THIS might be MORE dangerous than EV battery fires | MGUY Australia

While EV batteries can catch fire, it might be the EV owners that are causing more risks, with dodgy charging solutions and cheap cables.
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[@WESDEANEMARTIN]

EV - Ends Violently

[@randomidiot8142]

Exceptionally Volatile

[@zitzong]

EV make you sick 🤢 so EVs also stand for Extra Vommit

[@industrialathlete6096]

👍

[@industrialathlete6096]

@@randomidiot8142 👍

[@kennethblakeley6536]

Stealing that one 👍

[@SolAce-nw2hf]

Just wait until these electric cars get older and all kinds of budget aftermarket parts get installed to save a buck.

[@fredEVOIX]

yeah I'm an electronician I would not like to mess around with a refurbished battery, it's one thing to toy around with firecrackers when you're a kid and another to toy around with 1500lbs of fire breathing 1200°C/2200°F volcanoes I keep my "hacks" to things with little to no consequences attached

[@jasonpocaro2730]

Dorman replacement batteries 😂 they only blow up AFTER installation 😂

[@thomasm1964]

I doubt many vehicles will last that long given the rate of deterioration of the batteries. Six to ten years is about what most people can expect complete with escalating inefficiencies throughout that period. Electric vehicles have been around for 100 years and investment in the technology has only ever come from top-down, command and control economies. The genuinely free - as opposed to subsidy-led - market has never been tempted into this dead-end technology.

[@jasonpocaro2730]

@@thomasm1964 I work on vehicles. EV & hybrid. 3 to 5 years actually. Bad weather here In Ohio USA is TERRIBLE for outside cars & trucks. But, Indoors is even worse 😕 you should have a far away detached garage with halon gas extinguisher system pre installed with auto closing windows and doors. Contain the fire to a box away from ANY living structure or animals.

[@jasonpocaro2730]

@@thomasm1964 oh. And the first major collision? Vehicle is totaled 95% of the time... 🤯

[@LeonBarnes85]

This is a very good point ....what happens when ppl start purchasing TEMU chargers

[@oldbloke204]

Or knock replacement battery packs come on the market.

[@Yandex-y1p]

Chinese don't use earth. Even if its got an earthed plug and cable attached the charger itself will not be. Oh and red, blue or brown can randomly be live also. Plus many of the actual electronic components can actually be recycled e-waste

[@jaromor8808]

@@Yandex-y1p thinking "Chinese" means "crappy" is delusional af, true western cope

[@Yandex-y1p]

​@@jaromor8808even amazon are forced to remove 1000s of dangerous Chinese made products a year. Then they end up on ebay. Dangerous rubbish cheap nasty

[@paulmarwood4325]

I thought TEMU was quality kit? 😮

[@klimatbluffen]

I have worked as a truck driver most of my life and cannot remember a single car fire, I have seen an incredible number of car accidents but never a car fire. The only car fires I've seen have been arson, up until a few years ago.Now it burns several times a week and not only cars, but also electric bicycles and other battery-powered toys.I really don't think the development is going in the right direction.

[@rodgeorge7244]

@klimatbluffen same here I spent over 20 years doing long distance transport over a very large part of Australia then another 35 years doing country and some metro and the odd interstate trip and I have rarely seen a petrol or Diesel vehicle catch fire in fact I could count them on one hand with fingers to spare.

[@randomidiot8142]

I've had a pickup truck catch fire and burn to the ground in minutes, but all I can figure is a fuel leak and an electrical problem. Fire sprang up from the passenger side where the fuel lines in the frame were, so thinking electrical and fuel. I still don't know exactly what happened. It caught fire after idling for 15-20 minutes and poof, up it went as I was leaving work. Still wouldn't buy an EV.

[@paradiselost9946]

ive seen two car fires that werent arson. one was an accident, one was... not sure wtf was going on, really... yet over the last few years i have seen a LOT of garbage trucks dump their smouldering loads down culdesacs and side-roads... they dont get coverage unless somewhere obvious? had a few batteries of my own flare up... yet as a kid, with an auto electrician out back, no matter how many coathangers i dropped across batteries, i never got any to catch on fire...

[@dwayne7356]

I started as a firefighter in 1978. Back then we had several car fires a year. Sometimes people would park their cars on top of leaves or brush, have poor maintenance issues, or arson. By the time I retired, I doubt I saw more than one per year, mostly they started as electrical. I think that the US government started demanding car fire safety after the Ford Pinto rear-end collision fires. I also believe that with fuel injection, the rubber hoses were changed out to metal or braided fuel hoses to take the higher fuel pump pressures and carburetors and rubber fuel lines were no long a major issue. Maybe an auto mechanic can correct me if I am wrong.

[@hakan8997]

@@randomidiot8142 A fuel pump will emty a full tank in a minute or less if there is a leak on the pressure side. A old 1985 mitsu turbo where pumping 130 liters 34 gallon a minute in full flow. The few burned out cars i have seen here in Sweden, is stolen cars. At car dealers there could be cars with small fires put out, so its not a total.

[@davelowe1977]

This is a classic example of a failure of systems integration. First the entire grid needs to be x10 larger, now every charging location is going to need fire supression equipment.

[@suecharnock9369]

And the base line is - we CANT produce enough electricity to provide that system!

