This LEAK has us HAULED OUT again

[@irishharmon]

Quick tip and it is probably to late but cut the seams of the packing at a 45 degree angle not 90 degree it then provides better sealing and you could probably get away with 2 rings of packing. Also stagger the seams 90 degrees from each other. One huge red flag is if water leaks in from your rudder shaft then the stuffing box is below the water line. More vessels sink from this . Get a wooden plug tapered for the size of your rudder shaft and leave it by the rudder stock in the event you loose the rudder you can plug the hole immediately.

[@1Mattza]

I totally agree with your 45deg angle cuts and stagger these 180deg from each other

[@Steve-Debs]

Agree , we had a plug tied to every through hull fitting on the boat.

[@Steve-Debs]

Next time try buying a brand new packing nut and stop using a worn one. Sooner or later the movement of the rudder stock will cause the old one to jump the thread again. I’m sure the cost of the nut is a lot cheaper than the cost of haul out. Also get a pipe that fits over the rudder stock that you can tap the seal down all the way with, an Allen key doesn’t “cut it “ excuse the pun.

[@VanagonCO]

It’s not the nut, it’s the threads of the female side. The threads are rusted and basically non existent at the top of the threads. The only thing I can think of is, get a bigger in diameter packing nut. Then use a bigger tap to rethread to the same size as the bigger packing nut.

[@triedproven9908]

Probably happened fron the old owner trying to beat the packing down with a mallet to the nut.

[@js7127]

@@VanagonCO The threads are fiberglass and can be repaired with epoxy. Then clean the threads up and install a new nut. He didn't learn from his first half ass attempt unfortunately.

[@VanagonCO]

@@js7127 No they are metal, it’s a metal nut embedded into the fiberglass. You can see the rust.

[@NTF-fk8en]

I’d modify the packing nut to the style that uses two studs and nuts on the sides of the packing gland rather than the threaded style of packing gland. You get infinite adjustment. Also you can buy packing extractors in different sizes to suit the packing you have for easy removal, made by Chesterton. I’ve packed thousands of glands and modified just as many on all types of pumps in mining! I also agree with others as to cutting the packing at a 45 degree angle and stagger the joints at 180 degrees.

[@13souldigger]

It looks like movement has caused a crack between the keel and the hull and this is the reason for the rust. You need to examine this and also check the keel bolts and tighten them if necessary. Fair winds😎🙋🏻‍♂️

[@deerfootnz]

Yes! This is important !

[@daner.d]

just get a threaded collar and weld it to the top of the packing box, there for extending the threads for your nut to grab on to and in turn could put more packing in. might have to do a little fiberglassing on the top of the rudder mount housing but it should work

[@tvpolishprogram3804]

This boat has a soul and it tests your patience. Good luck, don't give up.

[@dougdennis7929]

Slice the top packing longways to make it a little thinner without losing the width. Use very sharp Stanley knife. Make to two bottom packings the correct size. You could also try wrapping the nut thread with a liberal amount of Teflon tape.

[@ernie7065]

2 kiddies are happy that you are hauling out.

[@janiemcvicker739]

PYI dripless packing seal has been on our sailboat Onward for over 18 years; no leaks! Great product... love your videos , fair winds

[@petegraham1458]

You need to compress each ring of packing with a metal extension for the packing nut , then install the next ring use a shorter extension and compress it again, this is the procedure for valves used in High Pressure Steam service . The other thing you can do is get a custom new nut made on a lathe using single point treading they can make the nut just a bit bigger so it engages the threads that are there more completely. I have also seen some repairs done with a product from Belzona . They fixed a striped out tread on a generator which it in Algeria we ran it for 3 years and then it got sold on and to my knowledge never had an issue. Sorry about your engine mechanic, I did significant engineering work on 5 continents so I feel your pain promises are not what we get used to in the cultures we are from! One add you can order custom cut and preformed packing with a chevron shape that seals better , for water stick with the Teflon impregnated packing . Good luck wish I was there to lend a hand with the problems . I don’t like to see people struggle with fixes . The baby’s are growing incredibly quickly and look happy and healthy, Good on you two!

[@lazzj4995]

Would def go new packing ut. Lucky u have yr family supporting you. Imagine the day the kids are old enough to help out

[@forresta65]

I wonder if a local machine shop can make you a brass alloy nut.

[@markbernier8434]

If that is the solution, they can turn the external threads a few thou over spec so it engages a bit better.

[@williamralph5442]

I feel your pain..hang in there..

[@peterdodge6563]

Keep your spirits up. Better times coming. 😊

[@deerfootnz]

I have a similar packed gland on my rudder. I have decafes of experience repacking the glands on pump shafts. I put the first ring in, then comoress it hard with the nut, leave it for a couple of minutes then remove the nut. Then the 2nd ring & compress again with the nut, then the final ring. Often slk three full size rings will fit. As anothet commenter observed, all the cuts should be at 45⁰ and displaced by 180⁰ or 90⁰ depending on the number of rings

[@briancochran8356]

Good luck!

