This is Utterly Ridiculous!!!

[@Chodaboy65]

No one is telling Leslye Headland she can't be a fan. We're telling her she can't write for shit.

[@GeryonM]

This just shows who the real creative mind behind Russian Doll's success that Headland seems to be getting all the accolades for.

[@rightcheer5096]

She isn’t wasn’t and never will be a fan.

[@mawnkey]

When your "writing" makes fanfics look good (because at least they actually write out of love for the source material), you've truly cranked out absolute dogshit.

[@John-fk2ky]

@@mawnkey I’ve read some novel-quality fanfics, so don’t think “fanfic” necessarily means “poorly written”. To me, that actually makes it worse since stories written for free are objectively better than the show on which $180,000,000 was spent.

[@TheFourthWinchester]

She was the handler for weinstein. I don't know why she isn't in jail.

[@Dollar_Store_Cacodemon]

Wait so niche, weird, divisive, lesbian feminist fan-fic garbage wasn't popular?? 😱 Imagine my shock.

[@markup6394]

The world will never recover from this, the sun wont rise on the morrow... Oh wait, no, it will...

[@fcold9402]

It is NOT "all original" when they steal the name, costumes, settings, and (however loosely) themes of someone elses work. They dug up a body, put makeup on it, puppeted it around and said "see it's original". They are cultural theives. If you love something then you dont need to demand it be changed.

[@mhc706]

i call them “part of the skinwalker universe”

[@GeeTrieste]

That is such a good assessment of what happened. They are cultural thieves, and then the desecrate the thing they stole and try to tell you it was consistent with the original.

[@zxyatiywariii8]

Cultural vandalism, ugly and destructive. Like the pod people from Invasion of the Body Snatchers, they think the skin of something is all that matters, instead of the soul inside.

[@guilhermehank4938]

The ✡️ don't create, only steal

[@fuddthedestroyer4454]

Woke colonizers appropriating our nerd culture.

[@comentariopolitico1014]

These people act as if they purchased a famous and profitable steak house chain, show up wearing "Beef is Murder" t-shirts, change the menu to vegan, and now are complaining that all customers are gone and leaving 1/2 stars!

[@octaviovaladaoferreirinhad2689]

Ou como alguém que herdou um posto de gasolina e começou a anunciar que petróleo financia guerras, que gasolina polui, etc.

[@comentariopolitico1014]

@@octaviovaladaoferreirinhad2689 Boa analogia!

[@AtomicF0x]

lol that's a good way of putting it

[@toplookingdown971]

Two great analogues. Can't put it better myself.

[@Beaut2013]

They pandered to a minority, then were surprised only a minority watched.

[@dudemantoys2061]

They failed to realize just how small the minority actually was, their loud obnoxious voices make people think there are more of them than there actually are.

[@SharreIWright]

Very good point

[@-taz-]

I don't even think a minority watched it. If it got any views counted it's because someone turned it on and fell asleep.

[@dudemantoys2061]

@@-taz- Most of the views came from youtubers who had to watch it because it made them a lot of money talking about how brutal it was lol. I didn't hate watch the Acolyte on Disney+, I sure enjoyed watching all the youtubers rip it apart lol not because I'm evil and hate Star Wars, it's just nice watching people call out garbage, so hopefully they stop making garbage.

[@jamesneese7663]

Look at the pics of ppl who claim to like the Acolyte and matters become clear. It was never about good story, it was about "dunking on the chuds" and enjoying the "dudebros" get upset. Look at all the tiktoks of outraged "fans" of the show. None of them talk about Darth Plagerous. All of them are upset the chuds are winning

[@pemzenas]

They’re in full gaslighting mode.

[@MrGamman3yt]

Yes, govts doing it everywhere. Justin in canada, britian, etc.

[@Mopantsu]

@@MrGamman3yt it's a war of good vs evil. Evil does not know that it is evil and will do abhorrent things for 'the greater good'. Tyrants gonna tyrant and it appeals to the weak of mind without a moral compass. Fear, narcissism, selfishness, greed etc. All lead to cult like mob mentality. Weak men create suffering.

[@zoso1980]

The creative bubble culture in California (and Hollywood) live in mostly a DEI echo chamber. That's partially why Disney is the way it is with Lucasfilm. KK and her team are so isolated and unaccepting of any viewpoint that diminishes DEI they view it as unacceptable. They can't even accept honest criticism without putting labels on people, ala "toxic." This is really a problem when ideology so limits someone's (or a groups) ability to listen. This is Disney's fault though, they've historically marketed to girls and young women. That has evolved into girl power to now, the girl boss that can do no wrong. You end up with Headlend, Stenberg, Zegler types who will lecture you and insult you, since you don't fit into their ideological group. It's ideological arrogance. Worst of all, they'll look down on you. It's incredible ideological intolerance and it needs to be recognized for it what it is. Labeling criticism by anyone as incels who offer nothing to society is incredibly problematic. The Hollywood DEI culture is at the forefront of marginalizing dissenting views and showing what society looks like when create a class of people who feel they are above reproach. Feminist scholars look at this stuff and how traditional masculinity is being erased and told it's not good enough. Disney is now perceived as erasing history, marginalizing men and falling into the worst elements of the far smaller DEI culture. It's not going to be a good outcome for them. I have to laugh at Stenberg. Born into far more privilege and wealth than I will ever have, yet she parrots oppression and activist discourses like she's suffered. All that expensive private school stuff, I guess. She doesn't live in reality. And if you criticize her, she is above even listening to you. True elitism of the .001% trust fund baby.