[@aperitifs]

Actually think of a suburb during sunlight and every house pumping 5kw into the 3 phases running to the nearby transformers pumping the power into the high voltage circuit. ( The suburb would not need any power from the main substation). 4.1 houses pumping 5kw into the suburbs grid is all a EV needs to charge the battery

[@Wee_Langside]

​@@suecharnock9369or get it to where it's needed without spending trillons

[@_Hal9000]

​@@aperitifs One cloud and the base load potential supplier needs to increase the power or the there will be a brown out.

[@davelowe1977]

@@aperitifs yeah, and think of that suburb at night when people actually need the energy.

[@anth5189]

User error in buying an EV. Clearly the INTELLIGENT thing to do is make it illegal for car manufacturers not to supply a cable. However we are not dealing with intelligent people.

[@wawabbit]

Yes, so incredible the manufacturer cannot be bothered to supply a cable. Kind of a big deal to be able to actually charge the thing. 😂

[@wretchlikeme5321]

Imagine buying a toaster with no cable?

[@suprememasteroftheuniverse]

EVs should be illegal period

[@JoeOvercoat]

Anything that will increase the cost of an EV one iota will always be rejected out of hand by the EVangelicals. That’s why our Govts allow this kind of risk, while they turn a blind eye to events.

[@Username18981]

But, but, but Apple did it... Crap ideas at one company are contagious.

[@TheStuffMade]

So not only are the EVs catching fire, but also the chargers/cables. I don't see how that makes it any better.

[@brianbucklew-g4c]

It Doesn't We are being. L. I. E. D. To

[@TooOldToCare-kl3co]

@@brianbucklew-g4coh heck yeah, you said it, this is all about control, nothing to do with climate change.

[@atheistconservative6211]

I've zero sympathy for anyone so stupid as to charge in the garage or keep their EV anywhere but on the street

[@esecallum]

I squared times R = HEAT

[@ttkddry]

​@@esecallumfaster charging, bigger I . What can go wrong :-)

[@Robert-cr8bq]

New advert in the UK. Elderly couple are pleased with their EV. They live in.....no, not a city, but Norfolk (for anyone not familiar with Norfolk, it is an area in the East of England that is 90% rural). Who the hell are they trying to fool?

[@gx4548]

it is an effective way to reduce the total amount of pension payment. just do not forget or see little the evil side of any single human being.

[@shaynegadsden]

@@Robert-cr8bq i guess that means they have off street parking then which is a major problem for owners also probably only do short trips too so it may be working for them until there is a problem and they are stuck for months waiting on a repair anyway

[@Robert-cr8bq]

@shaynegadsden It is an advert, and I am being sarcastic.So I don't think they actually. exist.

[@shaynegadsden]

@@Robert-cr8bq don't know not having a go at you just saying it might be true that situation is probably as close to idea for an EV as it gets

[@zarthemad8386]

old people

[@ShaunChurchill-t6o]

Thats another household that wont ever be buying EV’s!

[@leeinwis]

How come ?

[@ghunt9146]

​@leeinwis as the saying goes " once burnt, twice shy "

[@tradefortutara9608]

​@@ghunt9146or "burn me once, shame on you. Burn me twice, I'll never get burnt again😅."

[@chrisbaker8533]

I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. The level of ignorance and down right stupidity of people buying ev's is often off the charts.

[@ghunt9146]

@chrisbaker8533 can't argue with that!

[@AllanT-nu4rw]

Sadly, most people do not understand how electricity works, other than its a magical thing coming out of a receptacle. Case in point, customers would be constantly amazed than a little portable generator could not run their whole house. The icing on the cake was that many years ago a friend of my fathers who happened to be a doctor (not that it matters in relation to common sense) made up some jumper cables for his car. He was so proud of his accomplishment too as he showed them off. My father smiled while I took one look at his thing and said, lamp cord flex will straighten out once a few amps hits it, then the smoke will be released first as the insulation melts, the fire comes next. He actually thought that some alligator clips and lamp cord flex could be used for jumper cables, what a hot mess some people are about how they perceive electricity works.

[@eddydogleg]

"... a magical thing coming out of a receptacle." That put a smile on my face. At the same time if you do have a basic understand of electricity a jerry rigged set up can get you out of a bind. I had been out on a fly in job long enough that when I got home the battery in my truck was dead. All I had a hand to get the truck started was a 12 volt, 1500 mA, wall wort. It worked; just took longer to dump enough energy into the battery to get it started.

[@Chris-f7s2y]

Most people have no clue about how anything works, especially anyone under the age of 30. Ever seen a young person try to change a wheel on a car?

[@Cosmo-t9k]

EV... EXPLODING VEHICLE

[@timcetin372]

As a sparky of 40+yrs experience there’s one thing I can be certain of is that dodgy leads plugged into overloaded circuits will litter the suburbs far and wide, it will certainly keep the local fire stations busy but that’s not a good thing

[@adedavison762]

As a fellow Sparky myself-99 % of all electric faults are caused by bad connections 🧐

[@BD-bditw]

The typical EV driver knows not a mains lead from a dog lead.

[@yuandy3182]

ban all ev from using underground garage please

[@lrg3834]

Canadian here. We already do that in a building where I own rental property and sit on the strata board. The president is a structural engineer, and knows only too well the pitfalls of high voltage lithium-ion batteries.

[@chrisbaker8533]

Lot of places already doing that.

