This MAJOR Classic Sonic Timeline Theory WAS True?!

[@SonicHubYT]

Would you have preferred the Classic Sonic timeline split theory to stay (Neo Classic Sonic Timeline)? Or do you like the idea of one timeline that we currently have? NGL this reveal was kind of insane to me lol

[@sonicthehedgehog1606]

I still believe the 2 timeline theory

[@Red_alpaca]

One timeline is more simple

[@SonicXShadowGensHype]

2 timelines bro

[@IchigoKurosakitheSalvation]

Either or works but one keeps it simple

[@marcyweller6953]

I looooooove it

[@olivierplante361]

It could be like in Doctor Who when he meet his past self. When they go their separate ways, the past him forget about the encounter to preserve the timeline.

[@DRMK_best_on_yt]

I think that Classic Sonic and Modern Sonic are one, but the Classic Sonic from Forces and Gens is different. I think there are 2 Classic Sonics where the first one did not experience Gens, but the second one did experience Gens and Forces. How is this possible you ask? Well, Classic Sonic from another dimension was brought to Gens and Forces, because of the Time Eater and the Phantom Ruby. They affected other dimensions which causes that Classic Sonic was brought to Gens and Forces. I actually think Classic Sonic is just Sonic from another dimension and that the other Classic Sonic isn’t Classic Sonic, it's just Modern Sonic from the past.

[@lAlwaysHopel]

This makes sense and even Tails tube talked about Sonics from different dimensions.

[@ARedFellow]

Classic sonic's mind gets erased every time he travels back to his time And that's what i want to think :p

[@cool7492]

Consider that Sonic Superstars may have been in development when the timeline split was canon. Not that it changes anything, but it's interesting to think about.

[@Etch..]

I always liked the whole Split Timeline thing, as we already had a Multiverse with the Sonic Rush games, and it’d be an easy way to avoid Time Paradoxes, also a Multiverse doesn’t always make things meaningless, it just depends on how it’s handled, which there are much better Multiverse stories out there than modern media would have you believe

[@heroicgangster9981]

Honestly multiverse stories are interesting if they setup altering dynamics from the "vanilla' universe. Or if they are just seen as different universes to expand story on. I think that's why people would want a Blaze game, so that we can see how her own adventures are different from Sonic especially with her being sold as the Sonic of her own universe. One who handles all the responsibilities and everyone relies on because of her role as a princess.

[@Gnidel]

For me the multiverse could work only if there will be more crossovers like Forces. Otherwise it's just bloat that makes it harder to flesh out both universes.

[@tarheelpro87]

(Third Paragragh is probably Tl:Dr just to warn you, I went on a tangent there) I’m just now hearing about people hating multiverses or things like that, I never really saw a problem with it. Like in South Park the Panderverse, Kyle says it’s an excuse for lazy writing, but I don’t see it like that. Unless he’s talking about how stories make complete contradictions of what happened in a previous story, and they excuse with that, then I totally agree. But a multiverse where we have separate timelines of events going on, or every universe has entirely different people and events in it, I think it’s cool. It could be a good way to excuse something like a big crossover or whatever, like Super Smash Bros all while being canon since they’re all separate. Which I don’t think SSB games are canon, but that’s just a thought. I’ve heard people say similar things about Dragon Breaks in the Elder Scrolls Universe, where time gets messed up and multiple timelines of events occur at the same time in the same world, and eventually connect to each other in the main timeline. They say it doesn’t make sense, but if you ask me, 90% of Elder Scrolls makes zero logical sense. I know it’s all about what’s been “established as a thing in canon” well guess what? It is now, deal with it. I don’t like the Ahsoka show, but c’mon, fighting Starfighters in space? “It’s not established in lore” but there’s a billion things that can also be going on that we haven’t seen in the Star Wars universe, how the hell do you know it’s not been established? Should Usain Bolt be considered not canon to real life since nobody else ran as fast as him, therefore it’s not established in our understanding of the World, and he’s non canon. That can’t be true though, cause you can’t decide what’s “canon” or not in the world, and it’s a known fact that he did run faster than anyone else in recorded history. Some things are just beyond our comprehension. Like how did a Big Bang occur because of pressure and/or gas build up? Those things had to have come from somewhere, but you’ll end up with nothing. Same with every religion’s God(s), Everything in the world comes from something, so how do we start at nothing? Nothing can’t make something. Shouldn’t that be “lore breaking” to our real world? To our established science? Some things are just beyond our comprehension, no point in arguing about it. We learn new things everyday, if we passed off everything new we learned as not true because it hasn’t been established as true, I wonder what society would look like, if there even would be one. Some things are just complete dumbass bullshit dumped into a story that make no sense, but spare me with the “it’s not established in lore” when you were probably just fine with everything else introduced to a franchise.

