This Makes Me Mad.

[@LCM393]

The contrast between this video and big a fighting for his life to catch the snitch dressed like 'arry pottah is hilarious

[@ExtantPerson]

He’s taking out the fury that snitch generated inside him

[@IamYuto]

get you a man who can do both

[@_Bailamme_]

​@@IamYuto preach!

[@thematrixlunchhacker]

Totally, also ranting to age of mythology spamming TEKTON

[@SumitRana-life314]

At 8:10 somebody even said, "Go Seek the Snitch, Seeker"

[@HipyoTech]

Hey big A, just a heads up at 1:03 that is not a toad, that is a Dendrobates auratus (green and black poison dart frog) and it's imitator frog, it produces the same colors and patterns but isn't toxic! (Although some imitator frogs are actually toxic). Let me know if you need any fun frog facts!

[@Pompiniii]

glizzy keyboard when

[@hanthonyc]

another strike against his flimsy "expertise"

[@mike10240]

I would rather eat a poison frog than browse Reddit

[@alvinlee4761]

Aren't you the keyboard guy😂?

[@HipyoTech]

@@alvinlee4761 I like frog

[@screayx]

Atrioc being mad at idiots will never not be entertaining

[@johannbuehlmann-kg6ne]

@@GaifuKaiseiglarketing

[@mikejohnstonbob935]

There will always be idiots. Infinite content

[@Evan-i4e]

I mean I'm an Atrioc detractor who watched the video in bad faith very skeptically even I liked the video it may be a top three big videos as of yet. I even then I smell tested it and found truth in it like the experts, seems like you got to grasp at straws with a narrow vison just making stuff up to have an issue with it in likely most if not all cases.

[@cadenceew7933]

@@Evan-i4e Meh, the first point the redditor made was somewhat misunderstood, but Big A played into the same stubbornness. A good faith interpretation might be; "The 2008 recession was caused by a very unusual factor in what would otherwise be a good economy. Yet, in 2024 we are lacking the presence of that unusual factor." This might not even be true (I'm not sure), but he doesn't even engage that as a possibility, he just calls it dumb. Neither the redditor nor Big A took the time to analyze each other's argument in good faith (the redditor more so, but I'm an Atrioc fan and don't care about random redditor conduct). Otherwise, I think most of Big A's claims were solid. However, he tends to use appeals to authority a little too much in my opinion. Big A sometimes shies away from his own logical analysis. He often quotes experts where a restatement or counter argument is all that is needed. People will use Jerome Powell, just as he might use another famous economist, to argue different points. Not only does this reduce sound argumentation into a battle of talking heads/authority figures, but it feels as though his logic is shaky (it isn't) and needs "real" backing. If anything, do that after you've made the sound logical argument, not as the first or only argument. In furtherance of this point, instead of calling the anti-recession people lame, he should stand by his analysis. For example; If he believes - in X amount of years - there will be a recession then, in one way or another, that claim will be verified as true or false. Stand by your logic if you think it is sound and you will likely prove the haters wrong. Your position on the future doesn't have to be static either. A boat can look like its headed for disaster before it changes course. All the while you can analyze the boat's path and realize when it is both headed for danger, and when it is safely avoiding it. My simpleton thoughts. Cheers.

[@Whimsicat_]

@@cadenceew7933 about the redditor's first point, I don't think that's the case at all. Big A didn't misunderstand what the redditor was getting at, he was asserting that the redditor was putting words in his mouth and bringing up something wholly irrelevant. Like he said in this video, he didn't bring up 2008 to assert that the same, or even similar things were happening. He brought it up because historically people have used certain anti-recession indicator arguments as to why a recession *isn't* happening and they were wrong, regardless of the cause of the recession. Not only were they wrong about the recession, the numbers they relied on were altered later to show how bad it actually was. Now they are using those same arguments. Doesn't mean they are wrong again, but Big A is saying it isn't the silver bullet people think it is, and shows stats to back it up. Also he *does* engage the redditor's idea that it is a possibility, right? He literally brings up that even if we were to get into it (which was ostensibly *not* the point of the MM), there actually *are* some indicators that similar things to 2008 are happening.

[@HyperKryst]

I like how big A scrolls through the entire paid article despite him originally saying that he won't show the whole thing

[@wumbojet]

Praxis, good job comrade Ewing

[@redned7771]

clearly he meant that he will not read through it. he's just showing it exists and giving a few points on it.

[@DrainYouOut]

@@redned7771 cope

[@Clamflesh]

​@DrainYouOut thats...not how you use that?

[@DipolarApathy]

Let’s hope at least a few people subscribe from the plug. Consider it a free trial for a couple thousand people

[@chandlermiller3944]

Headline only readers going to hate this one trick

[@grand_nic7686]

So true

[@CptShiba]

Its crazy that the dude said he works in finance at a big tech company because he misunderstood so much of the presentation i can only imagine he’s at most a junior analyst.

[@danielgrezda3339]

I think the fact he works at the finance arm in a big tech company explains everything. The tech companies are making billions off of this economy and saying this economy is bad or unsustainable or will lead to a recession will trigger them or anyone working there who is benefitting from it. He probably was finding anything to counter atriocs points for self validation.

[@petersansgaming8783]

No, this is the average finance bro.

[@wompastompa3692]

He's the food runner for the real analysts.