[@BadRavenFPV]

Its a wider issue than just that. Recently saw a Hotel (not in UK, but nothern europe) where the large open mesh and girder five level external fire exit staircase had their electric minibus and large charger immediately located under it. And the normal entrance/exit was adjacent just past its bonnet. I checked, there was no other access/egress. Glad I wasn't staying there! It also was in a country with a large number of narrow single track with tight passing places road tunnels, ones with blind corners, one with a roundabout, some several kilometers long, some narrow dual but long and even some of these undersea. No visible smoke egress systems let alone sprinklers. Improper or inadequate risk assessment and subsequent lack of action.

[@Jchathe]

And any long tunnel - can you imagine the channel tunnel?!!!

[@RobertETH]

Might consider that EV’s can only be parked outdoors and a minimum distance of 20 feet from any vertical surface. Also should be required, a dedicated fire management system at each location.

[@biggils8894]

The way Australian houses are now built on small blocks you don’t want to be living next to a EV owner either

[@Ragnar009]

It doesn't matter what caused it. It catching fire is what matters. If you have a bomb in your living room, does it matter what sets it off? It shouldn't be there to begin with.

[@TroySavary]

So when a clothes dryer catches fire, it is a sign we should ban dryers, even though it was probably the fault of the user for not clearing the lint trap?

[@kunka592]

​@@TroySavary 2000 lb of explosive lint is not required to operate a dryer though, so your analogy fails.

[@TroySavary]

@@kunka592 No, your understanding fails. The guy was saying if it can burn, no matter the cause, then it should not be allowed. So the analogy is fine.

[@janwitts2688]

I say it yet again.. the battery pack is connected to the chassis.. this means that it flexes and will always develop micro fractures.. unless the battery containment is 'rafted' this will always happen

[@papalegba6796]

Yes, the problem will only increase as the cars age. Same goes for electric scooters, though less so for ebikes.

[@philiphumphrey1548]

Agreed. Continuous vibration and shock is also a potential problem. It really needs flexible mounts and damping.

[@miraphycs7377]

therefore it is non-starter on body-on-frame trucks and off-road SUVs!!!! That is why even Tesla went unibody for the cybertruck with devestating result in terms of off-road performance

[@zwieseler]

The battery pack had nothing to do with this. It was a non standard cable.....????

[@hudsonbear5038]

I do a lot of offroading and greenlaning here in the UK.. Just imagen the damage to a battery of a 4x4 ev lol...Jeez keep the damn things away from the countryside...

[@davetaylor4741]

I saw this the other day. It made me think of two things. There is no cure for stupid. And given the price people pay for these death traps. Sorry planet saving electric vehicles. To not include an assortment of factory made charging leads, is an absolute disgrace. I read a report recently from a journo in an EV. Really low on charge. Found a charger. Cables didn't fit. Had to go and buy several hundred dollars worth of adapter or he was going nowhere. It all beggars belief. I'll keep fixing my nearly 25 year old diesel.

[@keegan773]

Not an EV battery fire ? If it wasn’t an EV it wouldn’t need the charging cable. The vehicle and its component parts are all part of the problem.

[@datepalm1969]

All seriousness aside, the 'sparks' joke with the facial expression was the highlight of this video; I haven't had such a belly laugh for a long time 😂😂😂😂😂❤

[@Ben-says-you-are-AWESOME]

So if a home charging cable is not provided by the manufacturer does that indicate that they do not consider home charging as a viable option, or, is not supplying a cable as standard just a method of getting more money out of the EV buyer?

[@ghengiscant538]

The latter .

[@brianiswrong]

Our 2024 hyundai kona ev was supplied with both the granny cable (13amp plug lead) and the home wall charger cable at no extra cost. However lots of wall chargers give you the choice of tethered (has its own lead you plug into the wall charger) or untethered (you use you car supplied cable)

[@jeremyashford2145]

You'll find the home charging cable next to the spare tyre.

[@SimonCoates]

@@jeremyashford2145 LOL, I'm guessing most people won't get this.

[@markh.6687]

Yes; manufacturers will always sell you anything at YOUR expense.

[@mikeyytube00]

Well, anyone buying a Leaf is obviously mentally compromised.

[@rodgeorge7244]

Simon I have a very good piece of advice for EV owners and it would solve all their problems don't buy the JUNK.

[@royal1956]

There should be fines for not using proper equipment. And I fully expect home insurance rates going up with ownership of an EV, if they haven't done that already.

[@JoeOvercoat]

Home insurance rates will go up for everyone to cover the EV risks. Insurance companies want to get in on the EV market, and they don’t want to discourage customers by charging what it actually costs to cover them, so they will charge the rest of us instead.

[@davidvanderklauw]

@@JoeOvercoat Insurance worshipers will continue to pay the premiums so why not?

[@1hasbeen531]

The Green Utopian Dream meets harsh reality, and the laws of physics. Epic fail.

[@dchubworldsharenetwork]

$500 and the car costs $40k and they can't put a charger with the car to keep people safe? If they really wanted EVs to spread, then they should also look at the safety of charging at home. Home car charger should be mandatory when buying a car!! Really stupid...

[@yo2trader539]

It's been over a decade but this reminded about a news article from China about a young flight attendant who died in a home fire. She was charging her smartphone with a third-party generic cable while she was asleep. The low quality cable was the cause of the fire.

[@paulholmes672]

Which begs a curiosity. We use "Made in China' as an epithet and an outgrowth of the 60's and 70's "Made in Taiwan", regarding product quality. What do Mainland Chinese consumers use as a similar descriptor, "Made in Mongolia (or Russia)"?

