THIS Is What's Really Going On Inside Batteries! | Fully Charged Show Podcast with About:Energy

[@accesser]

Great to hear how he's sharing the data with Uni students, I hope we can all work together as humanity to find the best possible energy storage, its anyways played on my mind how patents on battery tech might hold us back from arresting climate change

[@mrbizi5652]

Agreed. Is there a website where we can sign up and get the API to get the data?

[@JayDee-b5u]

There's no such thing as climate change.

[@grahamcastle8189]

Another very professional, well researched and prepared for interview by Imogen. Her engineering background is a bonus as is her ability to provide easily understood analogies. What a stimulating and informative interview and that young man is going to go far in his career and he has a refreshing philanthropic outlook. Excellent

[@narvuntien]

Imgeon is such a good interviewer, it doesn't seem to jive with her bubbly personality but she throws in some tough questions.

[@clivemitchell3229]

I hate to have to say this but Imogen's engineering background, although not specific to batteries, means she understands what is being said and doesn't feel the need to jump in and ask for Noddy explanations all the time unlike so many interviewers who lack the high level of technical education. Plus her enthusiasm seems as genuine as it is infectious. The world needs more interviewers of her calibre!

[@t1n4444]

@@clivemitchell3229 Yes, but, you have neglected to consider viewers who don't have a tech background. Imogen should ask for explanations in simple terms (if possible) for clarity. Imogen is supposed to be an interface between guest and audience. Might you I suspect at times Imogen is bored witless ...who can forget her piece on "super efficient" storage heaters. We never did get an explanation of this "super efficient" thing. Most electrical storage heaters are well over 98% efficient and have been for decades. I refer to conversion of electricity to heat in the coils.

[@harrismedwell2386]

​@@t1n4444- Fully Charged's biggest fan ladies and gents.

[@showme360]

Thanks Imogen. When I embarked on the idea of home batteries, I too thought perhaps I should go to college and learn. Ha no couldn't find any such thing. So DIY its was and nearly 3 years later I have 31.5kWh of battery storage that I use in my home. They came as kit known as Seplos Mason 10.5kWh storage batteries. Its been a learning curve but very interesting none the least and owning them is not as simple as one would of thought. They do need maintenance i.e. charging and discharging from minimum to maximum once every 6 months, otherwise I try to keep them between 20% and 80%. So listening to the podcast has been very interesting, but at the grand age of 64 I might still consider a course to take even though I plan to retire next year.

[@lua-nya]

I do believe DIY LiFePo4 is the current way to go, those big prismatic cells they're making these days are real mice!

[@rtfazeberdee3519]

These "behind the scenes" interviews are great

[@chandtailor]

Imogen’s recent interviews are really good! Good addition to the team

[@adrianaspalinky1986]

Sodium ion! Yes! Now, please! 👍

[@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461]

🙋‍♂️THANKS IMOGEN🔋🔋🔋

[@winfriedtheis5767]

Thanks again, great episode! Particularly knowing there is a source for real battery data out there, which could be used by students is very valuable also for my profession in Data Science and Statistics!

[@allenglishknives6823]

I absolutely LOVE these videos! Can’t help thinking how valuable it is to have this type of information out there. Keep up the good work!

[@gazza595]

Thank you, that was brilliant interview, engaging and informative.

[@recumbentrocks2929]

Another fascinating interview. Imogen seems to know just the right questions to ask and About:Energy sound like just the company we need.

[@dandantheideasman]

What an outstanding guest - in absolute admiration and feel very inspired. Thank you 🙏

[@kfield11001]

Amother fantastic interview from Imogen. Really well researched and a great company to learn about. Having no engineering knowledge myself, this was fascinating and Gavin was very good at explaining it all!

[@bliers]

Super interesting, excellent interview, great subject. Thanks for making it fun!

[@johnsmedley8843]

Another brilliant podcast. I visited university college London and studied mechanical engineering.

[@samwilson2300]

Top interview as usual. 👍🏿

[@pdloder]

The analogy I think of for silicone in a battery is like a high clay content soil - expands when wet and contracts & cracks when drying out. 33:27

[@S_Curves]

Good content, great depth, but difficult to watch for some reason I can’t put my finger on, I had to have 3 10 minute goes and still have more to watch. The time line on this is really useful, thank you. It might be because there is so much technical depth touched upon.

[@Leopold5100]

another excellent podcast

[@adrianaspalinky1986]

Fantastic video 😀👍

[@koenraad4618]

What explains the huge progress made by the Chinese battery companies like CATL and BYD? A trial and error approach or a deep analytical/scientific approach? Dr White describes battery research as extremely complex material-science that takes time, so perhaps it is save to conclude the Chinese battery companies do a lot of trial and error research without tedious analytic scientific analysis, considering the fast and steady progress. I really hope Dr White's battery research will result in a big commercial "game changing" breakthrough, I have much respect for his career choices.

[@arkatub]

I imagine manufacturing quality has a lot to do with it, how evenly the electrodes are coated, how tightly the layers are wrapped, trial and error is the only way. It does seem that we over-value the science aspect while we under-value the engineering component.

