This knitting and mug drama is so ridiculous

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Chapters
00:00 - Intro
01:47 - The Rhirhi Knits situation
06:49 - The Australian Strawberry Mug drama
19:08 - The Sock Obsession Yarns situation
28:23 - Outro

[@ginger_nspice]

Re the mug drama, I suspect that both women are telling the truth. They probably interacted with completely different blonde/brunette people and are confused now.

[@lemonmemories2348]

Haha probably

[@GilEdSa91]

Plot twist. Love it

[@citrusuny]

that'd be so silly i hope so

[@aimeekessell5022]

Nah, the one blonde didn’t even realize she picked a mug with two handles. That is called an unreliable narrator.

[@allisoncastle]

@@aimeekessell5022 ???

[@TheSlipperyNUwUdle]

The mug maker is free to sell her art at what ever value she sees fit. But at the same time, the tiktoker that bought the mug has a right to be honest about how she feels about the price. 🤷‍♀️ that’s just how business works.

[@beepboop756]

Literally. Like are you really gonna cry every time someone doesnt like your work

[@sbg1911]

Yeah, but she lied for drama. She knew damn well how much h it cost, BS

[@MosesSuppose]

“Well if I can make it myself, then I am entitled to do so” Well, yes!

[@Duckduckobtusegoose]

Literally like WHAT. If everyone was like her humans would’ve never advanced. Sharing information is such an important part of humanity and society

[@infinitivez]

No, I made the round thing! You cannot make the round wheel thingy! HOW DARE YOU! And no, I will not sell you the pattern to my round wheel! Only I shall ever have round things! 😏

[@goeatsanta5600]

like yes, that's literally the entire point of ANY fiber craft😭

[@futuristic.handgun]

That's literally what I said! If somebody has the ability to make something then they absolutely can make it. Lmao.

[@-xxMelissaxx-]

​@@infinitivez "only I shall ever have round things!" LOL 😂 Have a bad migraine, about to get a second shot of sumatriptan for it and I'm miserable but your comment made me giggle 😂

[@MCheekyBrunette]

Everyone is missing the point. Soph doesn't say her mug isn't worth 125 AUD. She just implied she wasn't intending to spend 125 AUD on a mug and did so in a moment of social anxiety. She was saying "I made a mistake" not "fuck Shelby's shitty mugs"

[@ummm1444]

THANK YOU. Original video had nothing to do with the creator of the mug, she wasn’t even called out

[@jaybee4118]

It doesn’t really matter. She emphasises how “small” it is several times. She demeans it as a kids sippy cup. Then the shock at $125 does end up saying it’s not worth $125. That together with the mentions of it being tiny does have the direct effect of saying it’s not worth it.

[@suicideshy451]

Ty!!

[@garconette]

@@jaybee4118 the cup truly is small and the two handles definitely makes it look like a kids' sippy cup. Not sure why that's considered a "demeaning" description of the item. Also, 125$ for any mug is outrageous- and definitely not "worth it" for virtually anyone. I don't know what's so wrong about her venting about it

[@informitas0117]

Maybe a parent or a trusted friend should hold the card for her so she doesn't feel pressured to buy things she doesn't want, by a stall vendor talking to them.

[@nekofrau]

why do they be beefin, just craft

[@clairebarnes9873]

The craft side is wild,there is a KZbin channel I think her name is Emma that covers it all,it’s a crazy side lol.

[@1sleepyguy42o]

​Yes, Emma in the moment. There's at least enough drama to base a KZbin channel on, with pretty consistent uploads too, if that's any metric ​@@clairebarnes9873

[@hitfasthithard]

Well said!

[@rantsofafangirl7000]

Crafting is the most toxic community. I like crafting for therapy but am too scared to share anything

[@citrusuny]

dude im in quite a few craft communities its so dramamtic i love watching it LOL

[@Octokitt666]

Honestly piss poor take on the mug situation. She isn’t saying she was FORCED into buying it, that she only saw the price on the card machine at the moment of coming to pay, and that when it’s THAT late in the game it’s genuinely so uncomfortable to back out of a purchase so she just bought it anyway.

[@Ccb23283]

agreed, that was a horrible take on the mug situation, the fact that the mug seller made a whole video seeping with emotional manipulation is insane thats the only thing i dislike about the entire drama

[@Jessica-tx6xx]

Also whats insane is that she didn’t even mention the business by name + the business owner made that response like. MONTHS after.

[@piyam5948]

I dunno who buys something without noticing what it looks like or the price? And she definitely insinuated it was too expensive at that price, so why claim she didn't mean that?

[@niecey89]

@@piyam5948 plenty of people buy things without realising the price and I suspect the way it was displayed meant she couldn’t see it had two handles and she probably just pointed to what she liked and the person who served her picked it up and wrapped it without Soph really paying close enough attention to notice the second handle.

[@user-sg6ww7ts6n]

your tone with the mug story felt really inappropriate and unnecessary. been a viewer for a bit but that was weird, dude. “how stupid do you have to be?” chill out, genuinely. its tiktok drama.

[@user-sg6ww7ts6n]

as a woman viewer, hearing you say that about a woman you do not know felt gross.

[@rainyyyyyyy648]

Agreed! It was so out of character for the way he usually addresses stories he covers

[@victoriaskully]

Exactly he was so biased and so rude about her. Like dude get a grip you weren't there you don't even know these people and he thinks he's some kind of incredible video maker when he didn't even do good research He's just judging this soph girl and thinking everybody will agree with him when nobody is honestly horrible video

[@ace_xae]

@@user-sg6ww7ts6n you may need to chill out too because what? maybe he was a bit mean that's all

[@ollieollieoxenfree3246]

@@user-sg6ww7ts6n as someone who can't spend money with careless abandon; i had the same thought as him. if you agree to buy something without knowing the price and not even knowing what it looks like? that's pretty dumb lmao

[@repulseiv]

I disagree with your take on the mug drama. I've been at conversations where I know I'll be spending money. If a price is high, I'll still swipe to support the small businesses, even if the price is steep and surprising. There have also been times when I've purchased an item without realizing exactly how it looks. Its okay for the seller to be defensive about the price, but its also okay for the buyer to be shocked by it.

[@victoriaskully]

I agree such a weird take and he was being rude

[@victoriaskully]

what do we expect from Nick is not Green's brother Nick himself is extremely biased and does awful research

[@Alena-cq1ze]

​@@victoriaskully are they actually brothers?

[@victoriaskully]

@@Alena-cq1ze yeah he says that also go back to his later videos look at the beginning and you'll see Nick in his videos

[@victoriaskully]

@@Alena-cq1ze they're easy to see cuz Nick's picture is in the actual thumbnail with him

[@dnice4425]

I’ve made the genuine mistake of grabbing something at a farmers/craft market without looking at the price… I thought it would be reasonably priced (and was even prepared to pay a little more bc it was hand made), but the same exact thing happened where the artist wrapped up the product and I honestly felt pressured (by myself) to pay especially since they were so nice lol and i didn’t want to offend them. now did i pay $100+ ? no. But my point is: it happens :/ lesson learned

[@lemonmemories2348]

I've been in this exact situation haha fortunately it was clearly labeled - not that they should lower their prices but like I'm too broke for these markets haha

[@Kaileighblue]

I think a lot of people prey on it too. They know/can read if someone will be a pushover.

[@KassinaIllia]

You can change your mind. You're not obligated to buy anything and the person selling it to you probably won't remember you 10 minutes after the interaction.