[@robertscranton8293]

I like the last plan for the packing nut.

[@romeowhiskey1146]

Glad to see that you've got OTHERS below trying to assist you with MAINTAINING YOUR SANITY. Know that things like this can TRY to wear you down. Better DAYS ahead END in "Y".

[@tawharanui5011]

This boat has become your very good friend already.😊 In order to experience enjoyable sailing cruises in the future, it makes you now aware and prepares you to maintain and repair the very important parts. I.e. you learn in safe environment and infrastructure the necessary task which would be very difficult once you are on high seas. 😊😊😊😊

[@williamwhaley7842]

Sometimes you just want to quit! I've been there many times. When you fix one thing something else breaks! Just pick one thing at a time, fix it then move on! You will eventually get to the end and then get out there an do some sailing! I enjoy watching your progress!

[@ed-beahan918]

Did you ever give a thought to check your rudder packing and prop packing? How about through holes? Pick it up

[@davecummings6170]

In the aerial shots there are what looks like large square ponds. Are they fish farms.

[@charleswright7233]

suggest you watch a couple of pakassni vlogs showing how they rebuild broken axels/crankshafts for spirit renewal. Have any of the local mech grues suggested weldtng or bolting a short 3/8 inch high threaded sleve or plate to the existing packing gland with threads to match packing nut to provide fresh unbuggered threads to allow tourking down the new packing ? if concerned heat from welding might damage fg hull might bed flat locknet style plate in epoxy steel compound and tap and thread exist gland to screw fasten with countersunk bolis.. In the old days valve stem packing was impregnated with graphite which helped bed the packing., A few suuirts of graphite lock lube might not do any harm. Good luck.

[@Brian-wy7ts]

Could you use o-rings and ptfe spacer washers layered instead of packing? 3 layers iwith silicone grease in the centre layer maybe

[@brucebragg331]

Hi From and old yachtie and marine engineer get yourself a new bronze nut machined to suit the tube thread, nylon is far too flexible

[@robertjerome1889]

Plumbers have a thread they wrap in the nut thread for a better seal..

[@petercroft9895]

Yes they do. They are plumbers. This is not a plumbing problem, and teflon tape or hemp fibre (which is a vastly superior plumbing sealant) won't fix it. It's an owner doesn't want to listen to a lot of good advice about to fix this problem properly, problem. I'd put even money on a leaky rudder stock emergency haulout video early in the new year 😢

[@Cptnbond]

If the threads are worn out, that must be adressed properly. As an temporay fix maybe some teflon tape will fill the gap in the threads.

[@stevencollins4981]

New nut and or ptfe tape round the thread

[@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665]

The collar nut thread looks ok .. its the thread in the tube set in the hull thats stripped..the only way of refinishing it is to drop the rudder and retapping the housing thead, possibly helicoiling might fix it but finding one thatblarge and getting it put in, in situe would be a challenge.

[@kevinmacdonald9849]

Just buy a new packing nut. The threads are worn out on your old one. Get a bronze one.

[@triedproven9908]

You want to get some body weight on that nut and packing before you start turning it so it catches. If need be take a piece of simillar diameter straigt pipe pipe and put it over the nut then put a folded towel over the end of the pipe for cushion then lean your chest on it while you tighten the bolt. You'll also be able to get as much packing as you need in there at any sizing. Your packing is not deforming enough to keep a constant seal.

[@Epicurus-ju9bv]

Can you not get the nut 3d printed with a deeper thread allowing you to solve the slip OR add some PTFE tape around the thread quite thick to help it seal and bind ?

[@charlesholt4097]

What about adding teflon tape to nut threads to help it grip better

[@JagLite]

If you haven't already, order a new packing nut. It looks like it is plastic (Delrin? Nylon?) and they strip threads easily. The bronze in the through hull will not lose threads, the plastic nuts do. I'm sure there is a good reason Amel used a plastic gland nut but I don't know why. My boat had a bronze nut. Lot's of other good comments already so hopefully you will solve this problem so you can get on to the next one.

[@VanagonCO]

It’s not the plastic nut, it’s the metal female part that is rusted the threads are rusted away.