[@albatross4920]

Where yhey ever not?

[@CleverGirlAAH]

The point is to INSTALL activists into positions that will block actual talent in favor of activism... and Censorship... period. Oh and to create a richer donor class for the Left, too.

[@jimluebke3869]

The "moral greys" of Star Wars don't live in the Jedi Temple, they live in the Outer Rim with the smugglers and bounty hunters.

[@cinemaunitestheworld]

Devon Eriksen nailed it when he pointed out how all of this crap is based around narcissism.

[@MichaelNNY]

Ive been saying this for a long time. Narcissists write, produce and act in these things. The result is inevitable.

[@chance_ondriezek99]

*Reminder:* Kathleen Kennedy fired Phil Lord and Chris Miller, but she let Leslyle Headland do whatever she wanted.

[@chasehedges6775]

Firing the creators of The Lego Movie(2014). Just baffling

[@phadrus]

She should fire herself. Disney is a Kamikaze pilot.

[@wesmcinerny4524]

Because Leslyle is a female with a woke mind.

[@RobotShlomo]

​@chasehedges6775 because they had no idea how to make an action movie and were trying to make a movie in the editing bay. I wrote the documentary about for Midnights Edge. Phil Lord and Chris Miller deserved to be fired.

[@SMacCuUladh]

@@RobotShlomo thank God KK knows how to make an action movie/tv show.

[@isaacpriestley]

The show valorized evil. That’s unacceptable

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

It was produced from an ideology that requires a twisted mind.

[@aleksander8497]

They Made the jedi(esp the male ones) weak and ineffective. Almost like they had an agenda....

[@brettloo7588]

good wording

[@dunedainmom]

YES. This about sums it up.

[@dsadik666]

It was an abomination

[@DaNinja60]

And to think that once belonged to the Star Wars Christmas Special. 😂

[@alexneff]

​@@DaNinja60 acolyte makes the Xmas show look better

[@StingrayGhost]

you're being too kind! lolol

[@chpsilva]

So, to summarize: even if I don't like what I see in a show I am forced to shut up and watch it and make sure to keep it alive so an entitled minority can spread their twisted view of world and keep calling me a bigot ? Yeah... no.

[@Prence]

The show was canceled! I was devastated! Devastated that it was even made. This show had no place in Star Wars!

[@InfamyOrDeath-__-]

It’s hard to believe she was given full control to make this show, I just can’t comprehend what’s going on at the tops of all these companies, how on earth are they all so detached from the audience?

[@Prence]

@@InfamyOrDeath-__- They don’t care.. For companies like Disney, they don’t care what their customers want, they will force feed them what the company wants them to have. Disney has been sitting at the top for so long that it forgot that you have to please your customers, not the other way round!

[@martinfiedler4317]

This show was real important for Disney Star Wars and its cancellation is a catastrophy. All the funny YT reviews S2 would have inspired are now gone. I hope, the creators will band together and sue Disney for lost profit!!!

[@dustinburkhart8526]

Agreed.

[@harrylarry6324]

⁠@@Prence Well, I actually do think Disney cares now. It’s extremely obvious for anyone with developed common sense that Disney is quite literally bleeding out with all these failed huge budget projects lately. They probably thought, through their severe disconnect from the audience, that people like woke shit, so they decided to make Star Wars woke, thinking it would save them, only for them to immediately pull back when they quickly realized that it wasn’t, and that it was only instead wasting them even more millions. Disney won’t stop being pieces of shit, but once the Snow White remake flops, there’s hope that they may actually make the final decision to make their products actually good again. Only time will tell, but by seeing how extremely good Alien Romulus was as well as on how successful Wolverine a Deadpool became, I’m pretty sure Disneys finally looking at the correct path again.

[@rsh8057]

Guess we will never get justice for Sol… killed by his adopted daughter, framed by his friend, sabotaged by a weasel…

[@jeffsmith5436]

And conned into ending his career by an incompetent gaslighting lesbian

[@freedomwriter1995]

They tell us to get over it whenever we complain about our shows getting canceled. Yet they do the same thing and we're supposed to drop everything to help them?!

[@keithpace9870]

Just like how many treat politics. I can verbally bash my hate of someone and insult that person's flawed character and act like I am justified in doing so, but when people are hating on someone in politics that I like, they are never in the right when they do it, only when I am doing that.

[@matthewronsson]

The 'revisionists' sect acts provocative before and during their woke production, then react far worse after their pet vanity project gets cancelled, projecting their toxicity on whomever disagrees with them, even when it is a clear or even vast majority.

[@johntumahab323]

The only people who ever say: "Why does it matter to you so much?" are people who got what they wanted.