[@faceofvision]

​@@KassinaIllia let's remember that anxiety has nothing to do with rationality. Plus the owner of the business claims she knew the buyer and was congratulating her, so she'd definitely remember her

[@jaybee4118]

@@Kaileighbluemost handmade goods in markets are wildly underpriced. So, no. Absolutely not.

[@usagi32211]

I get so annoyed with people complaining about people copying their crafting ideas. If you don't want your work replicated, don't post it online. There is very little that people won't be able to figure out or reverse engineer from pictures especially when it comes to knit and crochet. When I post pictures of cross stich pieces that I've designed, I fully expect that someone will try to replicate it, whether I ever hear about it or not, and I don't care. Crafting is a community effort. Everyone learns from someone else, and the evolution of the craft is from the sharing of information.

[@Ruby-xk8kn]

I post my crafts online with the intention to give people ideas to copy!!! Its flattering as fuck if someone does.

[@hello_again9149]

I think it's fine as long as they don't copy a really unique piece (that obviously comes from someone else) AND sell it

[@hello_again9149]

AND take credit for the pattern (all those together)

[@caseyw.6550]

Perfect comment. No notes. 10/10

[@killergrooves2438]

It’s like if The Ramones got mad at some local band for covering “Blitzkrieg Bop” at some bar show.

[@Duckduckobtusegoose]

I gotta admit, the way you’re talking about the girl making a haul video and saying she didn’t realize the price? She didn’t mention the brand at all or criticize anything. Why are you speaking as if she’s a bad person for speaking for 20 seconds about a mug she bought with no indication of where it was from. You saying she’s a liar over and over again has kinda just pushed me away as a subscriber. You are stating this as a fact, when it’s an opinion with no back up. I really liked a lot of your content, but damn.

[@sophiab6239]

Same, reminds me of the style of video his brother Nick does

[@msSweeTae]

Same... and I just found his channel. He seemed trustworthy to me and I'm glad I watched another video about this topic before watching his. Now I'm not so sure anymore. But my issue isn't exactly the video, because all commentary channel have a video like this, but the lack of acknowledgement from his side is what bothers me. He keeps on going without clarification or an update video.

[@kitsterangel]

Same!! He usually makes well researched videos but he lost me on this one. Like you've never felt too bad to say no and bought something, congrats! I've definitely overpaid for stuff bc I didn't know how to turn down a pushy vendor esp if they're nice but pushy, and that's fully a me problem, and similarly Sophie was complaining about her own bad purchase and never mentioned the brand at all, the other lady responded more than a month later out of nowhere ??? And her video is so forced....

[@nichole9818]

It's super unprofessional that Shelby made a response video to be begin with. Even if Sophie was genuinely criticizing the product (she wasn't), if you are selling something, people have the right to voice their opinions on it without it being taken as a direct attack against the artist themselves. She wasn't even being rude lol

[@dakotamitchell1339]

Garbage opinion. Artists have the right to voice theirs as well

[@lemonmemories2348]

I agree - the response was so condescending and if she wanted to address it she could have offered a refund privately it's not like Soph named the company

[@smileydragon99]

@@dakotamitchell1339there is a book tok saying that’s I’ve seen tossed around - reviews are not made for the artists, it’s for their managers or a close friend to watch and synthesize :) when you are too close to your art it leads to situations like this where Shelby made a goof of herself when she could’ve just let it go and no one would’ve known

[@nichole9818]

​@@dakotamitchell1339 Shelby's "opinion" was essentially just publicly shaming a customer for having an opinion that wasn't strictly positive about her products, making it seem like a personal attack against her rather than a review. As an artist who has sold works of my own as well, if you are putting a price tag on your work and selling it to people, you have to accept that not everyone is going to value it the way you do. Going after specific customers for not thinking highly enough about your product IS unprofessional, could you imagine your local pizza shop posting about you online because you mentioned briefly, without even mentioning them by name, that you're not fond of their portions? If she just needed to vent, she could have done so without addressing sophia directly (Like soph did) but starting beef with customers is silly lol

[@elliefield7407]

@@dakotamitchell1339 sure, but soph didnt mention what business she even got it from. literally 30 seconds of her explaining that she was shocked at the price. if shelby hadn't have stitched the video, no one would have even made the connection. blew the whole thing out of proportion.

[@erick7895]

The response from the girl who bought the mug was bad but her original video had nothing to give all this attention, the one who sold it responded in a very manipulative way, it's not that deep, she didn't even mention her business. just dumb!

[@lemonmemories2348]

Especially cause the initial clip was apart of a 7 min vid of her just chit chatting about different things she has brought - the creator took it way too personally

[@HeadsetShiba]

​@lemonmemories2348 yeah that's what I was thinking, this drama wouldn't have continued if the mug maker didn't add themselves to the situation. Like no one knew it was you until you announced it.😅

[@lizek3515]

I think some of Shelby’s fans saw Soph’s video and asked if that was one of her mugs, so that’s probs how it came to her attention originally. Still, Soph didn’t mention Shelby’s business

[@ladybugspritz]

shelby was sadfishing so hard! i’m glad the comments agree

[@Evelyn_2401]

​@@ladybugspritz😂😂😂 as if

[@Super_Celery_]

Great video! but i just feel like you have a bias against Soph because you are extrapolating things she did not say in her video and i don’t think this interpretation is accurate to what happened

[@lemonmemories2348]

Right and I feel like the initial clip being apart of a 7 min video is important - just a girlie chit chatting about what she brought not an attack - that was my reading of the situation anyway

[@Dani-tt9gz]

Agreed

[@sbarron20]

100% has a bias against Soph basically saying she’s lying multiple times.

[@ladybugspritz]

@@lemonmemories2348and i’d be laughing about it too! look how tiiiiny this cute mug is but $80?! she’s not considerate of why it may have two handles but she’s human, perhaps not thinking too hard about it while she’s just chatting about a tiny expensive mug! shelby gives me weird vibes.

[@sam-ib6lk]

yeah and he left out all of the later context that came out like how the mugs were behind the sellers and the handle was hidden

[@bekahsierra7313]

I think she’s fully within her rights to say the mug is overpriced. The small business owner didn’t need to say anything. This didn’t need to be drama.

[@chloeyay]

i agree, and the way the business owner tried to passive aggressively come for her was cringe. like she really tried to get people on her side by saying it’s supposed to be easy to use for people with disabilities.

[@franbow8886]

I agree, and the way the business owner made a response video even though no names were dropped seems a bit shady. on the website of the business the mug is actually 130.00$ which in my opinion is way overpriced especially for a small mug that she claims she made for people with disabilities which brings into question if its made for people with disabilities shouldn't the price be more affordable and why bring those specialized mugs to the farmers market and sell it to the General Public that most people do not have the disability that u specifically made those mugs for

[@rachaelkelly6887]

i dont think enough research went into the whole mug drama because soph is mostly right. The mugs were behind the table and it for sure looks like only one handle. Also shelby's friend helped at her store or something but there are pictures of her and a brunette person behind the table like soph described. Also, when you are more wealthy, you don't look at the price of things like a mug because even if it is "handmade" it would be like $40. I put handmade in quotes because she uses a mold and it isn't hand thrown like a lot of other ceramic mugs from small businesses do.