[@billhanna5455]

Thread tape on the packing nut thread

[@nickcooper14]

If the thread in the hull is what is wrong, you can do it the old (Thompson Pump ) way. you have enough meat in the outside diameter of the stuffing box, you can drill and tap 2x 10 or 12mm threads into the outer diameter. You will need to get a local guy to make you up a gland follower with two wings out the side that match the two tapped holes. So the follower will have the inside diameter of your rudder stock say 0.020" bigger then it will have the outer diameter of the stuffing box. this time 0.020" smaller. This then uses the two bolts to pull down the packing into the stuffing box, make the length of the follower so that it will bottom out, and so you can add an extra ring in. It is important to cut the packing on an angle and stagger the placement. You can also get packing a little fatter and hammer it flat to fit the stuffing box.. I have worked for many years working on pumps that use packing. Good luck.

[@MichaelSwartz-s6m]

You need to make a packing press to compress the packing without using the packing nut threads. The end of the rudder shaft has a threaded hole so all you need is a tube to fit over the shaft and inside the tube and is must be taller than the rudder shaft so you can press it down with a bolt and washer. The packing nut looks like it is just a standard nylon pipe fitting. What thread is the packing nut, in the video it looks like a tapered pipe fitting or is that how much the end of the nut is worn down. The main problem why it leaked is due to simply not having enough pressure on the packing. If it is a tapered pipe thread then that would explain your problems since you only used two layers the nut would be tight before putting pressure on the packing. If you make a compressing tool like I described you could also use that for installing the packing nut as it would allow you to press and hold the nut down as you turn it and screw it in.

[@rwhunt99]

Curious how much does it coat to have out hauled out every time? I don't know if there is a better plan, but get an oversized tub that fits and use that to tamp down the packing,

[@walterwinn2842]

I realize this video is atleast a few weeks behind but none the less. Don't mess with that packing, especially with kids on the boat. That HAS TO be done right. You could end up in a very bad situation there mate but it's your boat.

[@njbaskipper]

Everything will be fine, don't worry, they are boats and they are subject and exposed to extreme conditions of all kinds. He is a great Amel and you have done a great job. 👍

[@jeffreygilchrist1330]

You need to get a new nut machined with deeper threads and stop with the Band-Aid solution that nut has to be tight and under load will leak again unless sorted

[@iceman1980sc]

Just a question what if you extend the rudder shaft en the hole were the rudder shaft go true en you extend it above waterline, than you never gone have water coming out of the hole right ??

[@michaelvanwinkle7919]

That plastic packing nut needs to be replaced with a metal one. If it will only take a plastic one, keep at least one extra on hand.

[@Paul4x4B]

Did you stagger the joints of the packing? Is there a backup to stop that rudder falling out or are you just relying on the 4 bolts of the quadrant?

[@davidnichols147]

What a shame, your nut keeps on slipping. Possibly, invest in a new nut or purchase a double sided lever type lock which should allow better and more even pressure.

[@robertgambel6968]

did u try putting plumbers dope around the threads before tightening ? inexpensive if it works

[@PAINFOOL13]

New packing nut ,the threads get worn .

[@AlsinoFerreira]

😎

[@MW-dt2bj]

Hej, hej, if there's flooding water inside the boat ... is that compartment separated from the rest of the boat, or will it flood the rest of the hull? I do not know your Amel, but boats sunk, because the compartment with the rudder/steering compartment have had openings to the rest of the boat. There had been problems with the rudder-shaft. So, is the rudder compartment isolated/closed and waterproof?

[@nffremote]

I have seen more boats flood or sink because of failed rudder components than any other system. Quite tight is not enough for me.

[@MiddlewayGoodLife]

Man, you are having the worst luck. Good on you for documenting and filming this. It would be so hard right now amongst everything else. Also, you should plaster the mechanics name all over youtube, what a useless prick. This episode alone has me more excited than ever to see the moment you pull those halyards. Absolute best wishes ❤.

[@shaneparrish9991]

Where's the packing nut lock nut or device. Or loc tight

[@advridertim]

Git a large stainless washer that will fit over the steering shaft, drill about 8 holes in it, epoxy studs into the area around the nut, grind the threads off the nut and use the studs with nuts to compress the packing...

[@jamacamecrazy5393]

LMAO you should have listened to people telling you to replace the packing nut. I can't believe you take so many chances with your new family. Like not replacing those old hoses or putting valves in. One of those old worn out hoses burst underway your screwed

[@KiwiSkipper]

If that nut is only holding by half the threads it should be then you can guarantee that it will pop at the worse possible time. Do it once, do it right.

[@maxifenix9979]

Jaja die Nuss...

[@jimm4260]

Take your time... let these kids grow up and get walking on land before you spend too much time at sea... for them.

[@Franko-eg6iu]

Easy striped thread fix. Wrap one layer Teflon tape around tread on nut. Smear JB wield on it and other bare thread. Tighten up and leave over night. Makes threads like new and not stick. Make suyall is clean

[@Bob.58]

it looks like a nylon nut, replace it, its stripped said the machinist(me)

[@miketcq8]

Is that it? Where's the rest of the story?