[@Brawlor1]

Summer Intern lol

[@producerjuan5850]

Nah, finance bros are just that dumb, that’s why they keep breaking the economy over and over thinking by they’ve discovered a new infinite money glitch that turns out to be a hype bubble.

[@simpletown323]

I actually like when people dont pay attention to his presentations. He always comes back and doubles down with even more information to learn haha. It reminds me of when uni students try challenging their profs and the profs get ready to dunk on kids haha

[@stormoscar2628]

It is true that his beliefs the USA is heading towards a recession is mostly u founded though

[@silphonym]

​@@stormoscar2628 It is true that your dad gets pegged by strangers in the woods. Please, if you actually have anything substantive to say, do so, otherwise shut up.

[@Grahamster00]

Redditors aggressively try to misconstrue what was actually said, then use the fact that they misconstrued what was said as evidence of its fallacy, somehow. For example where the guy said "He used Florida's data to make general statements about the whole country." Obviously that's not what was said in the presentation, Atrioc was using nationalized statistics to make a point *specifically about the housing market in Lee County* by making reference to an easily understandable point in the housing market's history, the 2008 recession, not about the country in general. A statement like "Lee County housing markets are as bad as Suffolk county subprime mortgage closures in 1976" may be a statistically convincing argument, but would mean absolutely nothing to anyone except Suffolk County realtors who were active in 1976, because that's not a widely-known point in history. But to Redditors, if they can misunderstand something, if something is not so hamfisted and dumbed down to the lowest level then they intentionally misconstrue it and then argue against that misconstrued point, all with a smugness and air of superiority. Also redditors have certain fallback arguments they just say that you could plausibly say for any argument, then never elaborate what they actually mean. Arguments like "He ignored context" or "he's missing the nuance" or "he's trying to use X as Y and it doesn't work." But then never actually explain what context is missing and why that would affect the overall point. Redditors have pavlovian responses to general criticisms where if anyone says "there's nuance to this that x ignored," then, without investigating or thinking any further on the subject, they just go "oh there must be nuance he missed" and parrot that criticism, regardless of if its valid or not. Okay just one more criticism. Redditors love whenever you make a general statistical observation or comment on a trend, to point to one anecdotal or isolated incident as if that proves anything wrong, and never connecting it to how it disproves the base argument. If I said "The S&P 500 fell 15%, so the stocks in the S&P did pretty bad today." A redditor would inevitably reply "Ah! But BNY Mellon went up 1%, so clearly you're overgeneralizing." Or "In America, women tend to occupy jobs as schoolteachers or in the healthcare industry," a redditor would reply "Well, all the women in my family are electricians!" In the present example, after ~20 examples of key economic markers going on the downswing, the redditor just says "okay but the unemployment rate is 4.3%," which is especially frustrating because a) They just criticized the main video for cherrypicking stats, b) one metric being up has absolutely no material relevance to the statement that other metrics are down, and c) Atrioc literally addressed and broke down in the video, with historical examples, why a low unemployment rate does not necessarily mean we are not in a recession. Redditors are pseudo-intellectuals who confuse their ability to be obnoxious and obtuse as being good at argumentation or analysis. People don't reply to redditors, not because their arguments are so ironclad, but rather because the people making those arguments are so annoying they deter any legitimate conversation. (Yes I'm aware of the irony of typing such a long message after Atroic's discussion of Batesian mimicry, but...)

[@kv4648]

Lol i just watched this segment in the VOD. The problem with being faster than light is that you live in darkness

[@EZIOAUDITURI]

I'ma use this 😅

[@worldspam5682]

Or that you basically stuck in time, as any mass faster than light would need energy closer to infinity, ae singularity.

[@DipolarApathy]

@@worldspam5682HE’S DOING IT AGAIN SOMEBODY STOP THIS MAN

[@kekmitkeks9328]

At 4:03 someone in chat made a sleeping frog think about corn and that really stuck with me in a deep level.

[@CGPMAD]

I might forget the entire lesson this video was trying to teach me, but I won't forget that frog.

[@aiwash2766]

It’s truly wild how people that have a bare basic understanding of a subject think they’re experts, this happens so much nowadays and the worst part is truly how smug and up their own ass they are

[@IntoTheSkyy]

Dunning kruger baby lfg

[@glswenson]

Unearned smugness is the cornerstone of social media.

[@undefined69695]

This is literally the entire fundamental basis of the Republican party these days.

[@Otherhats]

@@undefined69695your bad and you should feel bad.

[@tyronium6950]

Couldn't agree more. People's "research" on a topic will consist of three Instagram reels and a maybe clickbait news article, and their material confidence will result in many, many threads and paragraphs of mis-informed and ignorant BS.

[@jdw9]

Big A saying he's not mad at him is like Kendrick saying he doesn't have a hating bone in his body

[@petelee]

feels like 99% of AI's defenders don't argue on the tech or the merit but will always just smugly resort to some analogy about how some great inventions in the past also got hate therefore by transitive properties if you question AI you also must hate the automobile

[@WhenInDarknessSeekTheLight]

Because it's true.