[@ausforaus7617]

I have been to China often, great place but many of their older apartments are death traps. So, if something like a phone ignites its all over ...

[@floxy20]

In the first few years of having domestic electricity people devised all sorts of dangerous wiring and connections which resulted in the predictable fires. Now, it seems we are returning to the good old days having learned nothing.

[@suecharnock9369]

I saw another KZbinr who explained that there is a HUGE problem over home charging. The basics as I understood it was that, due to the large ampage (?) of electric vehicle charging unless the houses are on the same earth there is an issue of creating static electricity! Can you imagine the side effects of static electricity of a magnitude of the actual charging voltage/ ampage? It could kill you just by passing by a metal object between two charging evs! So - who knows if their home is on the same earth as the other houses in the street? Especially if you like in an old established area say from the 1930’s? The whole thing is a complete idiotic nightmare

[@glenparker234]

One point about static electricity your EV is sitting on 2 or more rubber tires which are not conducive to electric so any charge will be held in the vehicle and most EV have around 400 volts or more to start with and a static charge can be in thousands of volts. I use to work in a semi conductor manufacturing company because of the high static charges we always had a plastic rod about 3 feet long with a metal hook connected on the end with about #4 wire connected to the hook about the size of your little finger and we would touch and hang the metal hook on the machines before ever touching them. One time one of the security guards pushed past one of the implanters we had with the doors open thinking he could do or go anywhere he wanted and was hit by what you might call bolt of lightning and killed on the spot about 2 feet from the equipment. Your EV does have insulated cables with large connectors which are not connected to anything after connecting them to your EV they should ground the EV and connect to the power source to charge them but in country’s other than America it sounds like they are not grounding the EV’s and a lot of people I’ve herd of touching the EV’s are getting shocked by several hundred volts and hundred amps. Like I said in America they make us ground everything they are concerned to a ground wire going all the way to the power plant and at all buildings and breaker boxes where electricity is going to anything we have to also drive a copper or brass rod 6 to 8 feet long into the ground and connect a wire to the rod and the electric box to make sure everything is literally grounded to the Earth so you will not get electrocuted from touching something that is plugged into a power source and the outside metal cases of tools and EV’s are also connected to a earth ground but I’m guessing that’s only in America. In England and Australia electric works differently so you don’t need to ground stuff but I would suggest you ware your rubber boots and heavy rubber gloves you will, probably get a occasional tingle touching things but you probably won’t die. I believe electric use to jump around 1 inch per 1 thousand volts but these days they keep changing all the facts so it might be better to just keep your distance from EV’s just to be on the safe side

[@lukeclifton4392]

@@glenparker234In Australia almost everything must be ground too!! Anything that draws above a certain wattage, involves water, exterior metal cabinetry/fixtures etc. literally the only things that don’t require ground in Australia are DC power adapters and chargers, and ~50% of TV’s/Audio equipment.

[@geoffsclassiccars]

​@@glenparker234only if the ev driver wasn't a cheap skate and bought "normal tires" guess what most don't

[@eddydogleg]

I would say either you or the KZbinr has gotten something mixed up. I spent decades working around 600 volt, 600 amp, DC motors. You where mind full when using water in and around the motors but at low voltage like that it's not a big deal for the installation to keep the electrons from leaking out of the wire. So "It could kill you just by passing by a metal object between two charging evs!"; no, electricity AC, DC or static doesn't work like that.

[@markboscawen8330]

Australia uses an earthing system called Multiple Earth Neutral. EVSE chargers monitor for DC on the AC line & earth. The safety systems in place means no one is getting shocked by an EV (unless they actively remove access hatches, safety covers & the insulation over the connection points.)

[@Galerak1]

It's funny how they're can quickly determine "the fire was not caused by the electric vehicle but from a travel adaptor connected to an aftermarket charging lead" without noticing the obvious elephant in the room that is, if these vehicles weren't being pushed onto the public through every coercion technique known to man then the vehicle wouldn't have been in the garage in the first place and the fire wouldn't have started.

[@jimihendrix991]

...were the fire appliances dealing with this bonfire also EV's? (Asking for a friend)

[@Noah_E]

I've had two incidents in four decades of refueling. My 1983 Wagoneer took for ever to refuel due to a sharp S in the filler tube. It once overflowed and spilled a little bit of gas. A scoop of clay kitty litter and job done. The other was me driving off to avoid a car jacking while the nozzle was still attached. The break-away valve did its job, so no spill and only a tiny dent in the quarter panel. They were able to reattach the hose and put it back in service, so little harm done. Can you even drive off with an EV charger active, and if so, what happens? I would imagine it being rather dramatic.

[@jeremyashford2145]

Did you just say no one can steal your car while it is at a public charger?

[@johnsullivan937]

No, they said you can't drive off and ESCAPE with it plugged in charging. A violent car jacker can figure out how to stop the charging process after they pistol whipped you. ​@@jeremyashford2145

[@chrisblood7395]

"What do you mean, this new Leaf doesn't come with a charging cable!?! Oh... it's a $500 ACCESSORY?!? Tell ya what... take a good look at my butt as it walks out the door - it's the last you'll see of me..."

