THIS is the ONLY WAY you should start a MING WORLD CONQUEST in EU4!

EU4 Ming is traditionally a bit of a snooze-fest. But today, we're going to play a pacifist Ming! Not really - we're going to be focusing on the EU4 tributary and EU4 mandate of heaven features! If you have high enough mandate, and have passed enough reforms, you can convert tributaries into vassals and enjoy! We're going to be stacking modifiers to reduce diplomatic annexation cost to begin a MING WORLD CONQUEST!
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[@TheSocialStreamers]

THERE'S GOING TO BE A PART TWO! - kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3K7kqaGqryhnqc Spoilers: This mechanic is OP as hell.

[@shadowsinger4737]

Monke

[@tfk_lotr2394]

@@shadowsinger4737 Monke

[@thestrategistbrit]

hearing someone on yt pronounce the "kh" for Kham correctly is music to my ears, now for Khan, Khaan/Khagan and Khanate/Khaganate which almost no one ever says right

[@markpiper6382]

2:00 Correct me if I'm wrong, but the amount of mandate you get from each individual tributary scales up with how much total development said tributary has, and this is why you don't make OPM tributaries as Ming.

[@bert3241]

I watched part 2 by accident first, I was confused

[@andreashecht2942]

Laith Playing "tall" is more agressive than me trying to play wide lmao

[@theboogerbomb]

For me playing tall is conquering a little then doing nothing for 400 years

[@kanetsugu100]

Sameeee

[@whyops9862]

When I try playing tall it just ends with me having half the world as my vassals states.

[@aoki6332]

@@whyops9862 same the game become just to boring if you just do economic yeah your having fun the frist 50 years but once you got all building and dev done you have nothing to do

[@user-vu8ck7tq4v]

@@theboogerbomb i do that in stellaris

[@WhiteLama]

That 50 Admin event usually gives 1 Stability, but you were already at max stability!

[@jackbradley4737]

If u at max prestige also gives u a reason to pick admin

[@henryglennon3864]

So reading between the lines, Laith's upgraded from bin burning to breaking into cars and getting in fights? Maybe the next EUIV multiplayer collab will be Zlewikk and the Red Hawk staging an intervention.

[@maxkaufmann833]

This was a really nice video, in terms of change of pace but also in how you show us what you're doing. I've never touched Ming, it is a bit daunting to me, but now you've made me want to try it.

[@dragosdragon7515]

Only 2 points to whach whith Ming 1. If fighting oirat never have the king as general 2. 0 mandate is -50% modifier to army so try to advance after a war Appart from that Ming is a great bit of fun.

[@maxkaufmann833]

@@dragosdragon7515 Thank you my homie.

[@whyops9862]

@@maxkaufmann833 And always have 100 meritocracy before trying to harmonize any religions.

[@IHaveAStripeyHat]

Super excited for a part 2. Really interesting way to play Ming.

[@Mr.Bellafante]

This was great, looking forward to the next part.

[@ZarjkPC]

Was waiting for this after the Majapait vid.

[@stefanvisan2558]

I rarely play in the China region, but some time ago i started as a jurchen tribe into Qing. The amount of tributaries i got from picking the exploriation ideea (for the coloniser) is astounding. By the time i unified China for the achievement, i had around 70 tributaries. Ofc, if i cared, i could have gone for more, but it got boring.

[@euanstokes2828]

Did a similar thing as Japan once. Took confucian bureaucracy and formed a colonial empire in Indonesia Australia and America and made all the kingdoms met into Tributaries. Needless to say I was rich very quickly.

[@stefanvisan2558]

@@euanstokes2828 japan converting to chinese government ? Talk about cursed

[@euanstokes2828]

@@stefanvisan2558 nah Japan didn't convert China to Shinto, I as Japan converted to Confucianism, which gives me access to the tributary system

[@stefanvisan2558]

@@euanstokes2828 i get what you mean, but the ideea it self sounds cursed

[@Notmyname1593]

@@stefanvisan2558 Considering shinto borrowed a lot from confucianism, not that cursed.

[@ubershoplift112]

Loved watching this as I attempt to claim the Mandate of Heaven as Manchu, while also having +9.41 unrest

[@ApostleOfDarkness]

*CHINAWILLGROWLARGER*

[@xandyreoch8d874]

Lol, hilarious, Hejaz knows that soon Ming will surpass even Ulm!!!

[@oxjmanxo]

8:30 the 50 admin power is from you already being at +3 stability. I sometimes click it if I’m already at like 95 prestige.

[@kgapaneseschoolgirlb]

Can’t wait for the second part!

[@benjaminsoos2067]

Really fun idea and a great video!

