This Mac deserved better...

[@MrSlowmaro]

96 KwH battery damn I should buy that to charge my Tesla with haha.

[@DanLoudShirts]

96w charger I think he meant!

[@lasbrujazz]

@@DanLoudShirts 96 Wh capacity

[@CowboyTrucking61]

@@DanLoudShirts No, he said battery.

[@ranjitmandal1612]

😶😧

[@settlece]

That will be the gallium nitrate doing its magic.

[@tayjn]

The 2020 Intel 10th Gen 13-inch was a way bigger kick in the nuts than this. It was announced barely a month before the Apple Silicon transition and was eclipsed in performance by the M1 in less than 6 months. The Intel 16-inch was at least still the best graphics power you could get in a MacBook for around 2 years until the 2021 MacBook Pros released

[@joelv4495]

Even then they were late to the party for a high spec laptop. 2019 was the first year you could even configure 64GB memory (and at nosebleed pricing), when I had been rocking a 64GB DIY upgrade in an XPS 15 for a few years already.

[@anakinfan8]

Honestly when that model came out, I very nearly pulled the trigger….but I waited a few months until reviews of the M1 started to drop

[@ashwinnarasimhan2729]

@@joelv4495 A large part of the problem was that Apple preferred to use LPDDR memory and Intel was capping that at 16 GB for years. I would have loved to order my 2017 model with 32 GB but that was not even an option.

[@ggwill0]

I bought that one 😭😭😭 still using...

[@nomnomNACHO]

I remember buying that Mac in May 2020. Luckily was able to sell it an uograded to M1 for almost the same price! Phew

[@gutv]

I got a used one last year for 1200,00. The first owner paid 4500. It's a beast! Radeon 5600 8gb vram, 64GB RAM, 2Tb. No regrets!

[@Eweyhen]

Solid deal tbh

[@ethanjrdz]

Bargain deal! I have the 14” M2 Max however till this day, I still envy and miss bootcamp for dual booting OS

[@CemEmreBurus]

The same for me. I paid $1400 for mine on ebay. 70 battery charge cycles. Cosmetically perfect. Brought it to the closest apple store for a deep diagnostic test which took around 2 hours. the result was perfect.

[@lilrobert7897]

@@ethanjrdz try utm to run windows (free)

[@jeffchastain2977]

And it can heat your house! For a couple hours...

[@Supreme176]

Going on year 4 with mine! It is a nice furnace in the winter months.

[@AndreySavin]

I have one, bought it used in 2022 because I needed to be able to run bootcamp natively but still wanted a macOS experience. i9, 32GB RAM, 5500M GPU with 8GB VRAM. Didn’t realize how much I would love this thing despite its common flaws. Sure it’s hot and noisy but it runs all my creative software just fine and I don’t see a reason to upgrade anytime soon, even if I could afford it.

[@emilsecker7881]

You should start thinking about it next year though. It may not get macOS 16

[@AndreySavin]

@@emilsecker7881 would be nice but it's unlikely that I'll have the budget for an upgrade within the next year, and I don't want to get a base model M2 or M3 Air just for the sake of getting something new. And even though it's cool that my Intel MBP supports Sequoia, I might not even update from Sonoma unless other users report no performance loss. Apple will most likely offer security patches for Sonoma for a while like they do with other older versions of macOS.

[@AMacProOwner]

@@emilsecker7881 However you get 3 years of security updates. So it's still fine to use for a while longer.

[@AndreySavin]

@@emilsecker7881it’s okay, Apple will still release security patches for older macOS like they always have. I might not even update to Sequoia because the performance on Sonoma has been surprisingly good and I don’t wanna stress about a potential rollback, even though I do use Time Machine. If I’m gonna upgrade my laptop I’m gonna want the same 1TB and no less than 16GB RAM and that’s just not a device I foresee myself being able to afford within the next year. So I’m riding this one until the wheels fall off.

[@appelc4004]

i have the exact same computer (same specs) bought in November 2023. it replaced my M2 13" and it's such an upgrade to me. beautiful machine and the sound is incredible. bootcamp is awesome too, i love being able to run windows 10 natively. i have no plans to move back to apple silicon again.

[@claudiusvier]

I have one and i loved it, but my M2 air is just a different beast. Way lighter, slimmer, incredible battery. It is just so so so much better and i love it

[@joshuakolton9955]

M2 air is an incredible machine.

[@starzenno]

@@joshuakolton9955 I got the M2 Air base model, and I put it on low power mode after charging to 80-85%, it literally lasts like 5 days. In a single charge. God damn

[@rolf7135]

I also got one. I think it is a good laptop. I was a bit disappointed when I saw that the single core of the Dell Lattitude Intel Core i5-1335U I got on work this year, had a better single core performance. Multicore the MBP is still faster. The MBP 16" looks signifiantly better, have much better speakers, touchpad and keyboard than the Dell Latitude.

