THIS is WHY We Don't Re-Use OLD Framing Lumber.. Ep. 5

Hey Gang. The framing stage is almost complete and it looks incredible! Lots of information in today's video. We love diving deep and answering questions that we all have when it comes to these things! Don't get us wrong, old lumber can be used for so many things! We check local recycling areas to see if they did anything with lumber (there was a place in southern California that sorted through and recycled old lumber) But we had no luck unfortunately. Thanks so much for watching!
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It's great that you stop and explain what is going on. It's also awesome that you show the headaches and problems you overcome. Thanks!

[@semperfi5861]

I'm in Minnesota and as a framer we glue floor sheeting, stair threads/risers, the bottom of every hanger, and lastly all interior/exterior bottom plates. A lot of people don't realize that the interior walls will squeak in time so we glue them down. Same thing with exterior walls. This also helps block the wind or draft's from entering the house in the winter. -30°/-50° isn't a good time when your house is drafty, lol. I've never heard of or seen anyone glue LVL's together or stud packs. Thanks for the video, guys. 👍🇺🇸😊

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I'm in Canada and I think northern climates like ours call for glue in situations where the south might not need them. But amen to stopping the squeak.

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@@larryroyovitz7829 That is true. I live in the Pacific Northwest. Just two hours outside of Vancouver, B.C. We get heavy winds and snow load here.

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@@kalijasin Nice. I'm in Manitoba. Not so bad for wind, but bad for low temps and heavy snow loads.

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Glue the "bottom of every hanger"? Never heard of that.

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[@TheFiremonkeyman]

very quickly one of my favorite home reno channels. I know I like to keep old framing lumber around for non-critical uses, such as building garage workbenches. I definitely don't want to reuse old framing lumber for new framing for the reasons you showed!

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That's the beauty of wood you can bend it and make it fit and nail it. Love that little air Hammer you have. My dad always said that with the right tools you can move the world

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[@ziejekz2290]

Haters? I'm all for concrete structures and brick. Or frame houses, where real sized material is used, and when it isnt a sponge (look at how many growth rings there is in those 4x4's), only way any fastener will really hold to it is a metal plate and bolt through it. Otherwise you can use a styrofoam, as long as "'screw goes 3 inches deep", thats ok according to the spec, right? And you can get dense styro too, so where is the problem?

[@carson911]

Love that you go through the specifics even down to the importance of following the nailing schedules as required by the manufacturer. Great job man.

[@peterdang9475]

I agree with not reusing old lumber for framing, there’s definitely some other uses for it in less critical applications especially since the price of lumber is through the roof now.

[@nwolinsP]

I reused a bunch of lumber. It was the old size slightly bigger and twice as heavy. I probably would use it for a supporting wall or anything structural important, but it holds screws just fine and I do think the wallboard will fall off. This saved me money and getting rid of the old wood. Also it was straight. BTW. I do not think there is a straight piece of lumber in my local box store.

[@xXAnchormonXx]

I like how you’re able to combine older fastening methods with new ones. There are many seasoned framers who won’t touch structural screws, the amount of time they can save makes it a no brainer.

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It really shows your experience with the setting of that beam. Thanks for sharing. Charles

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The solution for those joists with the 4x4s is perfect. Whoever built my house in the 60's did the "half on / half off" with my main floor joists at the sill plate. Now I'm starting to see cracked joists exactly where you'd expect. What a mess. Good video. I learned a lot.

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[@jackknife89actual]

On the topic of gluing: I am a designer of prefab wall panels and prefab trusses, in the North East US. As your engineer said, the only time they require us to glue anything is on truss repairs (in that case both gussets and scabs are glued). In all my years i have never seen glue as a requirement for beams or stud packs.

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Just a jab, but go Tigers, Auburn Tigers. Since the 2x6’s are only supporting the Sheetrock at such a small span on the cathedral ceiling side, that split wood fix is the way I would have went too. It’s going to look great once the drywall is finished and painted.

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A good example of adhesive use in residential is between the subflooring and the floor joists to prevent squeaking floors.

