Thunderbolts and The Moral Relativism of Modern Hollywood

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[@taravati181]

raise a generation to think good and evil is purely subjective it makes it easier to commit heinous acts with no one speaking out.

[@JoshuaHopkins-j9o]

based

[@demoniac972]

Nailed 👍

[@CleverGirlAAH]

"From my view it is the jedi who are evil"

[@ahmorgan]

It's hard to take moral absolutism seriously when you look at America's history. That same belief in one "right" way led to the horrible treatment of so many people. The violence, murder, rape, and theft were all justified by what? A sense of moral "rightness" that allowed slavery, the forced removal of Native Americans, and segregation. Absolutism has often been used to excuse awful actions, making them seem okay because they were seen as "right."

[@bwhere45]

"Truly, whoever can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"

[@BirchTheGreat]

The original Thunderbolts had a compelling story to them. Villains pretending to be heroes to gain access to power. But some of them liked the hero business and rebeled against their leader Zemo. Real easy, basic storyline.

[@jkd1975]

Exactly. And if they had a plan or any sense Marvel should have executed that storyline immediately as a follow up to Endgame.

[@BirchTheGreat]

@@jkd1975 it would have been the perfect storyline for that 5-year Gap

[@deedee2455]

This would be fun

[@shockwaverider869]

Perfect storyline for between Infinity War and Endgame.. they blew it.

[@BirchTheGreat]

@jkd1975 it was set up in 2020. It's their own fault, taking 5 years to follow up on it. If Tbolts came out in 21, for instance, it could have helped.

[@phenomenal-xv4ey]

They are using moral relativism so they can retcon all the evil characters like Maleficent, Sauron, Cruella Deville, etc. It allows them to tear down "heroes" like Captain America, James Kirk, Luke Skywalker.

[@subjectnivleis7572]

It's funny how they made fun of that in the ducktales remake in the episode about the darkwing duck remake where the director is pretentious af and says but aren't we all the heros and villas of our own stories

[@Mopark25]

You get an origin story! You get an origin story! Everyone gets an origin story!

[@BrandonDudley-pr6cv]

Facts

[@CleverGirlAAH]

Orc babies...

[@williamfrank962]

Get ready for narnia btw. They’re remaking that and I’ll bet you all the money I wish I had they’ll make the white queen a girlboss and sympathetic.

[@easzq8]

Marvel died with Stan Lee.

[@TylerAStinson]

No it died when Jack Kirby died

[@BleachDemon707]

No way?!?! 🙄

[@ggt47]

​@@TylerAStinsonHail his majesty,King Kirby.

[@ggt47]

​@@TylerAStinsonAlso when Disney bought them.

[@BirchTheGreat]

Stan lee hasn't had s*** to do with Marvel and almost 30 plus years

[@CaseyKaufman-fu6ic]

The purpose of moral relativism is banality; to slowly condition you to tolerate the intolerable.

[@justanothercomment416]

This is in fact a classic trick of psychology. You don't have to force your enemy to move if you can trick them into slowly moving an inch at a time.

[@scots2129]

First comes tolerance, that then leads to acceptance. After you accept it, you will be pushed to celebrate it. Once you start celebrating it then you're expected to participate in it. And that is the basic strategy of making the intolerable common. If anywhere along that line you say you've had enough, they will have all kinds of names and labels, that aren't laudatory, to put upon you.

[@bradpederson4510]

Truth, well said.

[@jonsnowight9510]

Which is why Hollywood used it to convince two generations of Western Civilization that, "love is love." It was wrong then, and it's wrong now. Something becoming common does not make it good.

[@Kowalski_5]

There are no bad guys at Disney, Bob Iger has decreed it.

[@chheinrich8486]

Moremlike the Democratic Party decreed it😂 so whatever they do is not seen as bad

[@Grabthar191]

Because when everyone is a bad guy, no one is. :P Disney is indeed though, extremely twisted and evil, racist, sexist (lawsuits against them) and they even gave money to the people who directly run the death camps in China so they could film their trash movie Mulan in that region. My conscience won't allow me to patronize any Disney products.

[@Kowalski_5]

@@chheinrich8486 The parties decree what they are told to decree. You need to stop fighting the impulse of believing you have a voice.

