This Mini PC Has The Most Powerful 890M iGPU Ryzen Ai 9 HX 370 First Look

[@RobloxianX]

Since its an iGPU, faster ram plays a very important part. We already saw that in the 780M, 8600MT/s had up to a 30% FPS boost in avg and 1% lows over 4800MT/s when tested on desktop in games

[@najeebshah.]

6000mhz but tuned was just as fast as a 7800mhz one

[@RobloxianX]

@@najeebshah. It's due to AMD's 1:1 ratio for infinity fabric. But going beyond 8000 is better than 6000, 7000 is just a valley of latency. This is more important for upcoming Intel Xe2 iGPUs, which don't use chiplet designs.

[@zareek76]

@@RobloxianX While that would seemingly make sense, all the chips with 780m are monolithic chips and these are as well, no chiplets involved, not even tiles like new Intel mobile chips. The Xe2 iGPUs will be interesting, no doubt.

[@smartcucumber7559]

going over 6000MT/s isn't worth it

[@RobloxianX]

@@smartcucumber7559 It is, up to 40% performance gains for 8000 over 6000 in most benchmarks

[@RetroCrisis]

THIS is what I've been waiting to see a review on. I'm so excited for the 890m

[@contenez7097]

no thunderbolt 5 no ram no oculink sounds like another episode of trying to convince you to use your old stuff u already own

[@najeebshah.]

This is mot a review lolits a trash ad

[@ShadowFandub]

@@contenez7097 thunderbolt 5 = intel tecnology ram? camm2? yes. oculink? not necessary.

[@wantedyou2346]

​@@najeebshah.Youneedtogotoschoolandstudygrammar

[@StevenBabyar]

Looks sweet to me...

[@jamesgarrett3000]

Wow, I thought this was going to take a LOT longer to hit mini PCs.

[@alandiegovillalobos]

What a pleasant surprise!

[@perjohanaxell9862]

​@@alandiegovillalobosindeed! I hoped it would be quick but didn't expect it.

[@mannyw_]

Still have to wait 2.5 months to actually buy it

[@hugevibez]

Shame about the soldered ram on this chip

[@daveweinstein5044]

@@hugevibez Do you really ever change the RAM once you've set up the system? By the time the next big thing comes out, the RAM as advanced has well as the processor, so you get new RAM anyway.

[@PadPoet]

Thanks for the review, looks like a very powerful little box. Something to note: At 4:12 you are running 272 processes and 4600+ threads. If someone carefully tunes their system you can get to around 100 processes and around 1500-2000 threads. It makes a massive difference believe it or not with game performance. Especially with the 0.1% and 1% lows and overall latency. On my Windows 10 machines I usually have 75 processes upon booting into the system and on my Windows 11 machines around a 100. There are many online and YT guides on this like Chris Titus script, Fr33thy, etc. Just something I thought a lot of people would find useful, especially with these machines.

[@robertlawrence9000]

It's cool that these mini PCs are coming. I just hope they are reasonably priced. With no screen, no discrete gpu, no keyboard, no controller and no battery, these should actually be significantly cheaper than handhelds and laptops with the same specs. Very barebones.

[@warriorplutotrent3827]

Lol wishful thinking. They are already expensive. Especially if you build one yourself. The parts can be high.

[@TheRanscat]

They aren't much cheaper, unfortunately since they are produced by far smaller companies in far smaller quantities they are similar in price to laptops with the same components unless they have a deep discount.

[@josephgagui3437]

These are much expensive than buying a rx 6600 which gives better fps

[@Noisy_Cricket]

​@@TheRanscatthat's the sad thing. These should absolutely replace a desktop computer for like 90%+ of people. Very few people actually need the insane amount of power we can cram into a full scale desktop computer these days. These mini PCs would be perfect for the vast, vast majority of office work, for example.

[@TheRanscat]

@Noisy_Cricket they do come down in price. I've seen multiple models with the 5600H around 200 bucks, but they'd need to become far more mainstream for models with newer processors to be cheaper from the start.

[@moisesdamasmascote3911]

Wow, RDNA seems to keep developing well.