[@emilsecker7881]

Still only a 60hz display though

[@mathewm3073]

@@starzenno facts, the battery life is crazy. I wish phones had a long battery life

[@tomwagner4516]

Still using a 2015 15” with updated processor and dual graphics. Upgraded 2TB SSD. Bought for $100. Still does everything I need, and I use things pretty intensive. Use it more than my Apple Silicon Macs. Fan never bothers me, no big deal. Love it.

[@eastcoastwhale]

Recently upgraded to a fully specced 15 inch m3 air. Coming from the 16 inch 2019 it is a game changer. Amazing battery life. Fans barely turn on and the laptop stays cool. Had a MAXED OUT 16 inch 2019 MacBook and paid so much for it. Finally did it and it is the best choice ever.

[@modemser1k]

96 kw hour battery 3:13 time

[@ninja_boy]

I had this laptop. I got it in November 2019 and had it for two years until I replaced it with the M1 Max MacBook Pro in November 2021. For me, the 2019 16" was what the Touch Bar Macs should've been from the beginning. It's too bad it came out at the very end of the cycle...

[@arimaniac]

same, and I was replacing my 2013 trash can with it. Worst money spent lol

[@macmuchmore1]

I hated my 2019 16” i9 MacBook Pro. It ran so, so hot, throttled all the time, and had really poor performance. It was so bad that I bit the bullet and traded it in in 2021 for a 16” M1 Pro MacBook Pro, which I still use today - it still feels brand new and the performance is crazy good. I totally felt like Apple sold me a lemon in 2019. They are lucky I stayed with them.

[@Ryzobyte]

Touch Bar MacBooks are elite I don’t care about anyone’s opinion

[@skymyerspa]

absolutely right

[@deathdogg0]

I don't use the function keys except for escape and volume. The touch bar was a lot more useful in day to day life. Now, with a regular function row Macbook Air M1, tagging files in the finder is slightly harder, and in certain apps where quick actions normally hidden in submenus would appear, that bar would be a lifesaver. I wouldn't beg for it back, but I wouldn't complain if it returned

[@starkahmed43]

Yes

[@seansapir1]

@@deathdogg0 100% agree. also, I actually liked the thinner butterfly keys. The Magic Keyboard (standalone keyboard) is good too but the MacBook keyboards are so mushy now. its terrible

[@joshuakolton9955]

That would be cool if they brought a touchbar model for those who like it. Not my cup of tea personally but I know a lot of people really like it.

[@jivexero]

Got one fully loaded when they first came out. Used the hell out if it for 4 years. Hated how this thing fanned up and thermally throttled. Got a M2 Mac Studio and there is no comparison.

[@Ka1igon]

I still use a 2019 MacBook Pro 16”. I need real boot camp, not a virtualized windows machine. I run specialized software for work. Honestly, I can’t say I have any significant issues to this day. It hums along just fine and runs Halo Infinite and Overwatch in boot camp no problemo. Most people just need a laptop that has a fast SSD, good screen, solid speakers and keyboard and since before the age of the i9 9980hk in this thing, they haven’t really needed bigger and badder CPUs for office work and lifestyle use of a laptop. It still supports Continuity, handoff, sidecar, etc. It’s also slimmer and lighter than the M-series 16” macbook pros. For those with a decent TB3 Display, you never miss the HDMI port. Mouse and keyboard connected to the USB ports in your display works beautifully. I think this was how it was intended to be used. Portable, or else connected to an external display that also worked as a TB3 Hub. Great laptop and to get 1TB of storage in anything M-Series isn’t even remotely worth the cost of upgrading, imo.

[@AndreySavin]

glad there's a number of us fans of this model in the comments, I think mine is a great computer and although I can always appreciate the progress of Apple Silicon, I'm one of those people that just needs something well-rounded that works.

[@heroninja1125]

They should bring back the touchbar. But instead of having it replace the function keys. It should simply be placed above the function keys.

[@tom_marsden]

They could just do the sane thing and give it a touch screen.

[@0w3nn]

yeah like how the old hps did it

[@MTN1601]

I remember in 2010 when there’s a trend many laptops use capacitive touch buttons like my old gateway nv54

[@matt5721]

But then they can't remove features in the name of making it smaller when no one asked for that.

[@matt5721]

​@@tom_marsdencan't cannibalize iPad sales, that's why they will always be missing some overlap.

[@DonAle_97]

It’s amazing seeing that a lot of people still uses the 2019 16” MBP, most of them bought it back in ‘19-‘20, and still works nicely. This model has a SERIOUS DESIGN FLAW ON ITS MOTHERBOARD. The TPS62180 buck converter, when it dies due to corrosion, heating or dust inside of it, immediately FRIES the SSD NAND and you can’t recover your info because they’re in a RAID array. I love this machine, it has been with me since December 2021 (mine was produced in April ‘21) and still rocks, but I’m afraid that one day I will try to turn it on and it won’t do absolutely nothing. Because of that flaw, I bought a 2020 27” iMac, and now I use it as my primary machine, while the MacBook is my “backup” or secondary machine, and I don’t use it as I used to be.