[@porkflaps4717]

There are no good guys at Disney, just bad guys and worse. Bob Iger.

[@tompille7456]

@@chheinrich8486 if you belive that they are teaching us to lie, than yes. they are telling the truth!!!!

[@WickedScott]

Black Widow was introduced to us as a sexy, charismatic woman with a secret. Now we have angry barista lesbian.

[@lesgamester7356]

😂 😂 😂 😂

[@PettyCrow-n9c]

"Angry barista lesbian" describe every female character in the MCU now

[@Fred-gu6pk]

To be fair if you tried to make a living on minimum wage selling £5 cups of coffee you would be pretty angry too.

[@sungleong]

​@@Fred-gu6pkbaristas don't make minimum wage

[@SatanicWalnut2]

@@sungleong bro is using his country as a lens through which he views the world 😭

[@rhaythe]

Moral relativity is being pushed to justify sin.

[@JFJD]

That’s how it’s always been done.

[@alansmithee5595]

They are pushing occipital window

[@Deridus]

Nah, it's a lazy attempt to justify lazy writing. By the way, Sin's not real.

[@MrLavajet]

​@@DeridusYou sound okay with everything that's going on nowadays.

[@rasalasblack]

I don't mind moral relativism, if done well and nuanced. I just want good entertainment. If they are gonna delve into such notions, they should back it up with good writing.

[@chapelpluto4484]

Quite possibly one of your BEST videos. Morality in modern story telling has gone out the window.

[@skepticalsmurf]

I concur,that plus lazy/horrible writing,the last two films that l’ve seen at the cinema,IF and Deadpool & Wolverine,it’s sad what we’re getting from Hollywood nowadays 😬

[@TheAquarius87]

If there is no good and evil, there are no heroes. If there are no heroes, there are no role models. If there are no role models, you have no better self to strive to. Let the world accept you how you are, you're perfect 🤮

[@SubtleStair]

Oh, but then there is no "Perfect" either.

[@JFJD]

Eat ze pods, live like ze boogs.

[@stevenesbitt3528]

Nicely put

[@mkno2799]

"Hail nurgle. NNUURRGLE. NNUURRGLE. NNUURRGLE. NNUURRGLE. NNUURRGLE. NNUURRGLE." -Embracement for one of the "modern remodels" in the 41st millennium.

[@danielmacmaster5822]

​@@SubtleStairYou're right and wrong. No person is perfect but there is an ideal. The closer you get to the ideal the better. Having an ideal let's us know how we should act.

[@davrossbain7010]

Overdone dystopia…, muddled bland backgrounds, and Denizens of Venice Beach trying to justify their relations with their gardeners.

[@UncensoredScion]

how the absolute blue fuck does a regular Human stop a Super Soldier with their strength? Marvel forgot about the whole new Captain America having the Super Soldier serum didn't they.

[@erroneous6947]

It’s the metaphorical power of vagina over penis.

[@liwojenkins]

Also, the "super soldier" was that he was at the absolute limit of what a normal human can possibly achieve, so there is NO possibility of a normal human being stronger, maybe a good fraction of his strength but never equal or above.

[@inendlesspain4724]

Modern writers hate the very ideas of canon and continuity, that's why they can do stuff like pretend the Harley Quinn from the arkhamverse was always like Margot Robbie's Harley Quinn from the SS2 movie.

[@TheSpiderPan]

oh...but she's a girl boss...so she can't fail.

[@mustang607]

"The constant lying is not aimed at making the people believe a lie but at ensuring that no one believes anything anymore. A people who can no longer distinguish between truth and lies cannot distinguish between right and wrong." "And such a people, deprived of the power to think and judge, is, without knowing and willing it, completely subjected to the rule of lies. With such a people, you can do whatever you want" -Hannah Arendt - German-American historian and philosopher

[@justanothercomment416]

Enter the flat E and other such topics. You're smart. Wish more were as well educated as you.

[@qZbGmYjS4QusYqv5]

"Shades of grey" is just another boring overused postmodernist trope stuck with modern culture since the late 1980s

[@tompille7456]

i never watched shades of grey :D

[@plflaherty1]

Your radical moral views are......refreshing.

[@hoisin75]

I was watching Superman 2 with my son this morning. It was colourful, properly lit, positive, heroic, all-American and had a clear sense of good vs evil. Pure cinema, pure entertainment. The superhero movie peaked there folks.