[@5lipperysausage]

too bad they are unifying

[@pawshmel]

@@5lipperysausage maybe that's a good thing

[@InGrease]

Incoming 100+ mini pc video with new Ryzen processor from ETA Prime for the whole year

[@marcuzhightechfreaks]

yep xddd

[@BMT2001]

I am really hoping at least! Please let them be a dime a dozen from all the competition, lol...

[@chinchin743]

with all of them title "the most powerful mini PC xxx"

[@tendosingh5682]

@@chinchin743 Exactly. Its all paid for so never a bad anything.

[@G.K.B.]

Good. You can choose a mini-PC for upgrade, by quality and availability.

[@jcarman]

This is awesome to see this fast! Even better with multiple different RAM options/speeds. One typo in the spec screen you have "uptown" instead of "up to". Great to see this in a mini PC (even if it's a beta) already, thanks for the review!

[@daveweinstein5044]

ummm... wait for the deluge. everyone and their sister will be offering Strix Point NUCs.

[@CommandoPootis]

Disappointed that half of the tests were done with frame gen on, gives a pretty disingenuous result. Would like to see what actual performance it would get without fake frames that a lot of people will never use due to the input latency they introduce.

[@someusername1872]

I feel like ETA has no idea how FG works and is just enabling it because it makes the FPS number go up on paper without taking into consideration how it actually looks/feels in motion compared to no FG. AMD has literally said themselves that FSR 3 FG is designed to interpolate up FROM 60fps, not up TO 60fps, so I have no doubts that the games in this video reaching 60fps with FG look awful in motion. I've seen way too many reviewers do this with FG technologies and it doesn't accurately represent what they're truly capable of at all

[@dootpls]

@@someusername1872 If you're watching this video, or any of these for that matter you should know these things. Not to mention these are mini pc's and he's showcasing how far they can go. If you want raw performance then go to a gaming benchmark channel

[@pwhv]

@@someusername1872 agree

[@aWILD32hasappeared]

Finally! The Radeon 890M on a mini PC!

[@molsen7549]

I get FSR, but can we please not enable frame gen and say it's reaching 60+ fps? This is not the ideal use case for that technology.

[@Anothernerdyloser314]

I don't even think FSR should be used. FSR and frame gen tell us nothing about the actual performance of the hardware and should never be used for benchmarking unless the benchmark is specifically regarding upscaling tech.

[@Jantcha]

@@Anothernerdyloser314 Ah, I see you have yet to realize that ETA Prime is not a benchmarking channel at all. This channel is mostly just ads for Chinese mini PC manufacturers etc. And because of that he always tries to make them look as good as possible, like in this video with FSR and frame gen. Because of these practices many have called him a shill, deservedly so.

[@MechAdv]

@@Anothernerdyloser314Shilling accusations aside, it makes sense to showcase the performance that can be experienced using all the available tech to get the best playable results with the hardware. This is a PC that will likely cost 500$ bare bones, or 700$ with ram and storage specced out. Expectations need to be managed. If he was reviewing the APU in a strict data collection capacity like GN or HUB, then I agree 100%. This channel is more of a “I try before you buy” kind of channel. I appreciate it because it keeps me informed about the development of Ryzen APUs. I’m probably one generation away from upgrading my laptop to one of these, so I like to see the IGPU real world performance expectations.

[@fillerbunnyninjashark271]

FSR is great for small screens. Free up hardware for more battery life. Frame Gen is the devil though... Who in their right mind wants to increase latency... No different than black frame insertion

[@jomsies]

@@Anothernerdyloser314eh. i want fsr benchmarks. they're valuable info for people wanting to game on an igpu.

[@TitelSinistrel]

idle power consumption and noise would have been very interesting on this. For a on deskPC would be good to know if the fan gets loud, and for those people that want to run them as mini servers idle power would also be very interesting. Looks very good, have been waiting for the zen5 boxes to come out to replace an old tower desktop for in home server duties.

[@richarddukard8989]

The price should be around $500

[@markbernhardt6281]

Should be but I'm expecting 800+

[@LukewarmEnthusiast]

"should" being the operative word there

[@MrFrankieMatarrese]

Of the barebones model or with ram and storage? You can't even get a decent fully built 7840hs mini pc for that and this is a huge jump in performance.