[@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access]

@@johntumahab323 That sentence pisses me off SO MUCH. “Why do I care so much” COS IM A FAN YOU TOOLS. But you know that’s not why they’re asking, they’re asking cos they’re trying to make your passion seem cringe, cos they HAVE no passion I wish we could bunt people who say that into the sun

[@joshuacalkins]

@@johntumahab323Yes, or gaslighting, or just being a jerk. The implication is often a wildly off-base suggestion that the person has a particular ulterior motive. “Why don’t you want teddy bear S&M in the family parade? Why does it matter so much to you? I’m thinking there’s more to this, like maybe you yourself are a gay fetishist in the closet!” Way to go Columbo. That’s the only possible explanation…

[@Kevin_Street]

The phrase "toxic fandom" is a form of gatekeeping. Anyone who describes someone who doesn't agree with them as toxic, or unhealthy and bad for you, is trying to limit who has a legitimate voice.

[@Norvik_-ug3ge]

It is not gatekeeping because they are the new arrivals, the house was ours, is ours.

[@miguelsantos-cd9tu]

Does anyone notices how Leslye Headland was inspired by everything, but Star Wars when she wrote The Acolyte?

[@krazycp]

Yep. She’s a CW drama show person.

[@MumRah]

​@@krazycpnope. She's a fixer for a serial sexual assaulter

[@DaNinja60]

So inspired that she threw her wife into it. 😂

[@sigmacademy]

@@DaNinja60 The wife wasn't the worst part of the show, if we are gonna be honest. The leader (female dominant figure)'s performance was also quite passable, it's just a pity it was in such a bad show. If we had the Star Wars we ACTUALLY wanted being created at the moment, her performance would have been universally praised.

[@Matthew_Paul]

What those people are actually saying is: "keep losing money, Disney, to please our little echo chamber".

[@BryanMc977]

Trying to renew and justify it, is like trying to drive on a flat tire thinking it will get better. It won’t.

[@keithpace9870]

And yell at people who suggest to change their flat tire.

[@jeffsmith5436]

SCRREEEEEEEEE…that’s the sound of DEIsney driving on bare rims…the tires were gone long ago.

[@darrellcovello7917]

Dammit, that explains a lot. My wheel will thank you

[@ChristopherJWeeks]

Leslye Headland made a pretty penny for this trash, and now she and her ilk want us to feel sorry for her? It would take me the rest of my life to make what she did on this singular project and I get judged almost everyday for my work, and if I complained once, I would probably get fired or a stern talking to. I have no sympathy.

[@dsmyify]

You'd probably have soon explaining to do if you were the personal assistant to a monster.

[@MichaelNNY]

Especially since she will likely get another project to work on for more millions just to keep her and her ilk happy.

[@acemarvel1564]

Must be exhausting to defend crap like this

[@chasehedges6775]

The mental fortitude to do so….

[@FP194]

They are paid shills

[@MumRah]

My dog isn't super smart but she's tenacious AF and that's how she gets things that she wants. 😂

[@goufr3540]

No kidding there, some of the shills will go to every extent possible to make The Acolyte worth their time. It is what happens when you have no taste, no standards, no care about quality and just consoom product and get excited for next product.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@goufr3540 Exactly

[@anthonyd.1428]

Gaslighting only works against you when you have trust in the person gaslighting and you have no doubts about what you see or hear. The problem is nobody trusts them, nor do we have doubts about what it really is.

[@awesomehpt8938]

There’s always someone with bad taste

[@sigmacademy]

There's also always someone who will defend terrible media, and opposing them will ALWAYS be people rejecting terrible media, and it's not an issue of TOXICITY when it happens, but of PERSONAL TASTE, and what the criteria is that someone uses to measure whether a media product is viewable or not, which is completely subjective to each individual person and what they prioritize in their lives. There are also people who have no clue what is good or bad media, because they don't have the academic knowledge, technical experience or industry credentials to objectively measure anything, so their safest bet (in the current social climate) is to simply proclaim to "love everything" (which is a logical impossibility) because they hope such a strategy will avoid running into ANY resistance/drama/fallout in real life or online. And such statements are just as bad as the crowd who always proclaim current day thing is the best thing they've ever watched - like really? No single older piece of media has any kind of lasting value for you? Then there are also the people who WANT to say something interesting, but lack the ability to do so. In more than one instance, a filmmaker, director or writer has a decent idea but the worst possible execution of said idea, and sometimes that isn't completely on them either, but circumstances that led to that outcome. The failure of the project then leads to the idea being lost because people are so hyper focused on whether the delivery was perfect or not - you tend to see this with lower budget scifi films dealing with philosophical or psychological issues. Many movies simply get ignored because they are (a) not 100 million+ dollars, (b) don't feature any A-lister, (c) don't have "shiny keys jangling" effects going for it, (d) don't feature Shakespeare level performances, (e) don't feature the hottest guys or women in it, etc.

[@garretthberne3035]

It's like them taking a dump on a birthday cake and when you point out that the cake is ruined, they tell you that you're limiting cake decoration prospects.