[@lemonmemories2348]

I agree I think missing out that the initially clip was from a 7 min vid makes it seem way more targeted

[@victoriaskully]

Exactly his take was extremely wrong extremely biased and he was a jerk honestly I don't think a lot of people know but he's a Nick is not Green's brother who's another commentator who's extremely rude extremely biased and is in allot of drama

[@rachaelkelly6887]

@@victoriaskully yeah i used to watch nick but he changed a lot. i think he is getting better but a lot of austin's takes are misguided. i hope he sees the right comments and reflects

[@victoriaskully]

@@rachaelkelly6887 exactly and actually reflects and tries to do better and not be such a try hard

[@mckenna9764]

Austin I really think you need to look into the mug story, I think you’re missing a lot of

[@bluebear74]

Didn’t even mention that she uses mould which require a lot less effort and makes them not worth $120.

[@Ashbrash1998]

​@@bluebear74Idk a lot of.people have said that suing molds aren't as easy as people think it is compared to a wheel

[@mckenna9764]

@@Ashbrash1998 Agreed. I think the bigger issue is the timeline of when events happened and soph’s intial video not even really dragging the product down in the haul. They clip is only a tiny fragment of the entire thing

[@informitas0117]

Influencer can't hold on to her own money, buys expensive mug. Mug seller sell expensive mugs no one should buy, offers to take back mug. End of drama.

[@ladybugspritz]

@@informitas0117what about small business owner responds directly to a video not mentioning her shop by name, albeit a bit insensitive separately but included as part of a larger haul, calling out a customer and acting as though they have been slandered rather than allowing others to have their flippant opinions, in which she creates an issue where there was not one, garnering attention for her shop through pity and tiktok mob mentality. i don’t think soph is very smart, but i think she was joking around on her account and had this clip used as fodder for a nonexistent feud. that is a bad business practice on shelby’s part, especially as she cannot be uneducated as to how her following would react.

[@elitadunn24]

I can totally see how she didn’t realize the price before buying a MUG. I once bought a laptop case from the Apple Store and I was so overwhelmed in there I didn’t look at the price until I got home. Here I was thinking I was paying TOPS $20 for it because why would it be more than that it’s 2 flimsy pieces of plastic… but it was $95!! Immediate return lol

[@informitas0117]

She commented on seeing the price because buying it.

[@maizymaizy]

Okay, but if she isn't providing patterns, the person recreating it is the one who has to draft the pattern and do the sampling for a whole new piece, so she can't even claim that. If I made the coolest patchwork pants in the world and I inspired someone else to make the coolest pair of pants in the world the sequel, it doesn't take away from the og cool pants, it just means more cool pants exist. Also, as an artist, my ideas and your ideas are not as original as we think they are to begin with. Being inspired by other people's work is part of the deal, and having others be inspired by you is a good thing. She isn't even losing money in any way, the only reason I see for her to get so upset is that she thinks she gets to own a nebulous concept (which if you pay attention to enough tiktok drama from any space involving creatives, you know that is a great way to earn a ratio. you have creative rights as an artist but by now we should all know you can't own just a concept)

[@frankensteinlives]

I would happily watch "the coolest pair of pants: the sequel" every day of my life

[@futuristic.handgun]

Yeah, she's not losing any money, in fact she had the opportunity to make money. Some people man. Smh.

[@Looserman0204]

Like soossosoososo well worded ty for this

[@jequirity1]

Also, she takes inspiration from vintage patterns. Apparently it's only inspiration when she does it, everyone else is just copying.

[@hotmesslex18]

idk i think that soph girl is right to get irritated at shelby for making a “response” video. in soph’s original video she said nothing bad about the mug and more focused on the fact that she wasn’t paying attention to the price until she was given the total, and at that point she felt too awkward to back out. she waited in a long line just to look at the shop and probably felt like waiting all that time would have been for nothing if she didn’t just go through with the purchase. that’s happened to me before (albeit not $125 for a mug!!!! that’s crazy lol but i obvi don’t have influencer money like her) and i just take the l and continue with the purchase. she didn’t name the shop or even say that anything was wrong with it, just that she didn’t realize there were two handles and she was embarrassed at how much she spent on it just to avoid an awkward situation. i think that shelby took it too personally and blew it out of proportion by making it a personal attack against her and her business. also not for nothing but it seemed like she went out of her way to garner as much sympathy as possible and try to look like a victim of bullying or something when really she inserted herself into a complete non-issue. she got her money and sold a piece, idk what the issue is!!

[@AirConditioner402]

Honestly I can believe that she made that mistake of not knowing the price, because sometimes when you're in a rush or you're in a market where there's all sales you kind of assume that everything would be fairly priced, at worst a little above average but nothing outrageous.

[@Musicanimedork01]

But at a specialty handcrafted ceramics booth 125 Australian $ is not an exorbitantly high price? That's pretty standard pricing for a craft fair

[@leet8519]

@@Musicanimedork01 a small tiny thing like that.. i would be shocked too

[@sam-ib6lk]

​@@Musicanimedork01all the other ceramics artists at the fair had cheaper prices all under $100 for a mug while also being hand thrown instead of Shelby's slip molds

[@Diamond1234]

Also the fact that she didn't see that it had two handles like look at the whole product before you buy it.

[@faceofvision]

​@@Musicanimedork01it's not fully handcrafted btw

[@ajotinha1655]

nah mug maker lady is wrong, her response video was so dramatic and victimized, especially considering that the buyer didnt even mentioned her store name or anything, so lame

[@TheresaMunezXo]

With the mug drama, you have a very interesting take. I think the problem isn’t she bought a mug without knowing the price, soph didn’t make fun of the mug. It’s a stereotypical gift haul and from the 7 mins of the video, the cup is a tiny portion where she said she didn’t know who to gift it to because it’s small and she made a passing comment about the price, never saying it isn’t worth it. Shelby imo overreacted because soph never said the business she bought the mug from, or discredited their work. So it’s fascinating how snarky your take on soph is. Like it’s a messy story but it’s just a case of she said she said but using the the initial video as the “trigger”, Shelby’s response seems slightly unwarranted because no critique was made towards her business. If anything the initial video can just be chalked down to Soph’s interesting spending habits but beyond that, what I got from her video was she couldn’t figure out who to gift the mug to 🤷‍♀️

[@lemonmemories2348]

Yeah I feel like the context of it being in 7 min is important - it was an offhanded explanation of something she brought with a story of how she was to awkward to back out which is relatable - it's very interesting which KZbinrs leave out what info Obviously not deep at all just vaguely interesting

[@littlered6340]

I feel this way about several of the takes in this video ngl, it almost feels like he didn't get context for some of these before responding. Anyway, I agree with you.

[@SheMumbles]

Was looking for this comment. Ngl I was side eyeing some of these opinions prettyyyy hard

[@yeeyeeyeeye]

"Interesting"? Nah, it was just a bad take.

[@lawnlamb1914]

Ok, so i watched Annamarie Forcino, on the mug, and she showed a picture from instagram (I can’t remember but I think it was insta) and the mug was at an angle that you couldn’t see the second handle, but it’s also in an accessible collection, so it should be an accessible price

[@frogsquared7867]

handmade artwork really is more like a luxury good than a necessity, so while I do think it is overpriced, art isnt accessible (for good reason often)

[@Ashbrash1998]

Doesn't she lower the price for those mugs compared to her other ones?

[@snoopysnacks]

What the heck is an "accessible price?"

[@stedydubdetroit]

4:21 lol girl says “I really hate social media” as she posts a really long text on social media.

[@Pure_Lard]

fr like if you hate it so much….. why are you here?