[@rosswilson8917]

Superman I & II is the best superhero movie till this day.

[@SharreIWright]

I hope it was the Richard Donner cut

[@SharreIWright]

​@@rosswilson8917 only if they're Superman and Superman II the Richard Donner cut

[@hoisin75]

@@SharreIWright it wasn't actually. I did watch the Donner cut a while back - so maybe this is nostalgia on my part, but I personally prefer the Lester version on the whole. Louis shooting Clarke seemed a bit mental!

[@basicfilmblog]

@@hoisin75 that film is crap

[@PR_1775]

As has been said, good and evil are not parallel paths but rather exclusive roads that go in opposite directions.

[@tompille7456]

and good is there keep evil ad bay and not if we kill just the thought of being evil every one goes good or bad depending how you like it.

[@citizenronin]

"Fear is a reaction. Courage is a decision" - Winston Churchill...This is the kind of belief we use to teach our children. This is how we framed our heroes. This is what allowed men to cross seas and storm beaches. We lose sight of this and we lose sight of our humanity..."For Frodo...."

[@davidthompson1573]

Keep in mind, they think Captain America is a “bad guy” simply by not bending to their will.

[@Grubnar]

Even if everyone is telling you that something wrong is something right. Even if the whole world is telling you to move, it is your duty to plant yourself like a tree, look them in the eye, and say, 'No, *you* move'! And that is why they hate him!

[@dreamcastfan]

Cap’s line in The Avengers where he says “There’s only one god, ma’am” epitomises the difference for me. I’m not religious but that line symbolised the strong adherence to morals and values people held in the period Steve Rogers came from. It feels like a line Captain Kirk would have delivered. These days, the people writing these things are so dedicated to promoting degeneracy and immorality that they need to destroy any and all characters who would stand up for decency.

[@dukenukemforever6912]

Just like Vietcongs, Soviets and Cubans.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

They should've given Bucky the shield to continue his redemption arc. He deserves better than this.

[@sungleong]

Winter soldier should always be an anti hero, I hate that they make him a boy scout in the TV show.

[@shadowkhan81]

Yea exactly 💯

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@sungleong The problem with that is The Winter Soldier is the name of the brainwashed assassin. They removed the brainwashing, so he's no longer The Winter Soldier. He's just Bucky, though he does still have the skills he had as the Winter Soldier.

[@gregoryfloriolli9031]

The original Thunderbolts comic had this cool idea where we were introduced to this new group of heroes led by this mysterious hero known as Citicen V. Then, surprise, it was revealed that Citizens V was Zemo and the rest of the “heroes” were actually old Avengers’ villains. It was a cool concept that made you wonder what these villains were up to. Furthermore, once they started to masquerade as heroes, you started to have some villains reconsidering whether they wanted to continue being villains. All of that cool stuff is gone and we are stuck with Marvel’s version of Suicide Squad featuring Earth’s most B list villains.

[@t.kersten7695]

there aren´t even good villains left.

[@allendean9807]

You nailed it! Their inability to simply just adapt great comics are infuriating to me. Then, i watch this trailer, and wonder; fuck. Are they brainwashing Barnes AGAIN???

[@Ihavethetouch]

Biggest problem is that they are all at worst, anti-heroes. Thunderbolts are all about villains becoming heroes.

[@freedone.]

I just can't anymore. All these movies are so dark and dreary.

[@sole__doubt]

Its like they are all copying Se7en.

[@kicknowledgesmith8608]

They aren't though.

[@basicfilmblog]

​@@sole__doubt what utter codswallop 😂

[@basicfilmblog]

Yeah man, thor love and thunder was extremely dark 😂.. you lot dont even know what you are compalining about.