[@fearthehoneybadger]

The ones who like it are activists, not fans.

[@chasehedges6775]

Yep.

[@chasehedges6775]

Definitely not for me as a casual GEORGE Lucas Star Wars fan

[@doubt2022]

activist don't like acolyte too, but they're required to say they do

[@Ryder_OMEGA]

Activities don't buy anything..... they can't even keep a job, let alone have money. All they do is cry and complain and don't take showers.

[@MumRah]

#Facts

[@owencahill2846]

I gritted my teeth through Solo, I clutch my armrest through the 7,8 and 9 but I haven’t watched anything else. They broke my heart and now they don’t get my money.

[@slicerneons3300]

There are finally hateful, bigoted comments and death threats to the cast and crew of a Disney Star Wars production. Not from the much maligned classic fans, but the modern audience Lucasfilm pondered so hard to. Ironic.

[@mawnkey]

Hey they drove up the value of that hateful behavior by looking for it everywhere. Supply had to catch up to the insane levels of demand at some point.

[@ABQSentinel]

Yep, those are definitely the tactics of the woke, "compassionate" left. Well, the Sun is quickly setting and their time is coming to an end. Not short enough, was their reign.

[@somercet1]

Xe could save others from hate mail, but not xirself.

[@Jayteaseepiirturi]

Who the fuck ever said anything about who can and can't be a fan?? Where the hell did that person get that??

[@All2Meme]

Because not loving The Acolyte is double-plus ungood, as far as they are concerned.

[@jeffsmith5436]

I’ll take Sanctimonious Gatekeeping Hubris for $180 million, Alex.

[@alexanderstross6505]

Why is it that anyone requiring thoughtful, intelligent, and canon correct entertainment is always labeled toxic?! Until 10 years ago, this is what most people made and wanted.

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

Because the underlying ideology of people like KK and Headland, hates the ideology that produced the OT. They want it degraded, destroyed, and twisted into what they believe. Evil cannot tollerate the existence of good.

[@Mopantsu]

Because it's the Marxists playbook. There are FOUR lights!

[@skylx0812]

Because the showrunner for the new Trek disaster made it plain and clear what he intended to use the IP for, a platform for Their ideals and social mandates. That was the game plan for all the franchises they took over. The woman from Disney's children's media said she deliberately "snuck" lgbt themes into their programing.

[@alexanderstross6505]

@@skylx0812 I know, you’re absolutely right. Thing is, if you truly wanted to put LGB themes occasionally into these IPs. There is a less preachy, pushy, and most importantly smarter and thoughtful way of doing it.

[@lordfuzzle9282]

oh thats because of the push to destroy the 4 olds or basicly the amercan version basicly there iconoclasts that think everything that came before is evil and needs to be destroyed

[@kettch777]

"Toxic fandom" isn't a problem. Toxic content creators and producers ARE. People have every right to decide what they will watch and what they won't. To chastise people for not liking something you created because they "should" like it is the height of arrogance, pride, and borders on the delusional. It goes beyond sanctimonious, we don't watch entertainment to be preached to about anything, including the cult of "diversity" that has grown up that treats any variation from its "tolerance" and DEI dogma like something to be met with auto da fe, ritual burning at the stake, and accusations of original sin. We are sick of both their ideology and their extremist zealotry in trying to force their views down everyone else's throats in every aspect of life. Surprise, surprise, Americans don't like morality tales that are badly written and contrary to their social norms and way of life. Who would have thunk it?

[@starmnsixty1209]

Well said!! 👍👍👍👍

[@jeffsmith5436]

Morality tale🤪🤪? WHAT morality?!

[@jamiebraswell5520]

Well said!❤

[@AkamoriArt]

We live in a reality where an entire race can be called racist for not watching a show where the lead actress said that making that race cry was the entire point of the show.

[@chasehedges6775]

The dark time-line, we’re in

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

The Kook Kunt Klan.

[@kurtpunchesthings2411]

people so out of touch they don't seem to understand that insulting the Core Demographic of star wars fans *Straight White Men is a very bad idea for success

[@dermagnus8482]

Maybe said race should use its Power already

[@Osprey850]

Stenberg never said that this show was meant to make white people cry. That quote is from an interview from over 5 years ago when she was promoting a movie about racial injustice.

[@SharreIWright]

I'm wondering where Disney is going to laundry their money next

[@SolidNeodark]

The choice to make Acolyte's cancellation public clearly meant to generate a fake "renew" campaign. Not even Rian Johnson's trilogy was explicitly cancelled.

[@ToeCutter0]

It's only speculation on my part, but it's informed by decisions Disney has made in the past regarding Lucasfilm. I'd speculate that the very public announcement regarding The Acolyte's cancelation came straight from Iger, as did the decision to remove all Acolyte merch from Disney's online store. If Disney go all the way and choose to take a tax write off on The Acolyte like they did with Willow, then it's no longer speculation, Iger is erasing The Acolyte.

[@SolidNeodark]

@@ToeCutter0 personally, I think KK had a fight with the moneyman and she lost. Then, she tried to start a media campaign against the cancellation in hopes that she could say "the fans" wanted it renewed and that not renewing it would be "giving in to the sexist trolls".