[@Resyektt]

@@Pure_Larddid you not read her post? She has to make a living somehow! Sarcasm obviously lol 😂

[@Pure_Lard]

@@Resyektt yea lol cause there's only one possible way to make money

[@avery4818]

quitting social media is a LOT harder than it sounds for a lot of ppl so idk how much of a valid own this is. i hate it too but i still use it. oh well.

[@Pure_Lard]

@@avery4818 obviously it's a lot harder than it sounds, but she literally made the choice to start her business ON social media

[@aday4evr]

bizarre that you took the mug makers side on this

[@ceceduvall3832]

Yeah this video was a bit disappointing tbh, it felt poorly researched. There were many details missed. Like how it was positioned so she couldn't see the second handle.

[@estellejohnson6077]

@@ceceduvall3832i mean he is nick green’s brother, i guess it might run in the family :/ disappointing nonetheless

[@seweratwitch]

@@estellejohnson6077 UGH i didn't realize he's nick's brother. i don't know how i didn't notice his last name and similarities. nick is nasty, this has me second-guessing watching austin's videos if he takes influence from him, consciously or not.

[@victoriaskully]

Yeah awful take very biased horrible video

[@Mushyberri]

How long did you take to research this video because I feel like some of your commentary isn’t well informed

[@victoriaskully]

Exactly this video was awful he's extremely hateful very biased honestly he should just delete this video because it's one of his worst ones

[@monetalexander5891]

Lmaooo yall are cute

[@tech-know7307]

Why would Austin care about being accurate when he knows he'll be okay with you watching his entire video just to complain about his deliberate business model?

[@StephyTheKitchenWitch]

I feel like some of this "gatekeeping" is SO weird. I understand being super proud of something you have worked on and created but I literally had someone freak out on me once because I made trivets using yarn sold by a REALLY popular online brand and apparently I "copied their design"...it was a single stitch....

[@cha0ticneutralbigs]

Unfortunately this attitude is very common in the artist and textile communities

[@orialweana5964]

I'm kind of conflicted because it's also their business, it's not just their hobbies, so to have the exclusivity make their brand more interesting. But I feel like creator like that shouldn't take part in drama, it never goes well for them.. Like can't they share their work and basta ? Why some of them feel the need to trash others. I can kind of understand the yarn story, but the pattern one I can't. For the mug, the drama makes no sens, it's drama for drama

[@noelanisinclair1520]

there’s been a few times where I didn’t notice the price of something until I went to pay and bought it anyways because I felt stupid… not sure why you sided against this sophie girl but I think she’s likely telling the truth and it was unprofessional for the business to respond like that

[@walmartcatboys]

Your take on the mug situation was HORRENDOUS bro, it genuinely pissed me off for a sec lmao😭

[@VonVikoGoat]

REAL it pisses me off soo much because another youtuber made a video where she shows the prices of mugs on other booths had AND THEY WERE WAYYY CHEAPER. Like is he saying soph couldn't have said something like "oh in that last booth x mug was like x amount of dollars so i guess this tiny mug is gonna be way cheaper"

[@victoriaskully]

Exactly and he's probably not going to even own up and just push under the rug

[@Applebottompants]

I think “Shelby” is the one in the wrong. Her entire statement was redolent of a person making themselves out to be a saint. She didn’t even get mentioned by name

[@Jessica-tx6xx]

YES. Shelby wasn’t mentioned but name + she made that response video at least a month after Sophs video.

[@Jessica-tx6xx]

*by

[@melimsah]

I can understand her stance, because as an artist, your work feels personal, and only you know how much time you put into something.

[@189pac]

The jokes seem a smidge mean spirited today than usual

[@sweetst1nk1]

right?? he went in kinda hard on the first story abt soph and was like woah! taken right out of my calm viewing/listening and not in a fun way :,)

[@victoriaskully]

Exactly he was rude disrespectful and completely being hateful against soph. Honestly it's an awful video I'm just being honest

[@koryngalen6228]

Acting like his brother smh

[@redcup5234]

​@@sweetst1nk1don't like don't watch

[@redcup5234]

​@@victoriaskullydon't like don't watch simple as that

[@angpdx]

I went to college for small business and holy shit these people need to take a business class. This is soooooo unprofessional. If you are publically beefing with customers over something this stupid you are NOT getting my business. I'm gen z so my level of what I find "professional" is soooo fucking low. Like I don't understand how all these influencers get mad when they influence someone????? Like isn't that the whole fucking point. I think all the business above need to take multiple days and think before they post some of these videos and stories. That being said, do I consume all of it? I love r/craftsnark I look forward to reading it every day lol

[@ElvenHeart457]

Exactly! You never do this to customers. She should have just dm'ed the op and offered a return label if she didn't want the mug/was unhappy with the price

[@fioregiallo]

👀 if I may, I suggest to you r/hobbydrama. It's so good. Lol

[@SpecialInterestShow]

Tbh, I almost feel like the mug crafter did it to cause drama and draw attention to her shop. I mean, she definitely has more attention now!

[@allisoncastle]

Wtf is this take on the mug drama?? Absolutely awful.

[@Ronniethegoblin]

I’m baffled rn that they would have this take and be so wrong yet so loud abt ut

[@shayna8324]

nah his take is pretty great except for his comment about the price not being worth it since thats hella subjective

[@emmajay2401]

Ceramics tend to be very expensive, my Aunt isn't social media famous but well known in her local area. She specializes in wheel thrown, hand painted porcelain. Her mugs and plates for 40-55 USD. Her big vase like jars are around 250 USD. The pricing isn't crazy to me, just crazy someone wouldn't notice the pricing until they were swiping their card.

[@sbg1911]

Ceramics are a TON of work, If you want to actually make it look good. And it's people think they're expensive then they basically can't afford it, and that's okay. In today's ceramic market I think your aunt should actually raise her prices

[@rainyyyyyyy648]

But the mug lady isn’t throwing and molding, she’s using slip cast molding which requires way less time, technique and finesse to get your object out. Of course it still needs to be glazed and painted but we cannot pretend wheel thrown stuff and cast stuff should be valued similarly

[@AirConditioner402]

Honestly I can believe that she made that mistake of not knowing the price, because sometimes when you're in a rush or you're in a market where there's all sales you kind of assume that everything would be fairly priced, at worst a little above average but nothing outrageous.

[@ceceduvall3832]

@@rainyyyyyyy648 Yeah exactly, if she was wheel throwing them I'd agree with the price but she's not. She's just glazing and painting (a super simple design too) so I think $125 is too much.

[@nicolelovespiee]

@@rainyyyyyyy648 slip casting is still quite the process!! molds can be tricky to store, care for, and work with, and the amount of losses you can have throughout the process is pretty high. getting a uniform look is also unexpectedly tricky in a multi piece uniform collection. not only that, but after the pieces are demolded you have to then go through several rounds of smoothing the piece in different ways. also, even if the design is on the simpler side, it’s still all hand painted and designed!! i agree throwing and slipcasting aren’t the same process by any means, but both are difficult processes imo!!

[@elliefield7407]

the mug thing was so ridiculous. soph clearly just didnt remember the interaction well, tapped her card without thinking and was a bit shocked. in my opinion, in the og video, she did absolutely nothing wrong. she spoke about it for probs 30 seconds, she didnt name and shame the business, she simply expressed being a bit shocked (as i think most people would be, albeit before you actually tap your card but maybe she's just better off than me lol). shelby blew it out of proportion, made it into drama for really no reason. its pretty unprofessional, sure you can be a bit hurt that someone dislikes your pricing, but maybe just accept it and either adjust your prices or stay firm with your product. soph's response however, i dont think she helped herself at all.