[@JD-xz1mx]

"a Multiverse doesn’t always make things meaningless, it just depends on how it’s handled" Are we talking about multiple universes, or infinite universes where every possible outcome happens somewhere? If the former, sure. If the latter, well no then it makes things meaningless by definition. If everything you do always makes a new universe where the opposite outcome occurs, you could never meaningfully accomplish anything. If Amy Rose were about to be killed and you try to save her, if you do save her you'll simply create another Amy who gets killed. If you fail, you'll simply create another Amy that gets saved. You can't alter the outcome in any way whatever other than which event you personally witness.

[@DJMKFULLER]

Years ago my old school blocked the School district site of which i needed to access my account and student portal. "What the fuck?!" Was my exact reaction, like how the fuck was i supposed to do my work?!

[@KeyBlade16]

Since the Silver Emerald allows Classic Sonic to homing attack I'd say Superstars comes after Gens since the ending of that game has him attempting the homing dash before he returned back to his timeline with Classic Tails.

[@heroicgangster9981]

Silver Emerald connects the classic Sonic cast to their powers in the future. Because SILVER!!!!!!

[@WakoDoodle]

Imagine if it's revealed that the Silver Emerald actually created or somehow became Silver the Hedgehog. Which explains why he's called Silver. Also the reason he's a Hedgehog is because it used the dna of sonic, sinvlce he was the most compatible with the emeralds. A sort of Silver Emerald Hedgehog, but hey.. that's just a theory...

[@Scottishboy3693]

A game theory

[@InkRoller18]

At this point I headcanon that classic sonic is changing the future by doing things different in the past. (Hence why modern sonic remembers the new games now)

[@doubt2022]

cant yall understand already there is no specific timeline, and Sega does this just to attract people who do care about Sonic timeline

[@themightofgeburah5882]

3:50 hey that was from me and Mirror’s interview with Ian Flynn! Thanks for the reference! 😁

[@SonicHubYT]

No wayyy that’s sick haha!

[@CSTH1]

I wouldn't mind a timeline split, so they're not as limited with future Classic games, but I understand why they want to try and connect everything together. All I want at this point is just for them to focus on making future stories good. Time travel can be involved, but it shouldn't always be involved because the lore will get really messy really quickly. Everything should be able to work within the confines of its own story. Plot wise, games can build on each other, but they shouldn't always need to. This discussion kind of makes my brain hurt, so I hope people can understand what I mean. 😅

[@jboyathegamer]

Great speech as always but the problem is they are changing the lore over and over but to be fairly honest I love sonic I just wish we got some good stories kinda like the dark age

[@slainredd4339]

I’m glad they’re all under one timeline because it goes to show that past games matter to the overall series.

[@shupasopni]

They could have done that without a singular timeline. The point of the timeline split was that things split after Gens. Everything in Classic would still be pr split and be considered the past of the central timeline.

[@slainredd4339]

@@shupasopni thats just dumb because they wouldn’t matter to the main timeline…

[@shupasopni]

@@slainredd4339Oh. So by past games you meant relatively recent past games? I guess that's true.

[@slainredd4339]

@@shupasopni yes games that take place in the past as well as the games that’s released in the past

[@chillihog1543]

I definitely would have preferred them to separate Classic n Modern Sonic timeline since Sega/Sonic Team will just rope themselves into a corner after trying to fit a new Classic Sonic game timeline into the Modern timeline. Plus if the timelines are splitted, then it would have given more freedom for Classic Sonic to have more interesting stories, new characters, and new abilities that change up the Classic formula.