[@kicknowledgesmith8608]

@@basicfilmblog Don't forget Shang Chi and Dead pool, they were super dark lol

[@ParkerCS2]

Puss in Boots: The Last Wish showcased clear good and evil. It also had three types of villains: the sympathetic/redeemable antagonist with Goldie Locks, the force of nature and horror type antagonist with Death, and the irredeemably unsympathetic and pure evil antagonist with Big Jack Horner. 2 out of those 3 were able to get past their initial goals, with Goldie realizing she didn’t need a new family and realized she had everything she wanted, and Death being able to forgive Puss for cheating and mocking him and finally giving respect to the concept of mortality thus giving up his angry pursuit of him and no longer breaking the boundaries of his job as the grim reaper thus returning to being the embodiment of the universe’s concept of death who just collects already deceased souls instead of literally murdering them. The only person who could not change was Jack. He was so obsessed with believing he just needed more and disregarding anything and everyone else in his selfish ambition to steal all the magic in the world believing it would make him special which resulted in his demise. He got what he freaking deserved for all the terrible things he did and horrible acts he committed. Letting everyone’s lives but his own be forfeit. His uncaring behavior towards his subordinates and lackeys. His arrogance of not listening to the advice of the cricket. He like all evil doers got his well deserving punishment as evil ultimately fails and he who could not change was therefore punished.

[@benjaminthibieroz4155]

You made a great point. However, I don't think Death was angry or breaking boundaries. That's what I love about him embodying the concept. All the way, he's pretty calm and chill, and if you look well, he never really tries to kill Puss, even though he could have done it easily. His goal was merely to frighten him, to force him into braving his fear, and respect life again. Wich he ultimately accomplished. It's not that he "forgive". He actually got exactly what he wanted.

[@skepticalsmurf]

yes,it was an enjoyable film,the little dog was my favorite character 😊

[@ParkerCS2]

@@benjaminthibieroz4155 yes. Although he seemed kinda pissed at first at puss’s sudden change in personality and perspective, after the long dedication he gave to stalking Puss and it amounted to it being almost like a waste of time. Idk just imo what I got from their last conversation. But yes, Death like I said is a force of nature and not necessarily good nor evil. He is instead a embodiment of mortality and was trying to teach Puss a lesson that he shouldn’t think life is meaningless and something to take for granted even for a creature who had 9 lives initially as life regardless should still be considered important and a life should be considered important to you and everyone around and close to you.

[@awesomehpt8938]

There is no good and evil there is only power and those too weak to seek it -Voldemort

[@rickrogan2355]

Voldemort aka He who could not even kill a literal infant.

[@ninjason57]

Consider the source

[@johnbox271]

Are you sure that is a Voldemort quote? I thought it was Harvey Weinstein.

[@liwojenkins]

"Ah, well, I get the feeling he kinda needs that to be the case." - Vance Maximus

[@inendlesspain4724]

"There is no good and evil Harry Spotter, there's only weights, and those too weak to lift them" -Swoledemort

[@TotesRandom]

It's misandry. If ANYONE dared write a protagonist in a movie that said "there are no good WOMEN, only bad worse and nothing else," then half the internet would lose their shit.

[@ixirion]

I dont think so. things have changed. cancel culture, shaming, namecalling they have lost much of their power. its like toddler crying. eventually you just dont care if they want icream or not also freedom and change require sacrifices. they aways have

[@p-47thunderbolt57]

That's perhaps what was intended, but I interpreted it as meaning mankind, i.e., humanity. If it really is just misandry, then it's even more stupid than Dave gave it credit for. (On another note, as it says in the Bible, "There is no one righteous, no not one," but that's definitely not the context they intended. I'd be surprised if they even knew the verse.)

[@Fred-gu6pk]

To be fair "losing its shit" it the purpose of half the Internet.

[@syntaxusdogmata3333]

"Man" is also short for "human." Pretty sure that's what was meant.

[@jrr2480]

Here's a interesting fact: Grey is technically a lighter shade of Black 🖤 , and when you put more greys together it eventually becomes black.

[@tompille7456]

and we all are allready blackend out, of their storys. they take every excuse they want and not the biggest apologie, will save us!

[@RealKull]

If you put all the colours together you obtain black

[@Cassandra112]

none of this is correct. there are additive, and subtractive models. light is additive. Wavelengths. Adding light, creates white light. no light is black. hue is color, saturation is the AMOUNT/purity of color. black is the absence of light. Grey is all wavelengths in balance. Tv's/monitors use red, green, blue phophors to short hand create all colors. its not really, but the EYE's CONE cells come in 3 forms. red, green and blue... and pick up those colors, and our brains fill in the rest. now, paint is subtractive. paper is white. for subtractive pigments, color is mostly the literal material. adding black paint is called shade, adding white paint is called tint. adding grey to grey, just makes grey. Adding BLACK to something makes it black. and if you want pure black, well.. just use black, nothing else. as adding black to say red, will just make a dark red. here is where the primary color's of red, yellow, blue comes into play.(or cyan, yellow, magenta, and K(Key, aka black for print) mixing those for purple, orange, and green. so, grey is either just a grey base, or shaded white, or tinted black. putting all the colors together here, creates brown.

