This New Ryzen Ai 9 HX 370 Mini PC Has The Most Powerful AMD iGPU!

[@ASDFG856]

yeah but not 1k USD worth tho.

[@matejskerjanc7703]

350€ that's about it, ignore the noise

[@jesusdelmas]

Yes 1k they are crazy, With 1k you can buy a better Notebook, and a way better normal pc not too Big... I dont understand this products at that price. 400 or 500 use, but not more

[@Just_An_Ignacio]

​@@jesusdelmas or the HX90G series from minisforum, those have a 6650M dGPU.

[@ranjitmandal1612]

😶

[@Crustenscharbap]

So the rumors are true that the HX 370 is twice as expensive as the R9 8940HS. But there is hope. It seems that this PC has 4xDDR5 7500 wich is crazy and expensive.

[@DeepteshLovesTECH]

ETA can you consistently test your games?? Show us the real picture and stop using frame gen and random settings. Just test these iGPUs at 720p High and 1080p Low at Native or at max FSR Quality. Please it's a request.

[@jessierosenqueen5644]

Actually that was what he did years ago but when these fsr/dlss/frame gen/ai upscalers etc.. came his benchmarks kinda messed up but to be fair this channel is not focusing solely on benchmarks but the actual product and its capabilities itself.

[@andrewmcgrane3308]

And more side by side benchmarks of similarly specd/priced products I can't believe a reviewer doesn't do this

[@vxnguyen2334]

and display the temperature. I don't understand why he always conceals that important information.

[@EtaCarinaeSC]

yeah it would be great if he tests them properly and keeps this database for the people who care about the performance and buy the device based on actual numbers... and it helps tracking improvements over the years. And he is already SPENDING THE TIME to benchmark it... so ughhh...

[@Patrick-y4d1z]

@@andrewmcgrane3308 He's not a reviewer. He basically is an advert for upcoming products. His benchmarks are utter crap. No consistency, often wrong and done to show higher fake fps results than actual fps. "oh look, I'm playing this game at 60fps, totally playable" (proceeds to run with frame gen, fsr upscaling, potato quality)

[@RainWalker24c]

1:37 2 usb 2.0 ports & no ram slots in a $1k+ pc is kind of ridiculous imo

[@MauricioVives]

Well, that magnetic power connector from SER7 did not last long!

[@DevilMayCry_BR]

USD$1000? No way! At least this is the price for me here in Brazil, also add a 97% import tax, hell no!

[@omoveja8185]

Faz o L

[@Ronald-gu3ft]

97% import tax? Why does your government hate you?

[@omoveja8185]

@@Ronald-gu3ft because we hate ourselfs even more, votting on these people.

[@ranjitmandal1612]

😢

[@naoyuki_real]

@@Ronald-gu3ft We don't know, bro... cuz USD$ 1000 when converted in Brazilian Money (R$=Real) It's almost R$ 6000 (reais). Then, adding 97% import tax, we have R$ 11.820. In a product that should be cheap, due to the materials cut in production...

[@EtaCarinaeSC]

Please no framegen. It is the soap opera effect for gaming.

[@gotenks157]

I get your point, but it looks nowhere near as strange as motion smoothing on TV. TV content starts at 24fps so any smoothing looks terrible. But u. That same note, frame Gen is not a fix for Sub 40-50 fps. It's more for getting 60+ to be higher to look better on high refresh monitors.

[@EtaCarinaeSC]

@@gotenks157 the point also is that it ruins benchmark consistency. One doesnt know what actual improvemnts the hardware has in said game when this is used as banchmark.

[@gotenks157]

@@EtaCarinaeSC will depending on the frame Gen money used you can probably just get half of the frame rate that is being output, as generally these models just double it. But yes, for seeing raw performance it would be much better to run it clean.

[@EtaCarinaeSC]

@@gotenks157 some architectures can handle frame gen worse or better than others depending also on wattage etc. Its a mess...

[@kieranaldridge7449]

​@@EtaCarinaeSC In a strange turn, my desktop does terrible with frame gen but my Rog Ally actually does well with it and AFMF

[@bakakafka4428]

Minisforum is selling those older HX90G family mini PCs for less than this, and with the RX 6600M they're a lot faster. This price makes no sense, AMD! God knows how much they are going to ask for Strix Halo...

