This Might Be The End For Destiny 2

[@AscendantNomad]

Confirmation as I was uploading - this was all Bungie, not Sony. twitter.com/PaulTassi/status/1719396652996317488

[@lLiquid]

I completely thought this was all Sony. Fuck....

[@nekoma7a]

fuck this game. i'm out for good

[@xdifficultviper9916]

@@lLiquidI mean Sony has been doing pretty solid at giving their studios what they need to succeed like just go look at insomniac (which they acquired in 2020). I figured it was a bit of both but it also didn’t add up, if it was Sony it would’ve happened much closer to when they purchased bungie

[@dooperpop3977]

If it was a sony pulling the strings like most of us had thought then it would honestly be better. knowing that it was bungie is a complete betrayal, I have no more faith in this company. Truly disappointed

[@SilkyJohnson7]

We always said the real Destiny killer would be Bungie . . .

[@RealSolus]

The loss of Salvatori was such a low blow. The music has always been one of the most important parts of Bungie's games. It just won't be the same without him. Best of luck to all who were laid off, and goodbye Michael. :(

[@robbienm89]

His departure just doesn't make sense regardless of how you look at it. The man is worth his weight in gold as far as music is concerned

[@QU67Reacher6]

Sacking Salvatori is still so weird to me. I mean no offense to the original Halo teams but the two names I think of first and foremost when thinking about the OG Halos are Marty O'Donnell and Michael Salvatori. How bad do things have to be to tell Salvatori to leave?

[@faelgrim5130]

We lost the destiny that was hinted at in music of the spheres, when Marty left. Now we're losing the current destiny with the layoff of Michael. Sad times.

[@ajoconnor64]

It really did hit hard for me. It's so damn frustrating

[@lumas69]

Been humming the halo theme for around 20 years now. They had a musical GENIUS on their hands. Silly layoff

[@Forcer69]

I knew Destiny would eventually die out, never thought It would be like this.

[@jonathanirons6735]

We've been saying for years Bungie are the only ones who can kill Destiny. Looks like they're finally taking it to heart

[@hylianglitchmobber7570]

In my own opinion, the last few years of D2 have telegraphed clear as day that this is exactly how things were going to end with this franchise

[@zerotodona1495]

Heheheheheheh. As soon as Sony (California) bought them. You should have known better.

[@DatboyCS]

I knew it was over when they jumped on the “battle pass” season pass bandwagon. I’d hoped they’d do it like D1, just release hefty DLC with enough content to keep you entertained till the next one. Selling cosmetics is cool, but season pass is not IMO

[@JohnJones-bm9ot]

From the wise words of the drifter, “nothing can kill a guardian faster than another guardian.” This definitely applies here

[@TheManoDestra]

Another point that others made was that the Sony Fiscal Year ends on March 31, starts on April 1. It would pad the stats quite a bit for the 2024 fiscal year, instead of rounding out the 2023. Still, this is gut-wrenching. Losing Salvatori, instead of letting him retire? Unimaginable.

[@lalakoola8655]

Wait, so you're telling me that Sony are... Stat padding? Like those wannabe trials sweats?

[@naiveveg8447]

​@@lalakoola8655yup. Every big business does it. All so the ceos and big wigs get a nice hearty bonus.

[@vivecald-vehk6978]

@@lalakoola8655 yes.

[@vivecald-vehk6978]

@@lalakoola8655 in other words, "it will look better on the papers if we get rid of the people who built this game just before the end of the fiscal year. Green numbers must be higher than red ones!"

[@Joel-vt8bt]

You mean 2025 fiscal year?

[@GreenStreetSlim]

I see the writing on the wall, Bungie is burning money faster than it can make it. You don't sell your company, lay off vital employees, delay content and raise prices across the board if your ship is steering in the right direction.

[@IntrusiveThoughts838]

Greed is the only cannonball to bring the ship down, that and incompetency

[@ghoulishgoober3122]

Bungie isn't laying off the employees, it's Sony forcing them so that's irrelevant to the things bungie is doing

[@Killahurtz260]

"MCU post-End Game" damn.