[@johnraven7234]

@@Cassandra112 putting all the colors together here, creates brown.- good analogy. so if you combine all the colors of the rainbow of LGBTQ+++ it will turn into brown which is same color of a meaningliss lump of feces hence why a piece of art or media laced with DEI/identity politics turns into a souless piece of sh**

[@jrr2480]

@@Cassandra112 I guess you got offended by my comment. 🤔😏

[@Cyborg1101]

So, it's basically Marvel's *Suicide Squad*

[@ScotsThinker]

Thank you Dave for your words of Moral Wisdom.

[@jefftucker201]

So 3 Super soldiers, one normal woman and a woman who can phase....

[@BlueBoxRevan]

Marvel needs to retire until a new competent group can actually respect the original source material

[@kicknowledgesmith8608]

What's disrespectful bout this?

[@WhyDoTroonsHaveTheSameVoices]

Failing to light the set is not good cinematography. Thank you for acknowledging this universal truth.

[@leeboss373]

Because the message is evil! And they know it

[@KabirSaidov]

In my headspace there's only one movie was released by Marvel after Endgame and that is No Way Home.

[@tompille7456]

well, after the second hulk and thor, i knew something not right. but nobody seem to realize

[@LevCrouton]

Deadpool 3

[@KabirSaidov]

@@LevCrouton I haven't watched Deadpool 3 yet. Is it worth watching?

[@vaporwave4880]

Guardians 3 was great too.

[@KabirSaidov]

@@vaporwave4880 I guess I'll have to watch Guardians 3.

[@williammiller4768]

Evil is always the first to tell you “There is no evil.”

[@syd4n]

Their goal is to give excuse and justifaction for people to behave badly...thats their objective

[@anastasiesumpnerence4132]

You’ve mastered how to keep it fresh!

[@nerychristian]

That's what she said

[@letfreedomring7330]

The writers see themselves in the villains and their quest for power and so can't write that as evil.

[@DiggitySlice]

You say that this is the Avengers B-team, but the current Avengers line-up is Falcon Captain America, Iron Heart, Shiri Black Panther, two wahmin Captain Marvels, a stretchy Muslim girl, Kate Bishop, a not angry Hulk, a way too angry She-Hulk, and any remnant of the characters people actually liked played by actors who are too tired to give a shit anymore. We're on the Z-team by now

[@Ihavethetouch]

@@DiggitySlice Are there officially Avengers anymore?

[@phexus]

I didn’t even finish the trailer because I’m so sick of trailers using well known songs and dramatizing them. I don’t want to be reminded of a Marvel trailer when I listen to a song I like.

[@tompille7456]

i know what you mean,....... in every movie or series of them, they kill part of our childhood and will not stop to do so. i know if i never have seen there stuff ever,... i would be a happy man!

[@thecloudtherapist]

No, Dave, you're not overdoing it. You're spot on 👏

[@qZbGmYjS4QusYqv5]

First and foremost, it's Disney's attempt to make James Gunn's The Suicide Squade without James Gunn and with D-list characters

[@Mopark25]

No, that's a reach. The tone is a lot more serious and they're not going to kill off anybody, at least as a joke. You're just seeing slightly similar premises and making that leap. Also SS was also with D-list characters, besides Harley. That's not important.

[@tompille7456]

@@Mopark25 i hate d-list stuff you never feel home.

[@kevinmccabe7263]

Fun fact: this idea that our stories have a moral utility to society dates all the way back to Socrates and Plato, it's actually what led to Socrates execution for heresy when he spoke out against the amorality that had slipped into the greek mythology

[@williamwelch7]

Thanks Dave, glad you're one of the good guys!

[@Theseus9-cl7ol]

“There is no good or bad! 😡”…….something evil people like to say.

