This is what's inside an Atari Lynx cartridge!

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silvestron's bits and bytes

silvestron's bits and bytes

Күн бұрын

I was recently given a few items, one of them being this not working copy of Rampage for the Atari Lynx, so with nothing to lose let's dive in and see what's inside!
If you like what I do and want to encourage more, I appreciate your support through likes and comments below. If you have the means, you could also support me on Patreon as money helps me buy broken things to fix and build more projects - / silvervest
Any feedback is welcome, as always.
Credits!
Music:
* Masaru Setsumaru - Data Select (from Sonic 3)
Font: Riciery Leal - VCR OSD Mono (www.dafont.com/vcr-osd-mono.font)
Putting up with my weird hobbies: My wife
Disclaimer!
I am NOT an expert, I have genuinely NO idea what I'm doing, and mostly just glue things together and use a lot of Google-fu until stuff works. I've been tinkering with electronics since I was a kid but have no formal training and will probably do things incorrectly. If you learn something from this, that's awesome, but trust me - I'm learning too!
#atari #lynx #cartridge

Пікірлер: 73
@Cornz38
@Cornz38 3 ай бұрын
The Lynx was brilliant... One of the best handheld consoles of the era...
@DanieruX10
@DanieruX10 3 ай бұрын
Always wanted to know what the insides of the lynx carts were like. Thank you!
@MARCSLASH
@MARCSLASH 3 ай бұрын
Me too. Thank you!
@RetroDawn
@RetroDawn 3 ай бұрын
Ditto!
@SonicBoone56
@SonicBoone56 3 ай бұрын
I always thought that Lynx cartridges were too thin for their own good. I can imagine a lot of stress is put on the entire board.
@roydriver8956
@roydriver8956 3 ай бұрын
You win some, you lose some.
@silvestronsbitsandbytes
@silvestronsbitsandbytes 3 ай бұрын
Exactly. I think I might use the case for a programmable game cart with a bit of grinding
@FatNorthernBigot
@FatNorthernBigot 3 ай бұрын
I was fascinated to see how my favourite console's cartridges were constructed, but what a huge disappointment.
@Shinquapin
@Shinquapin 3 ай бұрын
If you're feeling really adventurous, you could try grinding away some of the epoxy to see if any of the bond wires have broken, but it's very tricky and probably won't result in a fix. It was cool to see the inside of one of these games though!
@silvestronsbitsandbytes
@silvestronsbitsandbytes 3 ай бұрын
That's a great idea, and I don't have much to lose! I guess I'm going back in 😅
@TheSocialGamer
@TheSocialGamer 3 ай бұрын
@@silvestronsbitsandbytes How'd you make out. anything?
@--Lam
@--Lam 3 ай бұрын
Pretty low chance of the bond wires breaking while being encapsulated in the hardest part of the cartridge. You'd deform the outer plastic and crack the PCB before that blob could realistically suffer in any way (like separating wires from the chip inside). There's a chance of the whole blob separating from the PCB (breaking the bond on that end), but we would probably already see it around 5:30. So no, I bet on the chip itself getting fried :(
@ostiariusalpha
@ostiariusalpha 3 ай бұрын
Chances are something has failed inside the actual mask ROM. Might as well tear it apart and have a peek at what a ROM's innards look like.
@baconeater312
@baconeater312 3 ай бұрын
if you boil pine tar resin and submerge the blob top in there wouldn't it disolve the apoxy like that other dude does on youtube
@thompsongooglehome107
@thompsongooglehome107 3 ай бұрын
Great video!
@ForwardBias
@ForwardBias 3 ай бұрын
Good video, love this kinda stuff :)
@Raduga77
@Raduga77 3 ай бұрын
I have 1 game that exhibits the same behaviour in my collection... It's Rampage! Seems rather coincidental.. I haven't gotten to taking a look at the cart yet but, thanks to your video, it looks like it'll be pointless to take a look. Thanks for the video :)
@android01978
@android01978 3 ай бұрын
That’s very interesting. I wonder if there were a batch of faulty rampage carts as I had an issue with one new one in the 90s that I bought very cheap at the end of the consoles life. On the plus side, it then gave me a cart that I chopped up and connected to 8 UV erasable roms to make m own programmable cart. Later I changed it to 8 stacked sram chips with a capacitor.
@RetroDawn
@RetroDawn 3 ай бұрын
​@@android01978 Very cool! You put 8 stacked ICs on a PCB you managed to fit in a Lynx cart? In that divet for the blobbed IC? How long did the capacitor in your SRAM cart last when detached? I assume it "charged" while plugged into a turned on Lynx.