[@SERGEO-sn4pj]

I know its kinda random but i love your kirby shirt.I love kirby

[@mannysworld3713]

I prefer having a neo classic timeline separate because if it's separate then they can create new stories, new characters, new villains and they can tell stories that won't be limited because it won't be from the past

[@ashemabahumat4173]

There is a split still, they just don't know what they're doin and have retroactively changed shit cuz they don't know what they're doin. Literally pulling things outta their ass and are completely unsure about anything.

[@ZaeTape]

Classic boom sonic don’t fail boom again

[@thedankdragon6485]

classic games would still matter to M.Sonic even if the timeline split happened like Sonic 1,CD,2,3&K still happened for M.Sonic but when Generations happens C.Sonic becomes his own thing which is why Mania happends since the events of Mania didn't happened for the Modern Cast hacen why M.Eggman wound not know what the Phantom Ruby is in the prequal comic of Forces and after Forces happens Mania Plus & Superstars happened to Classic Sonic and Modern Sonic Continues to other adventures too like Frontiers. The split timeline just makes more sense to me then the one big timeline that they are trying yo do now.

[@knowingjordankid]

This Mayor Classic Sonic Timeline Theory I kinda agree with. I do know that Classic Sonic takes place in the past. The thing about the Neo Classic Sonic Timeline is how did Eggman in the Classic universe know about the phantom Ruby that came into Sonic Forces but I don’t know if the phantom Ruby split the Timeline I don’t know it’s very confusing with the Classic Sonic Timeline. I can see why people would said that they want the whole entire timeline to be one Timeline instead of two Timelines but I think it would make sense that Classic Sonic had his own timeline.

[@girlofcreativity7667]

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤Wow!!! Great job!!!! Thanks for the heads up!!!

[@JaxonTails-xf7xi]

Sonic generations happens twice because classic sonic and modern sonic both meet. So that means it happens in the classic timeline and in the modern timeline. (In the past and present

[@liamconnollyst]

I do agree a bit because there's separate timelines throughout the various adaptations and some shown in Prime, but the current status makes me think that not all the games are considered non-cannon or side-story to the main games.

[@mistorbear]

honestly, i liked the timeline split theory, despite making the lore a tiny bit more confusing (but at least not LoZ tier). but with the new retcon, there's probably gonna be a TON of plot holes now, still kinda okay though

[@luanpg5005]

I just have two questions about the timeline: 1- Where is C.SONIC using or learning the Boost? Because in the ending of sonic generations, C.Sonic was trying to use the boost, ok. But when he travels back, while the story continues, he should have perfected the boost in, for exemple, S.Mania or even in superstars 2- if c.sonic started learning the boost AFTER he met m.sonic, so...... (here it is where the question start) Before generation how did the "original sonic" (m.sonic) learned the boost? because in the "original timeline" there is no OLDER version of himself to teach or inspire him to learn the boost. Now I´m thinking the correct question is "Where in the timeline sonic learn the boost?

[@themustachioedfish5988]

This would be an example of the bootstrap paradox. The knowledge of how to use boost has no origin point, it's an endless loop. In the real world, it'd be a good indicator that what's happening isn't possible, but in fiction you can get away with this sort of thing.

[@waffledwaffling]

I just think that all the games go in a loop, sometimes not in order. Like when Classic Sonic grows up to be Modern Sonic, he will meet Classic Sonic from an even earlier time, and Modern Sonic will remember that this happened before.

[@Roobieee]

W Sonichub and great video

[@gamemaster2819]

So the whole theory of the split timeline...it may actually have just been the result of a bad translation. The word "sekai". It seems to also have caused the anger with fans about the two worlds concept Brief summary: the word Sekai has been used by Silver in 06 and Rivals, Izuka to describe the human and animal games, and Tails for Classic Sonic. It directly translates to world, but can vaguely mean universe or society. Recent fiction has also allowed for the use of eras of time. When Izuka said there is a human world and an animal world, he more meant Sonic travels between different societies. Silver has said Sonic was responsible for destroying his world, when he was treating his era as a different world (this one didn't cause as much of a stir). But most of all, the worst translation into dimension just caused all this confusion.

