Did My Game Actually Make Money?

[@TheJordanComplex]

Please make it multiplayer, just so you can name it “The Carpool Update”. When you do this, please transfer my consultant fee to the usual account.

[@Heyo-s3t]

Lmao great idea

[@trevorhile6538]

That’d go so hard

[@Yachii]

I need to see Squeex pushing atrioc off while in a race.

[@ronanconley2595]

Just gave you a sub for this comment

[@rike889]

GOATED idea

[@LoveOlsson98]

4:30 This is so fucking important even for really small projects. Studying game dev at uni rn and we had a project which spanned a semester where we'd create a game in a team from scratch. We got our pitch done but we never really nailed down every single detail, just the general vibe. Made creating the game a living hell since you'd spend a week creating some feature just to find out it directly clashes with soneone elses work and you'd both have to redo it. Probably months of work in total which was just never included since it wasn't alligned with what others in the group thought the game would be. Pre-production might feel kinda boring sometimes, especially if you just want to get on with the coding instead of having hours and hours of meetings. But it might be the most important part of creating a game when working in a group of people.

[@st.lucient4755]

The importance of a game director to have one vision is important in making a cohesive product/experience IN A REASONABLE TIMEFRAME. You can just keep butting heads "democratically" in a team and eventually find a middle ground, but you'll find that it wastes so much time, resources and energy doing so. (Spare from rare cases where everyone already has the same idea) In experimental phases like uni, this is fine. But in real world, this is what creates 5-8 years of development hell. This kind of development hell pushes dev cost to baloon and forces you to either expect ending up with a loss OR jacking your product with monetizing in hopes to recoup your cost, or profit. Wishing good luck on your studies and hope you go on to make big things for us to play in the future !

[@VoidEternal]

This was a legit cool video. I wish we got to see more of this from game studios. The education of their consumer base would be pretty based

[@skullcandy14785]

I can understand especially if there shareholders and investors trying to keep it hush for privacy But with two Glizzy champs and they can talk it out and proud

[@alexx12545]

I appreciate his transparency with youtube and his other business ventures. Very insightful to important industries for young people.

[@agr0nianTV]

Agreed

[@callummcneill6266]

The developing series on Game makers toolkit channel is really good for this. He has an episode going over what his game made

[@Studeb]

The vast majority of games lose money, that is the sad truth, probably not as fun to share, especially if it's the developers' first and last game.

[@hungryfoodies782]

Bigging my A rn

[@webaazul2500]

Glizzying my coffee rn

[@AstralTitan]

Yeah.. we all are. You must be new, so welcome aboard, private! 🥳

[@iamdnorth]

Who else up bigging they A? 🥵

[@JaKingScomez]

Is big a actually own a game

[@creamjuicer5322]

Um ew

[@nxtis2083]

why wasn't this a main channel video i think it was very informative and optimistic, it would d owell

[@ryanp652]

this is the main channel

[@hastyscorpion]

@@ryanp652no it isn’t. this is the clips channel.

[@Cheato64]

Maybe it will be part of a separate video for the main channel. This channel kinda acts separately from the main channel so that's why you may see redundant information/same content on both channels.

[@bhume7535]

This channel exists for the quick and fast edit of the vods. Not really the main channel style vids.

[@ExtantPerson]

@@hastyscorpionYes it is. This is the main channel.

[@gtfgoogleface]

"they spent a hundred mil-" $400 million. They spent. $400 million. On Concord.

[@manaspradhan8041]

Jesus Christ. And people give disney shit

[@kyle7447]

🤮

[@l4nd3r]

It's not a confirmed budget, plenty of journalists have debunked those rumors. The 400 million likely comes from the funding ProbablyMonsters had acquired and used to fund three development studios (Firewalk, Hidden Grove, and Battle Barge). Firewalk (concord) was bought by playstation in 2023 for an undisclosed amount but likely added a bit more funding for the game, so a 100~150 million figure for the game makes more sense, still a lot of money but not near 400 million.

[@Peluceus]

23:25 chat said 'why is china on there 3 times' OOF

[@Kelemeth]

"I'm gonna close out with two of my favourite clips." *shows 1* Now that's a rugpull.

