more time so he can win some more stages and keep that KOM jersey. Now, if only the race TV producer could actually show shots of the KOM points from the moto in FRONT of the riders instead of the one in back. Who is making those camera selection decisions?

[@paulsolon6229]

Never heard of vine till a few days ago He’s bloomed

[@SergioCristancho]

1:02 unpluged Richie not a problem anymore hopefully he will end la vuelta ... o maybe we have see an abandon coming in 3. 2. ...

[@andrejassvab8093]

UAE team doesn't work for João Almeida? Strange.

[@timothyskattum950]

Love you man, but it’s one day…. I also love his riding, I mean Vine can go nuclear and rip everyone’s legs off, but can he do it day after day? I don’t know yet…

[@nickzaffino471]

Jay Vine world champs ‘22?

[@MichaelBoogerd]

"FDJ Hold My Bidon" :D

[@Fordworldrallyfan]

I always wondered just HOW the Ozzies EVER produce such great climbers. ??? I guess if anyone has the body type/'build' of a pure grimpeur, and they move to Europe, they can be developed into a Grand Tour climber?? I just have this mindset that those from down under are great road sprinters/TT specialists, and trackies, but not climbers (pure or otherwise). Anderson, Evans, and a few others through the ages being the rare exceptions.

[@dzidziolus]

Off the topic, the commentators in my country call Pouls Wout instead of Wouter - are they the same name? Something like Mike and Micheal?

[@smeetsnoud1]

Yes, I think he's called Wouter in his passport but everyone calls him Wout. I guess?

[@guido2490]

Yeah Wout is a shorter, more informal (nick)name for Wouter in Dutch

[@dzidziolus]

Thank you!!!!

[@st14]

Canyon Ultimate release it!!!

[@anthonyhomercycling]

Salary = new corvette

[@thomasbeasley3271]

Vine needs to go for GC in tdf

[@rossbroomfield5199]

His TT isn't great but potentially in the future if his form stays the same and he can get the tt setup dialed

[@kplarkin]

Yup

[@kidnamedfinger420]

UAE entered the chart

[@tonytwotoes4456]

You should also consider add Ayuso (19 yo) to this subject.

[@helvettefaensatan]

There is a rule that groups are only split after 3 seconds on mountain top finishes.

[@andrasszabo1570]

The rule is there have to be 1 full second between two riders to be given a different time. Even in this very stage there are less than 3 sec differences between riders. Eg. 27 HARPER Chris Jumbo-Visma 3:32 28 SÁNCHEZ Luis León Bahrain - Victorious ,, 29 PADUN Mark EF Education-EasyPost 3:34

[@helvettefaensatan]

This means that if there is a group in front of you that has intervals between each rider of less than three seconds, and you loose three seconds to the last of that group, everybody in front of you get the same time as the leader of their group and you get your own time when you cross the line. Let's say rider no 1 finishes first, rider no 2 who finishes one second after, gets same time. Rider no 3 finishes two seconds after leader, one second after previous rider, still in group, gets same time. This continues down to rider no 8 who finishes seven seconds after the leader, within three seconds of the rider in front, and gets the same time. You, however, finish four seconds after the previous rider no 8 and thereby you constitute a new group. You get your own finishing time, 11 seconds after the leader. The gap of more than three seconds cost you 11 seconds on everybody in the group ahead, including rider no 8, four seconds ahead of you. So what's to gain from this rule that looks like J.K. Rowling did math? No exhausted GC contenders sprinting and crashing atop mountains. You just have to stay within the group. The order only matters for bonus seconds if there are any. The only risk is if whoever is in front of you drops their wheel. Let's say you sit behind a domestique who stops pedaling at 150 m, they might make a split. Else, you are OK.

[@helvettefaensatan]

@@andrasszabo1570 I know that this sometimes happen. Timekeepers are of cause not commissaires. I refer to 2.3.040, I can't find a reference for the three seconds constituting a bunch that I was told my my usual timekeeper. Unusually he was also a commissaire so I trust his word to have been correct then. I have not donned a commissaires jacket since 2017, so it might have changed after that.

[@renefimbres3891]

Ineos need to sign Vine ASAP.

[@Carlos-qz7ul]

Hi, as I hear you pronouncing correctly "Angel" and "Jano", I'll give you the answer for your initial question if you're correctly pronouncing "Collau" : if fact, for every language and dialect spoken in Spain, every double LL will be pronounced as a Y if you like, in an initial position as in "Yonder" or in "You", more full, and not as in "bay", lighter. You don't say "PaeLa", but "PaeYa" ! Take care ! ❤

[@fariqazaha6321]

Vine won two MTFs but still nowhere in the GC top 10 standings. I wonder at which stage did he lost so much time?

[@markr6383]

He intentionally lost time in the early stages so he'd be allowed to go in breaks. He lost almost 10 minutes the day before his first stage win.

[@HeidiLandRover]

Stage 5 to Bilbao, he came in almost 10 minutes behind. This put him on 13:01 in GC.

[@krishendrix4924]

Underrated ... but got dropped mercilessly today :P Rrrrrremco is the better climber

[@KcarlMarXs]

I disagree, they should have continued to work together. The break getting swallowed by GC riders is heartbreaking every time

[@RudiDwiHartanto]

send more aussies and north american riders to wt.

[@raskolnikov1242]

Vine will end (fortunately or unfortunately for him) to UAE with an astronomical contract.

[@haroldestrellasantos904]

Correction. Vineland WAS underrated

[@account-yi2cn]

Fred Wright

[@milesrosen2223]

Is Roglic done?