[@Clamflesh]

​@@WhenInDarknessSeekTheLightsurface level thinker. I FOUND HIM

[@yoewiben]

AI defenders are hilarious, they don’t even understand how these chat models work yet they are so confident on the future uses of it. They genuinely think we are on the cusp of ‘General Intelligence’ even though GPTs are completely incapable of that on account of them being ‘pre trained’.

[@WhenInDarknessSeekTheLight]

@yoewiben Yeah journalists said the idea of taking a laptop to the beach and ordering a book online wouldn't happen in a thousand years.

[@yoewiben]

@@WhenInDarknessSeekTheLightnice bait

[@anru5063]

that original video was legit so good like one of atrioc’s best to date imo. very interesting to get a deeper insight into his argument

[@mattbenz99]

It really isn't. A lot of it was completely ignorant of historical trends and studies on the topic. The most prevalent of which was his discussion of the S&P 500 being "top heavy", something which is shockingly normal in most of history. The key is just that the top companies change over time as the old top companies stagnate. For example, oil companies used to all be in the top 10 companies in the S&P 500, their movement alone would move the market the way Apple does today. However, those oil companies didn't have their stock prices drop, they actually just stagnated for 20+ years as their profits stagnated, but didn't drop. This is also happened to many other stocks over the last century. This is likely to be the real outcome of most of the big Tech stocks. They are plateauing. Most of them have a defined market that will keep them extremely profitable, but the rate of increase in those profits will likely decrease, leading to their stocks stagnating. They won't go down, they will likely move in place for the next 20+ years like the oil stocks. Then, over that 20+ years, new stocks will begin to grow and we will have new top dogs of the S&P 500. We are already seeing this with how FAANG turned into the Magnificent 7 and how the Magnificent 7 will turn into something new. We have already seen Eli Lilly being one of the fastest growing companies in the S&P 500, growing almost 5x in 4 years to enter the top 10 largest companies in the world. The same will happen with other companies.

[@agustinramirez377]

Windows 95

[@benevans8674]

@@mattbenz99it’s all good talking about the current state of the S&P 500 but it seems impossible to ignore the massive growth in national debt over the last 5 years, that can only be solved with massive cost cuts/ tax increases or more quantitative easing/ money printing, which will ultimately just pass off the recession to a future generation (or us ten years time). Moreover Atriocs main point was never about the top heaviness of the S&P

[@ZaKRo-bx7lp]

​@mattbenz99 don't know why but this made me laugh 😂

[@anru5063]

@@mattbenz99 ratio

[@gabrielhicks8043]

I despise ass-talkers like these, we seriously need to normalize shutting up when we don't know much about a topic. At the very least don't pretend to be an expert and craft multi-paragraph essays to fluff out a sentiment that could be easily summarized in a single sentence or two.

[@BlanekdCheque]

Yeah, hate it so much. I’ll write put researched, referenced, and described posts, only for someone to do the most surface level, fluffed up post citing nothing while ignoring everything I’ve written only for the main point to be “Nu Uh”. Also, please cite things, it’s so infuriating for people to go “Oh just Google it” like it’s supposed to be some virtue, and the other person is lazy for asking for a source. Copy/Paste is a thing, and if you don’t want that, at least cite your sources. Sorry for soapboxing a bit, but these things tend to infuriate me. I’m not perfect, and am very open to being wrong, but please actually engage with some level of effort going in instead of the most surface level analysis because you disagree but don’t want to do any more research or anything else. (And if you wonder why I argue with people online, the answer is Procrastination and AuDHD)

[@willium2215]

Look man, it was probably a kid who got trough his first year of business/ economics. He thinks of himself that he knows/ learned a lot but doesn’t in reality know anything. That’s normal. The biggest problem was his tone to atrioc and he can be mad about that but please don’t be dissrespectful to that guy as a bystander. You are essentially doing the same as him.

[@notyarrs]

​@@BlanekdChequebro said "if you can't beat em, join em" with this glizzy certified yap sesh

[@thomasdtrain]

some people gotta have a take on everything

[@trevor245]

@@willium2215 If you did your first year of business/econ in uni you'd be at a higher level than the poster in this video. Not that you'd necesarily know all the concepts and events but you'd learn to analyse the arguments and situation so that you can see that everything has multiple sides. 'Debunking' an opinion piece based on trends and maybes is not even really possible anyhow, only if the information is wrong which is not what the reddit post is getting at. In my mind it is much more likely that the poster is just someone that does not enjoy the possibility of a downturn, whether actively or subconsciously, and wants to debunk the ideas from the marketing monday to not have to be confronted with the possibility. Everyone does this to some extent and the more powerless one is in a situation the harder it is to fight against it.

[@reallyreason6354]

Another thing to keep an eye on is mortgage occupancy fraud. There are some signals from Fannie and Freddie as well as private research indicating that mortgage occupancy fraud might be _super_ high. Mortgage occupancy fraud is when you get a mortgage and state on the mortgage application that you intend for the property to be your primary residence, but you actually never move in. People do this because Fannie and Freddie secure primary residence mortgages and therefore the buyers get better rates. I don't for a second think this is the same as the kind of subprime lending that happened prior to 2008, but it's a worrying signal and Fannie/Freddie are now asking mortgage originators to validate more financial information for buyers than they previously did. They would have no reason to do that if they weren't worried about some kind of endemic fraud.