[@motor2of7]

Your engineers comments on gluing are spot on. Gluing in the field is a highly inconsistent process with highly variable results. You can’t make any engineering strength assumptions about the results of a field glued joint.

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[You can’t make any engineering strength assumptions about the results of a field glued joint.] I beg to differ, albeit factors have to be taken into consideration. Consider that in some instances, screwing, unless done with a torque break, can actually reduce the strength of the glue bond. I build structures held together with only glue and friction fit. Mechanical fasteners were eliminated in the prototype stage in my most successful designs. "In the field" if there's doubt as to the integrity of the glue/adhesive bond, you screw and glue. Adhesives will only add strength in critical situations. Airplanes, for instance, are bonded together.

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@@stephensaines7100 you’re comparing highly engineered and thoroughly tested situations (airplanes and such) to some guy squirting an unknown quantity of glue on a piece of wood with unknown moisture content, that might be clamped, or might not, or might be put under load before curing. I bet there’s a multi page procedure involved in the field joints you’re referencing. That’s very different. I built the airplanes you’re talking about and in my industry we don’t even allow friction to enter the calculations because the surface conditions are variable.

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@@motor2of7 friction calculations is a major part of aircraft design.

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@@asherdie it’s not allowed in spacecraft design.

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Lmfaooooo I lost it when you played neck Edit: I would block it. Not because of normal loafs or anything, but if a future contractor walks on it. Probably not necessary bc glue is strong, but when I do work I like to exceed expectations so I don't mind doing that kind of stuff

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Wow. I am learning so much. You are excellent at explaining the process and steps.

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Cool thx Bianca 👍💪

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Love Love the details with joist hangers and measuring roof load support boards.. We all look forward to the next video! Keep up the good work!!

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[@k.d.8924]

that glue generally cures harder than the wood grain. it's probably stronger now than when it was new.

[@joshuasimoneaux2375]

I like how you used those hangers I've only use that kind one time on a home project to attach a set of stairs to a deck. It worked really well.

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Details, Details... Smoothie King.. Looks interesting, wish they would be up north here in MN. Good job guys!!

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[@byugrad1024]

Whoever complains about that 2x6 repair with glue doesn't understand that wood glue forms a stronger bond than the wood itself. In other words, the repair is better than the original. To fail, it would have to break again in another spot. This is true for compression tension, and shearing forces. In short, people who have a problem with your repair don't know what the heck they're talking about. If that's their argument, by logic we should tear down all houses when the wood is over "x" years old -- a pretty ridiculous argument if you ask me. I just built a house and I'm shocked as what passed as "code" and got rubber stamped with approval of engineers. If I could post pictures here, you would not believe it. There has to be a river of dirty money flowing through our building commission. You are doing your customers a huge favor by taking the time to do it right, by the book, even if people who wrote the book or merely skimmed it don't know what they're talking about. There's "by the book" and then there's common sense. And unfortunately a lot of people are lacking in that area today -- except for a select few, like you.

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Much appreciated BYUgrad 👍👊

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That’s very good quality work. Focused on every minimum deatails lot to learn from. Thanks stud pack

[@scottgealow4136]

We did exactly the same to our house with a nearly identical floor plan! Love it being as open as it is now....we used 3" steel square tubing with plates welded to each end to support the beam.

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That’s going nowhere 👍

[@drumswest5035]

If you are a framing contractor get the Simpson Strong Tie catalog, the info in that is amazing, has the design criteria and everything they make in it. Im a structural draftsman and use it all the time with the engineers i work for.

[@commenter8360]

Hint for people using the Simpson Strong ties in awkward situations. Simpson makes a screw which is spec'd to replace the nails. This can come in very handy.

[@commenter8360]

@Philip B Good question. I won't go back to nails, just because I had an instance where i needed to take a hangar out and it was not fun with those nails, but I think the nails are cheaper. And a little bit adds up when you're putting in hundreds.

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Just thought I'd let you know, you're now my virtual dad, making Jordan my virtual brother. I love this channel.