@techboogaloo
@techboogaloo 3 ай бұрын
The dreaded blob chip... most likely whatever issues that game has is sealed in its epoxy tomb. Did you try checking continuity from the pins through the VIAs, I know you can only check so far before they disappear into the black void, but maybe you get lucky and its just a broken trace somewhere that you can repair. Either way I appreciate you showing the world what is in those paper thin carts.
@silvestronsbitsandbytes
@silvestronsbitsandbytes 3 ай бұрын
Yep, checked all continuity from board edge to as close to the blob as I could get, no breaks. Cheers!
@Thiesi
@Thiesi 3 ай бұрын
Whoa, I was already getting my digital pitchfork ready, hovered the mouse pointer over the _Unsubscribe_ button, and prepared to report you to the retro community police for exercising violence on screen when I first read the title because I thought you'd just brutally tear that cartridge apart. After watching the video I can safely say _crisis averted_ and _I should have known better._
@silvestronsbitsandbytes
@silvestronsbitsandbytes 3 ай бұрын
I would never rage bait my loyal viewers like that ;)
@Mrshoujo
@Mrshoujo 3 ай бұрын
The 1st Rygar cartridge I bought for my mom failed. Thankfully I was able to replace it at the time. It would be interesting to see an EEPROM put in place.
@silvestronsbitsandbytes
@silvestronsbitsandbytes 3 ай бұрын
Yeah, I could definitely use this case for one of the recreation EEPROM carts, like BennVenn's blank cart, with only a bit of modding
@wimwiddershins
@wimwiddershins 3 ай бұрын
Try tapping it on a hard surface. If it's bond wire separation, you -might- just be able to jag it. 🤔 More likely is some failure/damage on the silicon though.
@silvestronsbitsandbytes
@silvestronsbitsandbytes 3 ай бұрын
Oh interesting idea, worth a shot before I grind into the epoxy as well! Thanks!
@JendaLinda
@JendaLinda 3 ай бұрын
I suppose game cartridges with exposed contacts could be easily damaged by static electricity.
@silvestronsbitsandbytes
@silvestronsbitsandbytes 3 ай бұрын
That could definitely be the case! Ah well.
@Thiesi
@Thiesi 3 ай бұрын
Yet it happened surprisingly rarely - despite everything we were putting them through back in the day.
@joshmiller887
@joshmiller887 3 ай бұрын
It looked like on the side that the chip was on had a couple traces to the left that look broken? Maybe it was just the angle of the camera.
@pacsonic9000
@pacsonic9000 3 ай бұрын
Try wiggling the game while it's inside and find a position where it works. That's how it's done on other game systems including the Game Boy line.
@Tossphate
@Tossphate 3 ай бұрын
My rampage is the game in my collection that's done this as well
@Riz2336
@Riz2336 3 ай бұрын
Very interesting. I always wondered what these and hu cards aka turbo chips look like in the inside
@silvestronsbitsandbytes
@silvestronsbitsandbytes 3 ай бұрын
I do have some HuCards but they're all working so I don't want to sacrifice one... might have to hunt for a similarly dead one to play with!
@Penfold8
@Penfold8 3 ай бұрын
You could have put some hot air on that epoxy blob and it would have come right off.
@BrekMartin
@BrekMartin 2 ай бұрын
Um, no you couldn’t.
@RustBunny
@RustBunny 3 ай бұрын
Too bad it's not working and likely won't. But now you have a potential home for another game if a PCB needs it.
@Hypn0s2
@Hypn0s2 3 ай бұрын
I'd never seen the inside of a Lynx cart before. I know it is just Rampage but only one EPROM chip? Wow. Yeah I'm not sure there was much you could of done. I was really hoping for a broken trace or something. If the EPROM is dead, meh, there's nothing to salvage. Literally the only thing on that cart. Not everyone shows failed repairs. Good on you for showing this.
@ostiariusalpha
@ostiariusalpha 3 ай бұрын
It's mask ROM, no way Atari was paying extra for EPROM chips back then.
@sysghost
@sysghost 3 ай бұрын
A thin flexible PCB and a flimsy plastic "shroud" didn't give the cartridge much protection at all. It almost entirely depended on the epoxy blob itself to be rigid enough to "protect" the chip and its bond wires. Due to flexing and rough handling those bond wires under the epoxy would eventually lift off the PCB and cause intermittent problems, only to fail completely later on.
@silvestronsbitsandbytes
@silvestronsbitsandbytes 3 ай бұрын