[@insensitive919]

Disney is the company that poisoned a man's wife at Disneyworld and now they are using his Disney+ TOS to shut down his

[@kelvaris1]

Considering the petition has a whopping 15k signatures, a very, very small group.

[@richardkev3077]

Each 30-minute episode cost twice as much as Godzilla Minus One. Why?

[@mustang607]

It’s the iron law of woke corruption.

[@AS-fu1kd]

Gotta clean the money somehow

[@mustang607]

The censorship is strong in KZbin.

[@Amazingsloth]

As soon as the Anakin-blew-up-the-death-star guy said there is no good or evil in Star Wars - it was obvious this was going to be a worthless dreg parading around in a star wars suit...

[@dontemorgan1517]

The same typical activists "fans" that never buy Disney's slop or support Disney's slop. If they were actually real Star Wars fans, they should know this show is God awful.

[@MumRah]

Even if it had nothing to do with SW or SW never existed it would still be terrible. But we'll never see anything like that because these people lack even a sliver of creativity.

[@jackdaone6469]

*slop

[@mphoramathe1801]

Hack-tavists, real activists aren't doing interviews and whining on twitter to stroke their egos

[@thedarkknight1971]

Lots of shows got cancelled due to low ratings, but I CAN name AT LEAST ONE that was VASTLY SUPERIOR to this sh!theap.... One of them being.... Firefly... 😏👍 😎🇬🇧

[@AscendantStoic]

"I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced" XD

[@DaNinja60]

I felt millions of voices rejoicing and crying out, "Cancellation"

[@weldsj8847]

I have one reason to be sad they canceled it. I didn't watch it. I felt no need. I very much enjoyed a ton of online criticism of it! Please Disney, give us more!!!

[@Darkwintre]

Now thats a lie. They haven't been hounding Star Wars cast off of social media that would be the media doing that not the fans!

[@sigmacademy]

Those article writers don't much care for facts (that is why you don't see them talking truthfully about who is being toxic - that would be friendly fire). They only care about the kind of talking points that supports their own POV, even if that straight up leads into telling pretty easily debunked lies.

[@sjmcc13]

I know of one case, the lady from the last Jedi, but only that one case.

[@Dantegrey1]

12-+15% of the population are woke to some degree. That cannot support expensive shows.

[@cavscout7113]

If you include the "go alongs" that figure at least doubles.

[@grabannon]

My god is it that high...🤡🌍🐑

[@seeerr5570]

What Ben doesn't understand is that his and his cohorts are the unwelcome voices, and the toxic aspect that needs to be ignored.

[@studmuffin1217]

Disney does act like a charity with these shows and movies....

[@dock9626]

Filipino. Diehard George Lucas OT fan. I never felt I wasn't represented or felt I didn't "see myself" on that screen. Why? Bc my self image isn't based on shallow things like appearance, or social practices. I saw myself in the UNIVERSAL themes of good/evil, and the heros journey. What these people skin color looked like, or what they did behind closed doors personally meant NOTHING to my connection to the art

[@thenecrophymm6591]

Your hypothetical scenario of only positive engagement would still lead to cancellation is exactly what happened to Firefly.

[@sigmacademy]

The thing with Firefly was that the network didn't actually know how to market Firefly (a space western variation). By the time people WOKE up to the fact about how enjoyable the series was, the network stopped the show, even when Firefly supporters ACTIVELY campaigned for letting the show continue. The compromise was a single movie, that STILL left a sizeable universe unexplored and its passionate fanbase mourning its loss.

[@jonbaxter2254]

I am so tired boss. We have stuff like Black Myth and Stellar Blade which sell well and clearly show what we all want. Then we cancel dogshit like Acolyte, and people blame us still? No reasoning with these chumps.

[@kettch777]

All they really will accept is everyone shutting up and doing as they're told, because only they know best! The rest of us moronic peons should just accept their wisdom and shut up.

[@Denien82]

Under the jedi robes, the acolyte was fifthy shades of grey meets twilight and people like to pretend it was some sort of high brow literature. It is the kind of slop a couple of wine moms write on a napkin while waiting for a One Direction concert to begin...

[@mymaskofshame]

I know a die hard star wars fan who said the Disney trilogy was amazing and even he said this show was trash.

[@Tomfoolery1972]

I really liked the Disney Trilogy too ✋️ and I loved TLJ

[@SMacCuUladh]

@@Tomfoolery1972 wow

[@PaulusAlone]

@@Tomfoolery1972- That’s good…Admitting you’ve got a problem is the first step…! 😸

[@Andrew30645]

It's always the same: "It's all your fault." They can't even imagine that the thing they are worshiping could have something wrong with it.

[@freedomwriter1995]

If anyone is loud in voice but small in number, it is the woke fans of "the acolyte" and not the true star wars fans.

[@CathrineMacNiel]

EFF those woke fans, they are neither fans nor woke. Just vile.