[@pilazpilaz]

Expectations: subverted

[@ScootTubeTV]

My favorite part about it being a “streamer game” is that someone can still watch a streamer play the entire game, but still play it and have fun as well (unlike something like the Stanley Parable which would just be ruined by a gameplay video)

[@greenoftreeblackofblue6625]

Yes but fuck no dummy that's how it got big and people got interested through the natural discovery of KZbin videos

[@trevor245]

I understand your point but I think Stanley Parable in particular is such a polished and intricate game that you are bound to find new things in your own playthrough unless you are watching like 20 people play it. Any other walking sim and your argument holds....

[@athor-w1v]

There is an argument to be made about spoilers vs visibility of the game, as when streamers play the game they are introducing it to a wider audience, but narrative games would mostly be bought by viewer because they watched the playthrough and not to actually play the game.

[@jay.murdock]

You play Get To Work cuz it's a good game, I play it to hear Big A grunt. We are not the same.

[@BigOwl51]

Good thing this game is profitable. That QTCinderella AI corn isn’t gonna pay for itself!

[@Ka_chi1]

​@@BigOwl51hahaha so funny bro😐😐😐😐😐

[@shsnwksybdeb]

​@@Ka_chi1 ikr lol

[@Syco07-pm3iz]

Glizzan Al Gaib

[@amaan06]

😂😂

[@lukewilmington9807]

Moo-adh Dhin

[@vishwathramachandran]

Bene Glizzerit

[@quickdrawmadness]

Glizzan al gabe

[@FF18Cloud]

Man, Florence was a good game I just wish the founders behind it didn't shoot themselves in the foot by mistreating their core staff

[@zakroslazaros4428]

Cool to see BIg A dive head into a game dev so that he can learn more about the space. Looking forward to when he opens up a Hotdog Stand in New York to learn more about Glizzies

[@JmssBraendle]

little fun fact about the refunds: i have a few friends who have published on steam and they also received primarily Chinese refunds… apparently it simply is more common there to play for the 1 or 2 hours you get and than refund

[@Zack_Taylor]

I almost refunded because a prompt made it sound like I needed a controller to play. I'm sure it's better with a controller or whatever but it works fine with wasd.

[@Zalied]

Doesnt the prompt just say if you're streaming a controller is better for viewers motion sickness @Zack_Taylor

[@TowelGard]

I think Team Cherry's biggest mistake was showing people a playable build. It made it seem like the game was almost done, when it just wasn't. For highly anticipated games, drip feed is the best approach.

[@Veilure]

This is absolutely a main channel video. The quality of this "clips" is popping off.

[@00-Null]

I’m new to this channel why do people keep talking about hot dogs in the comments?

[@dahalofreeek]

I've been watching for a couple of years and I don't know either.

[@1994ToyotaCamryEnjoyer]

No glizzy hands anywhere to be seen here

[@webaazul2500]

PepeLa he doesn't know chat

[@skywarr5508]

No clue, he's apparently the glizzler tho

[@sirbbq2403]

I also don't know but I've heard the term glizzy hands thrown around so I imagine it was maybe a joke about having sausage fingers that just stuck?

[@Cl0udWolf]

Even with a super successful game with the marketing power of big A they only made a bit of profit. Really goes to show just how costly indie games are.

[@gomjabbar6246]

(this is profit above what they budget for salaries. In theory, if you continually break even, then you're cool. Obviously, big A wants profit for the risk he took on.)

[@Cl0udWolf]

@@gomjabbar6246 ya but this has a lot going right for it that other indie dev's wouldnt have access to. and breaking even is not that great given how often games fail or ideas get scrapped

[@GEM4sta]

​@@gomjabbar6246 Sure, but 100k CAD is really low for a year worth of two devs - if you become a software dev and you're accepting that low of a salary you should really find a new job. But I think the point still stands that even with insane free marketing it's very difficult to just make a salary making your own games, and of course you're going to make some games that just stink.

[@gigitrix]

Being above costs at week 2 is insane - everything past that is additional and it's likely to have more of a long tail than anything with a big upfront marketing blitz.