[@MikeBanks2003]

That looks like a Tufnell compression nut. Useless as tits on a bull. You need to use a metal compression nut with an insulating washer and a good waterproof grease to separate the shaft and compression cone from the nut. I use a Tufnell ring with an insulation top-hat T-Shaped flanged tubular micarta or Tufnell washer. If you can not buy one, you can make one--and you can make it from nylon or polythene at a pinch, but NOT polypropylene. It is catalysed by copper. It really should be only one day's job to replace the bearings and packings on a properly installed rudder, if you have it set in a tube that goes all the a way through hull to the point at which the tiller (and yours is too short) gets fitted. My suspicion is that the rudder outer tube is leaking where it is set into the hull. Hopefully this is not the case, but it needs to be pressure tested. If this is true, then the tube has to come out and be reconditioned, or if it is excessively corroded, a new one re-epoxied into place. I use only transom hung rudders with the lower bearing bolted to a skeg and the top bearing above the waterline by as much as the deck on the poop will allow. I have used pintles but for larger vessels I only ever use a rudder tube with internal bearings of slippery elm, lignum vitae, Tufnell etc where in contact with sea water, and sealed stainless steel roller or ball bearings in the way of the tiller attachment point I also use a grease nipple at the top of the rudder tube, and can use this to force down a thin layer of water pump grease between the shaft of the rudder and the insides sides of the rudder tube and the bearings which are also able to be water lubricated if impregnated with wax or grease beforehand. I have used pintles for a stern mounted rudder for smaller vessels, and I recommend they be installed alongside any rudder shaft or on the transom with added reinforcements if necessary and when set in place they function as the mounting for the rigging of emergency steering. Self steering helps in this regard if the self steering incorporates its own separate rudder, Many pendulum systems do not--they operate the existing rudder or a trim tab affixed by locked pintles or hinges thereto. I also use only keel cooling and a dry rock-wool insulated engine exhaust vented through a shielded stern davit--but that is another story. The big killer of marine engines is salt water and heat exchangers and rubber sea water impellers that can fail at the worst possible moments and clog heat exchangers. Once was enough for me.

[@brians5031]

WHAT ABOUT A NEW PACKING NUT ??????

[@matthewbaynham6286]

So just to be clear the nut looks like it's made of plastic and it looks like it's screwing into something that is made of metal. So is it just the nut worn out or is the think it's screwing into also worn out? Because if one this is made out of metal and one out of plastic then logic says the metal one isn't going to be as worn out as the plastic one. And can you just buy a new nut?

[@VanagonCO]

The female is metal, the metal threads are gone. That’s the problem.

[@TRAVIS-L]

Can't you re thread it

[@thomasthornton5737]

😀😀😀👍👍👍❤❤

[@davidhancox1896]

I know little to nothing about the stuffing/nut but to me as an outsider, i think you are sitting on a time bomb that i hope wont go off when you are 500 miles out at sea. if the nut slips threads now,it will get worse as time goes

[@pattithompson1395]

An old story.

[@howardbeer5214]

A plastic gland nut ?? Are you kidding me !!! Should be bronze at best or brass at least !!

[@robertjerome1889]

Why dont you have a better packing tool.. NEEW PACKING NUT ?..

[@mnburney]

There is no way I would trust that with my family onboard. I would tap the stuffing box 1 size larger and have a machinist make a custom sized packing nut. Then you will have new threads on both.

[@VanagonCO]

I think you’re right about this, sorry I didn’t see your comment. I think it’s the only way without removing the female side from the fiberglass and putting a new female side in place of the old one.

[@mnburney]

Good luck and be patient. Everything will workout in the end.

[@davidleatherbarrow2640]

It must be obvious to hundreds watching that YOU Need a NEW Packing Nut. Why aren`t You seeing this. Why persevere with a nut that You already know is stripped. You are planning on crossing an Ocean or two with a faulty Nut. I simply do not understand Your reluctance.

[@californiakayaker]

Wow, deleted first comment, I didn't realize Amel puts the rudder shaft through the hull so therefore you have two shafts that need packing ! I don't think Delos ever showed that ! Many boats do not put the rudder shaft through the hull (I think) so what a surprise. One thing I noticed, I apologize if this seems off the mark, but, that PVC "nut" holding the shaft. It looks like it was designed by Amel by simply taking a heavy duty "cap" PVC type and drilling a hole in it. IT Seriously look like that was what they did ! If Amell Ggreed that they did that, you could have one made very easily ! That said, I think I'd have it made from some sort of metal part ! But, your done with this and in the water by bow I'm sure !

[@katrinebohr3119]

Seriously, this man's face is just too much on screen. They could show boat.

[@jimdiamond8246]

The twinns are like , we been having a blast since we were born I don't know what you 2 are complaining about 😆😆😆🦘🇭🇲.