[@GrafSchocola]

When he announced the video, I was sure he's gonna do a good old Ming into Tibet into Yuan but I'm excited where this is going xD

[@AlienTreeGuy]

Sorry Laith, they patched out Minghals. Not sure if it works, but I just looked over the Wiki and it SEEMS like you can form Aotearoa as Ming, but I don't know if that works. Might be a fun playthough tho ;P

[@JaddarJexiszuir]

I think there's an option to disable end-game tags, but it turns off achievements

[@goksir5845]

Minghals is still possible, but it's slightly more roundabout! Basically, conquer Kyrgyzstan or anywhere else with the appropriate mughal cultures as well as Delhi, pick exploration ideas, expel Kyrgyz people to Australia, then hand all your provinces to your colonial subject except your capital and releaseplay as them. This is not possible in the americas since none of the provinces directly connect to the old world by seatile border, but australia has direct seatile connections all the way up to china through the phillipines, sulawesi and papua.

[@sizanogreen9900]

Looking forward to part 2:)

[@tigrecito48]

24:50 why do you reform on 83 mandate when its better to reform on 100 go down 70 to 30.. then ur only below the 50 for a short period of time?

[@flyingcapybara8202]

Because hes an impatient masochist and we love it?

[@Fik0n]

Best video in a while! Hope to see you get France as a tributary

[@kevingabriel8642]

great vid, man!

[@captainrex1923]

Absolutely Fantastic! :D

[@biblicalbasher7908]

good vid. loved it lad

[@theone9832]

I can see it being a pain with 30 relation drop for annexation.

[@nickfinan6031]

Really good video, very funny concept

[@sufferingincorporatedtm1781]

imagine bringing all of asia as vassals against russia or the ottomans or someone in europe, it would be amazing

[@specil-k]

do a part two! :)

[@antorseax9492]

Watch the video

[@specil-k]

@@antorseax9492 yeah he said it's a possibility if the video does well so I'm liking it and leaving a comment to ensure that

[@antorseax9492]

@@specil-k SS leader Laith said that it was guaranteed to have a second part.

[@antorseax9492]

33:58

[@specil-k]

@@antorseax9492 Oh good :)

[@EmporerDragon]

I hope this reaches the point to where the pope and the HRE are made into tributaries.

[@pileofcheese5017]

diplo annex (DA) cost is also modified by admin eff (AEf), and all power costs (APC). Which means you can get another 10% if you get yourself to 100 inno, and another 10% from a golden age. The APC modifier is multiplicative with DA cost modifiers tho, so you get cost*(0.5 from DA)*(0.8 from APC) = 40% of cost, and not just cost*(0.3 from DA + APC) = 30% of cost. AEf is multiplicitive with that, again, so at 50% AEf, you cut those costs in half, again.

[@hashtagrex]

yknow laith, in my manchu playthrough i went with the "just outgrow the coalition" strategy...it ended up with a coalition that had over 4 million troops and 2 million reserve manpower as it was *the entire world* in a coalition including the biggest ottomans I've ever seen in my life and when I say entire world, I mean every nation that knew of my existence, minus some HRE OPMs and Britain (who was threatened for whatever reason and wanted to ally). This was in the early 1600s

[@rovalin6300]

Part two, yeeeeee

[@pedrotrianirodriguez3825]

Part 2 let's gooooo

[@TheKingDain]

Sparring you said? Rapier, foil, sabre, longsword? I myself do polehammer a lot.

[@dgcu-t96]

Ming is kinda misrepresented in EU4. The development of Ming should be doubled, and every country over 1000 development should be given a province debuff to simulate the inefficiency of big empires.

[@overlord3083]

Welcome to imperium universalis

[@stillcold]

999 dev: empire flourishing. 1000 dev: oh no I gained 1 more dev now I need to delete half my armies not to go bankrupt

[@PyroGhostX]

This is what governing capacity should have been

[@nukalegend]

That was Ming before it got a overhaul and the removal of westernizing lmao. The inward perfection debuff gave every province Ming 50% autonomy Edit: and that was before Ming was a endgame tag, Minguls is truly missed

[@dgcu-t96]

@@nukalegend Did Ming have 2000ish development before the mandate dlc?

[@ThatGuy53297]

Going expansion first and letting the disaster fire and keep choosing the “get 10 mandate and a rebel army” option. Get tributaries in the spice islands and Africa by getting neighbours through colonies and just fight weak people on land? Was this changed in a new patch?

[@kabobawsome]

So I've noticed a much faster editing style where you are cutting out even the slightest second dead of air. For constructive criticism, it makes the video feel really jumpy, way too fast paced, and really hard to keep track of. There were parts of the video I had to go back and rewatch at x0.9 speed to try and understand what's going on. Obviously, dead air is generally bad, but cutting out even the moderate natural breaks between words is just way way too zealous.

[@knightspearhead5718]

*pays money for a bunch of mandates* "How am i corrupt" :P

[@IronTiger22]

I had one good Ming game, before they updated tributary states. I used the Force Tributary CB as a way to take a bunch of land, I recreated the modern borders of China, colonized Taiwan, Australia, Indonesia, California, and Cascadia, and spent decades purposefully destabilizing Japan. It takes a lot of work to make Ming fun.

[@shadithakis]

Mandate time

[@efulmer8675]

8:35 If I'm already close to 100 prestige, I take the 50 admin power.

[@davidvarna]

What music do you use in the background of these videos?