[@jesseritchie9282]

A very proper analogy

[@myob94]

@@jesseritchie9282🤓

[@katoka143]

When I quit Destiny 2 months ago for good, I was sure that the Final Shape would suck. Now I'm 98% certain. The upper management still hinders content delivery with their "Max Profit, Min Effort" Plan and now so many important people are gone and the rest are left to pick up the pieces.

[@katoka143]

@@Anedime I didn't know that the people were in social teams, fair. But if the upper management doesn't care about these people, why should they care about the players? We have known since GDC 22 that they don't want to put out the best possible content to reduce costs, so why should that change now? They fired 100 employees on the 30th so that their health insurance only lasts one more day, this is an extremely scummy move.

[@LSB44446]

@@AnedimeFiring your composer after saying a few months ago that the game will still get DLC after the next one is a pretty bad sign

[@destrir407]

@@LSB44446 worst part is he probably finished the music and then got layed off

[@hansiesilver2991]

Dude it was just the comunity team, and the music, calm down

[@infamousrob08]

Biggest gut punch I've suffered as a gamer in years. It doesn't feel good to be a fan of this game right now. Everything feels like I've been gaslighted for years and I'm pissed with all the good will I've given to this company over the years.

[@LakerTriangle]

Your fault - enjoy the game and the work put into it not the company behind it.

[@owenmudgett1343]

@@LakerTriangle except for the fact that enjoying the game usually comes from playing the expansions, which supports the company behind it. While rampant hiring would've eventually ended in layoffs, NO ONE with a shred of sense saw the firing of some of the top dogs and well known names at the company like this. Don't blame the players, blame the apathetic upper management of Bungie

[@generalsweet8212]

Surprise! Big corporate entity is not your friend!

[@aschaffernak]

Maybe you should not play video games at all then. Even if you switch to another video game developer, you most likely will support Sony, Microsoft or EA with it. Corporate greed is deeply rooted in the video game industry. And layoffs are unfortunately a part of it.

[@takuame7]

Hopefully this is a wake up call then. Hate to sound like a douche but being a fan of the destiny games is just being sucked into a pretty looking skinner box. Got sucked in for the first year of D1 then broke free and never looked back. My heart goes out to all the employees who worked on destiny though, especially the art and music teams.

[@HowdyHowdy_]

Bungie is going the way of OG Blizzard. L after L, bad decisions after another, hollowing out a beloved developer and franchise for the sake of executive profit. A god damn embarrassment. If I could go back in time to 2019 I would stop myself from playing Shadowkeep and avoid getting sucked into this nightmare from the getgo.

[@BahamutBreaker]

Nomad, here’s what I greatly appreciate about you. You consistently say - rather eloquently - what other Destiny influencers say, but in a fraction of the time and words. You rock.

[@realestpersonever]

shut up

[@TheRealBlueJay]

Thank you for making this video, Nomad 💙

[@vaporition]

Conclusion "Bungie lied" shocker. If Sony had any play in it, it was data... position/value vs expense & Sony said as a matter of merger conditions, trim the fat. But guaranteed Bungie not only knew, but planned it before the acquisition solidified.

[@Jcs000]

💯 🎯

[@JH4shadow]

My guess is that what happened here might be similar to what happened in my company's last work force reduction. It was entirely based on salary. The higher tier salaries are what got cut. It had nothing to do with performance, just money. This is happening everywhere right now, not just gaming. It sucks.

[@DUKEzors]

Yep, happened to me last week.

[@snake-eyes211]

10 years mark the end of my journey. It’s been a fun ride. I’ve met great people, but just like everything in life it’s time for something new.

[@vii9779]

Been a hell of a ride, and we get to close it with Cayde. I might take a peek at the first episode if my curiosity survives Final Shape, but I feel I can hang my fatebringer up now

[@MandrewTheFrog]

Seeing people who've worked at the company since '99 get laid off just like that definitely has me reevaluating where I'm spending my money. Total dick move to a load of these employees in the interest of short term gain?