I guess 34 years of mishandling got the better of it! As mentioned in some other comments, I might attempt to carefully "excavate" the chip under the epoxy and see what's what.. maybe I can do it carefully enough to see damage (doubt it though!)
@Cornz38
@Cornz38 3 ай бұрын
6:28, you right hand tweezer catches on the 2nd to the last pin on the right. is there something sticking through the via?????
@silvestronsbitsandbytes
@silvestronsbitsandbytes 3 ай бұрын
Just a bit of leftover glue that I didn't clear out
@Cornz38
@Cornz38 3 ай бұрын
Ah, i wondered if the "ring" of the pad had come loose and was not making contact.@@silvestronsbitsandbytes
@agenttexx
@agenttexx 3 ай бұрын
I remember the Lynx and always thought it was very clunky and cheap feeling when compared to the Gameboy.
@silvestronsbitsandbytes
@silvestronsbitsandbytes 3 ай бұрын
I only had a Game Boy back then, never experienced the Lynx until I was an adult, but I can definitely see how it would be compared like that! Oddly, I prefer the Lynx model 1 over the model 2 that I have as well, which is even clunkier!
@robert5235
@robert5235 3 ай бұрын
I had the first one and it was better than that one. Thought it was better quality than game boy
@EnigPartyhaus
@EnigPartyhaus 3 ай бұрын
the fact the board's only rear defense is the label is pretty cheap and scummy for Atari
@silvestronsbitsandbytes
@silvestronsbitsandbytes 3 ай бұрын
I'm honestly surprised how many are still in good working condition based on that, with such poor protection I'd expect worse but here we are
@TheSocialGamer
@TheSocialGamer 3 ай бұрын
@@silvestronsbitsandbytes there's literally nothing to damage. Most likely it was electrically shocked at some point in its life.
@BrekMartin
@BrekMartin 2 ай бұрын
Have you noticed the bulge in the back of 512Gb micro SD cards? That’s a little scary.
@painter194
@painter194 3 ай бұрын
I’ve heard that certain games only work on certain models of the Lynx. Maybe this is one of those games?? if you ever get your hands on the different model Lynx, give it another try.
@braddl9442
@braddl9442 3 ай бұрын
Seems like the rom might have got corrupted. Power surge or static shock to the cart?
@silvestronsbitsandbytes
@silvestronsbitsandbytes 3 ай бұрын
Possible! I don't know the history of the cart, and I don't think the viewer that sent it in does either, so anyone's guess as to what happened and when!
@tobiaskraft6695
@tobiaskraft6695 3 ай бұрын
its rare, but sometimes the Eprom dies for years. Have one Mega Drive Cartridge from Tengen, didnt work to.
@silvestronsbitsandbytes
@silvestronsbitsandbytes 3 ай бұрын
Based on comments from other users, it seems like a common fault in these Rampage carts for the Lynx, which is interesting!
@tobiaskraft6695
@tobiaskraft6695 3 ай бұрын
@@silvestronsbitsandbytes is it possible for you to melt the glue and change the eprom on a other Lynx Card? that is a opinion i think Greets from Germany ✋
@greensun1334
@greensun1334 3 ай бұрын
Still less fragile than a micro SD card...😅
@SylvesterAshcroft88
@SylvesterAshcroft88 3 ай бұрын
I forgot what a chunky boy the lynx was!
@MichaelMcCallum712
@MichaelMcCallum712 3 ай бұрын
Great to sell you my 32x today. Let me know how it goes.
@silvestronsbitsandbytes
@silvestronsbitsandbytes 3 ай бұрын
Great to meet you, looking forward to checking it out :D
@allyoucaneatchili
@allyoucaneatchili 3 ай бұрын
Depressing PCB for 1989. No solder mask, no silkscreen, no packaged ICs, no passives. While every company wants to turn a profit, Atari clearly wanted to squeeze that stone for every drop of blood.
@android01978
@android01978 3 ай бұрын
Why would you want to add to the cost? The fact that it’s a single chip that can fit on a card rather than gameboy multi-chip solution is brilliant.
@AgentLazarus
@AgentLazarus 3 ай бұрын
I don't get it. With a game this old we should be able to see the actual transistors or a shining grainy look. Wtf.
@Kawa-oneechan
@Kawa-oneechan 3 ай бұрын
The pinout on that thing is wack.
@eadweard.
@eadweard. 3 ай бұрын
You'd need to be more specific really.
@waroonh4291
@waroonh4291 3 ай бұрын
Epoxy Chip is unacceptable.
@johneygd
@johneygd 3 ай бұрын
I was actually expecting that you would also remove the epoxy to see what’s underneat it and maybe discover the issue of it as well,but sadly you didn’t go that far as of now,of well maybe next time.
@robertomoi2044
@robertomoi2044 2 ай бұрын
That accent lol
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