[@chryoko]

yes i am afraid of Strix Halo pricing, better go back to the new Intel Core series 2 then .... AMD better keep competitive !

[@GiacomBono]

The HX99G minisforum is at 600 euros , and it can push games in 1440P, no one talk about it now.

[@JBrinx18]

Strix Halo is for mobile workstation. Lowest cost will be $1500 on launch for the 8 core model, above 2k for 16 cores

[@Mageoftheyear]

You'll get downvoted to hell on reddit for saying that. Even though it's obvious to compare performance based on price as we've been doing for decades, the only response you'll get is "But it's *PREMIUM* you fool. Don't you see the *PREMIUM* sticker on it? You shouldn't compare it's price/perf ratio to competing solutions (such as $600 4060 laptops) because this one is *PREEEE-* " - slaps redditor forcefully.

[@Son37Lumiere]

Check out the new G7-PT, repeatedly slaps this thing into submission for the same price. The bad pricing is more of a Beelink thing though, they're always quite a bit more expensive than equivalent alternatives from the likes of Minisforum, GMKTek, etc.

[@vinyfiny]

Frame gen doesn't improve performance, it's a smoothing technology. I have no issue with it and would personally use it if I was gaming with an IGPU, but show performance with and without frame gen.

[@TerranViceGrip]

Please don’t use frame generation, it’s misleading as hell.

[@kuyache2]

He should really test both with and without frame gen and upscaling tech but I doubt ETAP will follow our suggestions and actually make rules about his tests like Igpu's can use upscaling+framegen and dgpu's should not. For now It's whatever he feels at the moment is the setting of the test hahaha

[@p_mouse8676]

It's misleading to say that it's just misleading. As long as you show both results and give context, it can be fine and playable.

[@brulsmurf]

@@p_mouse8676 frame generation is only fine if you already have a high framerate without.

[@novantha1]

I don't really think it's misleading if you state you're using framegen; we're moving towards a future where framegen is going to become essential in at least some capacity in demanding titles, and keep in mind, what framegen looks like in one, or two years is going to be very different to what it looks like right now, so I think it's probably important to have an idea of what the impact on your games is if you're buying a product today (that you presumably will be using in a year, still).

[@Cn01228]

My god, give it a rest. Always someone complaining for the sake of complaining in these comments. If you disagree with him so much, why keep watching? Better yet, why not make your own channel since you are so knowledgeable with this stuff.

[@231pilot]

You should demo some mini PCs with Linux Mint, Debian, Ubuntu, or Zorin. I'd like to see out of the box hardware support and performance comparisons.

[@ayedraco4l]

I agree but not with the distros Fedora or Arch would be a better choice

[@MahmudulHasan-wk3qv]

1k? not really consumer friendly

[@frankkurz8161]

True, and you can get gaming laptops with a much faster RTX 4060 for less.

[@meloriguardo]

@@frankkurz8161 Name one

[@beyondearth6418]

Problem is, game studios started this trend of poorly optimizing their software game. We'll need one hell of a miracle to get the gaming industry out of this one.

[@kieranaldridge7449]

I agree here. So many new games run awfully despite not actually being more graphically impressive or seeming to have much going on compared to some older titles that are really well optimised because they didn't have this tech to rely on. Only so much can be said for things like frame gen. Optimisation is King. The titles that I can run on an Ally/steam deck thanks to optimisation show how important and good it can be.

[@IntenseGrid]

Yeah, until AI tools are used for performance tuning of the code rather than just used for generating barely working code.

[@vandammage1747]

Framegen ruined this video

[@jessierosenqueen5644]

If you're looking for actual benchmarks sadly you won't find it here mate.

[@neoax5370]

why does everyone hate framegen what is it

[@Just_An_Ignacio]

​@@neoax5370 frame gen does _interpolation,_ to put it simple is adding one/two "fabricated" frames between two real ones. Obviously you have to wait for the two "real" frames to be done *and then* the frame gen program fabricates the interpolated frame to look like a mixture of the two reals. So when you see the game is "running at 100 FPS" with frame gen, in reality is running at 50 FPS but the frame gen program is injecting 50 "fake" frames in between. This process make you see the smoothness of 100FPS but you are going to have *more* input lag (latency) than playing at 50FPS normally, so it's recommended for slow pacing games (like God fo War 2016) and not to fast pacing ones (like CoD or Doom Eternal). *And* the lower the base/real framerate is, the worse quality are going to have the interpolated ones. If you see something running at 60FPS with frame gen, you are having 30 real frames and the responsiveness of your controls will be worse than playing at 30FPS. Frame gen *is not real performance* since it's post-processing, and can be misleading because of it. The older (and cheaper) 780M iGPU mini PCs can do Frame Gen too now, so it isn't even a selling point for these new 890M iGPU mini PCs.