[@Jonas-lj8ul]

Exactly. And as for being "unwelcome in the fandom", I'm strongly of the opinion that - if you weren't in the theatre in 1977 for the original film - you're a Johnny-come-lately, and can shut the hell up. YOU weren't invited into OUR fandom to start wrecking sh*t and insulting people. If you don't like OUR object of fan adoration, f*ck off and find your own hobby,

[@paulbeharrell]

Well said Sir!

[@Ryder_OMEGA]

I remember 10 + years ago if an episode did not perform well. The people in charge would just pull the whole show out of the network and end it right there. Ratings mattered, the fans mattered, the like ability, and respect mattered. You see the trash, woke, political show/movies now a days. And people are still wondering why people are tuning out of watching entertainment all together.

[@kettch777]

Plus the inevitable talking down to and lectures when their shows fail about how dare we be stupid enough not to like their trash and it just shows how evil we all are. Seriously, even 20 years ago this would have been unthinkable. Because you're not going to accomplish anything but making people hate your brand. You cannot order consumers to want what you produce.

[@keithpace9870]

It was better times for media when a show was removed by the second or third episode if viewers for the show were incredibly low, instead of dropping 8 episodes or more of a bad, awful show to please an audience size that isn't big enough to make it reasonable to warrant another season. If some people want another season so badly, why doesn't Disney just start a go fund me page. Set up the amount they need or think they need to do another season and if they want a new season then they can give their money to it and when it reaches it's x millions of dollars then they can work on their new season. Oh wait if they end up saying on the go fund me page that they need 180 million for a season two, the people who claim to love the Acolyte are going to expect then a 180 million people or more to donate or they will throw a temper tantrum. They want stuff given to them without having to work hard for it. They expect the people they attack to give in to what they want.

[@-taz-]

When was a show taken off the air immediately? If a show was cancelled and/or unpopular, it just moved to a crappy timeslot, like Friday or Saturday night. Then they'd have some new (even worse) show standing by that they were saving for a summer release, but the first run still played. Also, "respect mattered"? There was never such a time. :)

[@Ryder_OMEGA]

@@-taz- LOL, shows have been canceled after one episode even in their mid season. And movies have been thrown down the trash. Look what happened with DC live action movie Batgirl, Swamp thing, and Disney's Willow. You want more examples do your own research 😅. And by respect, respect comes a long way by not wasting people time and starting and ending a story or respecting the fans. Maybe we should go back to that and stop wasting so money and time on useless content.

[@dsmyify]

10+ years ago men were in charge.

[@MattmanDude44]

It's ironic that the only people saying that some fans aren't welcome are the 1% of "fans" calling the other 99% of fans "toxic."

[@artemasgray]

It's not "toxic fans" who limit the stories, it's Kathleen Kennedy, because she only produces one story about strong female characters (i. e. herself) over and over again.

[@nathanclark7235]

I remember a movie made many years ago, called The Golden Compass. Beautiful looking film with amazing concepts. I was devastated to learn it wouldn't get a sequel. I went through all the emotions, but eventually understood that even though I loved the film, the majority didn't. Just because a film or season is made, the studio is not obligated to follow up on it. That's how the industry rolls.

[@jeffjones7108]

_The Acolyte_ was as subtle as an angry toddler with a nerf bat. There was nothing intelligent or creative or philosophical or even coy about it. It was $180 million of strident lesbian hate-fic of Star Wars: The Patriarchy. Along with some badboy thirst-traps for the straight ladies, because sisterhood. It's painfully obvious what their message always is. It isn't even that they don't want to risk having us miss their point. No: they enjoy rubbing it in your face. The more forceful and obnoxious they can make it, the better. Men get a Force vergence in Anakin? Women should get 2! Before Anakin!

[@JoeBManco]

I want a season 2 just so Disney can waste another 200 million.

[@Ender7j]

Who cares what they call anyone? I’m old enough to remember that whole sticks and stones thing. Call me whatever, you don’t tell me what I am. My honest self reflection does that for me already.

[@SimonBergeron1977]

Remember back when Iger said "quality over quantity"? Yeah, that's the quality he was talking about.

[@ernestpresents]

if the :star wars" part had been dropped and it had been called SPACE LESBIANS, everyone would have been happy... ?

[@kryptonianguest1903]

No. It still would have had bad writing and bad acting.

[@SharreIWright]

Or ... "Lesbians in Space"

[@MichaelWashingtonAE]

Just take out the Star Wars characters, the light sabers and it would have been fine for the audience they wanted. It still would have been canceled though

[@discobroccoli198]

Why do people act like lesbians were a big part of the show?

[@sjmcc13]

​@@kryptonianguest1903without the star wars name, they would have put in more effort.

[@The_Notorious_N.O.E.]

You got it all pretty much on the nose 👍 Well said

[@ParkerCS2]

Disney needs to lose the rights to both Marvel and Star Wars.

[@davidnierzwick2775]

Great post, Dave, it was a smart business decision for a garbage product... period.

[@blampfno]

"Who has ever said who can and cannot be a fan of something?" Wizards of the Coast has entered the chat

[@JoeChillton]

They ddin't try, they mislead that they knew what they were doing and what they were guilty of, the worst is wasting time.