[@Starfall_abyss]

I'd like to think that they were one timeline but once eggmen used the time eater they basically did the same thing time breakers do in sdbh and dbxv2, they splited the timeline into 2 timelines which caused classic sonic to exist, once this happened, sonic 1 - sonic superstars became their own timeline and the start of modern is maybe like sonic x, season 1 happening, adventure 1 & 2 happening then sonic heroes and keeps going till lost world, this all shouldn't have happened but eggman messed with time and broke it, to make it more sense let's say that sonic mania didn't even existed in the first place but the time splitting caused it to happen, then it caused sonic forces, let's also say that the Phantom ruby was the issue of all of this timeline thing, eggman used the time eater, probably splited timelines by creating the Phantom ruby, then destroying the Phantom ruby caused classic sonic to disappear and the the two separated timelines to fuse once again, which causes sonic and his friends to get their memories back since in frontiers knuckles mentioned something in sonic 3, and sonic superstars has already happened from the start and there wasn't time paradox or anything, for sonic 06 I don't think solaris messed up with time or anything since solaris had full control over time unlike time eater who has little control over time and space which means it might mess up everything with a single little mistake.

[@JD-xz1mx]

The idea that there HAS to be a timeline split because modern Sonic lacks knowledge of prior events could be handwaived away by a single line about time travel effecting memory.

[@crossover1015]

What’s that open world Sonic game that you have playing in the backgrounds of your videos?

[@jasonblack2477]

I miss Sonic Boom . Prototype had Potential

[@baconbities]

So basically sega pulled a Nintendo with ocarina of time

[@bornsinner_8092]

There HAS to be more than 1 timeline, because what about the handheld titles? For example, there are 2 versions of Sonic Colors & Sonic Generations and they have different adaptations than their handheld counterparts. If the console adaptations are the true versions of the story that has to mean the handheld versions are either non canon or on a different timeline completely. Same goes for Sonic 1 & 2 on the genesis having different adaptations than the game gear versions.

[@nightwish1453]

the weirdest thing with the handhelds is that there is an inconsistency with them, you have advance and rush that are canon and team racing actually references colours ds like the mother wisp and it being the only game prior for silver and blaze to interact outside of 06. with colours many are on the belief the ds is canon but console is the visual presentation of it. the game gear games go in and out of doing an adaptation of the game to doing it's own thing like sonic 1 on game gear has the same plot of genesis but sonic 2 Game gear has a plot line that could take place right before the genesis sonic 2 then there is triple trouble which does have a manual that for the sake of marketing had it written after sonic 3 (despite knuckles being manipulated again, though funny enough the fan remake fixed this issue)

[@IchigoKurosakitheSalvation]

I feel like having one timeline makes it simple cuz two or more of them will just make it convulated and it'll get too complicated than it needs to be

[@alexthebluehermit]

I actually completely disagree having it one timeline convolutes it more.

[@shupasopni]

@@alexthebluehermit Yeah it makes a lot of things not make sense. Like just in this video alone we have the problem of the Phantom Ruby. Not to mention Classic Sonic now has future knowledge when he goes back in time, like knowing who everyone he meets in later games is.

[@oatatus4102]

It's too late

[@TheAlphazoneYT]

No having the time split actually made more sense. Making it one timeline has actually created potential plotholes

[@tjwizzy]

Hearing all of this, yeah Two timelines just sounded better. But well, here we are. It is what is is nowz and now wo timllines will just be my head canon now.

[@thatoneguy4452]

Split timeline makes more sense if you actually want to fit all these things together. If Generations was the only instance in which Classic Sonic and Modern Sonic met, it wouldn't be too much of an issue. Sega are having their cake and eating it too because they're essentially treating Classic Sonic as its own universe whilst insisting it's all connected and implying that the redesign is a canonical change that Sonic went through. This causes a lot of problems, like the timeline placement of certain games, or new Classic titles introducing concepts that are chronologically forgotten about (those emerald powers would've been real helpful throughout Sonic's modern adventures).

[@nightwish1453]

there were talks of boom sonic could connect to this classic alternate timeline as the equivalent to modern and when you look at it, it's plasuible 90% of the cast are characters that had existed in the classic era like the classic 4, eggman and even vector there are some modern characters in it but very far few but I for one don't think they create major issues to not make this theory possible

[@jonasd.2548]

What would be awsomeeee is if classic being in the same timeline would lead into the sonic adventure remake!