[@ranjitmandal1612]

😶

[@Space-_-Bender]

If you can't do a simple divide by 2 you shouldn't be investing in computers

[@Just_An_Ignacio]

I think everyone would appreciate to see the performance with and without Frame Gen. Probably the most complete testing would be: - without Upscaling/Frame Gen - Upscaled - Upscaled and Frame Gen That way people could see the entire picture of how that will run their games of interest and how many technologies they would have to enable to play it comfortably.

[@jccnguyen]

No Oculink is a big letdown

[@DonPatro92]

Why are you not showing the temps? And whats up with testing on FrameGen? You testing and video quality has gone down significantly.

[@EroDhika]

you forgot to mention which LAN is it... 1Gbps or 2.5Gbps

[@Crustenscharbap]

Performace is really great. I made reseach and its GPU is about 50% faster as Apples M3 and at multi core its also faster as Apples M3 but in Single Core the HX 370 is slower. But Apples M3 needs about half of energy. But the HX 370 is about 1/3 faster by using 30% less energy than R7 8840HS. Its a huge step up.

[@GJG0420]

The Barrel Jack power cord totally sucks.... why not just use type C

[@woofkaf7724]

Barrel is the best. Strong, reliable and repairable.

[@carlharrison3637]

Thats some crazy wattage use for what it can do. Very impressive.

[@DrakeTech-kh8hs]

It would be interesting to see a comparison against the RX 6500 which has the same number of shaders.

[@marcinrudnicki5144]

How is it work with emulation like rpcs3 and xenia. Why did you stop testing emulators. For me it was the best part.

[@bootinnj]

I've used an old beelink intel system for my mom which after 7 years is now a chromebox but is still a decent enough machine for her needs but im glad to see beelink stepping up and making these really cool new minipcs with the bells and whistles i mean a 12 core with 32gddr5 at 7500mhz blows my desktop out of the water with am4 8core 5800G and 7900xt with 16G DDR4@3000MHZ and its not small lol. great vid!!

[@drewnewby]

$1249, unless you catch it on the pre-sale, which is a bad idea, for an unreleased, not reviewed unit. There are 780M based units for $350, and many more will be on sale this winter. The HX 370 isn't priced competitively, and the 890M isn't worth the premium. Wait for Z2, or Kraken Point in late 2025, if a 780M isn't fast enough for you.

[@Just_An_Ignacio]

Or one of those mini PC with dedicated GPUs, like the minisforum with a 6650M, costs the same or less and the performance is in another level. The only reason to buy this would be the NPU, but we are in 2024 and there's still no real consumer use for it.

[@Patrick-y4d1z]

Chances are by January we'll have Zen 2 devices announced with peripherals and cheaper.

[@MaksimSadontsev]

Man, this video just makes me happy about going for GEM12 with 8845HS and not waiting for the HX370/Ultra Core. At least with my intention of using it as a home server. Ability to upgrade RAM and Oculink should do the job for running a local LLM even, for fun. I can even buy Tesla P40 for the price difference with this one

[@drewnewby]

@@Patrick-y4d1z Yes, Z2 is a stopgap, before even less expensive Kraken Point SKUs later that year. Expect Z2 to be limited to handhelds at first.

[@Patrick-y4d1z]

@@drewnewby Well at the moment I have a Steam Deck OLED, so if it comes out at say 30% better performance than the ROG Ally X, then I'll probably jump on it. Then look to upgrade once USB4.2/TB5 is on one (as I'll use it at ome as a desktop replacement with eGPU)

[@someuserhandle]

I wish they start using camm2 instead of soldered memory i think you can get same speeds with upgradability

[@kllrbeas]

$1000.00 ouch! 😥

[@Muskelhias]

what is idle power consumption, noise level and stuff?