[@larsw3967]

I've definitely been noticing this for awhile and it's far more direct now. Villains are now given backstories so we are made to sympathize with their evil decisions. The Devil had his own show as a detective, people sympathized with Thanos, the wicked witch is made to look like an misunderstood person - these are just few examples. Its crazy!!

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

No Good, no Evil, just Power...🙄

[@apollo597]

Cringe

[@judashentairoite8225]

What wrong with that? 🤔🤔🤔

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

@@judashentairoite8225>>> Are you serious?

[@judashentairoite8225]

@@Allan_aka_RocKITEman yeah, metal gear rising explored that very well both in story and soundtrack.

[@Dollar_Store_Cacodemon]

In John Coffe's voice: "I'm tired, boss."

[@kamakazed3747]

Fool me one shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, fool me 24 times........nope never made it past twice.

[@Rhamsody]

😂

[@Fluxion77]

One of your most important videos. Especially in these times.

[@mustang607]

The seven deadly sins are making a comeback as moral relativism expands.

[@guilhermehank4938]

I legit dont give a rat's @55 to any of them

[@tompille7456]

thats one of their excuses to go on like that.

[@bazzzzz6175]

Man, 99% of what Disney/Marvel puts out is sludgey, dark, murky looking grey/brown muck.

[@Richforce1]

Thing is in the comics the Thunderbolts were NOT like the Suicide Squad, they're both made up of villains but that's where the resemblance ends. The squad are forced into it to try to get out of prison, the Thunderbolts started as a plot by Baron Zemo when most of the world's heroes disappeared by having some villains pose as new heroes only for most of his minions to LIKE being good guys and decide to turn on Zemo and embrace their Thunderbolt personas totally. To me it isn't Thunderbolts without Mach, Songbird, Atlas and Techno.

[@Draw2quit]

There are only bad guys and worse guys, said by a character in a universe that only exists because a good guy died to save it.

[@cmedtheuniverseofcmed8775]

They can no longer have heroes anymore. Even in older books, like The Witcher, you can have a rough and gritty environment where humans can be just as monstrous as the monsters but still have a hero who's doing what he can to help others and improve his environment. Have no fear in showing good and evil in story writing. You can have a rough environment yet have heroes and villians. If anything, these days, the people need heroes.

[@benjaminthibieroz4155]

I try sticking to this as a writer. The witcher books are extraordinary. Another of my biggest inspiration is the Berserk manga. It doesn't shy away AT ALL showing humanity in all of its most despicable aspects. Yet it show people who are courageous and kind in spite of horrors happening to them. Darkness shows you how precious good is, for that where it is most needed and admirable.

[@JasonMcMackins]

Only the Evil would try to convince you there is no Good.

[@inazuma3gou]

I do not think moral greyness is a problem because the complexity of life demands nuances. MCU/Disney's problem is their writers are simple-minded folks who could not tell the difference between grey and black.

[@John-fk2ky]

I find it rather problematic since most “moral grayness” in stories I encounter isn’t something like a good or well-intentioned person has done bad things, characters choosing the least-worst option, or villains going after a good goal the wrong way. Instead, intentions justify horrible actions, the protagonist is always right, or doing bad things to “evil” people is okay. Life isn’t morally gray at times because most actions aren’t morally gray. People are. For example, stealing is wrong. Historically, that’s a pretty universal belief. Stealing because you have no money, jobs are scarce, and you’re only stealing food or money that is only spent on necessities, however, is easier to forgive than stealing because it’s supposedly an easy way to make money or to get nice stuff for free. The former makes for a potentially interesting character. The latter is one of the henchmen that gets beat up in a superhero movie or show.

[@inazuma3gou]

@@John-fk2ky I agree that intentions don't justify horrible actions. Let's take WandaVision for an example. While torturing the entire town was atrocious and unforgivable, Wanda had done a brave thing by bringing down the Hex and forgoing her happiness with two kids and Hex-Vision. After putting on her hoodie, had Wanda left Westview without saying a word, I think many people may have even felt sympathies for Wanda. Instead you had Monica's infamous "THESE PEOPLE WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND THE SUFFERING YOU WENT THROUGH" which showed that Disney writers' simple-mind cannot comprehend that being sad is not an excuse for torturing people FFS. These sociopath writers cannot tell the difference between grey and black.