[@ooze1982]

All I can hope is that Microsoft and 343 studios take this opportunity and hire some of these people back to revitalize Halo

[@darkbooger]

Given what's been happening with Infinite lately I'd say there's a relatively good chance of Halo being revitalized in the near future.

[@xlbthedemigod5662]

They should at this point to make Halo better again but a man can dream.

[@georgie2844]

I’m sorry to tell you but the halo 3/ reach days are never coming back. Halo is an old dog with no new tricks

[@torvasdh]

I've been looking for an engineering job in the game industry for a **while** now and all these layoffs are making me lose hope :( How long I've been applying and now layoff after layoff is just demoralizing...

[@TotalXPvideos]

If anything you'll have the highest chance, an engineer AND you're new and thus cheap? Prime candidate.

[@elseggs6504]

​@@TotalXPvideosIf theres one thing I've learned its that companies hate Juniors since they'd actually have to bother to show them stuff. They'd much rather hire people who had 5 years of experience and pay them Junior wages.

[@NeoChomik]

I knew it was bad, with the delay. I just now realised how bad it is. Firing Salvatori - a man who never failed to deliver a great soundtrack for the game (even for a crapshoot that was Lightfall) among many other talents, it's chopping off your foot to save a bullet you'd shoot instead.

[@Ironwill_Games]

100% behind you on this one. I was one of those who absolutely left Destiny this year since there's no point on continuing to play the same old same recycled content again and again and still pay for it. To that end, I also share the entirety of your feelings. Either the Final Shape delivers an absolute banger of an Ending or this franchise will die or, in the very least, shelved for focus on other Bungie products. Not very hopeful of that but that's also my take. Thanks for the video!

[@TBONES]

CANCEL PRE ORDERS and stand with the staff who made the game we love. Corporate greed lost amazing talents for Bungie.

[@Lofhaa]

No. I’m still preordering TFS. It’s ride or die for Destiny for me

[@TBONES]

@@Lofhaa You have to be joking? Bungie had just only started taking the first few steps going in the right direction after the major backlash they got all year so far and do this. We as players can only show what we want by our wallets. Corporate greed in the gaming community is out of hand.

[@LSB44446]

Fuck Bungie, game was never the same after Forsaken

[@water3345]

@@Lofhaa bungie loves easily persuaded idiots like you that are unable to think for themselves.

[@IntrusiveThoughts838]

@@TBONESignore the piggy, they unfortunately still remain with bungo to this day

[@ForestWizardLookingForPotion]

Watch everyone completely forget everything the SECOND the next final shape teaser comes out. Just like what happened during the showcase.

[@expressvpn8433]

They went down 45% in revenue after lightfall, players voting with their wallet is WHY this is happening. Management just doesn’t care. Its a catch 22, we show we don’t like something, management laughs with our money and moves on

[@GarrickMerriweather]

While I feel for those who were fired, I in no way, shape, or form feel sorry for Bungie. It's past high time for this community to hold them accountable and stop always trying to blame everything on the "big bad evil publisher". That little voice in my head told me this was all Bungie.

[@bendubose9887]

You have a great talent for putting the community sentiment into words. Very well said.

[@donutwithagun4795]

I am legitimatly suprised that people didnt see the giant red flags when they said that overdelivery is bad we should have been more cautious of bungie since then

[@spazzdineveryway]

It’s a bit overly dramatic and sensationalism of social media. Seriously, Bungie has been going down for a while now. Truth is, Sony is reacting to Activision merger and told Bungie to cut some staff. No one cares when they drop another expansion or DLC. Oh it’s “poor developers” now but when that content drops? “Bungie restores my hope!”. “This new content makes it all worth it”

[@darkomenz794]

Wonder how many will approach Larian Studios, Salvatori would fit right in.

[@alfredoj9791]

by the 10 year mark is where good nostalgic games usually die

[@T0mBr1dg3]

To everyone acting so surprised at how quickly and ruthlessly Bungie went about axing veteran employees, know that they did this before exactly a decade later prior to Destiny’s release. Important people like Joe Staten, in charge of Halo’s story and who wrote Destiny’s original story was axed, Jaime Griesemer who started development on destiny in 2007 got axed and Marty O’ Donnell went under the same chopping block as well. Nothing new for Bungie and it’s a shame that they’ve done it again.