[@gamesguy]

This really has no effect on the economy

[@reallyreason6354]

@@gamesguy until it does? If there's a lot of occupancy fraud, well, what does that mean? It means people are buying homes as investors and the government is securing them as primary residence mortgages in a way that would be "invisible" to the data. Fraud is by definition invisible until it is exposed (just like in 2001 and 2008). Okay, so what does that mean? It means if there's a downturn in the rent market, for example because people are stretched thin by inflation or a worsening consumer economy, a lot of these homes that are, on paper, "owner-occupied" could go up for sale immediately to stop losses and flood the market because they aren't actually owner-occupied in reality. If they can't sell for a price that would cover the principal balance, the owners probably default on those mortgages. Do I know this will happen? No. I just think it's a worrying signal. Fraud is endemic in bubble markets because bad money drives out good money. I think someone smart said that.

[@DJThermite]

@@gamesguythe implication is that if times get tough then a vacation home or secondary residence is more likely to default than a primary residence. But by misrepresenting a secondary residence as a primary one the mortgage is considered less risky. If the problem is widespread enough then it taints the pool of primary residence mortgages in a way analogous to the subprime mortgages of ‘08

[@BipolarAbusiveX]

Reply smooth brain ​@@gamesguy

[@mike10240]

​@@gamesguysay that again once everyone gets laid off and starts panic selling all their "primary residences"

[@tengahhidup]

Big Anger seems to have forgotten to drink his coffee today, glizzy

[@chamorser]

Good video watched it 5 times already

[@motaphe5732]

now that's glizzma

[@maxstinkyfoot7366]

Sigma mode activated glizzy glizzy coffeecow

[@shroomer3867]

Glizzmaxing

[@w花b]

Cool

[@suwsisuwsi3208]

Ai comment

[@angulinhiduje6093]

You could immediately tell that the guy was neither an expert nor an atrioc viewer by the severe lack of glizy mentions

[@DrHughMonguscoque]

OMG I tried to buy a house and was getting consistently outbid with cash. I was wondering who tf are all these people with 100s of thousands in cash🤷🏾‍♂️

[@Clamflesh]

Just happened to me last year on a house. I was fully prepared to gut and redo just about every room based on the condition it was in. I got outbid with cash for them to just move in and not do anything to the house. I was how tf do these people have this kind of money with 0 sense. I see now lol

[@W333L]

0:55 It’s pronounced “bates-ian” mimicry, named after Henry Walter Bates. The more you know 🌈

[@Gamegumo]

As an Avid Viewer of Antrikok i can say that he is WRONG, let me clarify what i mean: Toast is sliced bread that has been browned by radiant heat. The browning is the result of a Maillard reaction altering the flavor of the bread and making it firmer. The firm surface is easier to spread toppings on and the warmth can help butter reach its melting point. Toasting is a common method of making stale bread more palatable. Bread is commonly toasted using a toaster or a toaster oven. Toast may contain acrylamide caused by the browning process, which is suspected to be a carcinogen.[1] However, claims that acrylamide in burnt toast causes cancer have not been proven.[2] Butter or margarine, and sweet toppings, such as jam or jelly, are commonly spread on toast. Regionally, savory spreads, such as peanut butter or yeast extract, may also be popular. Toast may accompany savory dishes such as soups or stews, or it can be topped with ingredients like eggs or baked beans to make a light meal. Toast is a common breakfast food. A sandwich may also use toasted bread. The word toast comes from the Latin torrere 'to burn'.[3] One of the first references to toast in print is in a recipe for Oyle Soppys (flavoured onions stewed in a gallon of stale beer and a pint of oil) from 1430.[4] Toasting was likely first used to increase the edibility of bread that had become slightly stale.[5] In the 1400s and 1500s, toast was discarded or eaten after it was used as a flavoring for drinks.[4] In the 1600s, toast was still thought of as something to be put into drinks.[4] In his 1602 play The Merry Wives of Windsor, Shakespeare gives Falstaff the line: "Go fetch me a quart of sack; put a toast in't."[6] Toast has been used as an element of American haute cuisine since at least the 1850s. Toast is most commonly eaten with butter or margarine spread over it, and may be served with preserves, spreads, or other toppings in addition to or instead of butter.[citation needed] Toast with jam or marmalade is popular.[citation needed] A few other condiments that can be enjoyed with toast are chocolate spread, cream cheese, and peanut butter. Yeast extracts such as Marmite in the UK, New Zealand and South Africa, and Vegemite in Australia are considered national traditions. Some sandwiches, such as the BLT,[13] call for toast to be used rather than bread. Toast is an important component of many breakfasts. In the United Kingdom, toast is part of a traditional breakfast: it may be incorporated in a full breakfast or eaten with baked beans. A dish popular there with children is eggs and soldiers. Strips of toast (the soldiers) are dipped into the runny yolk of a soft-boiled egg through a hole made in the top of the eggshell, and eaten.[14] Toast is also used in some traditional bland specialty diets for people with gastrointestinal problems such as diarrhea. This is because toasting breaks down the starch in the bread and makes it easier to digest.[15][better source needed] In southern Sri Lanka, it is common for toast to be paired with a curry soup and mint tea. In Japan, people like to toast thick slices of bread.[16] Toast became a staple dish in Japan after World War II, especially after it was introduced in school lunches throughout the country due to the shortage of rice.[17] Thick slices of toasted bread are also eaten in regions of the US, where they are known as Texas toast. Street vendors in South Korea serve toast with a variety of toppings, usually fried eggs, vegetables and slices of meat, topped with sauces. Korean toast is to be eaten as a sandwich.[18] In Southeast Asia, coconut jam is a popular spread for toast.[19] Avocado toast is seen as a symbol of millennial culture.