[@pd1426]

I wanna be the very best Like no one ever was To buy them is my real test To optimize them is my cause I will travel across the land Searching far and wide Teach mini PC enthusiasts to understand The power that's inside (Mini PCs Gotta buy 'em all) It's miniaturized PC hardware and me I know it's my destiny (Mini PCs) Oh, you're my best pc In a world we must compute (Mini PCs Gotta buy 'em all) A heart so true Our courage will pull us through You minimalistic me and I'll overclock you (Ooh, ooh) Mini PCs(Gotta buy 'em all) Gotta buy 'em all Yeah cuz ETA tells me

[@storm9k]

LMAO!!! I remember watching pokemon when I was younger, great times

[@miramarensis]

Charging more than $650 for a Mini PC with this SoC would be ridiculous because for less than $1,000 Dell and Alienware offer laptops with tremendous more graphical power (discrete RTX 4060) than this. Remember a Mini PC doesn't come with a screen, a keyboard, etc. I'd say $650 tops for a mini with the Ryzen Ai 9 HX 370.

[@sicko990]

330$tops

[@Aggrofool]

Where do you find these $1000 laptops

[@GM-xk1nw]

@@miramarensis yeah this is a scam

[@trenidadzambrano6851]

Lol 330 are you kidding 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@bandito241]

I never understood why these type of PCs are so expensive. We’re talking about laptop CPUs with soldered RAM. They should be cheaper than desktop PCs by default. I don’t care how small it is, it’s not that powerful in comparison.

[@MechAdv]

Can’t wait for the 120W Strix Halo version of these. If they can keep the price down to 1000$ with that mega APU, then I think we’ll see a renaissance of excitement in the PC gaming space.

[@Uomodargilla]

Are you joking? A 8845hs with 32gb and 1to cost $550 to $600 (gmktec, beelink).. $1000 for a HX 370 would be a scam

[@MechAdv]

@@Uomodargilla Strix Halo is a massive APU that is going to be very expensive. I’m talking about the configuration that will have 40 RDNA4 CUs, effectively making it a 60 series GPU and Ryzen 9 series CPU in one chip. If you think that’s gonna be cheaper than 1000$ integrated into a system, you’re not well informed.

[@damianramirez9788]

So you mean like a Ryzen 9700G or Ryzen 9945HX... Or Ryzen HX470?

[@MechAdv]

@@damianramirez9788 No idea what the AMD marketing team will call it, nor do we know whether it will be socketable into AM5 or strictly soldered on board. But yeah if it was like a 9900G on AM5 with all that GPU power in a standard ITX form factor? That would be awesome for budget gamers. I don’t think that’s the case though.

[@aldovino4017]

Can’t wait for the beelink one!

[@tomaszwaszka3394]

SER9 or something like that... (have SER7)

[@Mageoftheyear]

I'd like to see the benchmarks ran at 1080p medium across all titles without and resolution scaling, FSR or frame-gen. I know these things are are all very useful tools, but they make comparisons to other options impossible. I'm not asking for the focus of this channel to change, but maybe it's an additional video you could do when the mini-pc releases. Thanks.

[@mrchico2621]

100%. He won't do it though, seems like he's obliged to showcase the hardware running all games at higher framerates.

[@whitefang2334]

Would be interesting to see how far this can go without using the fancy extra features. No FSR, no Frame Gen, just raw power gaming.

[@_TrueDesire_]

Look at desktop 7600 and expect 40% of it

[@gortys3929]

Base model with 16gb and 1tb ssd for 399$ would be an attracive price. 32gb for 499$ and 64gb for 599$.

[@daveweinstein5044]

Ummm... I think that's too much of a jump for the extra memory. More like scrap the 16GB configuration and offer the 32GB configuration for between $400-450, and the 64GB version for $450-500. Remember this is soldered on RAM, so a LOT of middlemen have been cut out of the supply chain for the memory. Of course the LISTED prices will be a LOT higher, with the company looking for any excuse to have a sales event for offer "limited time" discounts. Personally, I'm looking forward to the Arbor Day sale (April, so not for this one) and James K. Polk's birthday sale (Nov 2nd, so kinda well timed for this release and Black Friday, too) 😉

[@Zeaiclies]