[@0w3nn]

it won't do absolutely nothing? So it will do absolutely everything?

[@DonAle_97]

@@0w3nn it will die and won’t turn on anymore. iBoff and Louis Rossmann have a pair of videos about this.

[@kevinmckenna5682]

Yup. Mine fried itself to death after 3.5 years for exactly this reason.

[@EleanorMcHugh]

NAND failure is the main problem with all the Macs that use soldered storage. It’s the main thing I hate about Apple’s post-2015 design philosophy. My wife had the same thing happen to her MacBook 12” and lost a fair bit of stuff because she wasn’t using iCloud drive and her TimeMachine backups were out of date. It also meant having to source a new motherboard (they’re not that expensive on eBay but most tend to be the older specs, and 16GB RAM variants are becoming quite rare), though it’s possibly one of the simplest repairs due to how streamlined the internals are.

[@0w3nn]

@@EleanorMcHugh the 12 inch MacBook is one of the hardest laptops to repair with one of the highest rates of failures. Worst MacBook ever

[@SuperMannyMTB]

I had an M1 Macbook Pro with the touch bar. I didn’t mind it at all, but since upgrading to the M3 Pro MacBook Pro, I have to say that the having the function keys is way better! I wish they would have kept the touch bar and simply added the function row right below.

[@cameronbosch1213]

That would have been awesome. Sadly, that's been what Apple has been failing to do since Steve Jobs died; screwing over customers for more profits.

[@ABC-rh7zc]

Why? After 7 years of havig a touch bar I still haven't found it useful in any way. Quite the opposite - it often crashes.

[@adamreid5901]

I got one for $700 aud a year ago and it is a wonderful machine. Great screen no notch great performance with the i9

[@ThomasLanery]

I'm an IT consultant and at the time of this laptop, i recommended it a lot, and big pricy configurations. Now, i tell the truth to all the buyers of this Mac and give advice to keep it until it dies, because it's not a bad laptop, it's powerful, it has a nice screen, despite a lot of flaws that his successors haven't.

[@pauljazzman408]

I almost traded it back to Apple but only offered £450. So as you say just keep it till it dies.

[@dustincarpenter1707]

Was there an unusually high failure rate with the 16" 1TB SSDs of having the 12v rail short out?

[@pauljazzman408]

@@dustincarpenter1707 I had a 16inch Intel Mac have a dead motherboard just after 1 year. Got it replaced by seller under consumer law. Was that the 12v rail?

[@zanee1971]

I still use an early 2020 intel MacBook Pro 13 inch, base model with the Magic Keyboard. It burns my legs when I am using it pretty normally and Is very loud. Yes, It is way slower then the m1, but it has been getting the job done very well for 3 years.

[@berkinerengurman1401]

I am in the same macbook with 4 thunderbolt model. Mine doesnt get hot that much maybe you have to clean it or yours 2 thunderbolt model with one fan. I like it mine and keeping it at least 3 more years because bootcamp and it works fine even for me as industrial designer. No issues for 3d modelling on rendering i prefer my hackintosh (connecting via anydesk) If I want to upgrade m3 pro still base model offers 18gb ram 512gb storage but mine is 16gb 512 so its basically same and not enough for a pro machine in 2024

[@nmd7142]

I’m in the same boat

[@tajones7905]

I'm watching this video on my M1 Max and my 2019 16 is sitting on my dinning room table, haven't been used in months. Every time I turn it on to update it and I hear the fans make me so happy to have my M1 Max.

[@TheBalkanSpy]

I was selling my intel 16” when the m1 max was out. Ended up being scammed, basically stolen from me lol I find it a fitting story for that laptop tbh 😂

[@thomasm.uttendorfer8581]

I bought mine in March 2020. The only thing I don’t like is the fans kicking in a lot. I purposely did not buy an M1 because of the software I use that is not compatible so I don’t regret it at all. But yes, this laptop deserved better. I bought it because I knew it fixed a lot of the issues the previous Mac Intel laptops had. And it was 16 inch.

[@DonAle_97]

Until the TPS62180 buck converter dies and fries the SSD NAND. Have one and I’m afraid of that serious design flaw.

[@WarrenMelnick]

I have that laptop in an even beefier and more expensive version. I just got an M2 Max MBP and it is night and day. The 2019 now permanently runs boot camp for games.

[@marshall_wong_]

All the best to Johnathan Morrison hope you recover soon

[@fist003]

yeah, i was kinda expecting some announcement to help Johnathan since Luke used some of his video in this

[@marshall_wong_]

@@fist003 yeah tbh a little dissapointed but lets hope Johnathan recover soon

[@RustyOnTECH]

Dang, I had forgotten I even owned one of these. It was a beast. I was in America when the M1 was announced. I immediately ordered an M1 MacBook Air for when I returned home, and sold my Intel Mac as I could see the depreciation on the wall. Thankfully, I got pretty much what I paid for it!