[@lesliefluette1784]

The strawberry mug drama is so stupid. I’m with Soph on this one. I would 100 percent be the person to not pay attention to the price of a mug only to be completely shocked as it’s rung up bc who the hell would think a mug could possible cost that much??

[@MmmKayHuuNay]

mug maker lady stole designs from other artists, you completely misread the drama there, there's so much MORE!

[@jimmjimms]

yeah I think he gave this one a bad read. its totally possible for her to have pointed out one on a shelf and never have touched it herself. I belive that over the mug makers story of telling EVERY customer all this very detailed info about everything. she was excited for a sale and rushed it along, I do not think in malice but the influencer didnt even mention whos shop it was so clearyl she wasnt tryin to stsrt drama. both are a bit of a mess.

[@becky7603]

haven't heard that part before, link ?

[@louloudigiuseppe4755]

ya I really don't like his take here! shelby's video was unprofessional and I'm surprised austin was anti soph here

[@OkamiLyra]

@@jimmjimms He didn't even cover the fact that she mug was at a very specific angle and the second handle was literally not visible. Definitely dropped the ball on that story, and made the party who's in the right out to be an idiot or like she's more in the wrong than the mug lady.

[@lizzyblitz07]

​@@OkamiLyrathis is seeming like a familiar recent decline in content and accuracy. I really hope he doesn't follow in his brothers footsteps, and he starts doing more research now

[@terry9639]

I’m sorry right or wrong, these artists are extremely unprofessional. The oversharing is very odd and I don’t see why anyone would find it productive. Regardless of the mug situation, apparently the review was months before the response, I could not imagine being so butthurt over a bad review after swindling 125$ from someone for a mug. The yarn dye thing does lean on the artist’s side but why would they ever share it? I just don’t understand why they want to share so much with their customers, just makes them look super messy

[@snoopysnacks]

Not sure if you know what the word "swindling" means.

[@informitas0117]

The mug seller didn't swindle anyone, the buyer needs to have a parent hold her card if she got so anxious by talking to the seller. Is the mug ridiculously expensive and no one should by one? Yes. Yes it is. But that is not the question.

[@VonVikoGoat]

kinda shady how that disability mug was more expensive than her other mugs. idk if she was sol behind disability and stuff she would price it the same

[@yvettemartin9703]

TBH her saying that it's a disability mug made me angry, because why are you pricing it that high if it's aimed for people who are already struggling in the first place? And then finding out that her mugs are literally just poured into molds and all she did was painted in those strawberries and then glazed, it's definitely way too overpriced.

[@Vonononie]

The double handled mug is A$10 cheaper than her single-handed mugs. All her pieces are expensive, she didn’t just price than one piece up

[@darkgirl222]

The mugs were placed so some of them you had to ask for. So the strawberry mug was behind the counter, she had to ask for it and then it sounds like it was wrapped up right away. People had pictures of the display.

[@Tati_ab]

This feels like a very Jake Doolittle esque take on the mug. Idk where you think she made fun of the mug for having two handles or saying they made her buy it. She literally says “well I could’ve not bought it” hope I enjoy future videos more

[@pinkkrystalz7610]

Because Soph called the dignity mug for "little kids." Which comes across as abelist and infantilizing even if that wasn't her intention.

[@allisoncastle]

@@pinkkrystalz7610 Obviously she didn’t know it was a mug for people with disabilities.

[@Tati_ab]

@@pinkkrystalz7610 saying something is for kids, when it looks like something traditionally for kids is not ableist. We can’t just throw that word around whenever someone says something we don’t like.

[@pinkkrystalz7610]

@@Tati_ab I didn't say it is abelist, I said it comes across that way. Learn how to read and comprehend then calm down. 💁‍♀️

[@pinkkrystalz7610]

@@allisoncastle Then she shouldn't have wasted money on something she obviously didn't need based on an impulse buy. That's on her.🤷‍♀️

[@elyonum]

Nah im leaning towards mug buyer here- im distracted as all hell and accidentally bought things that were a little pricier than I imagined. I felt it was 7 seconds of “whoah what a ditz moment ammirite guys? I’m used to mass market pricing and didn’t consider the handmade mug would be this price. Lesson learned! Anyway…” and it was blown out of proportion by the seller who wasn’t even mentioned in the original video in the first place 🤷‍♀️

[@ericrobins5188]

You can't gatekeep, if you share your designs with millions. That's like saying, you can't sing your favorite song because it is disrespectful to the original song. Karaokes night would be dead.😂😂

[@Georgia_Lou.]

As a fellow crafter ….. WHY ARE CRAFTERS ALWAYS SO ANGRY?!

[@rantsofafangirl7000]

My theory is that we are chronically online coz we are home crafting and get sucked into online culture over real world things.

[@eyre23e]

you didnt have all the sides of the story and were unnecessarily harsh to soph regarding the mug drama. annamarie forcino has a good video on this. really disappointing because ive been excited to see what youve been working on as an up and coming youtuber.

[@user-gx4qj4kw4h]

God I wish you were more impartial. Your commentary just sours the mood.

[@victoriaskully]

Exactly he's so biased but what do you expect from Nick is not Green's brother they're both sour

[@Amasto]

Yes, his initial videos were much more neutral, which is why I subscribed. I really don't need another commentary channel giving "hot takes". His previous impartiality is what made him stand out.

[@user-gx4qj4kw4h]

@@Amasto Yeah exactly! I liked his previous ones but this was just so out of left field..

[@ellastrong6167]

Dude Shelby was so in the wrong this is a trash take sorry

[@minkakemi]

Probably people wouldn’t be so upset towards that ceramic girl if ahe didn’t victimize herself like that, she’s making a face like she’s about to cry for like nothing

[@dkstamberose]

I disagree with your views on the mug saga. The influencer didn’t mention the brand at all in their original video. Also I think it’s fair to not expect the price of a mug to be 125 dollars. Like that is a reasonable assumption and it makes sense she was shocked. Lastly, she didn’t say anything negative about the brand or that it wasn’t worth it,so I find the brand owner speaking up and making it a big deal quite sus. Those are my thoughts

[@meru3893]

real and she still bought the mug even though she was surprised with the price! she’s still supporting the business but the owner was mad 😭😭😭

[@TheSilverGarnet]

The cup creator was annoying. Shes OP and felt she had to validate herself 😒125 for that cup?? Nooo way. Is it made of fine crystal??? HARD PASS.

[@lemonmemories2348]

I agree I feel like the creator could have offered a refund in the DMs I'd she wanted that but the whole vibe was so condescending

[@VonVikoGoat]

another video made by emma in the moment shows the price of other mugs at the fair and they were WAY cheaper than the stuff that woman was selling, the only mug that was a similar price was a huge mug. ofc if i see everyone selling them for cheaper i will assume that tiny mug isn't that expensive

[@thefelicits]

Omg I can't believe you're team Shelby lol. Soph is obviously a rich influencer, I'm not surprised she didn't look at the price. I don't think she's lying at all. She was intentionally "posting her own Ls", being quirky and relatable because feeling embarrassed about backing out of buying something when people are queued up behind you, especially as a public figure, is really embarrassing. She didn't make fun of the mug, only of herself. And bro Australia is a rich developed western country yes there absolutely is an online culture and clout to be gained. Shelby was not believable at all, there is 0% chance she gave that long speech to everyone single customer in the huge crowd and honestly who cares if she DIDN'T point out the price when it was labelled on the item. Prior to her Tiktok she'd done nothing wrong and it was so weird to be defensive

[@stedydubdetroit]

7:28 side note, making a “dignity” mug out of ceramic, it completely defeats the purpose.