96gb DDR5 RAM (2X 48gb) 4tb SSD M.2 Nvme or two (2tb 2230's) And she's Crisp and Golden. lol

[@thedoublep434]

The maximum I would pay for a mini PC would be around $500. This is because it wouldn't be my main PC, instead I'd use it as a home server, AI would be a good addition to keep it future proof as it might come in handy when using it as a self contained AI assistant for the house. The thing is that people who want power would go for a normal PC, a decent gaming PC could be built for around 1k$, the steam deck is a great affordable PC that is powerful enough to do gaming, so I think the sweet spot for these machines is somewhere in between, so they can be more powerful than a steamdeck but cheaper than a PC. The Ayaneo AM02 looks so much better though, so for this one to be worth considering for me it would need to be more power efficient and cheaper

[@garyh420]

@@thedoublep434 Was going to say the say thing, $500 maximum

[@bandito241]

The Steam deck and ROG Ally do the same for the similar price point 😂 And they’re actually portable.

[@TheTiredhermit]

I just want one for the hub and editing

[@TheTiredhermit]

@@bandito241why would a grown man need to play video games out in public?

[@aznhomig]

The "AI" in the name of the processor is pure buzzword. You ain't gonna be running any LLMs on this locally any time soon.

[@valhakun]

This thing could get me back into Windows gaming. Love the size/performance ratio at this power consumption level.

[@Mario_Kart_567]

Wow that's a wonderful piece of hardware. I'll get it as soon as the stable version is out. 😎

[@enigmarocker]

$600 for this PC will likely beat the comparable Beelink that releases. @ETA Prime, I would love to see what it takes for you to get some of these AAA games to play at medium settings, such as running at 720p or simply what will the frame-rate fall down to. Im not stuck on 60fps, so much Im curious if you can please show that in future videos. Im also going to use this miniPC for local-Ai, so I would like to see whats the max ram I can assign to this GPU. Great video, as always! Thank you!

[@BroHazeman]

Loved this SOC/APU/IGPU inside coming ROG Ally 2 & Legion Go 2 ❤🤤👍

[@Nobe_Oddy]

I am ABSOLUTELY interested in this AWESOME MACHINE!!! and I think $700 for the Ryzen 9 with 64 is a good price :)

[@dgillies5420]

Don't get your hopes up that memory probably costs $300+ all by itself. Maybe $800/64GB.

[@dgillies5420]

I saw some benchmarks among 780m, 880m, 890m. They suggested that 880m was MORE THAN half of the total 890m improvement, i e 3% higher clocks and RDNA3. 5 are the main thing, producing 10%+ speedup. The extra CUs of the 890m mostly get wasted by memory bus bottlenecks (< 10% additional speedup). My 365 laptop arrives today ...

[@SweetPeaDBBMeMe]

This is surely on my radar. AMD iGPU is in my current small form factor build. I'm looking to upgrade to a Mini PC after the new year. Thanks for this review.

[@J.Wick.]

Can't wait to see these chips in New stuff from onexplayer, gpd, legion, rog, etc. The benchmark of forbidden West speaks volumes about the gains from this new chip

[@saxxonpike]

Soyo is a name I haven't heard in a long time. No chance it's the same folks that made the SY-K7VTA board that runs in the retro box. Still, very excited to see these hit the market. I've been wanting a mini PC with 890M.

[@drewnewby]

Soyo went bankrupt 15 years ago. Sold the name and assets, now it's all budget Chinese market components out of Shenzhen.

[@gullintanni]

This is the one. I am a digital nomad living in small apartments and this chip is perfect for me. I might wait for a mini with oculus port though.

[@bamcorpgaming5954]

once this gpu is in handhelds, using a handheld full time will legitimately be a reasonable thing

[@DManLewis1]

is that actually possible?

[@bamcorpgaming5954]

@@DManLewis1 I mean you kind of can now. I put windows in my steam deck and hooked up a monitor and kbm to it for my kids to game on. It works but the performance isn't anywhere near this level.

[@Uberragen21]

Games will continue to evolve as hardware improves. It's a never-ending back & forth. I have a handheld with the 780M and it's pretty good at 1080p. The fans are spinning at max on most games, so don't expect good battery life when you're unplugged.