[@daveb2wright]

What the zealots fail to mention when talking about car fires is the actual source of ignition. They mention the number of fires in comparison between ice and EV but nothing else. An ice car fire will normally start in the electrical system,faulty component, wiring or amateur bodging. The fuel useD in ice cars does not self combust. However, as has been demonstrated many times in the last few years, EVs have a habit of self combustion. They will get more risky with age as components wear (wiring sheath,etc) and battery dendrites form on the electrodes.

[@robertmoffett3486]

If only the cable was defective, why did the WHOLE CAR burn?

[@deniswauchope3788]

Exactly. The cable acted like a fuse; once lit, BAM!

[@outerlast]

it's going to take fires in gov buildings and their houses for them to actually acknowledge the risks. that's how stupid it is

[@The4Crawler]

Wait a minute, I thought home charging was the holy grail of EV ownership; "The Nissan Leaf does not include a cable designed for home charging with a household power point." ???

[@markchapmon8670]

The Nissan Leaf comes with a Level 1 EVSE (electric vehicle service equipment) in the USA. I would find it hard to believe it does not have one in every EV they sell. This is NOT a hardware store extension cord we're talking about.

[@iainhogg5245]

Always common sense here, regards

[@vandamonium1731]

recent FOI request by an insurance company on EV fire data between 22/23 ev CAR fires went up by 43% and that doesnt include buses bikes scooters or vans

[@masterchiefburgess]

Not a particularly useful statistic without context. What is the percentage increase of EV ownership in the same time period? (Don't get me wrong - I am NOT an EVangelist - I hate the things. But we have to avoid falling into the same habit as the pro-EV crowd, and possibly misrepresent the data).

[@TroySavary]

​@@masterchiefburgessNumbers are hard for Luddites.

[@wboeren1]

Who does not like opportunities to screw things up. The joy.

[@tylerdurden4006]

Why can't humans learn that ev's should never be parked inside any structures or you will lose it?

[@asaine]

You have a critically important channel discussing the dangers of EV's...

[@powderhog7272]

Stellantis recalls 194,000 Jeep plug-in hybrids over fire risks

[@JackSht-lv2on]

The charging cables should be as thick as the user.🙄

[@b4ph0m3tdk9]

That is such a good point! Central fueling is more secure, but home fueling are more convenient yet dangerous.

[@Tom-dt4ic]

And here I thought you anti-EV types didn't like central things that "control" you.

[@b4ph0m3tdk9]

Better than a State pushing for EV and subsidising EV purchases and E-heating systems, but when people actually buy EV's the Electricity grid is not ready and the tax on Electricity goes up.

[@Tom-dt4ic]

@@b4ph0m3tdk9 I bought an EV and didn't crash the grid.

[@dondalphinjr5953]

There is another site I follow made by a fire captain, like this site, CLEARLY SHOWS the dangers of all ev's. Keep up the excellent work Simon,

[@k.chriscaldwell4141]

It’s 2AM. Do you know what your EV charging in the garage is doing? Sleep tight.

[@zitzong]

@@k.chriscaldwell4141 petrol car 🚘 more safe 👍

[@sptrader6316]

I think manufacturers should be mandated to supply the proper cable with the car.

[@rjones6219]

I do a lot of motorhome holidays, and stay on sites with electrical hookup. It's amazing, just how many 'campers' leave their extension cable on the reel, and then stick it under their van. Many of them also connect to the mains, before connecting to the van.

[@pyrobob208]

That's ok as long as you aren't using much power, eg. battery charger. An air con or heater could be a different story. All you have to do is check the lead isn't getting warm. If it is, uncoil it.

[@downtoearth1950]

Today I noticed a new Tesla owner has installed the charger on a pole outside on the driveway. As I pass this property 6 or 8 times a week i have noticed the vehicle is always parked on the driveway approx 4 metres from the under main roof garage with,a panel lift door. This coupled with the outside charger makes me think that the owner will not allow it undercover because it may spontaneously combust!. As we live in a hot sunny area, I think that exposure to weather will make its appearance deteriorate quite quickly and be hot to get in for months on end.....

[@zarthemad8386]

well.... the EV only has a life of 6-10 years prior to battery failure

[@philiphumphrey1548]

Also a typical domestic electricity supply and wiring here in the UK is only designed to handle peak currents of typically 60 amps maximum at the master fuse or breaker, about 14,4KW max, for continuous use typical domestic current is rarely more than 2 - 3 KW. If you're going to charge an EV for hours at 10-15 KW, things are going to get very warm and age in the electrical system, and that could lead to all sorts of problems down the line.

[@RB-ck3xr]

Well, I'll have to call BS on that. The the majority of modern semi detached and detached properties in the UK are single phase, not 3 phase, fused at 100 amp. The ev chargers (domestic) are limited to 32amp (7.5kw). In older properties or MOUs you could find 60A fuses on the incomer, still way in excess of the 32A limit of the charger. Where you have a 60A incomer the charger should have load shedding enabled whereby charging power is restricted (clamped) when other devices (electric showers, 11~13kw, immersion heaters, 3kw, etc) are drawing power.

[@jb5nf]

I'm really getting more and more scared of these EVs. Get nervous even when parking next to one. How is this safety hazard being allowed to exist?

[@mikequinn6206]

Only today, 3rd. October 2024, people on talk back radio were referring to their insurance premiums escalating by 50% over the ICE version of the same vehicle. It was a serious topic on radio this morning.