[@41052]

Omg I just realised that, she for sure just did it for brownie points 😂

[@theamazingace6134]

No entirely in my opinion. Ive heard a few disabled creators talk about how most accessible cups for adults with disabilities often are just sized up sippy cups with very kiddish designs. While i think that specific mug is definitely too thin for it to really be a good mug for one with a disability, there are creators who make ceramic mugs specifically for different disabilities! I can't remember their name, but I do remember their mugs were for sure bigger and looked much thicker and stable to actually accommodate someone. Plus they look like actual mugs and therefore have the "dignity" title since they less resemble childrens cup.

[@fellowcommenter1466]

why not ceramic? i get ppl with disibilities have their limitations which is why there's a second handle- but with any expensive ceramic ware, i'd just assume you'd use it on special days, no? like if it's the occassional good day (strength-wise, so it's less likely they'll drop it), if they want a warm drink, or if they have a guest and want to break out the cute ceramic cups?

[@Ruby-xk8kn]

​@@fellowcommenter1466its just obviously disingenous, ceramic isnt a good choice for people with mobility issues in their hands, there ARE disability specific mugs that have been designed for disabled people with the correct materials in mind, this isnt one of those its an add on thought afterwards for brownie points.

[@VonVikoGoat]

also the fact that is more expensive than her other mugs... seems fishy

[@ladybugspritz]

shelby’s response is giving liar making themselves a victim because soph’s flippant comments about her disbelief at how teeny the mug is compared to the price were taken incredibly personally. if i saw a mug that cute, being someone that is obsessed with strawberries, i woulda done the same after waiting in line but definitely would NOT be paying that price, no matter how long i was there. soph obviously has expendable income and is not the smartest, but iiiiii don’t know, shelby be sadfishing and giving me weird ass vibes

[@ellewhomeows]

I feel like your opinion on the mug situation is vastly different from your original video on it. Was there new information you found out about it, but wasn’t covered?

[@Sqeptick]

Your Wool and Folk video led me down a rabbit hole, and now my wife and I both knit. Never even considered it until your vid popped into my feed. So thanks...it's actually pretty fun.

[@Resyektt]

This made me smile lol

[@Kelly-wc8ue]

its kinda insane to me how she hides behind its for disabled people, as a disabled person myself, i could never afford a 125 dollar mug lol, id have to start a crowdfund me for it :^)

[@Ruby-xk8kn]

Yeah thats silly, Im trying to think of what disability would benefit from a delicate tiny two handled mug that would break if dropped, and im scratching my head haha.

[@Kelly-wc8ue]

@@Ruby-xk8kn genuinely can confirm that two handles can really be helpful, just with hands instability etc!! But I feel like making something specifically designed for disabled ppl also requires to chose a price that's affordable for disabled ppl :^)

[@Turboturtle098]

10:14 Shelby’s tone was so hard to listen to

[@TheresaMunezXo]

Shelby’s tone was so condescending towards the end after the initial thank yous

[@paracetamol725]

Normally I really do enjoy your videos, because you mostly keep to the facts and get straight to the point. But you seemed to be really misinformed about the mug situation. Soph posted her video in December, and it was meant as a haul for Christmas. Her 7-minute video started with her talking about the mug for about 30 seconds, and that's it. She said she never saw the other handle, didn't realize that it was 125 Dollars, and because it was already wrapped, she felt too bad to back out at the last second. Yes, she ranted a bit about its size, but she never mentioned Shelby or her business in any way. To be honest, it's okay if she felt the prize was too much for the size of the mug. Some people wouldn't mind it, others do. It's subjective. Nevertheless, Shelby answered about 1-2 months later with her video and she did come off quite condescending. Again, Soph never mentioned her name nor the name of her business. No one would have known it was about her. She made it sound like Soph was complaining about the mug for the majority of Soph's haul video/tiktok (which wasn't true). I also don't believe that Shelby told her long talk to every single person that day. (Someone else mentioned that she posted her video around the time of Soph's launch for her own small business, but I don't know 100% if that's true.) Now in Soph's response to Shelby, she mentions that she never talked to Shelby herself, but a brunette-haired woman. There is a photo that shows Shelby at her stall working together with two other women, one who has dark brunette hair. Another photo showed how the mugs were placed on the stall. It proved that you weren't able to see two handles on the Strawberry mug collection mugs because of how they were positioned. Soph mentioned that the stall was quite popular and that people had to wait in line to get to it. It's not too much of a stretch to believe that she didn't see the prize for the mug until she paid. Especially if it's a bit more fast paced. Overall, I can understand if Shelby felt attacked, because Soph sort of criticized the mug, but responding to the video in the manner that she did (especially months later) was quite unprofessional. I think she may have confused Soph with another blonde and they both had different interactions in their minds. As for the prize of the mug itself, I think everyone needs to make their own opinion up about it. For some people it won't be worth it, for others it would be. As mentioned before, it's completely subjective. However, knowing that Shelby uses molds and doesn't 100% make her pieces completely on her own, does make the mugs a bit more overpriced for me personally. But again, to each their own.

[@41052]

It’s okay to want to keep your pattern to yourself and not want to sell it. It is NOT okay to act that way when someone says that are just taking inspiration.

[@-MaryPoppins-]

It’s really hard to “keep” your pattern when it’s already been a popular design for decades lol. Even harder when you’re using molds that others COULD BUY and make themselves 🥴

[@tacticalmisandrist]

Went to college for ceramics and have attended SEVERAL workshops with established and respected ceramicists: that is a perfectly normal price for a piece of art pottery. I attended the largest ceramics conference in the world in 2019 and some of my favorite artists’ MUGS-yes mugs-were on sale for similar prices, if not more. Ceramics is one of the most expensive media to get into/use, the prices have to reflect that unfortunately. Buy something else if the price is too high. In fact, it’s super common for mugs to be sold from lots of different people in fundraisers at a flat rate, where each artist donates just one mug so that people can still get the pottery without artists losing a ton of profit. Sometimes there’s like a lottery system and you get a surprise mug. We come up with lots of fun ways to get our pottery to folks lol

[@stedydubdetroit]

Sure thing! Problem is, craft fairs are for cheap things. Not high end couture dinner ware. lol. That’s the cost of a Gucci mug. She’s not Gucci. She also didn’t throw it on the wheel, she poured it in a mould..so… even less of an impressive piece. To me, that’s cheating. She not even a legit potter.

[@tacticalmisandrist]

@@stedydubdetroitlmao um hate to break it to you but the potters wheel is just one tool of many for ceramics. You know that she probably made the master piece for that mold, and that it takes skill to create the right slip to make the perfect cast? That it takes skill to even make a mold? And even more skill to cast and cast and cast and they turn out good and sturdy and even thickness etc etc? I literally went to college FOR mold making and casting so you are really talking to the wrong person, LOL. And no, that’s not a “gucci mug” price and even if it was, gucci definitely mass produces any pottery they sell in a factory 😂 I literally said in my first comment that respected artists sell their mugs for those prices, AND YES, at craft fairs. 😂😂😂 you dont have to throw on a wheel for your work to be good. Lmfao. Please take just one hand building ceramics class and stay in your lane. 💀 I don’t understand where people who know nothing about making art get off on having such snobby opinions about it.