[@Jeddin]

You should audit a university chemistry course and observe who the audience of students is. That should answer your question.

[@nick255]

The Chinese government does tend to infiltrate / steal and reverse engineer technology from other countries so that could be one explanation

[@frejaresund3770]

I have been enjoyed, so thank you for sharing.

[@clivemitchell3229]

Imogen's food and Gavin's sponges. Sponge cake analogy required!

[@antmoto6668]

Good info for down the pub conversations with sceptics.

[@t1n4444]

Yes and you'd lose.

[@antmoto6668]

@@t1n4444 🤣haha! er yeah ok pal. So you wrote this using a Chisel on stone did you? No, you used a computer and internet technology...thats called progress mate.

[@t1n4444]

@@antmoto6668 Unfortunately for your argument battery EVs are on the way out. The tech was just an evolutionary dead end. Doubtless we'll see a global reversal on phasing out fossil fuels until hydrogen fuel cell vehicles emerge in numbers. Very few governments will impose BEVs on their population if they want another term in office. If Trump got in again then the introduction of EVs might be reversed by Trump in favour of fossil fuel vehicles. Whatever Biden introduced would be gone on day one if Trump gets his way.

[@fredbloggs72]

Fascinating.

[@kimburt1930]

Excellent

[@BipoCosmo]

Subscribed. Thank you Dr. Gavin.

[@timmurphy5541]

Thanks very much. It's interesting to know more about batteries because we see so many technologies getting hyped up and then not really happening. Some of these obviously just take time to get from the stage of "promising under certain conditions" to "fully rounded, manufacturable and generally useful" as products but most of us don't understand why that happens (at least I don't) i.e. why do battery technologies of great promise take years to ever get near a car that I can buy? I'm a programmer and I am extremely familiar with people getting excited by a demo when the product is a long long way from being finished - I'm assuming it is equivalent in the battery world but it would be nice to know the causes.

[@philiphidson1007]

Interesting chat

[@dominicgoodwin1147]

But will we continue to maintain an academic lead when universities are so badly funded, and government trying to limit the number of foreign students who pay twice as much and thereby reduce university budgets still further??? And do we have a hope of scaling these companies when governments are consistently prioritising financial services over manufacturing?

[@charleswillcock3235]

The importance of batteries to the future of the UK might be lost on some people in the UK, but as electricity replaces oil for powering cars the most successful economies in the world will masters of making batteries. I do hope the UK can ramp up mass production sooner rather than later.

[@t1n4444]

Too much competition and everyone loses out as profits dwindle. Some countries have discontinued production of batteries ... perhaps Chinese will undercut any prices because of subsidies from their government. Then you end up with taffiffs slapped on imports. Is that the best solution?

[@charleswillcock3235]

@@t1n4444 There is competition in most industries - if the UK decided not to compete, if there was other competitors we would not do anything. We were not great at the Olympics until we had a change of policy and tried harder. Whilst I hope we can be friends with China there is a risk that they could attack Taiwan and that will severely disrupt the supply of all sorts of items including batteries.

[@rp9674]

Imogen!

[@jonathanw1787]

Great podcast 👏

[@davidwilkie9551]

By Observation, the spin orbital-orbits of holography-quantization atomic-node chemistry links potential energy release in the property of "Cold Fusion" and more typical batteries that are Lee's finely balanced resonance bonding. Haven't seen the Chocolate Factory stuff, but in other analogous representations of resonance arrangements, for the purpose of demonstrations to school kids, the manner in which you strike one set of strings on a Piano and watch the spread of vibration conduction and decay, ..this is interesting to watch for engineering minded teaching-learning people.

[@kinross24]

Hi Team, why do we still see and hear politicians and mainstream media STILL wasting time talking about Carbon Capture projects and funding when all science shows it’s a waste of energy and money as it’s minuscule compared to the effort required?

[@peterpusey3206]

Fascinating and insightful

[@GeladenBatteriepodcast]

Love it.

[@Trashed20659]

Violet Beauregard... ha ha. Outrages visuals are a well-known mnemonic device that aids in memorization. I saw a guy on a talk show once who had met every member of the audience before the show, then 20 minutes later went into the audience and greeted all 250 of them using their names. His secret was to create an outrages visual for each name and connect it mentally to each face. Some thing he learned to do instantly with practice.

[@Nissearne12]

How could we set up New battery manifacture facility how may have flexibelity to adapt or change to other battery chemist

[@M-TRON]

A sunny vibe with a priceless insider info 32:21, ending with the Smile of The Year contest winner 42:38

[@chrislong6818]

Another good interview by Imogen. I hate to make a (perhaps trivial) negative comment on the podcast, but how is someone who's just achieved a PhD unable to pronounce "manganese", or says "them" instead of "those". My supervisor and external examiner would definitely have picked me up on "them things". As a battery supporter, though, I still worry about comments from battery sceptics that "carbon capture will solve everything" and "hydrogen is the future"... I'm old enough to remember the latter being said in the 1970s, so I suppose at least it's been consistent over the years.