[@NIN_71]

Well said and beautifully delivered Nomad. We love the game, we love the people who work tirelessly day in, day out with little reward because they love the game they’ve created. We hate the corporate leadership team because they’ve literally just shit on the passionate employees that got the game to where it is

[@l5lmgtlink]

I am within that group that genuinely does not care what happens past final shape. I'm here for the conclusion. Once that story wraps up I'm literally out. I finally have an exit on this endless highway. Too many emotional ups and downs. Presented problems and sold solutions. Not here to cry about it. I absolutely hope that final shape is a banger that we can all enjoy. But post that it doesn't matter for me. Come what may.

[@Palayedeuhm]

I’m seeing this news everywhere having been a hardcore destiny player for years and years and it makes me so sad. It’s heartbreaking. Goodbye Micheal Salvatori ❤️

[@OMDolton84]

I always figured Destiny would come to an end one day, but I never thought it would come from Bungie mag-dumping themselves in the foot. To say these events sadden me is a massive understatement, and I can only feel sorry for those who were unceremoniously and unjustly thrown in the bin by greedy arsehats with no regard for others.

[@pm31415]

Congrats on getting to over 100K subscribers. Too bad I noticed on a sad news video, but keep it up

[@somarr505]

Thank you nomad for the info and your perspective.

[@Saint_Wolf_]

I feel like True Vanguard really put into perspective the human side of things, this isn't just lay-offs, these were people who cared for people, for their community. I mean Michael's Salvatori's response was an absolute class act yet if someone deserves to stay is a man who probably was there since before Halo, who stayed for Halo and who, no matter the level of the expansion, gave his all to make the music good. I mean sure LF was bad but goddamn the Raid song with that flame thrower boss, 6 hours to clear it yet I never cared when the percussions began.

[@gaster42]

Yah, I'm one of those people who was around for the start of destiny (as a player, not a dev), and when I first touched down in the tower there was one thought that ran throw my head. "I want to be a dev and make this game for others to enjoy." And now, I regret wanting to work for Bungie (no, I do not work for them, this is a fading dream) just due to what all is happening at there head quarters. I'll be departing from destiny after the light and dark, the final shape. This is when my story comes to an end.

[@roarlisfang2860]

"Hmm... This seems to be familiar." - Marty O'Donnell, probably I hope Salvatori do what Marty did. Take back what he deserves from Bungie. I'm sure there's some lawyers that are willing to help him.

[@ThisIsAHandleOrSomething]

First the Latinx backlash now this. Literally no recovery from this. CEO kept the “right people” and that entails the minimum wage employees so the CEO and Excecs can get a pay raise.

[@adayrodriguez3981]

We will never see the new Map Pack

[@thekemosabe346]

I was going to end it with final shape but after all this I don’t think I want to give bungie a single cent more.

[@cayde7791]

I just wish the community could do something about this along with the devs, the one consistent thing throughout every decision we have seen made in the last 2 years has been about how much more money upper management can make and cutting the jobs of hard working people who truly care for this game and its players is heartbreaking to see

[@Joel-vt8bt]

This suggests a deep malaise at Bungie. Final Shape is clearly well behind schedule, player retention is problematic and revenues are down significantly. In an industry where staff are your main costs, I don’t think they had any other option, horrible as it is for those affected. I just hope they’re not shooting themselves in the foot and making it even more difficult to get Final Shape back on track.

[@lanycera]

Firing THE composer? Of course they had another option, and firing 8% of your staff - some of them being passionate veterans - just before having to nail an expansion is contradictory in itself. Cut Pete's and the exec's annual salary and they could've at least paid half of that staff that got kicked out of the door for another year.

[@deiedwa8913]

Life moves on. It was never going to go on forever. Nothing does. It’s especially unfortunate for the many that depend on Destiny’s success. Even after final shape even if it is a massive success the end will come to Destiny eventually. Appreciate what you have before it’s gone. I’m having a blast with my favorite raid crota’s end. Eyes up guardians.