[@roqeyt3566]

​@@DManLewis1 I used my stock steam deck as a desktop for a while, 0 issues there. And that's even considering the woeful and sluggish steam deck CPU Definitely possible, even preferable with linux imo

[@lyndongaming]

@@Uberragen21 80wh should be standard, rog ally x has good batt life. hope steam deck 2 has a 80wh battery

[@rolandleyco573]

500$-600$ is the sweet spot, this would be great for workstation PC or office PCs

[@RocorenMSI]

Didn't expect for this Igpu to hit the mini pc market so soon. considering the previous model i would expect a 400$ for a barebone model and up to 850$ for a 64 gb ram + 1/2tb ssd. once the prototype becomes stable I would seriously consider buy this little beast.

[@MrSkeptikos]

I would love to get a handful of them with 64GB each to make a cost-effective computer cluster for scientific computations. The power efficiency of this CPU is great. At work, they have a bunch of Xeon-based machines for that. Each core costs about $200 and draws like 10-12 watts. At $500-$700 these machines would cost about $50 per core, and draw less than 5W/core. Of course, they are memory bandwidth, and they have no ECC, but for academic projects they are yummy!

[@4evrplan]

I think mini PCs are generally overpriced. I think something like this with no discreet GPU, no monitor, no keyboard mouse or trackpad, and no speakers should be $400-$500 max, but I suspect it will be twice that. I guess people are willing to pay it, but I'm not their target market.

[@daveweinstein5044]

Not all vendors are overpricing. There are a few that mostly sell direct that are very price competitive. And some of them (like Minisforum) are not only aggressive on price, but are quite forward looking and have excellent build quality as well. But you are correct, some companies (and resellers) do charge too much. It behooves us to shop around for the best options.

[@MrMackievelli]

How much does a stand alone ryzen 12 core processor cost? You are wanting a pc that has a processor as powerful as a desktop and it comes with its own motherboard, ram, storage and igpu for the same price as a single desktop cpu. GTFO.

[@xellaz]

Impressive iGPU performance! I own a Minisforum UM790 Pro running openSUSE Tumbleweed with Wayland. It's a beast of a machine and I'm able to run my favorite android games via Waydroid! 😎

[@alphaomega154]

this can be a quick look to have an idea of how the 890m would perform in the yet to be released 9000G SKU for the AM5 socket. which could be a choice for mini PC like minisforum MS-A1. price point for that prototype (i dont know who's that is, minisforum?) should be around the same to the UM890 pro or the geekom A8. because it would be technically an "upgrade" prices shouldnt keep going up, instead the former releases should go down in price.

[@RobloxianX]

Now this, this is the Mini PC we have been waiting for.

[@ytn00b3]

I'll wait for this same processor from different vendors. Good to see Mini PC is becoming more powerful.

[@raffitchakmakjian]

pretty impressive. I, for one, wouldn't mind playing at 30 fps with higher resolution/higher detail and steady framepacing. This looks very promising.

[@deathcall6663]

Damn, that looks neat, its extremely small and it utilizes the space very efficiently. If they iron out those issues it will be a killer, definitely.

[@jeffrey1296-rl1mi]

Lowkey 50/50 on it! I would LOVE an emu machine for the go

[@1MoreMisterE]

I like the option of having the mini PC pre-populated and not populated so that we can populate with mem and storage that allows for higher performance down the road.

[@GroundCap]

Halo Strix will be crazy

[@dave3k]

What kind of uplift in performance will it bring?

[@KarrasBastomi]

@@dave3k 16c Zen5 with 40CU RDNA3.5 on par with 9950X on 65W and RTX4060. Probably.

[@dave3k]

@@KarrasBastomi Ah nice, will be pretty sweet to have a portable gaming pc that I can take with me on trips.

[@Saif0412]

​@@KarrasBastomi 40cu is going to mad, that's more power than a PS5, hope the memory bandwidth gets a massive bump as well to keep up the CU's.

[@danielrdotcom]

@@Saif0412 I hope some manufacturer figures out the thermals to make strix halo viable in a handheld

[@LSR-YT21]

I think fair price should be between $300-600 Depending on specs. Anything over $500 for me personally though would be a bit much for a mini pc

[@lupolinar]

This thing will be close to 1000 and with the fixed RAM, it is just funky junk.