[@Joshuiah]

I can't believe Aedish is outsourcing the editing to Airid now

[@ReadThisOnly]

the Big A trickle down effect

[@weabowoshi]

can't wait until Airid outsources Aedish's outsourced work to another editor that has a name that starts with the letter A for the Big A channel

[@jaqu9001]

my first exposure to this game was watching Sakura Miko play it, imagine my surprise later when i hear that Atrioc was the one who made it lmao

[@Youlookfunny-wg8iu]

Colloquial term for hotdog

[@swaan1312]

14:45 The hat actually made me buy the game, i watched big A play it till he had gotten the hat and then bought the game myself

[@alecpanic]

Biggest problem I ran into was the player gets worse accerlation on the steam deck's thumbsticks on default settings. I needlessly struggled through the first part of the game and only noticed I wasn't getting enough speed at the unpaid intern ramps section. Switching to an external controller, and/or getting on my pc fixed the issue. I feel like this problem would be hard to track since streamers would be playing it on pcs, and people who returned it might have just thought the game was too hard instead of finding out they weren't getting good inputs ingame.

[@thegombagamer0224]

Personally I enjoy watching it way more then playing it. I spent 45 minutes trying to get past the first level then gave up. I don't like how it feels but find it very satisfying to watch.

[@PfyscheStyx]

i’ve had the same experience. it’s a great game to watch a streamer play; but i refunded after 35 minutes

[@cbas1k]

Big A been watching for a while now and it’s been awesome ive been lucky to catch you a couple times live on twitch but i discovered you here on KZbin i love marketing mondays and tarketing tuesdays on a friday happy to see the new game and i look forward to play soon!

[@Mr_wisk]

concord spend 400 MILLION not 100 is actually insane how much they fucked up that game

[@prophoenixgaming279]

There’s a crazy amount of valuable information and ideas in this conversation! Keep it up big A

[@onlysmiles4949]

14:22 I hadn't thought about it until y'all brought it up, but it's really interesting how this is one of the only rage games that actually has a reward for its snake moment Like it's still frustrating to fall down to the bottom, but not only is it entirely YOUR decision, but the song and the hat also softens the blow so that by the time the song is over, the initial rage of being back at the start has worn off Edit: Didn't realize Isto pretty much says that second part like 1:1 a minute later Also shoutouts to the 130 people who returned the game because "the multiplayer doesn't work"

[@williamdevine7422]

Make a glizzy game.

[@thiccnick5462]

22:32 does Big A know that THESHY played his game on stream? I wonder if that helped with him being a famous pro League player in China

[@cyberjeeb]

I will say this was my first rage game i cared enough to beat and it's my favorite. (tbf only haved played getting over it, pogostuck, and this) It ticks the little counter strike surfing gremlin in my brain which i loved, but still there was a lot of effort and it was funny. The biggest complaint I think would be that the later levels didn't have enough detail in the environment and felt dry compared to the earlier parts. Edit: OMG Yeah I got the chair bug cause we just wanted to see if we could drag it along and I flew across the map, it was so funny (2nd try it crashed the game) honestly yall should keep it.

[@Merdoc2]

YEEEES IVE BEEN WAITING FOR AN ATTIOC RUGPULL

[@NihongoWakannai]

8:54 the game of sisyphus did numbers too

[@joshpuddefoot8948]

really fascinating seeing the business side of game development you don’t often have people show the financials and talk through their decision making process I’d love a similar video once the game has been out a year

[@whyriceofficial]

as a college business major, this is amazing thank you big A. btw where buy baldcoin?

[@hyd119]

I love your sense of humor; twisted like my own. I think my favorite fact is that the game has Super Monkey Ball roots.

[@willmetzler9018]

For the record I despise the genre but something you guys put in the sauce has me loving playing. The game is hard, but it feels so good

[@BruinsPastaSauce]

dude ive been loving gameplay of this.. i never in a million years wouldve guess big A had hand in this! thats fucking awesome

[@MarimbaMayhem]

I wonder if some Chinese people consider the game Anti-Capitalist Propaganda

[@goose9515]

China is a capitalist country, they just have a strong government

[@tri.man.3]

This is my first time hearing about the game and seeing that picture for it at 9:56 . I think it’s better than the bald character who I also haven’t seen

[@Jaza23]

As a European working in games, you should negotiate in USD. I worked for an Irish+uk owned middleware provider and we negotiated in USD even with other Europeans. Drop the funny money.