[@johndoe1765]

THANK YOU LEARNED A LOT ABOUT ANGLES AND LOADS AND THE IMPORTANT.

[@pcatful]

Great framing and design sense.

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Thanks! Please keep sharing!

[@amunderdog]

I enjoy your real world content. In this video i see lots of excess material and wasted space to form a Mc Mansion. Really interesting looking at the guts of that structure.

[@damiensampson7323]

Gotcha Thank you for the explanation Paul, Makes sense. Keep up the great work guys.

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You are the best at explaining what your doing and why your doing it. Great job. I’m totally jealous of your relationship with your son👍 I wish I was that tight with my dad.

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Another Awesome video! The problem solving is what so many channels are missing.

[@MatthewJRedmond]

Looks great, very rugged indeed. I'm up in Vermont where we accumulate good snow loads and the only time I bother gluing beams together is when they're for a floor system and that's only to stop any possible speaking from them sliding past each other under a live load. Also Paul have you ever thought about picking up a Stanley Fubar? They work great for twisting crooked lumber where you need it. Not to mention the 1000 and 1 other uses. For as cheap as they are might be something to look into. I carry one on the left side of my pouches in a hammer holster all the time. Keep up the great work you guys 😁👍

[@johnmehaffey9953]

Yep we call it bridging across the rafters it holds everything together, and it certainly makes sense to keep all the beams on the same level, I used to drive every one to despair by eyeing the timber to get the straightest and best without knots in it

[@garbelfunkle]

I don't think I've seen people address comments to the depth you guys do, actually asking the engineer was a super nice touch. Interested more in what you meant about crowning, I know all wood has a bow, but I wasn't sure which way you wanted the bow to be. Anyways love the videos, makes it a good morning.

[@skiprope536]

Glue it and screw it. Great video guys. You are lucky to work with your dad. And dad is lucky too.

[@HisboiLRoi]

At 12;32 when you began explaining the issue with the tops of the 9' ceiling joists extending above the top of the LVL beam, my immediate thought was put a 4x4 on top of the LVL. Lo and behold!

[@finishfloorsllc.228]

Mr Poul you’re definitely a Master! Very good work and professional 👍🏼🤛🏼

[@llee4225]

Love your videos that are concise straight to the point. Just thinking an alternative to cutting the bowed rafter would be to sister a piece to have straight edge for the ceiling dry wall.

[@T.E.P.]

super great job on all this .... all the energy you put in this channel is really coming thru. also GREAT sound work.

[@marjoriejudge5348]

during both our renovations I provided a large igloo cooler filled w/ ice, power-ade drinks and bottled water - the mason's workers were especially appreciative for a cool drink in late August

[@fishsandwich610]

the video looks super clear. awesome job team.

[@richardbennett22]

Stud Pack and morning coffee what can be better than that. Thanks for showing, WHY We Don't Re-Use OLD Framing Lumber.... I was curious about that and now know it has served its purpose and RIP OLD Framing lumber. 👍

[@bolerdweller]

I used to do layout for a lot of modular building units. Engineers specified a glue pattern and fastener patern/layout on most beams in those buildings. We also weren't allowed to have those kinds of gaps in between plys in lvl build up beams, we had to glue up, sandwich, tack it and hammer flat before it was nailed off or tech screwed.

[@redviking5078]

As I am watching this, I can literally smell old lumber. I am fully immersed

[@JLange642]

You, Sir. do a fantastic job and I like your approach and work ethic! Well done!!!

[@StudPack]

Thx 👍💪

[@jameslebreton5989]

I really like the way you explained everything, keep doing what you are doing😀

[@JakePlisskin12]

I wish I could learn and work with a person or people with as much knowledge and experience as you guys.

[@Shadi2]

I would block & sister just in case someone wants to hang something heavy on the rafter OR a future contractor walks on the rafter.

[@cutipie977]

I've learned a lot of tips from You Two thank You!

[@shannonvaughan4385]

Another great video. I recently did a vaulted ceiling and could not find the angled hangers (big box stores 🙄). Sure would have made life easier.