[@helveklikk]

My sister got this to do her design college courses and she spent over 3k on it to get something capable of handling design and 3d work and soon after the m1 was introduced. She got screwed over by Apple big time...

[@RandyRydberg]

I used one of these for work up until two months ago. Never had a problem with it, plenty fast for everything I did. I liked the LED bar. I just lost that job and I miss this notebook. I did have some jealousy on everybody after me that had M1 chips, but our company made them have the smallest Mac notebook, whereas I had the slower chip and bigger monitor. Since I was doing fine speed-wise, I was fine with the slower processor. I am getting great results on my loaded 2018 Mac Mini for home use (graphics, GoPro videos, and the usual other stuff), it has been so solid for the past five, six years now. That replaced an anemic 2014 Mac Mini that I had to limp along with until Apple got its act together and did an upgrade to the Mini, I don't miss that long wait. On another note, I'm rocking two 30" Apple Cinema Displays and have been for years now, I even bought a third one in case one goes out. I really liked the videos Luke did on these.

[@skylermoreno2277]

i'm still using the 2019 macbook pro, 16 inch, base model... i do music production and it gets the job done just fine

[@DanLoudShirts]

Even if you test drove an M1 you would see an immediate difference.

[@maximdefoy8165]

I had one until m2 pro, and the différence is big!

[@SandiMardiansyah]

same with me I'm still using 2019 MBP 16 inch for music production, but mine is i9 and 32 GB RAM

[@DonAle_97]

When did you bought it?

[@appelc4004]

@@DanLoudShirts i sold my M2 macbook pro for this 2019 16" and the only thing i like more with apple silicon is the battery life

[@jromero.337]

I do have 16 inch MacBook Pro 2019 and really LOVE it!

[@DanLoudShirts]

You even try a 16" M chip laptop and you will suddenly realise how dreadful the 2019 is.

[@RAISING_WOLVES]

@@DanLoudShirts Completely

[@jromero.337]

​@@DanLoudShirts No, I have never owned an M Series Mac since it launched. I am waiting until my Mac crashes or becomes outdated, and then I will buy the new 16-inch M Series MacBook Pro later.

[@DonAle_97]

How much time have you been owning it? I have one but I’m afraid of the serious design flaw that it has on its motherboard.

[@appelc4004]

i went from apple silicon to this computer and haven't looked back. the only thing i liked more about my M2 macbook pro was the battery life

[@Jason-mk3nn]

Dude, Apple does this every time they do a platform change. And, to make matters worse, they generally do it to those that spend the most on Apple products. Whether that be the MacPros, or Servers (back in the days), Apple is King at get people to clear out old inventory before raining a storm of obsolescence on their newly arrived parade. But, because Apple fans are the best apologists, we just suck it up and accept it. I miss the days of Walt Mossberg calling them out on this stuff.

[@axethepenguin]

Biggest case when Steve introduced the PowerMac G5 which only got TWO major OS X versions!!! And still claimed in the keynote that PowerPC will be supported for years to come. Come 2009, Leopard got succeeded and no PowerPC Mac’s got it

[@user-qy2wf2lt6v]

@@axethepenguin I think that the reason he said "years" was why you got TWO majors OS X versions, instad of just one.

[@stormyday849]

I have one of those I bought it a few months back and I’m mainly using it as a Windows laptop. It’s been a great laptop.

[@vokso11]

Absolutely right! This laptop version (with all the corrections) was supposed to be the one to be released in 2016. The issue with Apple is the immediate gaslight whenever customers point out a design flaw with their products (the " you are using the product wrong, here is how to use it properly" type of thing). what is funny is how quickly and quietly they make changes when the backlash is too high without recognising publicly they were wrong. That arrogance is something I ABSOLUTELY HATE about Apple. This explains why I went from my 13-inch 2015 MCBK pro to the 16-inch M1 pro in 2022 and still using it.

[@longpheu]

been using this since early 2020. I9, 16GB RAM, Radeon 5500M. The main died once in April 2022 but I was lucky to get it replaced for free under consumer law. Unfortunately it’s not good; gets hot really fast and fans run very loud. Simple tasks such as web browsing is laggy. I hope one day I’d save enough money to buy Apple Silicon. The best thing I could say is that this laptop becomes my portable hub for charging my iphone, ipad and apple watch while travelling lol.

[@DonAle_97]

Everybody gangsta til’ the TPS62180 buck converter dies and fries the SSD NANDs

[@hyun-shik7327]

Fun fact I graduated high school in 2020 and for graduation my parents got me the latest MacBook Pro at the time. It was this one, and I was super happy with it. Then M1 series CPUs started coming out. Now I still have my 2019 16” as my daily driver and it gets the job done just fine.