[@Lilithe]

I want a laptop based on this chipset TBH. With enough fast RAM it would do the things I need it to do.

[@ChillBuilds]

Love that Uptown 2900MHz

[@RafalLewczuk-g6m]

Version with 64GB LPDDR4@7500 would be interesting for experimenting with running quite large LLMs on it - possibly a bit slow but without VRAM limitations that consumer GPUs have (note that LLMs are sensitive to memory speed, so 7500). So such version should be availabe even if a bit more expensive. Also, having three NVMe slots inside it begs for including an Oculink adapter for one of those slots (and hole in the case for port) - similar solution Minisforum provides for some of their mini PCs.

[@MasterMMM703]

Can't wait for this in handheld format

[@imglidinhere]

I am so excited for this unit dude, I cannot overstate that. THANK YOU for the reviews you do. :D I am pretty sure, unfortunately, that AMD stated this system does not support SODIMM memory. :C I am hopeful that CAMM2 gets adopted tho!

[@Ren07443]

Can't wait for 980M

[@wertywerrtyson5529]

I just got a 780M device the ROG ally. This 890M looks very impressive for an iGPU.

[@carsonlau6540]

Can't wait to see this in handhelds. Imagine this chip running on a handheld with a 720p OLED display, it's gonna be glorious.

[@albertac6998]

I suggest FFXVI Demo to be added to your test games.

[@ehs03y3ol]

This game is so taxing that it has no sense for ETA PRIME as it will undersell his Aliexpress afiliate computers.

[@allthings3d]

Great Review! This is a production prototype I believe and AMD is not expected to release this APU until the end of the year for miniPCs and many are wondering how this company will have this one available in October. In any case I am hoping to see variant of the “Venus” (UMx90) & “Mercury” (EMx80) series from Minisforum for the magnetically attached 98Wh & 196Wh power modules that you stack under your MiniPC (I call it the “Tower of Power.” It will have a USBc PD output and 5mm/2.5mm 19vdc power coax receptacle input/output along with a 150W or 120W 19VDC power brick for charging. It will include a Windows or Linux ‘Battery’ USB connection software. I have been working with a 162Wh version for about a year that has held up nicely. I would be happy to send you production prototype ‘ETA Prime’. I am trying to keep the cost below $200 and make the battery pack module user replaceable.

[@jeremy__hopkins]

Neat, and nice with FSR on a dedicated graphics card. This could be useful as an always on mini Steam sever/streaming box for an Android handheld. Not sure about pricing and while neat, it's probably not for me at this time. Wish them best of luck with the crowdfunding. I really hope one of these companies partners with GOG for a mini PC or a handheld eventually.

[@anarex0929]

External mGPUs are coming out with 4x pci dedicated connection running at 100watts. Will bump you up to 1440p high quality. With 8-12GB of vram. They're small enough to fit in your pocket. So if you want to game, get a deck or handle with a egpu connection port.

[@easythen]

integrated graphics have come a LONG way, this is absolutely insame!!

[@rigoric]

Would love to have Productivity Benchmarks on this machine, this is what i might opt to use in my workshop. Maybe it would do wonders in CAD programs.

[@BillBroadley]

Looks very nice, hopefully they follow this up with a Strix Halo version with two LPCAMM2 slots. I know it will be more expensive, but should be pretty amazing for a SFF.

[@ezekielezekiel9944]

I think that barebone variants in the beginning would be a good shoot for new 890m models, like for example some mini pc with 780m chip, as it would be perfect solution for customers, giving a essential new chip but also give a freedom of upgrade and additional spending depending on user budget. Something likes Minisforum done. For barebone 890m I would pay £600 right now.

[@brigandian]

Can't wait to see this chip in a handheld!

[@WilliamGacquer]

Thanks. Now I want it. You got me.

[@ceegii63]

cant wait for the Strix Halo

[@DrummClem]

I am amazed how good these integrated GPU are now. I used my 5700G for a while. I thought it was fine as long as I was reasonable, but now, anythying can run on these !

[@marcgtsr]

How is the noise? Would be great to detail this aspect in all these reviews of minipcs

[@Mourning-Sun]

The lack of user replaceable RAM really makes this a non-starter for me. Need to see this chip running some high end emulation.