[@karenwk1760]

So we are supposed to feel better about it not being the car.. ? Insanity

[@briansmale5457]

Being a Sparkie for 50+yrs i'm still amazed @ the things people do to make electrical appliances work , i remember going to a job where the lady was very proud that her husband had wired some lights on a steel post with car speaker wire . I said this is very dangerous, 1 because of the cable & 2 because it is NOT earthed, her reply was it's been working OK for 15yrs. That seems to 1 of the biggest issues i come across, if it works it must be OK , how many people are sitting on ev charger cable time bombs ?

[@Runco990]

I am terrified of loosing MY house thanks to my neighbor's EV!!! We recently had a fire on my street that started in the garage.... first thought was did they have an EV??? Luckily it was the furnace and the fire dept. was quick to put it out. Really love this beta test technology. I don't want to be a victim of it.

[@DwaynePipes]

Ban furnaces! Fire hazards.😂

[@Runco990]

@@DwaynePipes Yes, that WAS an odd one.....

[@kimmer6]

I had a well designed and built solar/inverter/battery bank ignite itself and cause over $100,000 damage to my shop and garage. An internal BMS part on a name brand battery dead shorted and set the LiFeP04 battery bank on fire. LiFeP04 is the SAFE battery chemistry that does not get thermal runaway and can be extinguished with water. I had my fire hose charged and spraying water through a roof skylight 70 seconds after hearing a big POP and saw the smoke. I saved my house and the neighbor's house. We are in a high fire hazard part of Northern California. That's why I have my own fire hose cabinet ready to go. Video showing partial damage... kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZoPZc55se7d9l9k

[@Runco990]

@@kimmer6 Yes, you are lucky, lucky, lucky!! 🫂

[@kimmer6]

@@Runco990 Absolutely. And then a few nights later at 3AM, I awoke to the smell of generator and that nasty burnt battery smell and something hit me between the ears. My brother passed away a year ago at 72, had severe Asperger's and Parkin's Diseases. He never worked, stayed at home all the time, no kids, no wife, had a live in caretaker, and was pretty disabled. He had a severely abnormal fear of fire for all of his life. Even flicking a lighter sent him into paranoia. I had been reading his deceased final tax returns when the fire happened. I was supposed to be away from home that day but the online signature was not accepted by the IRS until the 5th try with the accountant that day. I was reviewing the accepted returns when the fire happened. When I woke up at 3AM, I heard my brother's wavering voice say ''I HATE fire. You fixed it. Never let it happen ever again!''. Maybe my brain thought it up but I'm still convinced he had something paranormal at work and saved my bacon.

[@vyr-mk1dz]

E-bike chargers have same issues, the original device suddently caught fire and sparks flew around

[@SalemikTUBE]

I noticed in a news report that EV fires only count in the figures if they burn while charging. If they burn after a collision they do not.

[@yagsinamagoy6367]

Last night I saw a petrol tanker refilling the BP station's tanks no more than 15 yards away from.....yes 2 very fast electric charging stations! Was going to take a picture but the tanker guy was looking in my direction so decided not to. There were no cars charging but what if an electric car shoots fire towards the tanker? Boom! Tanker catches fire, pipe into underground tanks catches fire, underground tanks (highly enclosed environment) with potentially thousands of litres in. Wide area goes 💥

[@laydownlays]

Diesel is not dangerous at all, only the electrical parts. Try lighting a glass of diesel with a match, the diesel would put it out(just like sunflower oil would)

[@deniswauchope3788]

Diesel is good for many reasons: it's fumes aren't flammable as you mentioned, it's cheap to produce since it requires far less processing than petrol, it has lots of energy contained in a litre, it's easily & safely transportable. The only reason it's priced so highly is because of gov't taxation. The gov't vastly increases the cost of virtually everything, yet no one ever thinks of cutting the taxes & duties that we all pay. Cut government spending & they won't need to loot us so much!

[@mattigower1479]

One thing is for sure, if it had been a Nissan Pathfinder or a Nissan X Trail, there would almost certainly not have been a fire at all. Plus the planet would have been a whole lot greener, for not manufacturing an EV and for the lack of a large toxic cloud of lethal fumes from the fire.

[@Paetaor]

Thanks!

[@FrankLSD38]

I say let em do it... may as well remove all warning labels and let God sort it out

[@petert24turner71]

Anything being recharged has the potential to catch fire. Therefor Never leave anything on charge without being in attendance. I will not even leave my house with any item running such as fans, washing machine, heaters etc. Yes the fridge still operates. I am cautious on what could cause a fire so I take precautions.

[@Cosmo-t9k]

HIGH VOLTAGE... LIABILITY MACHINES

[@Boodieman72]

Just wait until people are charging more than one EV at home.

[@bwalker4194]

EVs are marketed and targeted at the average idiot with too much money and too much time on their hands. Their downfall will be they were sold to the average idiot with too much money and too much time on their hands.

[@walterscientist]

Out-of-specs industrial-grade equipment is a major hazard. That is why you see most professionals getting equipment from one of the few well-recognized brands (for example where I live almost everyone gets a Makita when it comes to electric power tools).

[@kunka592]

Makitas have pretty good reliability from what I hear. They aren't always the most powerful but that's probably what helps them last longer.

[@ranger178]

in America we have terrible design of extension cords minimum wire to outlets is 14 or preferably 12 gauge so just throwing any old extension cord into an outlet might be 16-gauge wire so if you pull full 15 amps or close to it from outlet you can burn up extension cord people do it plugging in portable heaters into extension cords

[@N20Joe]

plug strips are the same way. The device itself is like 16ga (rated for 10 amps) and people plug in 15 amps worth of stuff into the 6 or 8 receptacles then of course it catches fire because the wall circuit can handle it just fine but the plug strip can't.