[@hydromic2518]

ChatGPT ahh comment

[@Trixiefatcat]

wait your lowkey right he is wrong

[@Kumquat57]

this seems well thought out

[@Nyx__]

Long = True (i didn't read a single word)

[@him_That_is_me]

Now _this guy_ did his homework. Really putting lil bro on blast

[@roxxarus1809]

God I fucking love this. I was a science teacher, and the amount of times students got something basic wrong and think they're now making the next big scientific breakthrough and have a scientific unit named after them is fucking GROSS. Like no, you didn't discover a brand new phenomenon in genetics or ecology or evolution. You just didn't listen to the first 3 slides where I covered the basics and debunked everything you are basing your initial assumptions off of. I like when students (or viewers/chatters in this case) want to respond and learn more and maybe even bite back a little on what they're hearing or watching. It's a good thing that they're not blindly accepting everything being told to them because someone said so, and it's something everyone is guilty of. But to try and dismantle everything you hear/watch based on your sole interpretation and experiences is just textbook ignorance.

[@progguy10]

People don’t want to to believe things might get bad soon

[@Danuxsy]

a lot of ppl in the West don't even think it's possible for anything to get worse.

[@devdogra7173]

surely...

[@L2H2L2]

Oh wow what a long counterargument. Big A’s rebuttal sure was convincing and had some strong points! Although it probably could be improved if he included a clip of beating Absolute Radiance in Hollow Knight…

[@Shedgie]

My neighbors defaulted on their mortgage I’m pretty sure the bank owns it now and its just sitting there growing weeds and has left over furniture junk on the side. Its really sad. I hope the folks who lived there are ok. They had like 3 kids :( 5:11

[@alvarez110]

totally valid response from Atrioc

[@DrunkenDove]

Not every invention caused old jobs to disappear. An amazingly good (bad morally) example of this is the Cotton Gin. Slavery was on the decline in the US until the cotton gin caused a massive boom in needed and wanted work. Thus slavery increased meaning more "workers" were needed. Also slavery bad M'kay

[@Cntr-Cmd-Delete]

Yeah i hate when people make the argument that AI will replace all our jobs. In 2012-2018 we nearly doubled oil production in the US while laying off half the jobs in the industry due to technological growth. The increased productivity and production is the cause for lower prices and thus easier monetary policy which boosted employment is just about every other sector. AI would do the same in professional fields which is a positive for inflation and employment growth. The real issue in income inequality and making sure the people who own the production don’t just heard all the capital.

[@jeltje50]

To kinda add on this. Lost causers use that bad argument of slavery being in the decline all the time. How the civil war was unjustified because it would have disappeared naturally. But the cotton gin disproves that so easily.

[@petersansgaming8783]

I knew I wasn't crazy. I was so confused when so many people in the comments were like "Atrioc has always been predicting a recession". The video you posted was the first time I've ever heard you predicting one and when I pointed it out people called me a bootlicker. People will literally hallucinate shit when their world view is being challenged, it's fucking crazy.

[@testacals]

Pretty much my take as well. I think I watched all of atriocs vods but do not remember him predicting a recession. Even in the last MM he said he could be wrong and showed counter claims.

[@tnt6272]

The fitst time i remember him being bearish was 2023 which would probably would have been right if ai hype didn't happened out of nowhere

[@Nyx__]

I browse gaming subreddits a lot. And also I used to browse my country's subreddit. Needless to say. The length of a post is absolutely irrelevant for how well thoughtout, truthful, geniune, factual or whatever the fuck, that post is. Absolutely 0 correlation. People would write up entire essays on issues regarding LGBTQ, spewing the most heinous, easily disproven disinformation you would've ever seen. Shit like "being gay is a choice" levels of disinformation. It's honestly mind-boggling to me people can see a long post and just automatically assume they must know what they are talking about.

[@sstteeaakk]

Oh God, the country subreddits. I live in a third world country and I've seen so many smug posts on my country's subreddit about the problems we're facing and their nonsensical "analysis" of the situation. It would reach borderline racism and neo nazi talking points as far as believing the completely debunked "IQ by races" chart some dude from the 1800s pulled out of his ass or the "brown people cant build societies" argument white supremacists love to spew out.

[@a_stray_dog]

My theory is that all the thoughtful, smart and interesting people left (or at least stopped meaningfully contributing) to Reddit following the API changes and the selling of user data to Google, and all that's left now are the most unbearable dorks who need upvotes for validation. It's super sad because there's a few somewhat niche communities I can only keep up with through Reddit, but the website as a whole is a husk of what it used to be.

[@maho9139]

i miss when reddit had soul. now its just bots, us politics spam and shit reposted from twitter/tiktok. im only on reddit for the cats and the small gaming communities i follow, popular section is filled with garbage

[@hurrdurrmurrgurr]

@@maho9139 You said bots three times.