[@paulriveaux]

Your conveying this point perfectly. It's sad to see the fall of Hollywood and their values.

[@vernonhampton5863]

I always say: "It's called The Good Fight, not The Good Easy".

[@OldMovieRob]

Good point about the color palate. I wasn't a huge fan of the Wolvie/Deadpool film but I have to give credit that both leads had great, bright colors to their costumes and I'd like to see more like that in superhero films.

[@JohnDoe-tv4zf]

Everything is just so depressing nowadays. It’s heartbreaking. These movies are all by design to destroy the fabric of societies.

[@DarinRWagner]

A movie called "Thunderbolts" that features none of the characters that Kurt Busiek & Mark Bagely used when they created that team and series. The shoe-horning in of Sentry, a terrible character concept that never really caught on... three characters who have pretty much the same power set (being super-soldiers of a sort) and three forgettable femme fatales from three forgettable films. And to top it all off, they've turned La Contessa Valentina Allegra de la Fontaine into Amanda Waller. This is like going to a restaurant, ordering a Coca-Cola and they give you a root beer and tell you it's the same thing.

[@Ihavethetouch]

None of these characters are even villains

[@DarinRWagner]

@@Ihavethetouch Two of them could be called "antagonists" but yeah, they are/were sympathetic. The core concept of the Thunderbolts was a group of villains (i.e. bad guys) who get "seduced by good." It's what made the series compelling to read and fun. This film has a message that can be called "opposite."

[@Ihavethetouch]

​@@DarinRWagner I've been reading the omnibus releases of Thunderbolts, damn they're good

[@shawnpullen8406]

Some of the biggest blockbusters implements Christian themes, like redemption, forgiveness, goodness. We shouldn't be surprised that Hollywood is trying to erase those things.

[@chance_ondriezek99]

Who else will be skipping this one?

[@y2keef]

So I replied Got to the man bashing bit and deleted my comment and now I'm with ya buddy!

[@BleachDemon707]

Who else makes stupid comments on youtube for "relevance" Oh, you do. 🙄

[@ggt47]

Before D&W the last time I saw an MCU project was werewolf. So that was,what? 2-3 years ago?

[@Kowalski_5]

Not me.

[@kamakazed3747]

Skipped the last what 15 now.

[@blshouse]

"What is this, some sort of Suicide Squad?"

[@CringePanda]

Probably the only Marvel movie ever shot entirely on a Sony FX3, and hopefully the last! Just kidding, they used the Amira. But, it might as well have been a FX3. What's the point of extra detail, dynamic range, etc. if you're going to make the movie look like this?

[@Cycle.every.day.]

This is borderline woke , it comes up to the woke line and just stops or goes just over , it's treading the line.

[@justanothercomment416]

Once you accept how far the line is moved you come to understand it's nowhere near the borderline. It's still way over.

[@BENR8108]

I like John Walkers character… he deserves more screen time

[@mr.dccomics9018]

And now you see why Hollywood demonize Superman.

[@Kowalski_5]

You can't compare the world's goodness to God's. The world doesn't have any to begin with.

[@taravati181]

oh shut up there are plenty of genuinely good people in the world.

[@Felwinter57]

Well God isn't real it doesn't matter

[@Kowalski_5]

@@taravati181 Name one

[@Kowalski_5]

@@Felwinter57 And you know this how ?

[@JustTooDamnHonest]

God doesn't care for if he did then all of the world's despair would never have happened. But God gave us something called free will and so it is humans who made their own choices and that is what we have gotten ever since.

[@neoblakkrstal9865]

It is imperative that we, as parents, teach our children proper morality. Otherwise, they could grow up and be Demonrats.

[@PettyCrow-n9c]

It all comes down to writing. Thunderbolts, The Joker, The Penguin, and even Suicide Squad are all examples of Hollywood having a very warped idea of right and wrong.

[@lancec3509]

I've been subscribed for a long time. Good for you for standing up for the right thing even though it isn't popular! Proud to be a subscriber.

[@ManleyArts]

"....blah blah bad guys and worse guys and nothing else." Wow, Atheist/Progressive Hollywood is a sad, miserable place.