[@paulholmes672]

One of the main factors in the improper use of devices is the abundant supply of below or minimum standard hardware in so called hardware, or department stores. They'll sell 16 and 18 gauge extension cords for a few bucks and expect 20 amps to flow over it, and get by with a two sided letter size tag zip tied to it, to absolve them from blame. Moved into my 1945 house 8 years ago, had to rewire the house due to the previous rewire (done by a licensed electrician!) filling the Main panel with all 30 amp single pole breakers, on 1986 non-annealed 12 ga. NM cable in addition to the old BN style horsehair cable. A high percentage of homes and businesses out there are on the verge of disaster, but if it doesn't fail spectacularly then no one knows or cares. Ignorance IS bliss!

[@guardianminifarm8005]

Very important points.

[@keithy077]

FYI "Master Electrical Acc" recommend in many cases upgrading the mains to you house if installing a EV charger.

[@australiainfelix7307]

An important video. Some sound bytes should be played on commercial TV as a public safety advertisement.

[@bikersoncall]

Some troll tried to tell me that millions or 10's of millions of homes can use their solar systems to charge their vehicles in case of floods etc. I'm still lmao and smh. 😄

[@ghunt9146]

And, during the night too!

[@bikersoncall]

@@ghunt9146 LOL, most of them will count on it! 😄

[@kimmer6]

My home solar system with battery bank in NorCal ignited 2 months ago and burned my shop. There was very little load on it at all. My quick action got water on the fire 70 seconds after hearing the loud POP and saw black smoke. Saved: 3 Honda CBX's, a Goldwing, Helix scooter, Trail 90, and a Magnum P.I. Ferrari 308GTS, 3 complete marine engines, maybe a dozen generators, lathe, mill, 8 tons of tools. Insurance company estimates $100,000 plus in damages. At least I still have a home.

[@malfunction8165]

A relative of mine has a Renault 💩💩box EV (I've been warned NOT to say anything) It needed charging up so she used the supplied cable, plus an extension lead in a domestic UK socket outlet. Then she kept getting notifications that the car was charging then not charging. I got there and noticed that the very long extension reel was hot, (not been unwound, so high current) causing the charger to cut off(?), so I swopped it for a shorter lead, problem solved. Sort of made me think though.

[@markchapmon8670]

I know someone who had an early Chevrolet Volt and charged it at their home. They either didn't read the directions for using their charge cord or they disregarded the warnings in the instruction manual. The weight of the cord hanging from a standard 120V receptacle was totally on the plug on the end of the cord. Thry burned up 2 power cords and scorched the side of their house from a (thankfully) small fire that went out when their circuit breaker tripped. I certainly agree that any Level 2 EV service equipment will carry enough power that, when mishandled, can kill you and / or burn down the building ....so NO shortcuts.

[@b21raider27]

Good point. Smartphone market this has happened as well due to cheap third party chargers or batteries. Thus not surprising some people do this with EVs too.

[@Mc674bo]

The Whole idea of home charging has been misunderstood by many who think this is not a problem , manufacturers have increased the confusion by supplying a lead to allow it to be plugged into a domestic socket outlet . Which makes no allowance for the safety of the socket that is used or if it has earth leakage protection . We then see examples of the use of extension leads being used which again can induce yet more potential for problems . Even using an extension that is not fully unwound will generate heat resulting in a possible fire . As a retired electrical contractor I’ve seen all these problems in the real world , but I don’t blame the public at large . It is the industry itself that should have a more proactive approach, and so mitigate the chances of issues being created in the first place .

[@6teeth318]

No one knows anything about anything anymore. When i grew up we made stuff. And making studd gives you knowledge. I build drones and you get a knowledge for AWG. How much power is needed to run in this cable to this thing and what AWG does the cable need to be. Before, almost anyone could take apart things and we knew what was inside. Today no one hardly repairs anything, People are even oblivious to how much power there really is in a smartphone battery. It is just a little battery!!!!

[@hudsonbear5038]

There should be home checks and Fines for EV chargers as well as higher insurance cost if you don't have them done... The damage and devastation they could cause far outweights the cost of such checks... If this was at a factory etc it would be standard with hefty fines...

[@MrBashem]

Who is going to pay for that?

[@hudsonbear5038]

@@MrBashem The EV owner... They choose too have an EV and charge at home increasing the load and risk of fire, Their choice, their risk. They pay.... SIMPLE.

[@simoncrooke1644]

Outways? Hudson, you really are too funny.

[@hudsonbear5038]

@@simoncrooke1644 That the best you can do??? Sorted it for you... that better or are you still triggered??

[@BD-bditw]

The craze of squirting Superglue into charger plugs seems to be taking off here in the UK.

[@simoncrooke1644]

Damage to property is a criminal offence.

[@maifantasia3650]

At 3:12, offer advice to EV owners? How is it possible to offer advice to those that ignore advice?