[@merano7336]

2019 mac book pro basically an ad to the apple silicone

[@merano7336]

just like linus predicted

[@Leigthal_]

I used this model at work (I’m a UX designer)… The bad - the heat - the fans - the awful battery life - woeful performance - the touch bar is useless (means you have to take eyes off work- it was always a gimmick). The good - the speakers sound unreal; better than anything out there today - the big screen I ended up getting an ‘upgrade’ to a 1st gen M1 13” MacBook Air… and yes it was an upgrade- fixing all the bad aspects above made it a more dependable machine despite the smaller screen/speakers.

[@primefaya]

I literally ordered 4 of 2019 macbook pro last night! Haha I agree with everything you say pal. But it depends on the type of pro you are.. In our case we run a highly lucrative (95% profit-margin) web design agency, this machine at its current refurbished price will pay for itself literally after 24 hours. Be practical folks, it's all about ROI..

[@mchambers140]

😂 wasn’t expecting the smooth jazz at the end

[@keithwalsh1882]

We've been using one of these for the past 4 1/2 years. It's a really good machine and we've had zero issues with it. No plans to replace it any time soon either. What exactly can the Apple Silicon Macs do that I can't do on this machine. It makes no real difference for anything on the web, office apps, video conferencing, photo editing etc. It's plenty fast, has an excellent screen, mic, speakers etc. It still gets OS/security updates (even if that's only for another 1-2 years the machine will be 6-7 years old by then). We'll eventually replace it when the time comes, like with everything else.

[@accordinglyryan]

I bought one of these brand new. Only had it for like 6 months before I sold it to buy a 2019 Mac Pro in May of 2020, a month before the Apple Silicon transition. Call that a kick in the nuts lol. Still using it to this day alongside my 14" 2021 MBP. I fear my remaining support days are numbered, but I'm getting as much use out of it as I can!

[@Poliwager]

A pretty similar thing happened with the PowerBook G4 right after the Intel transition was announced. It got DDR2 RAM, a higher resolution display, a dual-layer SuperDrive, and more battery life. And then less than 3 months later, the MacBook Pro came out and blew it out of the water.

[@盾神京矢]

This MacBook Pro 16 has a catastrophic self-frying SSD. You can’t call it good even if it had Apple Silicon.

[@PHOYTEQ]

I have this one with 32GB of ram and 8GB graphics. I’ve used it a lot in photo editing, CAD and in harsh environments this past 4 years and it’s been great. I’ve started to look for a replacement a couple of weeks ago, and will probably land on a M2 Pro 14”

[@jeremiahsmith5900]

It really takes discernment by consumers to understand timing with technology. My wife wanted to upgrade her macbook pro 2011 for a couple years, but because I knew the 2015-2019 macbooks were just not very good designs I upgraded the RAM and storage on her old macbook and told her to wait. Then got her an M1 air on sale for $800 within a few months of it coming out. Similarly, I wouldn't sink a lot of money into a windows laptop right now, because I want to see how windows on ARM goes with the new Snapdragon chips. There are plenty of other examples too.

[@jerryubah7327]

Man I remember getting this early 2020, I got the 5600m, installed boot camp enjoyed 1080p gaming and the windows experience. It was also fast at the time on MacOS. Render times in After Effects was decent and not really an issue but over time, in a quick time, it became obsolete immediately the M1 Max came into the picture. I was hoping to use ithe 2019 MBP for at least 4-5yrs before upgrading. But then it became evident that this is gonna be the last of its kind and I'll need a faster laptop. So I got M3 Max MPB immediately it was available in lLate 2023.

[@orozco5929]

i’ve always loved this Macs touch bar generation design, they were so clean

[@BTMovieSecondChannel]

I agree! Sadly the hardware was really lackluster compared to the M1+ Macs.😊

[@DanLoudShirts]

Touch bars were always a pain. Had loads of failures with them. They were just a gimmick. If they were any good they would have kept them but they didn't. That tells you everything.

[@ayindesmith]

The Touch Bar made me feel futuristic, new machines book might be better but they have 0 emotional impact compared to the touch bar models

[@SamCoder.]

I upgraded from my 15-inch, Early 2013 MacBook Pro to a 13-inch, M2 MacBook Pro a year ago... I Miss the old Intel days when I could dual boot Windows and macOS NATIVLY from my Mac... And the fan noise... ahhhhhhhh! Sounded like I was in a jet engine when in my room... Edit: The fans were thunderous... So loud in fact, that whoever sat beside me when I was using this laptop thought that the rains had started, cuz it sounded like that

[@Pranay_singh_]

The edit was much required😂

[@ttk737475]

Can’t agree with you more And I was upgraded to m2 pro 16 And I missed the good old days that I used 2019 16 i9 to warm my lap…

[@henryisaacs6268]

I’m an architecture student with the minimum spec 2019 MBP 16. While Apple Silicon came out around same time I bought it (3.5ish years ago) my laptop was much better because all our software were optimised for Intel Macs. My mates with M1s were struggling for ages because their machines ran software thru Rosetta. Its only really now that the Silicon Macs are winning because all our main softwares are optimised for Silicon. So I reckon although now its a bit old, MBP 2019 still a beast and I love it :)

[@nambrosch]

i still use mine, just disable intel turbo boost and it helps out with the fan/heat/battery issue.