[@RyanKelbel]

That sign off sums up exactly how i have felt. Well said sir.

[@PressRToZeus]

Destiny 2 as a platform has been heading for the Thermocline of trust and this was a MASSIVE jump towards it. we still don't know if they've reached it yet but my word, post final shape is going to be affected no matter what

[@laeviga-sunstrider]

The entire global economy is shifting in this way. Raising prices, layoffs, removing benefits, reducing features and services, reducing wages/salaries for new hires.

[@SILVEROWLWARRIOR]

This game died with Lance Reddick. The Vanguard is left to stagger aimlessly over the edge of the abyss…

[@shawnmoore6243]

There was most definitely a rhyme and reason, something like this does not happen without an exact rhyme and reason.

[@nomad_specter]

I’ve worked in tech for 11 years now and this is how every merger/restructure/layoff happens. The grace period is over and then the analysis of payroll begins. Then they start cutting. It’s brutal.

[@switch1770]

I don’t think they’re gonna be able to do it because if they do land a really good final shape. Then they’re increasing expectations in the future that they don’t seem to want to meet. So they’re never gonna be able to sustain this game any longer cause it’s gonna be too expensive.

[@kieransmith1796]

This is the first expansion I haven't pre-ordered, and at this stage I may not play at all. As it is, my playtime gets less and less each month, even after having taken a 10 month break after Beyond Light. I will check out next season, but that will probably last a month, then it's another six months of not playing.

[@hellaboveme500]

Tale as old as time sadly. Rough times to be a dev rn. I’ve been job hunting since like april

[@sonantkinkajou6927]

The only other time I’ve felt this sad was when I was watching the sad downfall of Tony Furguson…

[@Muramusa723]

This is even worse now that we know this had nothing at all to do with Sony or the acquisition and was all decisionmaking from Bungie's suits. Just makes all of the already really bad optics on this look even more awful.

[@ItsJaySilva]

> ERROR: 7th Column > Not complete. > Shutting down PROJECT: "PER AUDACIA AD ASTRA". It's sad to see that Destiny 2, a game I fell in love back in 2018, gets shredded in my eyes like this...

[@mozartmelgoza2748]

sounds like that part in old dads movie where they fired everyone over thirty-five.

[@Madcatz9000]

People get laid off all the time it's happens everyday. It's just business. If the people laid off have any talent they will get other jobs. The best revenge would be to get new employment and show them they made a mistake.

[@MattLaChance-hi2ob]

Well said. I was with most players since lightfall, but season of the witch has been slowly and quietly been making me more excited, and lately I’ve found myself getting accidentally optimistic. Almost hype even! But now? Man. It’s like, I can forgive some bad game design decisions, or a slow season, or a hard-to-get exotic that kinda sucks. I might be too forgiving! This hurt me to my core, and I doubt I’ll ever trust the people who run bungie again.

[@lanycera]

I will never understand anyone who've had optimism for the final shape based on a few, very small breadcrumbs we've gotten with season of the witch. Nothing has changed. Bungie hasn't changed. The player retention was/is god awful after Lightfall and so they had to change SOMETHING, so yeah we got a few QoL changes + a slightly better new player experience which is still awful and a decent season which still wasn't as good as Seraph. Just don't preorder and wait what people say.

[@Rios-ov3xi]

My understanding is that they mostly just fired people at bungie who weren’t programmers, including lawyers, community managers, and writers, because their budget is low due to low incredibly poor preorders for lightfall. The numbers being thrown around are 100/1200 employees at bungie fired, or 8%. It’s pretty damn bad. I’m really blown away wit them firing the community managers - literally the face of the company to the community.

[@dmajorray6154]

We need so many more people looking at bungie heads. It is QUITE LITERALLY all their fault, and anyone who says otherwise is either a bot account or people in on this shit show who wanna descredit anyone who thinks its the administrative fault. When it is.