[@swoopulater]

good point about 'industrial type' charging in a consumer home. i've spent my entire carreer dealing with industrial charging in the material handling business and i can say without any reservation that you MUST use the recommended charging aparatus and cables or YOU WILL have issues. Especially if you are using a fast charging application, if you take short cuts using cheap aftermarket solutions you WILL be putting your life, your property and possibly others in danger. It's not a matter of IF it will self destruct, it's WHEN. Be mindful and ask questions, learn everything you can about your product before using it, and IF it seems the slightest bit skechy? then DO NOT use it. Don't listen to the marketing advertisements, take the time to actually look up the technical docs on whatever it is your wanting to use, and even then get the advise from a known certified electrical tech before making your decision to buy it.

[@jamesrodgers3132]

Actually the Nissan Leaf is the safest EV battery-wise, because it use pouch cells instead of cylindrical. Got that from a professor who's made a study of lithium battery risks and advises fire departments in the UK

[@miraphycs7377]

i am afraid james that you are getting the information incorrect. The safest batteries are cylindrical because it offers open spaces in-between the clinders where the engineers can add cooling features. Prismatic batteries are also safe. In fact it is the pouch cells which are the most dangerous because it can expand and contract throughout its life. So much so that even BYD stopped using pouch cells

[@ms-jl6dl]

The problem here was not battery but cable. So who cares how good/bad are Leaf's batteries.

[@TehPwnerer]

Fishing rod was a great idea despite any negative reaction it solves all problems with cable on the ground. This is what happens when they are pushed on everyone with insufficient infrastructure to support them all. Not a failure of EVs but of the government's forced roll out of them

[@martinwalker9234]

Tell me again why EV sales are falling..."BYD set a new record in September, delivering over 400,000 EVs for the first time in a single month. The company reported 417,603 units sold, with 164,956 being BEVs and 252,647 PHEVs. This marks a 46% increase compared to September 2023, reflecting BYD’s continued dominance in the domestic market and growing export success, with over 33,000 units sold overseas."

[@chrisbarron5861]

In the UK, if you want to run some new cables for an appliance, they must meet safety regs, and need to be signed off by a sparky. EV owners seem to hope that their environmental aspirations are more important than everyday regulations

[@zarthemad8386]

yea ... but lets be honest.. no one follows that crap

[@chrisbarron5861]

@@zarthemad8386 Lets be more honest, they do when you come to sell your property

[@johngoard8272]

Yes Simon as you say the average person in the street has no to very little comprehension of using electric cables. I have dabbled in electronics over the years and I have seen some people endangering themselves or others by blindly using cables and cords in some very scary situations. It also occurs to me that Nissan like so many other EV makers do not have any systems in place to avoid the situation in this video. This brings up one of my main concerns and hobbyhorse that is what the heck is going to happen when the insurance companies twig onto this very real problem and adjust their already obscenely high premiums to cover any building that entails parking an EV in or near any structure that they are insuring. Total insanity!!

[@Sam-f1k8e]

in California they steal the charger cables for the copper.

[@saabreplay7553]

Excellent work my friend

[@stacysanders-w3e]

Even if lithium wasn't unstable the voltage and amperages involved in an electric car and the chargers they need places the owners their homes as well as the public at risk not only from fires but also from gruesome electrocution. All it takes is a few inches of standing water and it's hello St. Peter.

[@SillySausage-mq3so]

More and more fires as years go by, and when we have a big flood again, and we will, EVs are going to go off everywhere :/

[@nigelcox1451]

A brief smile. The link to the fishing rod vid, seems to be the one that got away.

[@johngalt7382]

My entire electrical service in my home is 240V @ 100A. 24 KW, and even that sizeable amount of power is still a 4+ hour charge. A charging cable to carry that current any distance would need to be 2/0 welding cable. Battery-operated transportation is inefficient, dangerous, and stupid.

[@markboscawen8330]

For the usual 5 metre length of an EVSE charging cable, 4mm2 is adequate.

[@glenbrand8436]

3 phase power is 415Volts . It is to do with maths and how 360 degree phases intersect to make a higher voltage. Industrial power at its best. It should stay in an industrial place and mostly attached to fixed equipment. Extension cords require very solid protection. At 220-240 volts a 100 amps would require very thick wiring.

[@markboscawen8330]

Cabling is rated to handle 22Kw or 7Kw depending on 3 or single phase. Each cable in a 3 phase & single phase connection is only carrying about 30 amps. For the usual length of an EVSE charging cable, 4mm2 is adequate.

[@1stRanger]

They don't include charging cable with the vewhicle. Even Apple well know for their greed and anticonsumer practices includes charging cable with their devices.

[@srfurley]

Travel adapter? Oh dear, this was not going to end well.

[@thomasdragosr.841]

This reminds me of when people would put s penny in the fuse socket on their power panel because they didn’t have a fuse or they kept overloading the circuit and blowing fuses. “Yessiree, that penny ain’t gonna blow…”

[@paulodisano502]

Keeping my 23/ Camry and 24/ Tundra, thank you! Cheers Simon.🇨🇦🇦🇺

[@stronzer59]

20 years ago did a round Oz trip carrying 3x 44 Gallon drums reserve fuel, city and town prices are way cheaper than Bush prices, so Getting a 1000 miles of range was handy Using truck bowsers to refill drums takes very little time I can't even imagine any EV doing the trip I did, Cape York?? Totally impossible.

[@adamaglionby7438]

Remember the wet towel charging handle hack?😔

[@WilliamKirkland-j4r]

Thanks for the report. As an 87 old man, I've been looking forward to a Self Driving car and some real progress has been reported. However, it appears that type service will be limited to EV's and with the inherent dangers of current EVs, it will probably be ready after I'm gone - well, somewhere..