[@MrStarguy17]

Disney's problem is not Star Wars fans. It's the fact that they're trying to please every corner of our society, and it's impossible to do, and it's coming off as bad writing.

[@himarei]

These people are so far up their own bubble that they have no idea what reality is. In their day to day, they only interact with people that think exactly like them, any other point of view is vilified. Their reaction to the backlash isn't surprising, they are completely baffled that there are people in the world that have different lifestyles and ideas.

[@KevinTumlinson]

I've been asked to MC an event in Vegas where about 2,000 indie authors are gathering in November. The guy who bought and took over the conference stood on stage last year and said what I think is the best hope for everyone who loves good stories: "The next Star Wars or Indiana Jones is in this room." The future lies with independent creators.

[@Thomas-p4e]

Well, the reason it was cancelled was due to the POWER. The power of the numbers of fans. And in this case (sings) the power of SOME, the power of ONE, the power of NOT ANY.

[@WilloftheFans]

That professor's definition fits the woke fans perfectly. They say we shouldn't be fans because we want high concept moral black and whiteness like the originals had, where good is revered and evil despised. But oh sure, WE'RE the dark side of the Fandom...ridiculous pap from zealots.

[@AS-fu1kd]

People want heroes fighting villains, not villains having sexy time with other villains.

[@seanmillette4323]

Literally nobody has the ability to decide if someone else is a fan of something. How do you "gatekeep" that?

[@sdwone]

This Nightmare is OVER now! Time to move on...

[@DaNinja60]

They won't seem to let it go though. KK is pissed from what I hear of late. She just needs to kick rocks and go away.

[@sdwone]

@@DaNinja60 Well let them kick their toys out of their prams! We won! Time to move on and moan about other stuff! This wallowing in Acolyte drama is getting boring to be honest 🥱

[@86BarbOmega]

@@sdwone then leave

[@Aresvin]

Many employees of Disney Starwars said who can and cant be a fan!

[@ToeCutter0]

What these entertainment journalists fail to understand is how Star Wars fans were introduced to Leslye Headland way back in 2019, when she seemed to appear out of thin air at TROS premiere. TLJ had already cleaved the fan base in two and many OG Star Wars fans were very concerned over the future of Star Wars being led by Kathleen Kennedy. Headland was asked on the red carpet: "What's your favorite Star Wars film?" and she responded with perhaps the most inauthentic comment she's ever made, stating "Oh, I love them ALL!" without so much as a moment's reflection. Many saw that clip and thought "She's not a Star Wars fan, but is already working on a show?" and the rest will live in infamy. No one could've predicted that Headland would create both the most expensive and least watched Star Wars show on Disney Plus. The Acolyte's utter failure as a show could be the straw that breaks Disney's back and results in KK finally being denied a contract renewal in October 2024.

[@AS-fu1kd]

For some reason i feel like they're gonna give her more money and power.

[@ToeCutter0]

@AS-fu1kd It's probable, perhaps even likely she'll sign on for something, considering how deep production pipelines are in Hollywood. It's why Hollywood keeps churning out out films no one wants. They started developing them years ago. I saw box office for The Crow and Blink Twice and holy cow they're in trouble. Neither broke a million dollars.

[@Jnglmpera]

Nah Iger'd just give her more power and a raise. Hell, maybe he might even give control over Feige and Marvel just cuz 😂

[@Sir_Gerald_Nosehairs.]

Gawd, can you imagine what will happen if they cancel Doctor Who..?

[@irontrash1]

Morning coffee with Dave.

[@aerochicc]

11:41 Exactly! Furthermore, when a show runner tells you outright that "a show isn't for you"... Listen!

[@arbiter8246]

Am I the only one here who has never watched the Acolyte? But has watched people bitch about it for at least 5 hours and counting? I feel like an anomaly.

[@indiajohnson]

No, you're not the only one.

[@Mark-ks9jj]

Didn't watch it, didn't even consider downloading it, watching reviews of it to save me the wasted time watching agenda filled, poor story and worse acting & direction. Watching paint dry would be more for filling I feel.

[@animn7386]

Exactly morality shouldn't be watered down like this

[@Seltkirk-ABC]

I'm absolutely very quite gravely and ghastly.... NOT SURPRISED!

[@chasehedges6775]

Same here.

[@ThereIsAlwaysaWay2]

I'm absolutely very quite gravely and ghastly .... plus justly .... NOT SURPRISED! that ...... You are NOT SURPRISED! See I did it better 😜😂

[@DrFranklynAnderson]

11:02 We should absolutely do this for the next garbage Marvel/Star Wars show. No reviews, no hate watching, no outrage vids about stupid changes to the lore, nothing. Complete radio silence. Watch the show suffocate for lack of oxygen.

[@glen4130]

Utterly Ridiculous pretty much sums up the Acolyte.