[@SilkyJohnson7]

I feel like Bungie operated much like the way we found out Twitter did under Jack Dorsey. Tons of people on payroll not doing much work, just kinda hanging out. But when it came time to trim the dead weight, Bungie cut the wrong people

[@dudeydude77_clips]

Ironic because “Our end begins” was Lightfall’s main marketing slogan

[@Kvothe3]

I occasionally watch Destiny content because it gave me many great years. But I haven't played in almost two years now. Sad to hear that it's not improving.

[@KLGChaos]

I've barely played in a couple of months. With the gaming space as good as it is right now, I haven't felt the need to dive into the endless grind again. After this news, I may just cancel my Final Shape preorder.

[@Purple_Freedom_Ninja]

It's not random. That's not how business works. Very likely the folks who were laid off was based on how much they make compared to how important their role is valued by Sony/perceived profitability.

[@Mythhammer]

After Light Fall, its obvious what is happening. What if the Final Shape ends up not just delayed, but cancelled? The same Bean Counters that are responsible for these lay offs may decide that the ROI is just not sufficient, and close the project down. What then?

[@multimus133]

NOTE: New Jason Schreier article dropped on Bloomberg suggesting Lightfall and Destiny 2 are projected to miss revenue goals by as much as 45%. Apparently people did vote with their wallets after Lightfall. Honestly considering how much they were ramping up the monetization and alienating their playerbase to the point of damage control via impromptu streams, I wouldn’t be surprised if they are not actually making that much from Destiny.

[@Azenio]

Riding it out for the end. I’ll never buy a PvP Bungie game.

[@dredgendorchadas6770]

Its sad. The group that, i think, needs the vlensing is the managment team who think of nothing but the finances, and yet its the creators who got shafted. My favorite time in destiny was y1 d1, mostly for the fact the world felt mystical and there were some legends. If you saw a exotic, or god knows it dropped for you, it was special. They only did small things, but those events were cool. In y2 and 3 there were some really cool strikes with neat mechanics, but ever since the change to d2 everything feels restricted. The subclass changes were nice, but mechanically the enemies who are above fodder are so restrictive that many years ago i had found new appreciations for simple strikes like the hell pit ogre, the fallen kell on venus, valus taarc, the psion flares, and more. Just a big room with a boss who has one weird gimmick and a few minions, done. No health gates, no orb, no toxic room where you have to enter a specific spot, no special weapons you have to use, no relic that must be used. Also the relics that are used now are SO boring, oh i have a vaiation of the same orb thats been being used for 6 yrs now, wooh. Vs "oh, damn a magical sheild", "oh, cool, a hive knight sword", "oh, cool, a fallen cannon". I know it wont happen, but i wish the final rade would have an amalgamation of different relics that are retreived and carried until the 2nd to last boss where they are all destroyed and, in that final boss moment, there is no BS mechanic, no instant death condition, just a good old no mans land war zone. The kinda thing that was the start of all of it. But we all know its going to end with some penoptese BS.

[@MarcelLeonReal]

Personally for me, i have been a fan from since crotas end, its not going to be a grand player drop off, its going to be a slow and sad decline after final shape

[@xLaniakea_]

I dont know how people can have Final Shape preordered after the seemingly monthly outrage in the community towards Bungie since Lightfall. I hate that "I want to experience the end and be done" opinion when you can look at the different things that people have been rightly mad at since Lightfall that scream red flags.

[@erichall090909]

It doesn’t shock me the firing of most of the community team they know that the game is dying and they already plan to put it on life support after final shape. Don’t need community managers for a dead community

[@dezbro79]

I really enjoyes playing Destiny. One of the greatest I've ever played. Stopped playing a few months ago, glad I did. So many other good games out there I've been missing out on. Would be nice if Bungie made more games.