[@dakkon74]

Yeah, I really dislike his review format.

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

prob half power at video watching

[@Mamiya645]

Framegen hate is justified. Capcom use it in Monster Hunter Wilds system requirements and even then, the requirements are insane for requiring framegen to achieve 1080p60. Hahaha soldered on non-changeable ram, that's a NOPE despite increased speed, I prefer not being fully screwed if a bit flips.

[@isbestlizard]

Does the wifi actually work? The previous model the wifi/bluetooth didn't work once you got like, a few feet away. Have they fixed the antenna?

[@Uberragen21]

The metal case messes with the WiFi signal. Acts like a faraday cage.

[@DS-pk4eh]

Thanks for a video. Can you please check if it can be powered through USB-C too. Some MiniPC can even though they are coming with standard charger, so I would assume this one can also

[@SONBADGUY]

Are there any mini pc's more powerful than the Legion Go at the moment?

[@Seb00lean]

Your content is really great! Maybe a recommendation, especially when you go I’ve performance of new hardware. Blend in the best pest performance the previous gen had to offer. E.g. if you show us performance of the 890m in various games, blend in the performance numbers of the same games of the 790m. It really helps to have a visual comparison. Thanks for your content 😊

[@vforillo]

Jesus fucking Christ, it feels like the early 2000s where everything was labeled with iThis and iThat not to mention Y2K, now we have to deal with everything having Ai in its name just because it's a buzz word? I hate this timeline.

[@joshuaswartz2530]

I'm pretty sure the I stands for integrated.

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

icute

[@jairodiaz-ortiz2194]

We had this branding problem before "AI". It's getting to be very annoying.

[@Mageoftheyear]

Might be attractive in a year's time when it hits $600. Did you mention the price in your review BTW?I don't think you did but I don't recall. Please always include that. I know prices change but I can't always check the price when I'm watching the video (eg downloaded for offline play) and it can be hard to re-contextualise the performance after the fact. I also wholeheartedly prefer to see raw benchmarks without FSR and FrameGen. I do plan on using these features, but basing your review off of them makes it impossible for me to compare the true value of the product to other mini-PCs or laptops. Which ultimately destroys the half the point of the review for the potential customer. Thanks for the review I'm looking forward to GMKtec's mini-PC of the HX370 as they tend to offer the best value.

[@USELESSINFO-y3p]

ETA THANKYOU FOR VIDS

[@DW-xt6nt]

Great review thanks, yes would like to see TDP and RAM maxed plus Cinebench test, and egpu via M.2 and USB4 please!

[@G.K.B.]

9:50 mega / super future... spaceships that pierced through space... and VSS Vintorez... I wouldn't be surprised if half of the NPCs there are running around with AK's...

[@AresHeartbreaKid]

you know alot of gamers interested in these mini's play Dota 2, Counterstrike, Valorant, League and other esport titles. but u never test those. always some AAA titles. which no one is really trying to play on a budget PC. although this one @$1000 USD you'd be better off buying the HX99G for like $700-800 Bucks

[@Just_An_Ignacio]

They cost like $600-650 now 😅

[@woofkaf7724]

Or normal PC with 4070

[@Just_An_Ignacio]

@@woofkaf7724 we're talking about mini PCs for people that want efficient and/or have reduced space. Even a Mini-ITX won't fit really well into that category.

[@woofkaf7724]

@@Just_An_Ignacio ну так и собери маленький ПК

[@anon_abc123]

Canadian pricing must be different for Minisforum products because theyre not much more competitive than this. The HX99G here is $1099 for 32gb ram and $1200 for 64gb. The SER9 is $1349 in Canada. The minisforum is not that great of a deal.

[@blast_processing6577]

There simply aren't any well-priced mini PCs in Canada, unfortunately.

[@lubossoltes321]

HX99G has more ports, about 3x the GPU power and 80% of the CPU. Even for the same price it is the better package because you can upgrade the RAM.

[@MSRSF63]

you only need the processor for non gaming tasks, games will be better with GeForce now

[@Artorian_Tempest]

Would love to see this chip in the Minisforum EM form factor

[@j-p-1]

Is the case made of plastic or aluminium?