[@BaseArchieClassicSonic]

Fun fact tails in sonic frontiers he remembers infinite

[@ALegendaryBlueHedge]

Man Pontac and Graff *REALLY* fucked up with Generations's story, we're still talking about this shit over a decade later 💀

[@shupasopni]

They didn't come up with the central concept, just the way the dialogue was written.

[@ALegendaryBlueHedge]

​​@@shupasopniYrah I know but still, the ramifications of thier writing choices are too huge to just ignore

[@shupasopni]

@@ALegendaryBlueHedge Yeah ok sure I guess, but that has nothing to do with this video on the timeline.

[@Luigifan305]

Yeah no, by trying to deny the Neo Classic split instead of embracing it, they're just digging themselves into an even deeper hole. From the start, there were a lot of problems with the story of the franchise, from minor inconsistencies (Tails lacking confidence in SA1 despite having multiple solo adventures by that point) to major contradictions (Metal Sonic being in several classic games despite not being recovered from Little Planet until Sonic 4 way later) but then Generations came out, which offered the explanation of a potential split, and then Mania and Forces further enforced the idea with more new details and suddenly all the confusion started clearing up. Now if we saw Metal in a classic game, we could safely place that game in the Neo Classic timeline after he was recovered early in Mania, without disrupting the story presented in Sonic 4, and vice-versa. Tails' confidence? Put his spinoffs in Neo Classic and have them feature a Tails who had already met his future self and been inspired. Mighty and Ray being missing? Now we know that they were captured by Eggman, but only rescued in Neo Classic. The Chaotix having two backstories in Knuckles Chaotix and Heroes? There being multiple "Death Egg II"s in Sonic the Fighters and Sonic 4? All explained by Neo Classic, and without having to leave behind a single game in the progress. The Neo Classic split was not only the solution to nearly ALL of the timeline's problems, but it made complete sense, being simple to both understand and explain. However, they're now trying to treat this solution like it's the biggest "problem" of all, for seemingly no reason beyond "streamlining", which in this case seems to essentially just mean "split bad, linear good" with no regard to actual logic, and especially no regard to the needless collateral damage this mindset is causing on the REST of the timeline, as trying to cram everything into a single timeline again at this point results in like twice as many plot holes now as there were pre-Generations, and these new ones are impossible to resolve without just spamming the excuse of "Uhh, the Ruby retconned it" any time that anything doesn't make sense. Like come on. The only thing "confirmed" by all of this recent info is that SEGA might already need to replace their new Lore "Manager", because they're clearly not a Lore "Expert" if they don't understand how big of a mess they're making in their attempt to "streamline" things. Some streams NEED to be able to branch off in order to function properly, but instead they've built a dam like some impulsive beaver and, unless they realize their mistake and tear it down, it's only a matter of time before this flood of plot holes gets even worse than it already is and starts to drown them.

[@Cappuccinoo123]

how is sonic in a city in the modern era not the classic era? human planet vs mobian planet. was it explained by that guy

[@sonicplushgod-ok3uk]

THE HANDSOME RUBY

[@Red_alpaca]

I might be dumb but I have no idea whats going on in the timelines I just know about the game lore

[@Starfall_abyss]

You're not dumb, almost all of us doesn't know, we're just theorizing and fixing the mess the writers of 2010s did, they literally caused everything to be that complicated because of their dumb writing

[@shupasopni]

@@Starfall_abyss If you are talking about Pontac and Graff, this has nothing to do with them actually. It's because of Generations, which they wrote the dialogue for, but it's concept is the same in all regions.

[@Starfall_abyss]

@shupasopni I am talking about them, and actaully, it does, I mean really the first thing Ian Flynn needed is to fix all of the character development, fix the aging such as sonic finally being older than just 15 and a lot more but for this, I just searched on google and yk, you're right, not everything is wrote by those two

[@shupasopni]

@@Starfall_abyss So...actually they do have to do with it, and also they don't because you Googled it? Which is it? Sonic has not aged. He was still 15 till just recently. Now Sega has decided the characters have no stated age (either that or they are just unstated, but still the same for some reason). Ian never aged him up. Ian never aged anyone up except maybe in Archie idk (non canon to the games anyway). He did fix the writing, but only the characters and dialog (which Pontac and Graff were terrible at). Sega and Sonic Team decide what the games are actually about and things like the timeline. They are the ones responsible for this.