[@iamsuperman10]

I've been a Guardian since the D1 Beta, so many years ago. My enthusiasm for the game has not changed in all that time, I've always felt certain that I would stand by Bungie and support them because of the world they created. Did so in D1 during the long droughts between content. Did so in D2 similarly. Sure there were periods where I slowed down how much time I played, sometimes real life pulls you away from doing the things you enjoy. And at certain points I've been happy with Bungie and their stewardship of this universe that we so enjoy, sometimes I've been disappointed or even angry at the choices they make. But I've never been sickened. And what they're doing now is exactly that, sickening. The company that warned other developers about "overdelivering" has shown their true colors after flying a false flag for almost a decade. But the truth will always out. I'm done. My Guardian has suffered many deaths over the past decade, but it wasn't an enemy that dealt the final blow that lead to true death. It was worse than that. It was the one you thought you could trust. I hope others wise up to that before they too find themselves the next in line. Turns out, the real "Destiny killer" has never been another game competing against them, or a competing studio. It's been Bungie the entire time. Good luck to you all. I won't be making it through the portal in the Traveler to finally end the Witness. No story is worth supporting if the cost is what we are witnessing play out in front of our eyes.

[@Kentru43]

Lightfall was the beginning of the end, but not the way we expected. Whatever is going on in the heads of management is something else

[@seeker_rodan3113]

Personally they lost me for a long time, And I actually started to miss it recently. But right when I heard the news that Michael was gone I was 100% over it and I uninstalled. I'm only a little grateful for the memories that I got, but all the merchandise that I have accumulated over the years I don't even want to look at. I think this is what heartbreak is

[@vaylon1701]

What Bungie did yesterday was just low down and dirty. As the financials come in, it gets even worse. Most of the layoffs were done to not have to pay an extra month of insurance on them, and from people who were close to being fully vested shortly. Bungie gets all those shares back now. Bungie just seems to be a dirty company.

[@ziolan8970]

Honestly if final shape isn't unequivocally the best piece of content of 2024 on all fronts they could see everything fall apart. I mean firing a bunch of their most well known employees right before the end of the month and the holidays, and doing so before a lot of their employees see their company shares realized? That's some shady business.

[@expressvpn8433]

It should fall apart this week but too many people are too addicted

[@albertlim9903]

Hopefully things will get better, not playing another game this few years just playing destiny only

[@pauldsinyard]

I'm absolutely heartbroken. I Stuck with bungie through the low lows and the high highs. Mainly because they treated their devs well and went to bat for them. Now they don't have that safety net from me. I have canceled my pre order for the final shape and deleted destiny 2 off my machine I have tens of thousands of hours combined on destiny. I feel more than upset. I feel betrayed by a friend.

[@iRoppa]

Can't help thinking the delay is to pad out Sony's 24-25 fiscal year. And the Silvatori sacking really pissed me off!

[@mick8526]

45% down on financials, the debacle of an entire dlc being nothing more than a strand montage...player count is LOW, I get we are at the end of a season BUT its still low. That "don't over deliver" bs management goes by seems to be the reason their finances are screwed but they will never admit it

[@KaijuAlert]

"I want to continue to hold Bungie's feet to the fire" AKA "I want to continue to cynically pocket ad revune while complaining about a game I don't like"

[@MrPumaralant]

It's a game that has maintained a permanent frustration. A casino universe that relies on a wonky story with layers of improvisation upon layers of improvisation. It took me 2000 hours to get out and I ain't coming back. We always say, it's just needs something to make it good and we are waiting for that thing to come for 10 years now and it's not coming. Shit start, shit end.

[@abaddonwolffe8652]

Lol im so glad i did not pre order final shape. I'll wait for the reviews to see if it's worth $100.

[@adamstuart4522]

When an acquisition happens the buying company can't make any major changes for the first year these lay offs also happened at naughty dog another sony acquisition

[@kwiekadrian4]

For me it was enough. Price increases in the season of the deep, that's where I left. I'm not planning on going back, unless the final shape will be great. I'm gonna buy it regardless, I want to see the end of the journey for my guardian, but for now my sentiment is that it's gonna be it. Nothing more to look forward to.