[@Tabako-san]

​@@a_stray_dogI think most people who used Reddit like an old school forum for discussion left much longer ago than that. Once it started to become a mainstream platform and instead of discussing with a few thousand people or sometimes few hundred thousand at most- subreddits started blooming to millions and tens of millions of people and bots completely killing any sense of small community and turning the community into the exact same quality and average as every other major social media. For me I've stopped using it now that every username is Down-Under-4111 or some combination of lazy autogenersted names flooding the entire website. There are no recognisable names or personalities anymore where I can see the same face in multiple threads over the months and get a feel for their authenticity. There is one account I saw on a major subreddit that spent an entire day just investigating that almost every top comment was just a reposted comment of a reposted post. Entire threads of that website are literally just bots posting to other bots, and seeing it exposed like that destroyed any faith I had in the website.

[@mushy__mushy4723]

8:14 Also its not really that jobs change because all the carriage taxi driver became car taxi drivers. Its more jobs being flat out eliminated entirely like coal workers in the UK

[@yumpiee]

So the main takeaway from this video is that James Manyika watches Big A

[@Pokebilities]

Strippers say the recession started a couple years ago. If anyone's job depends on disposable income, it's theirs

[@nsquezada27]

Great response and really interesting. Would love more of those deep dive insider articles referenced in future videos as I think that was super interesting and helpful to the point you were making. Also, yes, please do not continue doing this type of video. The drama frogs will never shut up and it will poison the community

[@tinyturtle1898]

1:40 this redditors reasoning about DAC and amplifiers is mostly correct, He just didn't know that $1000 phones have $15 DACs and $100 earbuds have $40 DACs. Also amplifiers lose quality when they are shrunk inside a phone and theres more power that interferes and makes the audio signal dirty.

[@limolnar]

I remember Curt Jaimungal once used Reddit posts as questions to an authority he was interviewing. The question was challenging in a non-academic way, had nothing to follow up with, and was out of left field. Was pretty shocked that Curt would use Reddit as a source of enquiry for an expert that was rightfully insulted by such a thing.

[@BR-ty3hx]

11:20 "bounced back in 2018" braindead chatter good lord

[@Prismadoll]

"Stocks ONLY go up!" **ignores 1929**

[@thewanderingwizard6894]

It makes me so happy seeing atrioc frustrated with Reddit. As Obi-wan once said, “you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.” It is a literal dumpster fire at this point

[@suspecm6316]

It's a toss up between "5000 word essay with resources in the comments because I ran out of characters in the main post, that brings down a whole institution" and "I didn't like what this person said and so I use many words to bring them down because noone reads it anyways".

[@qin2500]

I realy enjoyed the further break down in this video. I hope this becomes a regular segment on the clips channel after every big video

[@bacjam6139]

I don’t think he should delete posts like this in the future. Seeing Atrioc break down an argument against him and provide counterpoints only makes his original argument stronger and can help other people see and break down future posts like this one. I understand why it can be frustrating, but encouraging conversation and correcting it when it’s wrong will always be more valuable than just silencing it.

[@grenadanotthecountry]

said at the end if its not presented in the most annoying redditor way possible he'll talk about stuff

[@RexDeorumYT]

His point is when it's obviously just lazy rage bait. This post was not trying to understand, or be productive, it was some braindead zoomer post from a kid who can barely tie his own shoes without a guardrail

[@mrmcawesome9746]

But there has to be a limit to that right? Especially with the internet since people will just make fake or deliberately incendiary posts just to get attention and Atrioc to react to them on stream. And then doubly so if there's tons of posts about the same topics, how many times should you really go over the same arguments and counter-arguments before it becomes better to just delete the posts and encourage people to search up videos where you've already covered the same issues?

[@ActionScripter]

It's very easy to say "just respond and correct it" when you're an onlooker with no personal stake in it. If you're in the position where you get shallow drive-by critiques as a matter of routine, it becomes exhausting, and it's not your job to devote your energy to engaging with it. I would fully support Big A just removing any contrarian posts on platforms he controls.

[@absolutefocus2749]

​@@ActionScripterare you dumb? Atrioc should silence critique because.... he doesn't want to *read* it. Not even engage or respond, just read it. He obviously has the right, it's his subreddit and comments section, but to say he should do it is antithetical to a good community. If this was done by far right content creators because they didn't want their ideological bubbles to be burst youd rightfully call it out.

[@goldengamer4006]

It is also fair to point out that AI unlike cars or tractors don't specifically make one sector obsolete, but many.

[@CadeVoidlighter]

Wow I just watched this live, I had no idea they edited and had this out so quickly. Props to the editors

[@maho9139]

i understood close to nothing in this video, so im just gonna post a real knee slapper glizzy glizzy

[@Aad-xv9fh]

Thanks for not showing us the whole article, Mr. Big Anderson

[@nicolascolaizzi2519]

If the fed where to turn on the monesy printer, but other large econmies are unable to lower rates to that level due to not having the extra room granted by currency hegemony( major assumption, still some countries probably less able to lower rates than the U.S due to that effect) would we not just see the emergence of a dollar swap trade as we did with japan? this would almost definitely delay a local crash but just make the coming one worse.