[@CozyMoose]

I thought it was weird that the 2019 16-inch was basically a one off. Wonder if Apple was planning to keep it around and put Apple Silicon in it (like they did with the 13-inch) but then opted to kill the Touch Bar and do a complete redesign?

[@zh9732]

I got the impression it was a separate unit, they were trying to fix the 2018's issues and then it turned out they could use some of the elements from the 2021

[@davidscamerajourney]

I had one of these, could see the way the wind was blowing and swapped it out for a 16gb MacBook Air M1. Anyone that kept hold of these whilst they still had value were insane.

[@frankle_au]

Still got one of these for music production and basic photo work … and I also have a 13” quad core i7 with the same keyboard, use it every week for djing. As much as I’d like to upgrade they both still do what they need to and here in Australia I’d be spending $4k plus to replace them with a reasonable 14” MacBook Pro M2 Max. Not worth it in the current economic climate.

[@justrolls1004]

you know what - I have M1 pro max 16 - use it for video editing - main purpose, but also was using for anything else as it was my only laptop. But when I got around 2015 macbook air for 100, I grabbed it and now using it for everything else other that video editing, as its light, good battery enough, does all I need reasonably fast. So now saving my m1 from performance degradation, and using it once in a 1 or 2 weeks and super happy with it. And because its so light, I can take it anywhere and not even feel it in the backpack (compared to my 16inch). When I checked that m1 still at around 500 these days, I have to say, old intel air is still quote an awesome deal for general use.

[@brucestrickland8561]

I'm watching this video on a 2019 16" MacBook Pro. As a non-power user I got it for the large display. This video proves the adage that the fastest thing computers do is go obsolete.

[@TheSuhas96]

I am typing this from a Late 2016 Macbook Pro - 13 inch with the Dual Core i5 (2 USB - C ports). Got this in Feb 2017 and knock on wood has been really good for my use case. Would love to try out the M- Chips based macs someday.

[@unCoopervised]

I spent $3300 on the i9 16” w/32GB of RAM and took an online cybersecurity course. 12 hours a week of class time plus labs. With zoom, at least two browser windows and a handful of browser tabs open each, and an external display plus an iPad connected as a sidecar display, and one or two virtual machines running, it would overheat and crash after an hour or so. To get through class I kept freezer gel packs handy and started rotating them under it the last hour of 2 of class. Also got a fan and cpu temp monitor and just set the fans to max the minute I turned it on. I can literally do the SAME THING on my (now 3 1/2 year old) M1 MacBook Air (16GB RAM) and I can’t slow it down and though it gets quite warm, it’s never hot.

[@stuartaparker]

I bought the i9 2.3 64GB/2TB/8GB 5500m version from the Apple refurb store in May of 2020 for £3300. I've just upgraded to a 16" M3 Max 16/40 64GB 2TB (again from the refurb store and saved £800). I never really felt like it "got got" because the i9 still worked, it didn't suddenly stop working or stop doing the things I did with it. Apple Silicon was new in laptops and intel still had many advantages. I'm keeping it. For me it's worth more as a second macbook than the stupid low money i'd get for it.

[@MooseAgainstMankind]

I bought this MacBook a few months ago, because I need the Intel Chip for native Windows support. Also there is no 16" screen on a mac with 32GB ram and dedicated graphics (I got the 8gb radeon version) for this price. Love this machine.

[@videostar348]

I had the 16" 2019 model with i9, 32gb ram, 1tb ssd, AMD 5500m 8gb and that machine was just constantly loud and hot. The gpu was bugged and it ran even hotter when connected to a external display because the dedicated gpu was allways active and it pulled like 20w on idle. Upgraded to a 16" m1 max 32gb 1tb which was a huge upgrade in beeing completly silent during normal developer work tasks.

[@chrisdown2591]

I had the 16" intel macbook from 2019 to 2023. It was really good! FAR better than the previous 15" machines. I upgraded to the M2 32GB RAM macbook only recently with reduced referb pricing after the M3 came out. While I had the intel system I was jealous of the M chip macbooks. I was jealous of the fan noise and the magsafe and the great screen and the ports and the power. It was fantastic that Apple reacted to their customers and the changes in the 16" intel propagated to the M chip macbooks. Lessons learned it seems!

[@HearMeLearn]

Also, speaking about jonathan morrison, he released a video yesterday that everyone here should see. that's all I'm going to say about it.

[@cameronbosch1213]

Yeah, it's awful what he had to go through!

[@bartonlynch]

I saw it last night with a teary eye.