[@adrianaspalinky1986]

Oh, yes.... Sponge, i see it 👍

[@johnsmedley8843]

Imogen is a star, kind of like Clarkson, I hope she keeps pushing the green agenda.

[@mnhsty]

What’s the name of the AI company that was mentioned? It sounded like Monolith or Modalith or something. My American ears couldn’t quite make it out.

[@AdrianWhite-v3c]

Monolith AI ltd

[@carlishiggins]

my family friends will never vote labour again,, immediate priority mass pay rise for privileged sue gray and king charles, but no dignity pay rise for desperate disprivalaged, No change in our pockets keir starmer, u promised urgent proper living wage, fun bag vanity conference

[@christopheredginton6242]

If I could ask Keir Starmer anything I would say, in view of the UK’s independence from Europe due to Brexit and having no British car industry and no need to introduce tariffs to protect our long gone industry, why isn’t he on the phone to Elon Musk or Chinese companies like BYD, pleading with them to set up car, van and lorry factories here. Tesla, for instance, have just started to ramp up their construction of a Semi factory in Nevada and Europe will be a future market for these electric trucks. Instead of Germany getting in on the act like they did with the Berlin Gigafactory for cars, why not get him to set up here or the Chinese with some incentives as this is tha future of all these vehicles.

[@EVRealFacts]

Good insight but carefully sidestepped thermal runaway, open pit mining by kids, cobalt poisoning, the fact they have their own oxidizer so fire brigade cant extinguish them and my favourite, vapour cloud explosions!!

[@rtfazeberdee3519]

maybe because mos to that has f**k all to do with the subject

[@johncrispin2118]

Excellent conversation and extremely encouraging and enlightening, especially as an ex design and technology teacher with regard to the input into education . This is where our problems with technophobia in the UK is too entrenched in the whole nineteenth century (essentially) system which is what we have presently. Needs shaking out so engineers are held in high regard on par with the lawyers , city slickers et al .

[@M-TRON]

First take care of the 100+ years of toxic consequences kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6C5o3x-mMmroKM then worry about EVs that came yesterday. We have shorted ThunderSky (Winston battery) LFP cell to test what will happen - it just swelled. No smoke, no fireworks, nada! In other words, don't worry about EVs. ICE age is melting down, leaving behind toxic waste (oil spills, old filters and parts in landfills around the world, SMOG) that needs to be taken care of, so your activity matters.

[@EVRealFacts]

​@@rtfazeberdee3519 I'd say you have to address these facts or you're in an echo chamber and confirmation bias. There are massive downsides with these batteries such as an at scale disposal process...which does not exist. I'd rather not recreate Hinckley from Erin Brockovich thanks.

[@rtfazeberdee3519]

@@EVRealFacts but that is a totally different subject to this video, he does not make or design batteries. Look up battery recycling

[@dxutube]

PHD or no PHD LEARN HOW TO SPEAK WITHOUT UPWARD INTONATION! Imogen closes her phrases off naturally, he doesn"t & after 10 mibs it became so off-putting I couldn't listen to any more of this.

[@scottkolaya2110]

19:50 I love how some people think a reduction in capacity to 80% of the original makes a car unusable. For example, if my capacity reduced from 250 miles to 200 miles, I'd still have a car with 2 1/2 times the range of a brand new 2012 Leaf.

[@t1n4444]

Hmm ... suggest you research the topic so you understand the lithium chemistry. It's not quite so straightforward as you appear to believe. Plenty of info online as you might suppose. But it's not exactly a five minute read. This 80% figure can be misleading without the technical context.

[@scottkolaya2110]

@t1n4444 Thank you for the suggestion. It seems that thinking 80% was the cut off was quite old thinking. While it does degrade slightly faster, it still has many years of serviceable life.

[@t1n4444]

@@scottkolaya2110 The service life with reference to what service the battery is subject to might be worth considering. I gather some batteries are recycled into home storage units for mopping up solar power. Given the dangers of self ignition is that really a good idea. I rather like the notion of area storage using sodium ion tech. Not as efficient perhaps as lithium ion but no danger of self ignition, allegedly.

[@scottkolaya2110]

@@t1n4444 Here's what I know in real life. Not some theoretical discussion. I'm part of some very large EV groups that meet regularly. Many of them drive EVs that are over 10 years old. Many of the early Nissan Leafs they drive have battery degradation well below 80%. They just keep driving them till the range no longer meets their needs or they are woo'd away with a better model and sell their old one to someone else. They have indicators with 12 increments that's called the State of Health. The first increment is 15% degradation to make it look like it's at full health for longer, but the rest are proportional. The family up the road has been running theirs for their kids to go back and forth to school and work at about 50% SOH, for years now. That's what I mean by still serviceable. The whole car still works fine. It just doesn't have the range it used to.

[@pdloder]

34:38 I've never heard manganese pronounced like that - I presume he's saying manganese but switching the soft 'g' for a hard 'g'...? Anyone got another explanation? Edit: I looked it up and it is indeed 'manganese' in an LMFP battery... I also looked up the correct pronunciation and it is definitely not what he is saying. 😳