[@Pumpkin_4122]

I can't believe this, I am actually pissed. His music is my life, my soul, my destiny. This is unbelievable and he was really the only reason I even cared about this game and halo. Like do they not realize how impactful music is to a game? It's what keeps people nostalgic about the times as well as the memories they made with their friends. I'll never forget the destiny 1 opening theme after sitting down with my dad on the couch 10 years ago to play the beta with him. I've literally grown up with this game and his music, so this really might stop me from playing the game after the final shape. I can't believe the man's music I've been wanting to hear live and have gotten through many hard times listening to the Destiny 1 themes. I really hope they do something about this but to be honest if I was in his situation I wouldn't even want to go back after being fired by them.

[@squirts1]

You people are so out of touch with reality... I mean... he was expensive. The company is losing money... and the "final" destiny expansion is coming. You really hope they do what? about what? That statement doesn't even make sense... They already did something. They laid off staff so the company doesn't go bankrupt. It is what it is. Furthermore... The game is ending "after the final shape." It's literally in the name. So... I hope you DO stop playing after. Honestly, it's so ridiculous how people react to this sort of thing. It happens all the time, every day, in every industry. Companies can't just keep people on payroll for "nostalgia" while going bankrupt.

[@thedirty530]

The writing seems to be on the wall....

[@bigmaan7855]

Ive put my soul into this franchise for the past 8 years. This one hit hard. It sucks for the devs who are actually passionate for the game. The higher ups are the ones screwing with everything. Im going to hold out until final shape, but this actually sucks not just for the playerbase, but for the devs.

[@raevenent751]

I'm currently just riding it out until TFS and then I'm out, but if things take a turn for the better? I'll stick around. And yeah, Destiny can't afford another Lightfall situation imo. If TFS is another Lightfall situation? Hoo boy.

[@knowingjake]

As someone who stopped playing early in Season of the Deep? It's amazing on the other side of the fence. I'm saving so much money, I'm experiencing so many other amazing games, I'm not nips deep in drama and controversy, I'm not drinking as much hard alcohol. Would recommend 10/10.

[@CrimsonSteelMoonTheWolf64]

Didn't sony say there would be no layoffs and spent 1.2 billion in employee retention? Goes to show when a company promises no lay offs its a big asterisk ("*"). Was this done on bungies level or was it highet up the chain?

[@Mwblodgett89]

The fact they did layoffs in this matter shows how tone deaf the upper management is. They obviously are not the old school bungie we all loved. They just care about the bottom line and filling pockets. Are they really that ignorant that they didn’t think they would have huge backlash from this ?

[@Kuhmodo]

I'm really wondering if I'm going to buy TFS now. I feel like this is a legitimate reason to jump off the wagon because this will DEFINITELY be a different and probably poorer quality game now. I don't know..... Bungie definitely can't afford this anti-marketing/ barely giving any information like previous years. That was built on trust, and it's basically all gone now.

[@ZainHacker]

It's pretty sad to see imo, I love the game and its community, I've made lifelong friends through the game and I've also seen them move away from the game as the game moved towards lightfall. As of now I'm riding it out and hoping for something that moved me as much as Forsaken did. My thoughts and prayers go out to everyone who was dropped and hope they find a company who values them as much as the community once valued bungie

[@omensoffate]

I hope it is.

[@scrubclub7138]

I feel like they are doing this to finish Destiny 2 and and move on with Marathon.

[@benarchyuk837]

First Marty O'Donnel and now Michael Salvadori. The OG Bungie musical artists, now dust & echoes

[@Energumenus]

Imo they should have focused on getting right the franchise that makes all their revenue rather than trying to branch into other IPs, because as old and buggy as rhis game is it won't make money forever. We should have been seeing a Destiny 3 before there were even talks about Marathon or anything else they're working on.

[@GuadalupeF.Arredondo]

They laid off who ever had more benefits, or equity with the company, and they did it a day before the end of the month so the benefits would last a little over two months when they were supposed to have three. I’m not sure on the details

[@levifike205]

As someone who's played since taken king non stop even through curse of Osiris, with hit after hit since they sunset everything I was fine with the delay of the next dlc hoping they would add another 30th anniversary but now firing at least three of the biggest names in game development like Michael Salvatori, Lorraine Mclees, and liana Rupert, it leaves me just questioning if I should even care anymore. They got rid of the people who made destiny what it is.