[@panzer_TZ]

It's tough to watch. I remember watching TLD when the Iris Pro 15" MacBook Pro came out in 2013, so I've been watching his channel for over 10 years at this point.

[@Errcyco]

My cousin had this.. spent like $3,000 and carried it everywhere. His wife got drunk and bad and whipped a glass beer bottle at it and busted it. He sunk into a depression and moved out. lol.. no joke. All is well now, he's doing great in school and has a 14" Pro I think he said. And I know he also has a base M1 MacBook Air too. I gotta say though when I used this machine I was like dude.. I need one.

[@PicoNeo3]

still rocking the 16 inch (base model) picked it up for 350 like 8 months ago. I love it, i know it's not gonna last forever, but thats ok, ive used my moms m1 air, and its buttery smooth, but the screen size on this is amazing. its not the best, its not the most efficient, or powerful, or anything like that. but it still works, and I still love it

[@itsmilan4069]

4:16 little Johnny with poker face 😂

[@darijoe1]

A terrific subject for a video of yours, Luke. The 2019 16 inch was certainly going to be rendered significantly outdated in 2 years' time, but the thing is there had to be a MacBook Pro of some sort released then. Plus it had so many good features that laid the foundation for the Apple Silicon generation of MacBook Pros, which we can thank the 2019 model for basically trialing.

[@donnguyen3795]

I had one of this, accidentally brick it when trying to apply new thermal paste. Later trade to M1 pro but this thing still holds a special place in my heart because it is my first mac.

[@Stop4MotionMakr]

This video is to timely, I just picked up a 10 years old late 2014 27" iMac and updated it to Sonoma with legacy patcher. Aside from the fact that I can hear the fan and everything is a bit slower it's actually a surprisingly bearable experience

[@kinocchio]

Apple needs to stop ignoring desktop macs.

[@robertp457]

It's classic Apple. It likely won't change any time soon.

[@OpasgegenLinks]

They don't. There's the iMac for office work and the Mac Studio for heavy tasks.

[@kinocchio]

@@OpasgegenLinks Mac Studio still on M2.

[@axethepenguin]

@@kinocchiotbf M2 is still a great CPU

[@kinocchio]

@@axethepenguin I ain’t buying m2 now

[@Wayne-sn6qy]

8:25 intel chip is truly a nightmare. I was an Asus rog laptop user with 11th gen intel and It always goes crazy noisy when idle, in web scrolling, copying and pasting files in file explorer, and basically everything. I'm so happy with my decision to get a M1 Max Macbook after the mess.

[@Chopper153]

3:11 96 kWh battery?😂😂😂

[@DojoOfCool]

I still miss my 17" MacBook with a ton of ports on it. My computer I still do most my computing on is my 2020 27" i9 ten core iMac and is as fast as my Macbook Pro M1 Max. It really shows that core counts matter. Apple loves to talk about core counts, but what matters is how many performance cores there are unless doing graphics heavy work then GPUs are important part of that equation.

[@SterkeYerke5555]

I still use my 17" MacBook whenever I need a laptop

[@LoesserOf2Evils]

I have one and I still use it for everything computational. I am not disappointed that I got it right before the M-series were released.

[@quentinbertrand4831]

This video brought a tear to the corner of my eye. To see such a marvel of technology so easily replaced is so sad.

[@64-bitMicro]

I had one of these as soon as it was released to replace the earlier 15", I'm a software developer and this ended up being terrible for that. I got the top sku i9 with 32GB/2TB - the problem with the CPU was that it just ran too hot and thermal throttled. One particular project that takes under 40 seconds to build on an M2 pro, took over 3 minutes on the i9 with the fans on max. We took a entry sku version with the i7 and put it alongside the i9, the i7 was actually faster as the thermal throttling issues were delayed. It ended up sitting back in the box after 6 months. Likely much better for 'burst' type tasks like scrubbing through video editing previews, terrible for any sustained tasks longer than a minute or so.

[@pneumaturgo3620]

I got one and I love it, way better than any M ‘cause one element key to my humble person: Bootcamp+dedicated GPU. No M Mac will be able to run Windows games and software so effectively and natively. I won’t be upgrading anytime soon, frankly.

[@jg3d]

Still using my 2019 MBP 16” with eGPU, still love it !

[@brafya]

im still using this notebook, ive no desire to upgrade especially when sequoia got announced for it too, still does everything i need and has as much muscle in bootcamp as an xbox series s for gaming when i got some downtime from work.

[@JessicaFEREM]

I think that if they had the touch bar that worked in tandem with function keys, not replacing them, the touch bar might've not been hated so much.

[@HostileMAV]

I had a 2018 intel 15 inch Macbook Pro. As soon as Apple silicon came out I sold It before it depreciated. I don't miss the fan noise and how hot it got. When I checked temperatures it was always at 80-90 degrees.