[@account-yi2cn]

G2 Monesy

[@ReedoTV]

The poster said "you started the graph in 2000" and then went on to imagine what the graph would have been like pre-2000 to enforce his point

[@dcgamer1027]

Love this, in my opinion this is the best way to deal with misinformation. ADdress it, mock it, don't mock the person that spread in case they are a good faith actor that was just making a mistake, then use it as an opportunity to teach real things that you want to talk about. Cherry on top is explaining how you wont be giving posts like it more attention to quash that incentive structure. Nicely done. Now if you can find a post or two of people asking good faith questions and reward them with attention you can provide a positive incinvtive for people like has been done for the music side of the community.

[@dude135791000]

Bro is REAL mad

[@sarvashaktimaan7106]

Good old confidently incorrect.

[@DJVevyVevs]

Atrioc is adopting the Thor Knowledge Square tactic, now I'm engaged and can pay attention to what he's saying!!

[@freddy.angelduro]

whats thaat??

[@DJVevyVevs]

@@freddy.angelduro PirateSoftware on YT. You'll understand soon enough.

[@HappyBeeGaming]

@@freddy.angelduroit’s when the streamer PirateSoftware (Thor) draws random squares in paint on his screen while talking to keep viewers brains engaged (similar to subway surfers)

[@freddy.angelduro]

@@HappyBeeGaming omg i was wondering what that was nahhhhh, We are cooked!!!

[@SCORPAIN88isme]

Rent in Wyoming and Montana has like doubled in the last 5yrs lol We still pay a fraction of the bigger cities but we make up for those costs on groceries…

[@astral6749]

You should also do a comparison to a time right before a bull market. You could probably use it like a null hypothesis, and highlighting the discrepancies could disprove said null hypothesis.

[@OniWasGone]

Who up marketing their monday rn 🤤

[@-Sai]

Always remember that Atrioc is a Coffee Cow not a Coffee Bull

[@knavishroot1238]

1:08 nah man, I say: "I ain't reading all of that congrats or sorry it happened" But it doesn't matter because most of the long posts are researched on wikipedia and written by chat GPT

[@Traditional_Sea6160]

I learn all my financial and geopolitics from Atrioc. I’m nutty at STEM but I’m a noob w/ this stuff. It’s so cool. If I ever have the time/money I’ll double back for an economics degree.

[@kaboomkp]

There’s some subreddits like AskHistorian or science that only allow verified subject matter experts or only posts that cite specific documented studies. Hundreds of deleted comments on those threads which I think is for the best… overall he’s so right about people not reading the article and then making points off the headline and other comments

[@dunethewanderer8944]

I don't get people who have such unbridled optimism about the economy after '08.

[@28Revenge]

I really wish Big A would put his sources in the description, it would be really intersting to actually read the sources and stuff

[@JizzMasterTheZeroth]

That's some decent malding cope right there.

[@NateLevin]

One big warning about the anecdotes vs data debate: it’s not true for all cases because of perception biases. Perhaps the best example is crime. Objectively, crime in the US is way down since the late 80s and 90s - but boomers/gen x consistently state in polls that crime is worse today than at that time.

[@ethanotterbein5479]

I really appreciate that he went through and addressed each of op's points. W streamer

[@lindadonald348]

Apart from Robert Armstrong at FT and Economist in general, Big A has got you covered with insightful markets analysis. Keep going, love it

[@Zomious]

That dude is probably in deep in some bad investments and is coping real hard as a recession would wipe him out.

[@LittleZbot]

1:04 Ah, yes, 90% of all KZbin Video Essays.

[@angusbarclay6281]

99%

[@Whimsicat_]

Was waiting all week to see this post get ripped apart on stream. The AI point in particular was very grating when I originally read it

[@sciencepod4887]

irrelevant of any numbers I am a 20 year-old. I recently graduated and I can’t afford rent and about 40% of my income goes to Just food. I am a highly educated flight instructor and commercial pilot yet with the current economic state. I can’t imagine myself moving out of my parents house or ever being able to even consider being 100% self-reliant and if that doesn’t signify that we are currently in a session I don’t know what does

[@novy3068]

​@FFantaSteve except that most 20 year olds feel this way?? My girlfriends older brother and his fiance moved across the state to go to college. With savings and both working jobs they STILL ran out of money and had to drop out and come home. It's not bootstraps, it's not going to some ivy league school. It's a recession.

[@kyle784]

It costs ~$150-200 for food per person for a month with homecooked meals. You should probably look for a job that pays over 375-500$/mo or stop eating out so much?

[@Twyzan]

How in the world does 40% of your income go to food? That's beyond absurd and just makes me think you are irresponsible with your money.

[@eduardomarcovics611]

​@@kyle784wtf are you talking about, non poultry meat alone is, if you are consuming average usa citizen, amounts to 110 dollars. And thats cheap ground beef, again averaged. Unless you eat straight rice you arent paying 150 dollars for food

[@sakaraist]

@@eduardomarcovics611 Homie should come to canada, cheaper meats are climbing well past $10-15 per lb aside from some pretty terrible cuts, fresh vegetables and fruits are quite literally out of the budget for a lot of people. Average monthly grocery budget where I'm at right now hit $450/month this year. Ironically, the cheap foods I used to bulk on 10 years ago wouldn't be financially feasable today, even just a dinner of chicken, carbs and a vegetable side every night would run me at least $250 a month. It's been a similar story when I lived in the states, germany, and the UK. Pretty sure anyone saying food is cheap either doesn't buy their own groceries or weighs 130lbs at their heaviest.