[@ghosttheoremproductions5469]

Given how well Helldivers 2 runs on RX580/590 I'd love to see it tested

[@Meowzed]

would love one of these for kali linux quite expensive but would love to see what this cpu can do for pentesting and hacking purposes

[@GulshanDhingra]

What's the overall power consumption like when the system is idle and when it's under load?

[@Sheerwinter]

:| benchmarks please with higher wattage. (No framegen please)

[@arenared]

It’s a beelink , not a beeline system you are reviewing by the way

[@matteofarina4308]

hello, great video as always , i think that 8000Mt/s will be just fine cause processor memory controller is up to something like 8533, at the moment i'm testing my new idepad pro 14 with 8845hs which come at 6400Mt/s but on 7500Mt/s is working just fine on heaven benchmark and timespy(3532 combined score, 3175 9800ish), for those who are intersted there is a HUGE offer that ends today on lenovo site, i think that it'll run good as long as cpu memory controller and ram are perfectly fine without overclock or changing timings(dunno if this time of low-voltage ram has room for it)btw with the 16gb one at an outstanding price of 680 euros

[@ferfracassi]

Thanks for the test, I was looking forward to seeing a review of a mini PC with Ryzen AI. You can test it with AI, (FLux, Lllama 3.1/3.2, SD) locally. and professional applications, Cinebench, Vray, Blender, Adobe products. Thank you very much.

[@marcelomoura6685]

It's a powerfull mini PC.

[@sightover9815]

Are there any 4K low-end gaming benchmarks? It would be nice to be able to do 4K 120hz or so for lol or valorant.

[@GiacomBono]

The HX99G minisforum (with the RADEON 6600M) is at 600 euros , and it can push games in 1440P LOW SETTINGS with FSR, no one talk about it now.

[@marcinrudnicki5144]

True but For me its little too big

[@GiacomBono]

@@marcinrudnicki5144 thats true, but still a small power house in terms of cost/performances!!!!

[@physxme]

Airflow looks suspiciously restrictive. Cool air has to enter through the bottom, go through the tiny gaps between the motherboard and the case, then can it reach the CPU cooler.

[@marcelb.7224]

would be nice to test the aoostar Mini PC with the ryzen Ai 9 HX 370 too. Because it has oculink

[@davitdavid7165]

How much of an improvement is it compared to zen4 if you pair both eith an egpu?

[@toast1797]

Maybe APUs are what AMD meant with taking “market share” with RDNA4 so they’re experimenting with beefier iGPUs in the interim

[@WilReid]

With these next gen mini PCs, you really need to find something to test the usefulness of the NPU. If they're going to charge 2x for it, it better actually do something. I'm kinda glad I didn't wait for the new CPUs now that we're seeing how much they'll cost. I'd been thinking about one that could handle facial recognition and such on security camera while the CPU and GPU were doing other things or just using less power. Not worth a $500 premium when a $35 Coral TPU can do it. I guess show how well they can do LLM things if they can at all? Image generation is fun for a bit, but it's just a toy for most people, so also not worth an extra $500.

[@cheungs7]

more games please - Street Fighter 6 on high/ultra! Thank you!

[@taylorshin]

I saw this at Amazon and the price is matched with the Mac mini… But … You can upgrade its storages. 😮

[@EvGeniy-ez9kt]

Do you think Minisforum will make a Mini PC with two network ports ( rj45) on this processor?

[@sniperganso]

STOP USING FRAMEGEN!!!

[@EvGeniy-ez9kt]

Devices on this processor will all have soldering memory?

[@murraywebster1228]

Test some audio, DAW & plugin-host applications

[@selmansungur]

Can you compare with Intel ultra 9 verison of Beelink mini pc (GTi4)?

[@Adventures_of_Ian]

Please could you get a Cinebench r23 benchmark, from stock settings. I have read 22,000 or so just want to see if true before buying myself

[@bpraghu]

Novice here, how does this compare performance wise to a PS5 ?

[@el_james1254]

Coming here after the Onexfly F1 Pro

[@ktechnology9146]

I remember when people thought AMD would sell these APUs cheap enough to compete with gaming consoles...