[@TheManInRoomFive]

This is the way.

[@denissfedorkovs5946]

Laith actually loves playing tall while nobody is watching, he is just too embarrassed to admit it. It is like his guilty pleasure : )

[@realhawaii5o]

Really curious about what the rest of the world looks like.

[@DarthHippygaming]

Do well video. Do well.

[@victorthevictor1976]

What GUI mods are you using?

[@ThePikachuThing]

What UI mod are you using?

[@maxt5634]

Iconic

[@makiskanyt9269]

mughals + confusion = op

[@greed9541]

How did you select 2 diplo ideas in a row?

[@Gustav_Kuriga]

Mandate from tributaries is determined by development, not number of countries. So it's better to have one large one that isn't likely to get conquered because it got called into a war alongside a non-tributary ally.

[@yangcao3677]

Lmao the thumbnail is a Qing princess though😂

[@CoffeeSuccubus]

I just do colonial Ming and release it, playing as California tbh

[@goksir5845]

Minghals is still possible, but it's slightly more roundabout! Basically, conquer Kyrgyzstan or anywhere else with the appropriate mughal cultures as well as Delhi, pick exploration ideas, expel Kyrgyz people to Australia, then hand all your provinces to your colonial subject except your capital and releaseplay as them. This is not possible in the americas since none of the provinces directly connect to the old world by seatile border, but australia has direct seatile connections all the way up to china through the phillipines, sulawesi and papua.

[@calyn06]

You can get manpower from tributaries BTW laith

[@111tubefan]

T It's not wise of me to advise you at eu4, but, in a peace deal you can shift+left click the "money +" to get the maximum amount they are willing to give you.

[@riverrist]

I haven't played Ming since the last patch, but I think you should really pick a decree. Some of them are very good and it only cost you some "chinese legitimacy" (I forgot the name), which was at 100 almost all the time in your game.

[@imperiumromanom2576]

Mandate?

[@andrewgreenwood9068]

Meritocracy

[@jkg8108]

Almost 5k hours in this god-forsaken game and I just got shown 'Conform To Template' is a thing. How many late-game/MP game hours have I missed by doing it manually?! -20 prestige smh

[@Matso444]

I'm pretty sure the minghals was removed a while ago, probably they made ming an endgame tag or smth

[@minderbart1]

you can scroll the reforms?😮

[@tigrecito48]

you say TRIBUTARY a lot in this video!

[@Americano1175]

Average Ming game when i play in Southeast Asia

[@dbd978]

you had that many tribunaries that couldn't give powers but you didn'T ask soldiers from? my man, free man power next time you play!

[@DualTheEggist]

"Tall" Laith.

[@slanton7270]

How did you take two diplo ideas in a row

[@cryed0]

we all know that the best way to start a ming wc is by closing the game

[@Forstanoob]

250 manpower is better than 2 ducets from small tributaries

[@ReesHolt]

How are you taking two ideas back to back of the same power type. I swear if you open with a diplo idea you can’t then take another

[@arlondelfar1500]

You can set it in the game options before starting a campaign. It doesn't even affect achievements.

[@NON155]

HAVE YOU EVER PLAY THE TRIBE ON FAR TOP NEXT TO ALASKA DEAR SIR WITH ALL CAPS🧢 LOCK 🔒

[@johnnyboy3410]

rookie, we do it with Yuan

[@wyattburke1837]

Do well

[@royalhyena66]

P2!!!

[@11DNA11]

So what i got from this is... You're a Stool pigeon.

[@dark_fire_ice]

so tempted to click off 12 seconds in. so very, very tempted

[@gringlebandersnatch]

Ming's the big bad guy? Who the fuck is the good guy?....are....are the Mongols the good guys?

[@denisklemont2540]

First you burn bins and now you're snitching smh...

[@cantbearit5621]

[@casssaph2287]

glad to see the pop up text gone kinda not a fan of the facecam being scaled up and down though :( very distracting as well

[@nikolaitregouet]

Well, 50 admin power instead of 50 prestige is always funny as Florence, they have fucking 100 prestige effortlessly with +5 a year😄

[@ddobrevs]

This is basically what the ccp is doing

[@burnnotice6966]

huh?

[@andreassyvertsson2667]

Comment for the algoritm

[@Settinor]

:)

[@PyroGhostX]

How did you take two diplomatic ideas in a row…..

[@StalwartTirith]

I think you had a bug or something with editing. I'm only 50 seconds into the video and all of your sentences are getting cut off and the facecam keeps jumping in size. The constant cuts and changes is kind of headache inducing, so I think something might have gone wrong with the software or something lol.

[@grubygrzib6308]

Ming is the kind of nation that is fun to watch but extremely boring to play imo.

[@matis2964]

not first

[@assasindroid9128]

Minghals is dead unfortunately

[@TheLastEarthbender74]

second

[@emperordragon8378]

First

[@tissetrolden]

hell no

[@blogovitchxyz]

I want to watch but the editing and commentary is too disjointed.

[@tissetrolden]

first