[@Starfall_abyss]

@shupasopni well then, I'm just dumb lol, but thst doesn't change the fact that everything got messed up tho, it doesn't matter who the writers were but yea I admit it, I did a mistake there

[@KOTSOSMC2002]

Timeline split just isn't appealing to me. Time travel didn't make sense in CD, time travel didn't make sense in 06, time travel didn't make sense in Rivals and Rivals 2, time travel didn't make sense in Generations, time travel didn't make sense in Mania, time travel didn't make sense in Forces. Hell, it barely makes any sense for the mere basics, like Silver's very existence. About THIS particular aspect of the lore, time travel, a concept that will never be competently handled anywhere no matter how much Copium we decide to inject, it's better to just focus on if the story is good and move on. Time travel in all of the games mentioned above except Forces works well in the confines of its own narrative and that's all that matters for me. No alternate dimensions, no timeline splits, no convergence, no nothing. One timeline, they all happened, let's move on, that's my takeaway.

[@sonicthehedgehog1606]

The multiverse exists in sonic. Plus 2 main timelines make the most sense

[@SonicHubYT]

I’m also of the mindset that one timeline is better so our actions in the games actually matter. It’s always messy or confusing when time travel gets involved too lol

[@KOTSOSMC2002]

@@sonicthehedgehog1606 If time travel creates split timelines we should have had around 6 timelines at this point. No, it doesn't.

[@jadendafinger]

I wholeheartedly agree. Though I can kind of forgive the CD one since it was the first instance of it and it only ever affects Little Planet.

[@sonicthehedgehog1606]

​@KOTSOSMC2002 nope the main timeline would be 2. And it solves the paradoxes. All in one makes it worse

[@user-dg2rb5wf9vv]

So modern remembers generations through classics eyes?

[@botmaster9000]

My theory is that the games all take place in one universe, but in different dimensions. Sonic Adventure is the "start" of the "modern dimension." The 3D games and the 2D games take place in different dimensions. That is my take.

[@AidantPlayzOfficial]

I thought boom took place after modern time-line when younger but blue arms wouldn't make since but I thought classic was his own thing I thought sonic was kicking back

[@TheLedezmas]

I remember you taling about this almost a week ago, and that video was good and interesting. I think what Sega is trying to say is that Classic Sonic is Classic and Modern in Modern, at the same time, it appears to be that Classic Sonic is a younger version of Sonic, and years later, Modern time takes place. What these people are saying is so interesting because people have their own theories on both versions of these Sonic's. I'm totally on YOUR side, because you gave a good explanation that we don't want no multiverse stuff. Got to keep it Canon, you know? I think that Classic Sonic IS a previous version of Sonic, because Classic means original, and as we all should know our bodies change as years go by. We get bigger, taller, and stronger, and that's exactly what we're seeing with Classic and Modern Sonic. But again, that's my guess, and if someone else has their own theory on this, then OK! Great video, Chris!

[@MrSpooksYT]

Hate your vids.

[@nightwish1453]

the split timeline theory i feel was more of reluctance of not wanting a multiverse but at the same time it would help figure out the logic of the lore in the series which when it comes to lore there rarely has been a time for it to be discussed especially when you have characters like silver and eggman nega having very far few sources about them from a game that doesn't put a lot of focus on silver's future in a non-06 world. doing one simple timeline helps streamline things however because of the 2010 games it does create problems and more so the plot holes, case in point classic in gens is exposed to seeing all the characters that modern has met up to generations and if classic becomes modern despite being gens he must recognise everyone when he meets them when they appear and that's a big issue that can be easily resolved through some memory wipe which has yet to happen in the canon or stick with the timeline split. the split doesn't make whats prior less important as modern sonic still went through all of it, it just makes the 2010s make more sense. Heck 06 can still be looked at as canon thanks to colours ds and having it take place before rush which funny enough rush was to take place before 06 but in the final product they just didn't utilize it's continuity of rush with the role blaze had in that game and how there was no mention of it thus it now makes sense having rush after.