[@jbird976]

Welcome to the internet sir, enjoy your stay

[@Kraftik611]

Glizzy coffee cow, Big A.

[@Fyshtako]

Yep, it's not just for news posts on reddit, I'm sick of trying to gauge opinions on stuff and there's always these long posts you scroll half way through before realizing they're a complete idiot who believes they're on to something smart.

[@drkmercenary]

Reddit thread OP is one of those people who pops into stream and tells streamer to talk about a thing when the streamer talked about it an hour ago.

[@namonai]

The post's also not critiquing some aspects that it could make sense to critique like atrioc's general classical or neo-classical framing on many economic issues they're just mad cause he strays from the neo-classical a bit too much and the bit of leftist frameworks atrioc imputs into his analysies is what make them interesting and more likely to be accurate imo.

[@Bagel920]

Silly Atrioc, every economist knows that Jerome Powell presses his big red “No recession” button every day and that’s what’s keeping us afloat! Let’s hope he doesn’t get sleepy and miss the press of it tomorrow!!

[@wesleyleigh4063]

the highlight of this video was it was exactly how long it takes me to eat an entire bag of popcorn.

[@sakaraist]

OP opening up by saying predatory subprime loans aren't as big of an issue today has clearly no background in finance, or even purchasing anything in todays world. It's hard to look around a room in north america and find someone that isn't upside down on a huge auto loan or mortgage.

[@raksaKhan1337]

BigA is so mad when someone rub his ego 😂

[@shrinkingshrimp]

Hah, I always go straight to the second, even longer comment which corrects the first one.

[@CrazyPupil70]

14:14 correction to atrioc here quantitative easing was implemented in Japan a few years before it was implemented in the US

[@boopyboop6823]

Thank you, I was looking for someone to say this

[@JCNOTGG]

Love you man, keep it up for all of us.

[@judeyovichin7326]

It’s not that that guy didn’t have media literacy, he didn’t have reading comprehension

[@connormurphy6854]

this should be on his main channel too tbh

[@1davey29shows]

This is a somewhat unrelated comment, but on the last couple mins of the video, being cautious is generally such a good move. I remember watching Atrioc's comments on afterpay and klarna and the like, but i was already deep in the services. Now, after a bad year and a job loss, ive defaulted on all those loans and my credit score dropped massively. I wish I heard those warnings sooner

[@Sizzyl]

16:52 this is a very slippery slope, be careful

[@BR-ty3hx]

Big A's mic clipped for like 80% of this and that's how you know he was truly malding

[@Android480]

If you’re in the tech world, HackerNews is small enough to still have extremely high quality discussion and top comments. Very often the dude who invented the technology will chime in.

[@Jo-po2oo]

this guy is the messi of economics

[@ItsActuallyTJ_]

Glizzard is angy

[@udaysingh-wr2kw]

Atrioc you better be right about this . Cuz In atrioc we trust

[@pwngo]

For the point on delinquency by vintage year: isn't this exactly the shape of the graph we'd expect to see? I imagine if someone is going to be delinquent on a loan, there's going to be a huge recency bias, right? Since the lower quality borrowers are already weeded out and foreclosed on, it means that most of your older vintage loans are probably pretty safe bets, which is what this chart shows.

[@AtriocClips]

graph would include loans "closed out" in previous years. the point is that people who got mortages pre-2020 are very unlikely to default at ANY TIME (low interest rates, lower housing price) while everyone who bought after - even with good credit - is at much higher risk (higher prices, higher % payments)

[@pwngo]

@@AtriocClips Really? That includes all previous closed out loans over the entire time span? So 2021 saw more foreclosures than 2006, 2007, and 2008? That doesn't seem to match the moneygeek foreclosure statistics. I see 2008 with 1.332m foreclosures, where 2021 had 65k. I feel like this graph is instead breaking down the delinquency vintage years of foreclosures that just happened, which would explain the recency bias, and reinforce my point.

[@Dschonathan]

Last time unc was this riled up he was arguing about nuclear power with Germans😂😂😂 now he is debating finance with redditors

[@VIady]

BTW, the user is an associate accountant.

[@glswenson]

They should lose their job.

[@justoatze]

⁠@@GaifuKaisei You mean the marketer that does a lot of economic research and reading daily? The guy that actually did the research instead of saying “AI like car and car good”? Stop talking please.

[@testacals]

@@GaifuKaisei Your position is irrelevant if your arguments are mid

[@CheeseWithMold]

i cant wait to prove that redditor wrong when i lose my house and life savings

[@craftchunks]

The point at the start of the video is so good

[@JimMcNutty]

The issue with the whole recession argument is the one thing that is consistent and I think is not as lagging of an indicator is companies earnings. Manufacturing is in a recession but the majority of the country has double digit earnings growth. Tons of great points that are all currently being held up by a very strong labor market. If that starts falling apart it will go down like a house of cards.

[@otavongryf1379]

14:20 Japan invented QE

[@DanielWall-gj2nq]

I love his frustration with peoples stupidity

[@jimbeam275]

Paul O’Shanter let that chopper sing

[@notabsy]

"I dont want to show all of it because its paid" - Shows all of it lmao

[@pwnagecakes8934]

This video slaps