[@kerajit]

Honestly I prefer it this way, sodimm is slower and that iGPU is starved for bandwidth. I know there is LPCAMM2 but it is so obscure right now that I honestly prefer soldered ram (it they will go with 7500MHz, if they will go with 6400MHz I may go with sodimm)

[@Mourning-Sun]

@@kerajit The biggest issue I have with it is failure and being forced over a barrel for capacity upgrades.

[@kerajit]

@@Mourning-Sun sure, I understand that, and it is a concern. But for me personally, I prefer to spend a bit extra and get 15% more performance. But yeah, I hope there will be other mini PCs with SO-DIMM.

[@pedgarage]

Why? How often do you upgrade your ram? Buy the 32gb version and by the time it will not be enough anymore it will be time to upgrade the whole unit. Never heard about Ram failures either.

[@Spyke_misc]

@@pedgarage Yeah when they offer a lot of ram on an ok budget, i am fine with it soldered, but ideally yes, lpcamm would be used

[@csly2719]

cudos fir dropping this! I wasnt expecting 890M in sff so early! atm i think they are outsold to more expensive laptop manufacturers but next year q2 or so i would like to see them barebones sff at 700 usd. Am i too optimistic? Also pumped for stx halo … imagine more than 2x cus 🥵 modern sff should also handle cooling double the tdp

[@ytuser2093]

Great vid 👍🏻

[@miramarensis]

I can't wait to get one with the 370.

[@lemagreengreen]

That's a hell of a chip. Will we see it in laptops?

[@habs798693]

Can you do a video comparing the 890M IGPU to the 780M and the budget GPUs some of the larger mini pcs's uses, like the 6600M, 7600M, and 4060?

[@joaozinho577]

im not up to a mini pc with this, even though i loved it. but im def up to a handheld pc with it, ill buy first one in 3 months, and i hope a strix point handheld comes to the market by then.

[@anthonyabrajano3766]

Powerfull yet compact, Hopefully I'll be able to get 1

[@_iczyzy]

Wow, thats a RTX 2050 score on the Time Spy. Really impressive.

[@jburt56]

The problem with non-upgradable RAM is that if the RAM goes bad the PC is bricked. That should be a deal breaker.

[@xBruceLee88x]

Ah yes, that Firestrike score... IT'S OVER 9000!!! 😅

[@JohnnyOrgan]

That's a REALLY impressive 65w chip. I'm not a fan of frame gen but I'd be happy at 1080/30fps for something like RDR2 on a tiny machine/handheld/laptop.

[@no-barknoonan1335]

Niche product, but a cool one to see. If you can spare even a little bit more desk space, I recommend building a SFF system instead. For the price this thing costs, you can build a system that is still small, but leagues more powerful. I have one using a 4060LP, I was able to bolt it behind my monitor out of sight. Not to mention it uses discrete parts, meaning it can be upgraded and parts can be sold, so further savings down the line.

[@cfeid]

In case they are open to suggestions, DisplayPort and 3.5mm jack would be very welcome

[@jamesm.2322]

Pricing, since it was asked from reddit. Right now you can get a barebones MiniPC from GMK (M5 Pro, has dual 2.5GE) with a 5700U for 219. Adding 2x32GB DDR4 is ~109, then whatever two NVMe drives you want (2TB is around 110/each right now). That puts that older APU SKU build at around 328USD before storage considerations. Since this new prototype has soldered memory but comes with three NVMe slots I would say the OEM should price shift the difference from the 5700U(ram only) -> AI370 from a tray BGA cost to them. Personally if this new unit had dual 2.5G or even 5G networking I would drop 499-549/each on a pair of them. But the OEM needs to also consider the handheld market in their pricing. There is no screen on this mini PC, with the likes of the steamdeck, the Ally Extreme and the Ally X, Legion GO, ..etc its going to be hard to justfy a miniPC against those given the flexibility. Having an ally extreme myself I have no real desire to get a AI370 or anything from the up coming APU gen to replace it. I suggest the OEM to consider what I said about dual Ethernet, maybe linking up with Servethehome as a market segment for homelab and SMB reviews too. Interesting little boxes!