[@CrimeonZ]

All this timeline stuff is making my brain hurt

[@vdragoon3444]

new timeline is the remakes

[@alexthebluehermit]

It's not really a multiverse to be honest it's basically just what Nintendo did with their timeline split which I actually prefer so yeah it's a disappointment that it's one timeline now

[@SonicXShadowSpeedyAndFriendsVR]

I somewhat agree with what you said

[@middyjohn]

I was gonna make a Loki joke but its too spoilery and would explain too perfectly why the retcon happened😂. But yeah, I love having fun discussions like this about Sonic, the sonic community post Colors is so hard to have a fun discussion, especially the archie comics fans and the fans after "Everything is canon" quote. They freak out as fast as sonic. Since the retcon happen, I just assume the classic sonic in gens and forces to be from another dimension. Imo they retcon it so that its easier to bring back characters like Sticks, Trip, the chaotix, mighty, ray, the idw chars and any new characters not from archie as NPC in the mainline game without explanation, which kinda makes me excited, like modern trip or detective vector giving tips or sticks selling trinkets. But they still need to figure out Blaze and Silver tho

[@misterholmes221]

Before watching the video. I'm hoping this fixes something.

[@misterholmes221]

It didn't.

[@shupasopni]

@@misterholmes221It *kinda* does. They fixed the seperate Classic and Modern dimension thing, but they did it badly. So now games like Gens, Mania, and Forces make little sense.

[@Some_Cat_]

Sonic has a timeline?

[@DayDreamHasGold]

So if this is all one timeline Doesn't that mean hyper sonic does exists in modern timeline

[@heroicgangster9981]

I think they'll say that the Super Emeralds are something that you can only gain from spending time at Angel Island. That's always my speculation in why Hyper Sonic does not appear in future games. Because the adventures take place outside of Angel Island no matter how powerful the foe is.

[@SonicForges]

I vote Matpat to be the looooooooooore director!

[@Cinnamoroll842]

hey sonichub! do you likedragonball

[@marcyweller6953]

Yoooooooooo cool timeline

[@idkwhothisis-uv8tq]

How is Classic Sonic younger than Modern Sonic? They are both 15. If they were different ages, how old is classic? What about modern?

[@heroicgangster9981]

Honestly the singular timeline split sounds less limiting than what one normally might think. I think they can just make it easy on themselves when making Classic Sonic content is making those characters have a modern version or at least modern way of existing actually possible just like how the current Tailstube mention how Mighty and Ray are not MISSING but just somewhere else apart from the modern casts' adventures. Also to me, if Shadow, Blaze, or Silver were to be playable in a classic story game. Just... make them non-canon characters/story events or something.

[@ZKDVoid]

Its sad but I think im the only one to realize that as community we have a ton of power that we somehow dont know about. If we really and i mean REALLY wanted a change we can just do what we’ve done before, Mass outrage. Remember sonic 06? Because of the mass outrage they ditched the adventure formula and playble characters for 17 years. Remember ugly movie sonic? Paramount had already said they wouldn’t change his design but due to mass outrage we forced a hundred million dollar company to walk it back and change it. We literally bullied them into doing it. We should just create a hashtag like #hypersonic or #SA3 and do it again

[@wontonfr]

Random question but is sonic boom sonic in sss?

[@jasonblack2477]

Sss?

[@wontonfr]

@@jasonblack2477 sonic speed simulator 😭

[@jasonblack2477]

@@wontonfr oh ok

[@FriedSaltAnimations]

No.

[@jasonblack2477]

@@FriedSaltAnimations man that sucks

[@bensonharvey9252]

Mania is after 3 k

[@Hey_Childish]

I like that they are trying to mesh everything together neatly (including the IDW comics). Most of the time, the powers that be don’t think that far ahead to make everything make sense later down the line. This is easy to follow versus some other fandoms/series where it’s convoluted and all over the place….. *coughkingdomheartscough*

[@aidanlyons25]

5:49 I 100% AGREE WITH YOU!!!! I'm glad that they confirmed it's one timeline. We have too much multiversal crap now and whether managed right or wrong it messes with the story in some shape or form.