[@tomgu2285]

Okay fascist

[@davidblue819]

The Captain America super-soldier formula worked like this according to its creator. good becomes great; bad becomes worse. The story of Steve Rogers confirmed that. The message that there is no good, just shades of bad and worse, is factually incorrect. Yes it's morally poisonous, but it's also just plain wrong.

[@shaketelevision]

Good is a spiritual pursuit, bad is a materialistic pursuit. But these films ignore the spiritual aspect, and thus, they are trying to split material understanding into two, an impossibility. But they want to remove the idea of God, and this is actually how they have to deal with it, trapped in a material paradigm.

[@MS-lk2sk]

Thanks for being brave to speak about things that turn people off sometimes

[@darchangeldavid]

I still hate the gender swaps for ghost and task master. That was unnecessary with all the female characters in Marvel comics.

[@kristophergilliam9374]

Preach, brother!

[@basicfilmblog]

Because grey areas are extremely common place. Nobody is all good or all bad.

[@allendean9807]

Personally, im tired of the writers brain fucking Barnes. In the comics, he is winter soldier, breaks free of Hydra, hooks up with Romanoff, and BECOMES CAPTAIN AMERICA….. He doesn’t keep getting brainwashed, over and over and over. Hes not the mind control whipping boy, dammit. Barnes was BUCKY. He was, and IS a hero. Dammit. I hope hes not mind controlled again in this film.

[@nigel_saxon]

Elaine, just call her Elaine.

[@seanh884]

My 5yo knows that a "good guy" isn't a perfect person but rather someone who wants to be good and tries to be good, even if they stumble/fail along the way. He's 5.

[@indiajohnson]

Good kid 👍🏾

[@Obssy]

I am not a religious person, but I understand your argument and I agree with your points. There seems to be a concerted effort to undermine established virtues and morals.

[@Theseus9-cl7ol]

It’s a Marxist tactic.

[@justanothercomment416]

@@Theseus9-cl7ol You are completely correct. Good job! Thank you.

[@lyonsja1]

The lack of color and proper lighting in modern cinema doesn't get mentioned enough.

[@SamStuart07]

Shows Hollywood is still the dark ages of "wokeness."

[@dennisclarke6456]

They tricked us with Venom as well.. he was simple supposed to be a bloodthirsty psychopath.. now, he’s just a misunderstood parasite infecting poor old Eddie Brock lol

[@eksit101]

Predictive programming, social engineering. Just getting you to accept evil. Diddy brings down the house, same rings as Disney, jeffEp.

[@VincitOmniaVeritas7]

Echo Chamberlain just released a video about why Disney keeps making villains sympathetic and I think it ties well with everything you said here. Worth the watch.

[@Brandon-jf2dw]

Art is an expression of the soul, the filth we see on screen is the manifestation of the sickness within their creators

[@bearpitt]

When the wicked people are making the movies and TV shows? What do you expect?

[@verazollinger6862]

Very good observation

[@justanothercomment416]

Thank you for using your platform to bring light into the world. We need more good people like yourself standing up.

[@CanuckWolfman]

I really wish they'd tell the original Thunderbolts story. Supervillains pretending to be heroes to fill the void left by the Avengers as part of a scheme, only for several of them to decide they prefer being heroes is so much cooler than just being *The Suicide Squad We Have At Home.* I guess we just don't tell redemption stories anymore.

[@waylonjonesapologist]

The suicide squad we have at home is too accurate 😭

[@tomgu2285]

So basically this movie 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️ what are you talking about????? Ohh the comics sound realy morally Grey 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 hmmm?????

[@Mr.S7R4WM4N]

Isaiah 5:20 King James Version 20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

[@Deridus]

At this point I'm starting to think we should just label everything as an Amalakite and ... well...

[@critter30002001]

Don’t expect the color pallet to improve. They did the same to the later Harry Potter movies years ago

[@TheRuthless305]

I agree completely, where is the light ?!

[@justanothercomment416]

Be the light and more will come to you. When you surrounded by darkness your light becomes a beacon. Be the light.

[@DiggitySlice]

You shouldn't be worried about putting people off for expressing the truth of the universe. Reality is reality, we can't pretend it's not, no matter who doesn't like it. Objective morality is obvious to almost eveyone, it's just easier to deny it than face your own failings.

[@BrianRidgway-u5g]

Thanks! And keep up the good work that is guided by some moral clarity.