[@fluffyfloof9267]

I'm currently running a Minisforum UM780 XTX - 7840HX w/ Radeon 780M. I've got 32 gigs of 5600 MT/s RAM. The much faster RAM of this prototype certainly helps - 32 gigs is my personal minimum. Also, it's got 4 more CUs, and half a generation better RDNA (i've heard somewhere that the +0.5 step is the result of a cooperation with Samsung), so it IS new silicon, but not new enough to call it RDNA4. My current mini also has "AI", but i don't use it - Copilot in an incognito browser window doesn't need an NPU - i don't use/need client-side genML. Why would anyone need 3 M.2 SSDs - do it like Minisforum, and make a hole in the chassis, for an OCuLink port - that's the only reason why one would need 3 M.2 sockets! Who is SOUYO - is this a subsidiary development department of a bigger company which doesn't want to be named - like a burner phone? edit: what SUOYO shouldn't do like Minisforum is their support - if they want to get a foot in the western market door, they need to do better than minisforum. Also, using intel 2.5 gig NICs, instead of Realtek, helps.

[@Lionheart1188]

Awesome stuff, can't wait for Halo Strix.

[@rubenp8581]

This looks great... Now install this in that Odroid GameCube case.

[@sephalopod]

I as a person who really likes low power consumption things and would love it but I also just built a computer and I'm also currently at college so I don't think I'd have enough to buy it and a little reason to use it with all of what I have already.

[@Alexander-uq2ut]

depends on the final build quality - probably between 600-900€ (depending on the actual specs you choose)

[@Tachippy]

Looks good. I'd pay $900 for the HX 370 with 32 GB of RAM and 2 TB of storage. I would love a barebones version that also had space for a 2.5" SSD.

[@alfredosalza6328]

Great video!

[@SpeedDemonExpress]

Very annoying that no youtube reviews ever show anyone plugging in a remote or cables, like we're just expected to know. What remote do you use? Do you need a pc? Do you need a keyboard and mouse? Are games already installed or do I have to buy the games online somewhere? What cables do I need to plug it in?

[@christianr.5868]

It’s a computer, it’s just a small pc. Anything you’d need for a pc, you’d need for this

[@Rkcuddles]

Watch your content for fun. Love it. Wanted to point out that’s it’s been 2+ minutes and all shots are from the top and front of the unit. Top is just empty black screen. Maybe show us the back a little too so we can see the ports. Also. No excuse. Give us oculink on all mini PCs!!

[@michaelkhanmusic]

do we need a laptop anymore? thinking about pairing with a crowview note thing and just simplifying my whole set up even more

[@mimo5383]

I'm waiting on Minisforum to make an EM880 with this chip and soldered ram. A tiny 80×80×43mm PC with that chip would make for the ultimate portable travel PC. Just plug into hotel TV's for image and game with a wireless 65% keyboard and mouse.

[@reallycarson]

I would be curious to see how well this does limited to 20-30 watts to see how handhelds would perform.

[@buda3d2007]

igpu's are no longer a joke, this is awesome power in a mini pc

[@israellewis5484]

THIS is the one we really wanna see. Cause this chip is a monster. Edit: 3.75Ghz all core feels a bit low, I'm sure when the tuning becomes available it could do 4ghz all core or more easily.

[@Rpgamer50]

As I’ve been saying Minisforum is the wave of the future

[@fairplayer916]

mini-PC's are cool. but im looking forward to the next gaming handheld with one.

[@legalius]

Can you do a video on the top 5 most powerful mini pc's for gaming? Is this the strongest mini pc for gaming right now?

[@orangea9458]

Run Senua's Saga: Hellblade II on the mini pc. I think it would get brought down quite heavily but there's some cooking you could do to get it going: 1. Use the optimal/low graphics settings at 1080p with FSR balanced/performance 2. FSR frame-generation mod which works, or even LSFG at 3x interpolation to take fluidity higher. be sure to cap to a couple FPS below whatever the system can handle pre-framegen to get good frame pacing. Considering it's a slow paced game which doesn't care about input lag much, i think we can achieve a good visual show on the minipc. I wonder how Stirix Point Halo will do compared to this. Leaks say up to 40 CUs but even at 32 it would be incredible.