[@turewidstrom9200]

But why though? If both parties function in one currency, with expenses in that currency, why purposefully use a different currency for negotiations? The sums might not even be the same in cases where there is a currency conversion fee.

[@Honerkamp]

I got to the Middle Management Hat area the first time and went for the hat despite already assuming i'd go back to the start, didn't regret it at all and got back to the part before middle management within 20 minutes, feeling proud of myself for being so much better at the things i kept failing at before.

[@jeremykiel8799]

I would love to see a workshop community grow off this game as the movement is fun & I feel like community maps be fun

[@VyvyanTheGreat]

It’s interesting to see the return rate on rage games. From my experience, 7-12% is a good return rate (as in, customers returning the game), but that return rate is much much higher - which makes sense for the genre, but still useful insight.

[@noahgelman4923]

Carpool mode where 2-4 players are all tied together and have to get up together

[@deveshhargobin309]

UNOVA MUSIC INCLUDED I LOVE YOU AEDISH & AIRID

[@oversharingturtle4462]

I’m a long time KZbin atrioc and atrioc clips and somehow did not know about this game until this very video, so still a lot of marketing potential!!!

[@pfndesigen]

a level maker would be good, it would take time so you could create a web site so users can create level and a server that send level data to the game , not easy but fast enough to give you time to integrate it in the game

[@thecontextual]

petition to make this a main channel video

[@TWPO]

Awesome video, thank you for sharing so transparently. Very informative.

[@KireEveryGame]

Really cool video loved to see this level of transparency.

[@mattsolle3020]

Literally insane he doesn't even link his own game in the description.

[@paulcarroll473]

Not only does the dunce hat land in many ways, importantly, it happens at the perfect time, after the "demo" of watching the game (falling into the hole). This is the perfect time to buy the game and try it yourself, since the streamer has to restart, you might as well take a crack at it yourself.

[@Akaizakure]

I wish a DLC comes with the naming "Streamer Edition". Harder parkour obstacles, like real life streaming.

[@emerjay348]

Ask for suggestions on how to improve game mechanics

[@chippym8316]

Why couldn't this be a main channel video? Could have been Quarter 6 gambit 2.

[@Rindiculousfun]

Too much work for Quack XD

[@frx5095]

I get why they thought it wouldnt make any money. But the reason that 'no one will see it' is kinda dumb. I mean the whole premise was to make a game and play it on stream, thats not the same as just putting it on steam and hoping for the best. Not sure why he said that.

[@TabbedOutRat]

The people who see it are his viewers and only a certain percentage of them actually buy it. Then there is the people who are streaming and their viewers. Then there are random people on the market who decided to check it out. The steam algorithm will bury a game if not promoted outside of steam.

[@gnarface3831]

I remember watching the development of this and the plans for it to hit, and I just thought "oh this is interesting and dumb but good luck lol" then I saw it blowing up online. The plan worked, that's cool. And I just got a pc I might play this

[@iliastallon8087]

I'm 8 hours in, not even at middle management and still want to beat this game and eventually speedrun it. Nice game!🌭

[@noahyoung9136]

Here after that guy who's Bigging his A

[@DisastrousCake]

I love the game personally, but I do have issues with motion sickness at times which means I can't play for long sessions.

[@aebel.shajan]

This was a banger vid, shoulda been a main chanel vid

[@tehpanda64]

I hope this game gets a tony hawk's pro rollerman-style sequel

[@trabajodeinformatica2460]

to think this all stemmed from a game dav naming his name almost exactly the same as a random streamer is crazy

[@twizl4]

When is the hitman competition video coming out. I’ve been checking the main channel literally everyday I’m feigning

[@nighthawk6946]

If you add a content dlc, call it the “side hustle”

[@TheUltimateShade667]

23:43 "I'm gonna close out with two of my favourite clips" Shows one clip

[@azza3525]

Edited out for time, the other one was squeex getting stuck under a dumpster

[@TheUltimateShade667]

@@azza3525 For time? The video isn't an hour long.