[@ico.6238]

@@tacticalmisandristfellow ceramicist here, fyi, she didn’t make the mold. She got hundred of molds for (i believe for free but can’t remember, been following her for a while) on gum tree. she did not make the master mold. She slipcasts and paints them herself. Personally I don’t have an issue with the price, if people are willing to pay that much money for it, go ahead. But I do think it’s important to clarify that she doesn’t make her molds.

[@tiagogomes513]

Shelby uses molds to make her mugs, she pours liquid ceramic and thats it, i could understand if it was a normal sized HAND MADE mug and even then its overpriced, but a little mold made mug its a robbery

[@rotdogz]

Yeah when I first heard about it being 100 something i was like huh thats a bit pricey. But its only 80$ USD and im like wow thats actually on a lower end for ceramics LOL (that arent mass-produced, anyway)

[@GrainneMhaol]

Hey Austin, sure this drama is petty, but when your critique is "your population is small and your currency is trash" maybe you need new material.

[@wendy_lynn]

My thoughts exactly.

[@bellale-shamalamadingdong418]

Disgree with the mug take, but more importantly you said you can speak freely because for once they cant sue you..does that mean youre just a rude snarky person generally but show "respect" to people that can afford to sue?

[@tuinhoofd1923]

Yeah I didn't mention that in my own comment about the confrontational tone of this vid, but that line bothered me too. I could maybe write this off as, yeah, a definite inappropriate miss, but maybe just recorded on a bad day etc, but that line really does imply that this is how they've been wanting to act the whole time, but have been holding back Dissapointing if so

[@avery4818]

im so worried hes gonna end up acting like nick.... genuinely i really hope he knows better

[@yeeyeeyeeye]

Looks like he's just as mean-spirited and as much of a bully as his brother. Disappointed really, because his initial videos were pretty neutral and well researched.

[@koolaidman_]

Important context in the mug drama, the first clip from Soph was a tiny part of a 7 minute haul video, and came out like a month before the response from the mug creator (shelby? I hope i got them right i do get their names mixed up). If anyone is going after anyone i would say the creator was going after the buyer

[@alyshaking]

Ha. Funnily enough that is my exact attitude - if I can make it myself I'll make it. As long as I'm not selling it and saying it's my own design, there's literally nothing wrong with doing that. That first artist was wildly out of line.

[@alyshaking]

Also, as an artist/cosplayer, I will spend weeks, if not months, figuring out how to do something. If someone then reached out and asked for tips, I'd give it to them! What the heck is this mindset of "it took me ages to work it out so you should to"? Just gives petty and spiteful imo

[@koryngalen6228]

Man, I really don’t agree with how harsh you were towards Sophie. “How stupid do you have to be?” Really???

[@victoriaskully]

Exactly couldn't agree more and he's probably not going to own up to how he was acting he plans on going to be a full-time creator he needs to do a lot better

[@kate_6436]

I think the mug drama is uneccesary. Soph didn't even mention her small business it didn't need to turn into anything

[@MoonMoonTM]

The mug girl was not making fun of the mug??

[@pinkkrystalz7610]

Because Soph called that dignity mug for "little kids," which came across as abelist and infantilizing.

[@MoonMoonTM]

@@pinkkrystalz7610 Multiple people with disabilities that would benefit from a two handled mug have called out Shelby for claiming the mug is for disabled people as a way to gain sympathy. They've pointed out that the mug supposedly for disabled people is smaller than average mugs and would make it actually less useful. They'd have to constantly refill it and for many people, the handles would even be too small. Even a standard sippy cup holds more liquid than that mug and the handles are bigger. She was not wrong in saying that it seemed like it would be for a child. It's incredibly small.

[@pinkkrystalz7610]

@@MoonMoonTM I didn't read your entire longwinded essay, so I'll make this short: 1.Just because someone "claimed" to be disabled while attempting to call out Shelby and making her out to be some scam artist doesn't mean they are. 2.Shelby's mugs are handmade, NOT manufactured, so therefore it's expected to be on the pricey end. And 3. It's $125 in Australia, which is ~$80 in the U.S.💁‍♀️

[@MoonMoonTM]

@@pinkkrystalz7610 Lol. Reading would have greatly benefited you. I guess all the people being upset by her using disabled people for sympathy are all lying. 🙄

[@Mtb558]

​@@MoonMoonTMI'm dying that they said your single paragraph is an essay they couldn't be bothered to read 😂. Meanwhile they're spamming other commenters with the same copy-paste message and saying "learn to read" when anyone disagrees with them, like the anti-ableism icon they are (because only some disabilities are worthy??) 💀

[@JoesaurusRex]

I personally agree more with annamarie forcino’s approach about the Ausie mug drama. I mean No hate at all, but imo it felt like u were unnecessarily snarky to the lady who bought the mug and kinda ignored the obvious unprofessionalism of the seller.

[@victoriaskully]

Exactly rude and biased

[@OkamiLyra]

Hey, you really didn't cover the mug story well. At all. You're practically defending the business owner, who is very in the wrong when you actually research the topic well. You're acting like Sophie is the party who's doing wrong, when she isn't. Like, at the display the mug was angled in a way that she wouldn't have seen the second handle, and she didn't pick it up herself because it was on the main counter. You never took into account that the second handle was literally unable to be seen. You also didn't mention it having been a mug for people with disabilities, which is at a price that makes it insanely hard for people who would benefit from it to get and makes the business owner herself look really, really bad. I respect you man, but you REALLY didn't do your research there.

[@Dani-tt9gz]

I agree, I really like his videos but this one was off

[@victoriaskully]

Exactly

[@rainyyyyyyy648]

Geez, it feels like you have something against Soph. You are quite snarky with her given how it feels you are misinterpreting or misrepresenting her original video as is. Quite weird because that’s usually not your style of video commentary, you just speak on what’s been said without unnecessarily extrapolating.

[@lemonmemories2348]

I so agree - it feels strange to not mention the initial clip was from a 7 min casual haul video makes it seem like she was intentionally ragging on the creator but she was more talking about a silly awkward sitch she got in - that was my read anyway

[@rainyyyyyyy648]

Totally agree with you. From soph’s original vid, what I got was literally she couldn’t figure out who to gift it to,nothing negative about the business or Shelby or the interaction. She never blamed anyone for the price and clearly said she was too awkward to say no. She didn’t say she was tricked or forced to pay it

[@Tackmana]

Agreed, first time I ever felt one of Austin's commentary crossed into the slightly mean territory. Like "how stupid do you have to be" didn't feel snarky. Austin even felt like he had to comment that he was being snarkier than usual, I don't like it, but hopefully it's just a one-off.

[@victoriaskully]

Couldn't agree more He's extremely biased extremely rude horrible video bad jokes bad takes hopefully he takes accountability for this because this is just awful and it's like nobody agrees with you dude

[@JDMar0810]

I liked your other vids but this one it feels like you called the parties stupid and didn't seem very understanding of the topics. I liked it more when you seemed like a neutral party that was informing viewers on all sides of drama. Congrats on your success tho!