[@Menageryl]

I had the mid-level skew with 1TB and 4GB 5500M. And it popped several gaskets in me several weeks ago. Fortunately I have VERY comprehensive insurance because I couldn't have replaced it myself. Now have a 2 week old 16-inch M3 Pro. But I'm still in 2 minds about it... Happy I have a current device. Sorry to see the last real, solid Intel Mac go this way. Woulda liked to hold onto it into the future as a landmark machine.

[@alexdimauro1]

This touches on all the best parts about that MacBook line! I will say, this was the absolute best culmination of that design and I can’t even imagine what it would’ve be like with Apple silicone. That being said, happy with the redesign and love the current generation MacBook lineups 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@rockstardavemac1]

Yes I purchased the exact same 2019 Macbook pro 16in for like $3500 - 4000.00 and I am still using it today. What was worse, I turned around and bought the 2020 13in Macbook pro a few months later for a more portable version. Still using that one too. OMG

[@diegosanchez894]

A lot of programs still dont run well or even at all on arm, so this is still valuable to many people.

[@markwilliams9907]

Ha! Yes, still have mine for home use. It works flawlessly, no issues. I had to buy it when I did, so no bad feelings. Will upgrade when it bombs-out!

[@AnonN-sr6uu]

The 2019 16" DID get a video for it. I suggest you look it up, it's one of Apple's best.

[@appelc4004]

i actually bought a 2022 M2 Macbook Pro 13" in 2022, sold it and got this 2019 16" i9 instead for $900 november last year. i wanted a larger display, better sound, larger trackpad, bootcamp, and the ability to charge from either side of the laptop. the only downgrade is battery life. i have 4 times the storage and memory (2tb/32gb instead of 512gb/8gb) wayyy better sound, faster charger to use on my iPad, and the ability to run windows natively is amazing. the only thing i really miss from the M2 is the color silver instead of space gray.

[@av8r22]

my 2019 got so hot and loud. I spent close to $2400 on mine. Great laptop but super hot. My M3 Pro 16" is silent and cold while running multiple apps and streaming video. It's so rad!

[@computer1up]

I’ve had my M1 MacBook Air for for quite a while now, but I’ve used a 2019 16” MacBook Pro for work for about a year and a half, and I was using it for personal use too (since that was fully allowed, heck I was the sysadmin myself xD). Even though I had my MBA right next to me most of the time, I nearly always still chose the 16” MBP. It wasn’t all that much different from my MBA as far as speed and responsiveness, but the large display and incredible speakers were amazing! Still sad, because tomorrow will be the day I have to part ways with it and give it back since I no longer work there. You’ll be missed, MacBook Pro!

[@GermanCarGuyMN]

I wonder if there is a way to solder in a motherboard with Apple Silicon because other than the intel processor, that is the perfect MacBook. Great graphics, massive screen, fantastic battery, no butterfly keyboard, and a touchbar with physical escape key. Literally perfect

[@u1ti]

Yeap also spent like 3k+ on mine. Managed to sell it for just over $900 a few months ago, which I felt was lucky. Ended up getting an m1 macbook air instead because it's so much lighter to backpack.

[@lindafus9251]

I have this 16" i9 2019 MacBook pro. It will be used until it dies. I see nothing wrong with it. I use an M1 Mac mini for my desktop. I no longer upgrade my Apple products like I used to. I am sure at some point I will run into a road block and need to but for now life it good.

[@wullfyularen3044]

Hey luke! Long time subscriber of your channel. I just wanted to say that I really appreciate the smooth jazz music at the end of the video, instead of electronic music. Had me sit in and enjoy it, instead of clicking away asap 😅. If you would ask me, i would say that smooth jazz is the way to go!)

[@pauljazzman408]

Yes Luke I bought that 16inch intel 2019 on your recommendation. Then M1 came out. But still it’s a thin good laptop.

[@bigdraco5008]

I own this beast! I bought this new for 1250€ two years ago! Man, I love this machine. I will still choose this over the M2 Macbook air 15-inch.

[@woooozaaa6528]

3:14 A 96 kWh battery? Damn! That's basically as big as the 100 kWh battery in a Tesla Model S Plaid! :D

[@woooozaaa6528]

@@MouseQueen7220 Of course Apple keeps removing ports! At least it's got a headphone jack :D

[@sxkcb]

Bought one in the summer of 2020, because I thought that there was no way M1 would be that competitive (silly me). Sold it (without taking a huge loss) the next winter once the M1 benchmarks were online, and jumped on the Silicon bandwagon straight away with the money. Never looked back. But I must say, this was probably the most beautiful laptop I ever owned. The epitome of form over function.

[@DavidHolliday]

Yep, I had that last Intel Mac. The best thing I ever did was trade it for a 14” M1 which is a fantastic computer I still use.

[@CrustyChucky]

I bought my used 16" I7 in Nov 2020 for $920. Always thought that I should have just bought an M1. But, it still works great for me, a moderate user. Can't justify the expense of the M3 as long as this one still works.