[@blairbird8022]

Dunce Hat song goes way harder than it has any right to.

[@tomsanderson]

Rightly or wrongly, my first thought when seeing the box art was “Why am I not seeing this guy’s face?”

[@dhruvsubramanain2117]

atrioc redemption arc still going strong

[@TactialTree]

Saw big puffer play this didn’t know big a made it good job A

[@LiminalThought]

I tried game dev for a month after doing 3D for years and realized quick that it wasn't for me. IDK how you guys do it, it suuuucks.

[@Henry-bx9tc]

Good thing everything is in Canadian! Would have been really expensive if it were real money. 10:03

[@CrocsQT]

i like when atrioc speaks in 1.25x when he's saying something boring

[@brandonb6560]

Anyone try this one steam deck yet? I live a fast paced roller blade life and I need to know I can climb the corporate ladder on the go.

[@qmac9966]

This should be behind a paywall

[@david3199]

Connors voice is bueno for the game

[@Mynth16]

The first ever game to earn a glizzilion

[@matthewmckenzie8921]

It's crazy all of this came from some dude making a game that happened to have a name similar to a streamer

[@houligan5254]

I appreciate the post release breakdown

[@Matkatamiba]

Do you have the collection of all the streamers who got the dunce cap?

[@dropspindle]

I would love to see this too if anyone has one!

[@SomeFreakingCactus]

Holy shit Atrioc constantly interrupts people lmao.

[@orsikoGG]

Yeah I guess the dev thought this might be a bit more formal and atrioc saw it to be more of a casual conversation. The dev does talk alot tho, I don't think atrioc was too irrational

[@Squidmoto3]

Definitely a few misleading things here - and I say that as someone who also does this for a living and has outsold your game as just a duo. A lot of improperly valuing things, bad comparisons, and a bit of a misunderstanding of steam/marketing on/for it.

[@deadbearzzzz]

I hate how my little brain doesn’t even want to try to think about converting cad to usd and all numbers talk is just going right over my head. I never felt more like the way old people think my generation is.

[@Dah_jeff]

1 CAD = 0.7 USD

[@ninkey_]

i told aspecticor about that glitch that happened at the end

[@aviatornic2839]

Im proud of this comm7nity. In an non cringe way? And I'm new. I'm hammerrd

[@david3199]

Can you please enable developer mode?? I dug through the code and saw all the debug stuff...I'd like to mess around with it, without having to edit the code myself.

[@Ivan-Gomez]

glizzy glizzy glizzy glizzy

[@Roeclean]

Yes

[@cd-ramos]

powerful stuff

[@LitCactus]

chills

[@UnnecessaryEyeViewingGarbage]

This would have been a main channel video 3 years ago

[@johnathanarcher6999]

When's atrioc going to release a gameplay video??

[@jorgehaswag7294]

Next y’all should watch the noodle vid, shows you the opposite extreme of gamedev lmao

[@ReadThisOnly]

pretty solid 2x ROI! nice job

[@laxsin]

Considering what's happening in China's job market right now, they must either find the game too relatable for being realistic or too easy for being actually beatable.

[@TheMarslMcFly]

Did you get anyone "known" for the other localisations as well, or just random voice actors for each language?

[@coreyodell6220]

I watched a jp vtuber, Sakura Miko, play the game and it was still CDawgVA. She said a couple times she liked his voice, but she was pretty much just reading the Japanese subtitles

[@cholga]

How do I monetize my project management.

[@cholga]

Banger Presentation

[@surebetsa1892]

brother why is the name of the game nowhere in the title or description? a link to steam?

[@phasecracker6538]

Why isn’t this on the main channel? Cool vid 👍

[@Anthony-Viincent]

These comments especially suck because this is genuinely a cool video and instead of discussing how cool it is... "coffee cow glizzy glizzy"

[@Adriaaan]

What was the second clip?!

[@refusingtoconform]

This is such a nice contrast to Noodle's recent video discussing the failed development of a different indie game.

[@andrealmeida6831]

What was the reason for the second bump in sales?