[@shupasopni]

Multiverses aren't time related. Also this messes with things more. It doesn't make sense that Eggman found the Phantom Ruby in Classic and then is clueless abt it later, or Classic Sonic not having prior knowledge of all of his future friends, since he met them all twice over in both Gens and Forces.

[@ZenithintheMaking]

None of this fleshing out of the lore thing is fun one bit. If we're going to have this much of a hard time then this clearly means: 1. This is beyond us and this is completely useless. OR 2. We just need to try even harder. Even so I'm just tired of how this franchise(or to better put: These Lore Managers)is trying too hard nowadays. Having staff members who really love Sonic it's good but their love is put to the wrong place if they're focusing on THIS OF ALL THINGS 😬. This is what happens when you created a franchise with no structure or holding. The time to make this franchise a respectable and well understood piece of media WAS GONE A LONG TIME AGO. IT'S NO USE. I love Sonic but not when Sonic becomes this Mega huge research project 😑 Where's the fun in that? Let's just move forward with new adventures.

[@TebogoTshenyego]

Noce video man

[@Turk49.]

Hi sonic hub❤

[@user-dg2rb5wf9vv]

But just don't mention it?

[@user-dg2rb5wf9vv]

Doesn't

[@SanicBoi]

Why was boom sonic in the thumbnail?

[@SonicHubYT]

Because the video is about SEGA confirming that two separate timelines for sonic at one point existed so the idea of the thumbnail is about what would happen theoretically if an alternate timeline progressed into a separate future

[@kalemerahenryharrithkimera8241]

I think split timeline is better

[@Bepetin]

hello

[@jimbob-yi6pp]

omg

[@Rydote199]

:)

[@CoolBoyForces]

Hi I love your channel and im first

[@Jusworld51]

You were not

[@CoolBoyForces]

@@Jusworld51 who was then

[@Jusworld51]

@@CoolBoyForcessonicinfient was first

[@59orJimmy]

Cool (first)

[@Jusworld51]

Not first

[@JASPER4YOU]

yhhhhh pinnn mee i'm firsttttt :D

[@Jusworld51]

You were not

[@JASPER4YOU]

@@Jusworld51 yh ok then who was first then?

[@Jusworld51]

@@JASPER4YOUsonicinfient

[@Comix_Dever]

I disliked my comment

[@Supergamer-in5lj]

I was the first one here

[@Jusworld51]

You were not

[@Supergamer-in5lj]

@@Jusworld51 u have no proof I don’t have time to argue with you about this so that is the end of it.

[@Jusworld51]

Actually, I do look at the timestamps

[@Supergamer-in5lj]

@@Jusworld51 i made the comment after I wanted i little on I first went on it said it god post 10 seconds ago and it said no views now can u leave me alone

[@Starfall_abyss]

Why do people even want to say I'm first no I'm first! Bruh if it's about who loves this channel more and who's more interested dude that's literally dumb, you could be more interested than anyone but got busy or the video didn't appear to you yet, you all are kids who want to get pinned

[@Sonicboy45662]

🤔🤔 first

[@Jusworld51]

No not first

[@Symptomatic315]

Having a single timeline is probably for the best when it comes to the games because they never established the multiverse properly. Archie did it well because they have a dimension exclusively for multiversal travel which would have been perfect for the games, but it’s too late. Now Sega is stuck between managing how the Classic Era affects the Modern Era and how Modern affects Silver’s era. I agree with Ian that there needs to be a reboot.

[@galaxyproddev]

Nice

[@Avion-2014avsworld]

First

[@Jusworld51]

Not first

[@Avion-2014avsworld]

@@Jusworld51 I was earlier

[@Jusworld51]

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[@TheBlur182]

In this video, you succeed in overexplaining something really simple, while still being confusing about it. Also clickbait title. You clearly have talent but your videos are hard to watch. I hope you will get better.

[@hotnuggs]

I would just make every game its own thing if it were up to me (outside of direct sequels). This seemed to be the philosophy of the past, and I think it worked. All the characters comments about past games in Frontiers felt super jarring and unnatural. Sonic has always been a style over substance franchise, I don't think the franchise needs a deep catalogue of lore and a timeline of events.

[@Tailshub5040]

First

[@Jusworld51]

Not first