[@goblinphreak2132]

IF I had money to startup a company.... I would do an AMD CPU, AMD GPU, as small as possible. Who cares if the consumer can't upgrade like a normal desktop? If APPLE can get away with making computers that work great and people never really upgrade, than windows side can do it too. Hell, with a custom chip for the company (like steam) I would get AMD to make me an 8 core 16 thread X3D chip that is chiplet based and has room for 40/80/120 compute units attached for GPU. And then HBM memory to control it all. And then sell a custom mini-pc that has a power-house. AMD is known for being fair priced for custom silicon. Steam did it.... the steamdeck is a custom chip, while based on AMD its not exactly something you can buy off the shelf. And these mini-pc's are all using laptop parts, and chinese handhelds are all using amd laptop parts.... none of them have gone custom chip. Custom chip is the way to go.

[@JH-mj4ms]

Lately I only play the division 2...too busy with working for a bunch of games...my gaming PC is a windows 7 model so you can figure out how old it is...I want to upgrade but I need a space saving solution...how will div 2 run on this mini pc.

[@goldmanstacks1445]

Can you please test it on diablo 2 resurrected and the division 1 and 2 And chance on testing at 1440? I'm looking to get a mini pc and wondering how the FPS will be with these titles. Thank you!!

[@wandameadows5736]

It should run Diablo 2 remastered & both Divisions in 1440 no problem because system requirements for those games aren't much. Reviews claim Radeon 890M is equivalent to RTX 2020 - GTX 1650.

[@Sebastian2018]

Can you test autoCad and solidworks ?

[@NirudhaPerera]

Any HX370 systems with Oculink?

[@mattishida3067]

Can you compare this to Intel core 258v?

[@MrNouriB]

Can you play satisfactory with high detail and 1080p??

[@boucha91]

We're nearly step close ahead for iGPU be like a competition for latest mid-range dedicated GPU. it's really impressive tbh

[@edwardsutherland8240]

where can I lookup compatible egpus for this minipc?

[@cliftondozier3546]

So with the on board memory is it faster than your regular 32 GB SODIMM even at higher capacity? I have an older Bee-Link with 64GB of ram and was thinking about upgrading to another system then this one came along. And this is for anyone. Thank You.

[@PeterJohn-fc9lv]

this thing can beat gtx 1650 or rtx 2050 in gaming?

[@abhishekmaurya4665]

when will that 40cu version arrive

[@jeffreywong5112]

Make a video overclock version!

[@zoomzoom93rx7]

Will batocera work on this?

[@346151295]

Imma waiting for M4 mac mini

[@BressanFranco]

but why, just why, didn't the make it compatible with their own gpu dock?

[@MarioSadico]

how good is it with genshin impact and honkai star rails?

[@Rabid-Pinocchio]

It seems to me that the internal speaker is purely for the AI functionality which I have 0 application for. Could I disconnect the speaker's ribbon cable and remove the speaker from the dust filter and then replace the dustfilter? Additionally is oobe\... disabling of setup disabled now? Thanks to anyone who can answer these questions.

[@salcedo98]

Is this overkill for ryujinx?

[@leechurchill5182]

This or the um890?

[@大支爺]

Never trust an sponsored channel.

[@happybuggy1582]

This is a super strong system easily beating Mac mini but it’s not for gaming. More for multimedia and editing use.

[@tprdiirp]

You didn't show the temperature.

[@akin242002]

I wouldn't get it, but my career isn't based on GPU performance. Also, I am not an extreme gamer. I'd prefer the Geekom A8 or BeeLink SER7. Light gaming at 1080p is fine for my needs.

[@Gonzie6]

I don't know what that street vendor ever did to you but you're always attacking the same one

[@GENIUSGT]

Why add speakers to a mini PC?

[@jeffreywong5112]

only 1g! What a power house.

[@CameronBrown-ph9do]

I mean people not coming here for product showcasing rather than actual critique is just funny

[@chriswolf534]

In BIOS hit CTRL-F1, they have a hidden menu tree

[@pierro1977]

thabk you for this video !!! could you please maje one about a small htpc ? I m looking for a pc as small ans silent as possible with 2 sata 2.5 slots (not m2) for ssd's. mini pc are very usefull for movies and htpc use, could you give us some references ?

[@jovaneybernard2206]

So no oculink? Smh 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@el3g3le]

With beelink, it should have been a pcie port for their dock like the gti

[@AchmadBadra]

Not showing the temps is indicate scamd is so hot 🔥

[@freetheworld247]

Can u compare with the base model mac m4 mini