[@putriddivine]

The mug one makes me crazy, because the original video is so neutral and minor, wheres the questioning prices and lying ??? Theres none

[@SheMumbles]

Woof to your apparent disdain for Soph in the mug drama, like did she hurt you in particular lol

[@victoriaskully]

Agreeing he's so disrespectful and so rude Like awful take horrible video and extremely disrespectful

[@moomoopiggywow2063]

bad take on the mug drama. i think soph just made a mistake and bought it in a moment of anxiety and the creator got offended by her questioning the price and saw it as a chance to get publicly involved to be seen as the victim.

[@mag3nta_m4sk]

This reminds of me the "I'm DIY but you're copying me" situation

[@Meeksmaster]

Shopping anxiety girly here, I get way too overwhelmed when I’m shopping. If someone were to look at me and ask if I was ready to check out, REGARDLESS of whether or not I’d looked over the piece and price I’d say yes and pay and be out of there. lol

[@ashv9565]

I'm excited to be so early for some niche drama. Craft drama hits different.

[@DimmyM7]

Crafting and knitting drama? I’ve cancelled all plans today and am SEATED Also AUSTIN GREEN FULL-TIME WE’RE NOT READYYYY🔥🔥

[@goodnotgr8]

Taking Shelby’s side in this is wild

[@artmoonsilva]

I actually think Shelby was the person playing the victim in the mug fiasco. Soph doesn't seem very smart, but does come off as a lot more genuine imo

[@Barbs_Collectibles]

Sorry, I'm not sorry, but I can crotchet whatever I want. I might not be Picasso. But I can fake a Picasso. I am not paying for anything I can make myself!

[@r1gbysj0k3rrch2]

I'm still on Sophs side tbh.

[@Raumplestomp]

​@@Frutebrute69- the cat gave them toxoplasmosis which caused brain damage.

[@rosesigner]

I'm not sure that I agree with your opinion on the drama about the mug. It's interesting to watch one video that supports the lady that you were bashing and then watch this one. It's interesting how different people have different ideas about who's right or wrong. Maybe it depends on whose vid they watched first.

[@JKLProductions1914]

this is 100% normal for ceramics and pottery. I'm eyeing a different creator's ceramic mug design, and it's about the same price. It's a beautiful treat to own something like that, definitely not something you stock your kitchen with. Honestly, small mugs are the way to go lol. The art, supplies, hours, and overhead required for a beautiful handcrafted mug add up.

[@TheresaMunezXo]

Apparently, the mug is made from a slip mold, rather than throwing and shaping clay, which would be way more time consuming and would require more finesse and skill and precaution. A couple of artists that work with ceramics have said using a mold would not justify the price (from a materials and process stand point, idk how her taxes look or how her company is set up)

[@s.e.m.7767]

idk about the last one I don't think anyone is owed someones recipe if they don't feel like giving it but that is just me. Also the mug thing, I think the seller was unnecessarily condescending and manipulative and didn't need to respond to the video at all, it wasn't tagging her and didn't mention the name. Just weird behavior although I don't think her price is unreasonable because artists should be paid a living wage and I don't think people respect craftsmanship enough.

[@Mari-es7fq]

This is such a bad take on the mug drama.

[@SuperNinjaAlchemist]

You covered the mug drama poorly and left out some info

[@P3N1SLUVR]

16:52 Nowhere in the original video did it sound like Soph was making fun of the mug. She said it was cute and that she was surprised at the pricing. 17:47 You're right, there is no world where that happened 'cause Soph didn't even imply that they forced her into buying it. The artist has the right to price her art at whatever price she deems acceptable. I'm a bit surprised at how you so grossly exaggerated/made up what Soph said in regard to the mug or the owner/store.

[@missmoon1849]

In the Instagram Stories showing Shelby's booth, you can see that the mug is placed in such a way that u cant see the second handle. Sophie wasn't that inattentive. :(

[@Anna133199]

Very much disagree on the mug situation. The seller was so wrong, so manipulative, so dramatic when it really wasn't necessary.

[@BleachBath-fr8ps]

The Influencer Steps in Shit Checklist: 1) Play the victim. 2) Deflect valid criticism and cite unsubstantiated threats/harassment. 3) Go silent. 4) Return online pretending like nothing happened and put all comments through a heavy filter. 5) Continue being the worst.

[@oldkittykiyru]

I worked retail in LA.. Celebrities and rich people will just grab a whole bunch of random stuff, not really look at them or ask prices , pay then leave. So I could see Sophie doing that of she's got money.

[@sydney7701]

I know nothing about the context of the mug drama but I had been following the creator of the mug for awhile. She makes really cool stuff and this whole thing is soooo messy

[@mochhhhee]

I’ve also followed her for years and she seems sweet but responding when she wasn’t even called out isn’t a good look. It only shows her getting defensive. As she says she’s a small business, not everyone is going to like her so why beef when she wasn’t called out?

[@rosesigner]

I was told that she just paints molds and doesn't actually throw the mugs on a wheel.

[@ceceduvall3832]

@@rosesigner Yeah this is true, she uses molds and doesn't actually handmake the mugs. I thought the price was accurate at first cause I thought she was actually individually spinning them. But $125 for just a simple hand painted mug rather than a fully hand made one is just way too much.

[@rosesigner]

@@ceceduvall3832 Yup, absolutely agree, there was a video made explaining that but this dude missed that one. Not criticism.

[@lizek3515]

Molds ARE handmade. I’d argue that mold pouring is more difficult than throwing on a wheel because it takes more time and finesse to get a good product. When you open the mold, the item usually isn’t perfect. You need to clean up edges and the seam line from where the mold pieces meet. I’m not a huge fan of this girl because of her attitude, but the process she does needs a lot of dedicated time and patience

[@danielx555]

With regards to the yarn, I have to be 100% with the artist here. You can't copy write a color, but you can protect your industrial process or your special formula.

[@41052]

I agree!! She can keep her pattern to herself all she wants but no way should she expect that no one take inspiration from the thing. To me, that is insane. From the message it was literally just telling them they are taking inspiration. I feel like that is entitled.

[@spectre9340]

IMPORTANT: The strawberry mug is 125 AUSTRALIAN dollars. It's 80 USD

[@court6389]

Hard disagree with your take on the mug drama. Soph has lots of money, she’s a very well off influencer, she doesn’t need to be conscious about how much things cost, which is why she paid for the mug anyway, but she’s still aware that it’s a lot of money for a mug regardless. Shelby is manipulative af.

[@moontrasher7023]

You kinda missed the mark on this video. It feels petty and vindictive, rather that your usual well researched and nuanced stuff. Im happy you were able to go full time but dont fall into this trap!

[@lizroszel265]

very relieved to see a lot of people were just as uncomfortable w the tone of this video as i was. if anyone hasn’t seen it, please watch annamarie forcino’s video on the mug situation. it’s MUCH better put together and doesn’t feel offensive or unnecessarily mean. austin, i’ve followed you for a long time man but this video has left the WORST taste in my mouth and plenty of people agree. just because a lot of youtubers get bitchier when they get bigger doesn’t mean you should. be levelheaded and unbiased, that’s what a lot of us followed you for.

[@Kiki_detective3005]

Exactly what I was thinking! Like not to trash him for that but it genuinely made me feel uncomfortable and like I was watching something I shouldn’t been allowed too. I hope it was just one bad topic though

[@mmg8830]

Your mug drama take was surprising, really felt the snak you're talking about!😅

[@Applebottompants]

You didn’t understand the mug drama. You gave a very unbalanced and unfair comparison.