[@ConcealedCarrier]

"It's not about the money - it's about sending a message"

[@MrS-pe6sd]

No matter how normal the queer community believes themselves to be it doesn’t change the fact that they are a small group of people in the aggregate. So no matter how normal they are their material will always be relegated to smaller projects and less of a budget. Because there just isn’t the large audience base that will justify huge budgets from giant behemoth like Disney. It’s not “hate“ it’s just business

[@jerryrehard7711]

A large portion of the fanbase were told at the start from the showrunners as well as the starring actress that this show wasn't for us.

[@comentariopolitico1014]

It was not made for us but for the "MODERN AUDIENCE." The problem is that is "MODERN AUDIENCE" is tiny...

[@comentariopolitico1014]

@@marcelo3939 Boa pergunta para a diretora e para a atriz principal. Elas disseram que se nós não gostassem, que nós não assistissem. Seguimos esta orientação e ainda assim 3las reclamam. Vai entender!

[@GeryonM]

If people want a continuation of thus story Disney should put it in book form. Publishing a book would be much cheaper. Unfortunately the people who want season 2 don't have the imagination to enjoy a book.

[@Blakmage3]

The new woke Charmed gave off alarm bells from first trailer too. I watched the first episode and it was so woke, I could barely finish it. How it got 4 seasons is beyond me.

[@jasonwarner2190]

Trying to make since out of the art of psychopaths must be exhausting.

[@bfish9700]

My issue before the show released wasn't "wokeness". It was that people unqualified to write star wars were making a star wars show. Bad writing makes a bad show.

[@markbrown2206]

But the reasons for that is wokeness. People are being selected for their compliance with the ideology, not their talent. The story wasn't written to tell a story, it was written to push the values of the ideology. Yes there were a lot of things wrong with the show, but every one of those things eventually comes down to pushing wokeness above everything else. A decade ago there was wokeness in a lot of show (and other cultural elements), but it was being snuck in by the backdoor. A story may have been written with woke elements, but ahead of that it had to be good story. Casting may have favoured the woke selection process, but the actors still had to have talent above politics. What has so many of the activists upset is that this show was perfect by their own limited definition, as in it was top to bottom wokeness and the cancelation is proof that the majority is not yet willing to accept their world view.

[@Mark-ks9jj]

@@markbrown2206 Why should the vast majority of humanity accept the views & agenda of a very very small, but vocal minority? This agenda is being funded by Blackrock et al... as without the DEI #$$$ shit like this would NEVER be produced & untalented hacks like KK & Headland wouldn't be allowed near franchises. The perversion of educational institutions with all the woke courses - diversity & inclusivity studies etc. Kids today cant do basic maths, nor write stories using grammar better than that of a 4yo, but they know their rights to be whatever diverse individual who gets an award for breath that they want to be.. Wake up people!!!

[@DragonAttackInBlue]

@@markbrown2206 'the cancelation is proof that the majority is not yet willing to accept their world view.' What makes that funny for me is, I've never liked things that put the message first, before the story or whatever, even when it's a message I *agree* with - and I've been vocal about it. So, I'm vegetarian, but I don't like vegetarian restaurants; I'd far rather go to a normal restaurant with a decent vegetarian selection. I'm Christian, but I hate Christian creative things as a rule (there are many exceptions, of course, yes C.S. Lewis, etc spring to mind). I like the idea of anti-racism, but only if the people spreading it aren't some of the most racist, hateful people on the planet.

[@FreddyLittt]

The ones who like it have the same intelligence as the TVA in Deadpool 2

[@sporkenste1n236]

7:18 Remember when the first images of Sonic the Hedgehog were released for the movie, and they made him look like he needed the souls of sacrificed babies to sustain his existence, and fans were p!ssed? They changed him to actually look like Sonic after the backlash. I recall articles being written back then that said listening to and giving into what the fans wanted also set a "dangerous precedent". These people actually think giving *real* fans what they expect out of a beloved property is somehow "dangerous". It couldn't be more obvious that these hacks are bought and paid for by the likes of Disney, and that's why their words mean nothing.

[@whythatspreposterous]

The saddest and most baffling thing is that so many of these decisions that fans ask for just seem like obvious, common sense flavour choices, that keep a franchise within the bounds of what is important about that particular franchise.

[@airforcemax]

❤🎉 *¡Dave Cullen shared an awesome painfully truthful assessment on Star Wars: The Acolyte that people must share on their social media!* ❤🎉 10:26 am Pacific DayLight Savings Time on Saturday, 24 August 2024 ❤🎉

[@gordiebrooks]

Original Star Wars wasn’t about romance but good and bad and the struggle to overcome adversity. The Acolyte was about romance and subverting Star Wars lore.

[@Knowbody42]

Who are they to call us "obnoxious and unwelcome"?

[@thecloudtherapist]

The only reason The Acosh*te got as many views as it did was the fact that reviewers and those who have been dismayed by Disney Star Wars, tuned in to see the first few episodes and realising what it was, promptly tuned out and never returned.

[@2097Pyros]

"Who has ever said who can and cannot be a fan of something?" The fools in charge who seem to think they can choose whose money to take, that's who.

[@nealsterling8151]

The show was bad. Fans wanted Star Wars but they got something else. Not enough people watched it. Disney pulled the plug. End of story.

[@mattresbert]

The Force is for All❤