this movie is BERSERK - Northman Review

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From Robert Eggers (The Lighthouse, The Witch) comes an ancient Norse tale of revenge starring Alexander Skarsgard and Anya Taylor-Joy. Lots of people die.
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[@lefunghi6151]

I personally think the whole point is it not being something new about revenge, but rather an authentic retelling of the original norse story.

[@sonickiller360]

I think you all fundamentally misunderstand this film. This is a Norse story meant to be viewed from a Norse perspective, in viewing it from a more traditional perspective you thus fail to grasp the reasoning behind crucial points of the film. For example, the ending from a more traditional lens seems tragic, where as from a Norse perspective it is heroic and righteous because Amleth ensured the safety of his bloodline, avenged his father, fulfilled his destiny, and died in battle so that he could go to Valhalla. Essentially, your lack of understanding of the culture of the people in the film and the time that they lived in has led to your fundamental misunderstanding of the actions of the characters in this film.

[@maxsilbert]

Damn, while I find this view compelling you could have explained it without being incredibly condescending.

[@sonickiller360]

@@maxsilbert I was being blunt and matter of fact. They fundamentally misunderstood this film by incorrectly viewing it through a modern, more traditional lens, when a Norse perspective was required. If anything I was reserved, I could have been far more acerbic and scathing, such was the gravity of their error.

[@proctoscopefilms]

@@maxsilbert I'm not seeing any of that. There's just no sugarcoat over it. I lack understanding of many things and so do you.

[@endor8witch]

dude it's an interpretation of hamlet...even his name amleth is literally clued on what the story is about. set in a norse setting.

[@richgranados11]

@@endor8witch well, Hamlet was based on the Norse legend of Amleth. Shakespeare did that a lot, taking old legends or stories and refashioning them. All his contemporaries probably did. Anyways, I always felt like a theme of this film is the cruelty of the gods in an era where Christianity is slowly eroding the old Viking ways. Amleth is obviously a simpleton and the gods use him at every turn just for the fun of it. That ending always gets me

[@kyletaylor4312]

There was no spirit, no fight with the mountain dweller. It was him confronting his own fear based off a legend and telling it to f*ck off once he realized there was nothing there. That was the inspiration for making the guards fight their own fear with the nightmare shroom

[@LedtallicaZombie]

1. The Hel fight sequence reminded me of the Scar vs. Simba fight in The Lion King. 2. Skwisgaar dying at the end wasn't sad, it's actually the happiest ending for a Norse, to die in battle. It's the only way to enter Valhalla. 3. The fight sequence to obtain the Draugr Sword was very reminiscent of Kratos fighting Travellers in God of War (2018).

[@sonickiller360]

1. Makes sense because lion king is based on hamlet iirc.

[@joriei]

Why David wants to compare The Northman to The Green Knight so hard? They are completely different movies.

[@Vashtanerada477]

Because they’re both artsy movies set in the past and that’s enough for 1:1 comparisons apparently lol. On my next podcast I’m going to be comparing the films Taxi Driver and Home Alone 2 because they’re both set in New York.

[@DizzyBusy]

Both are kind of revenge stories. Eh

[@myztik5716]

Amleth lost the initial fight on purpose so Olga could get away, it wasn't an error, she remarks about it later

[@cmbcallum]

I've never watched a full episode of this. Like many other people have said in the comments, they all mostly seem like they don't understand films at all. Honestly seem like the type of people who dislike popular films for the sake of being different.

[@DizzyBusy]

The naming thing, it's still like that today. For example if your father is Gunnar Sigurdsson, you'll be...oh, Idk, Eynar Gunnarson, and your sister could be Snae Gunnarsdottir. So you don't even share the same last name as your parents

[@Vashtanerada477]

Why does every single movie have to be “saying something” about the topic it’s portraying? Like why does it have to “add to” some cultural discussion? Obviously art is inherently political, but I don’t really understand how not “adding to the conversation” is an axiomatic negative. Does every revenge story have a flashing sign saying “revenge is bad” at some point? Aren’t we supposed to have moved beyond the Hays Code by now?

[@nikolozkipshidze]

They don't "have to", but without doing something new, novel, or saying something interesting about whatever it is you're covering, you're going to be at an inherent disadvantage, not because it's bad to rehash old stories without changing anything, but because it's boring. A movie that does not wish to take a stand, that doesn't want to add to the conversation is fine, but it's just not going to be great. A 6 and not a 9.

[@spendsshanks6050]

@@nikolozkipshidze That’s retarded. Genuinely. The craft of the movie in its objective quality (cinematography, writing, characters) can make a movie a 9 even if it’s been done before and doesn’t “add” anything. It doesn’t need to push a message for it to be a great movie

[@TheyreJustMovies]

@@nikolozkipshidze hard agree -Riley

[@lovelylemonfactory]

3:25 How does what Sarah says prove Riley's point? Love isn't generally considered mediocre.

[@Carboxylated]

why is the camera glitching at the beginning? anyway...8 out of 10 for me on this movie. LOVE your discussion regardless and I can see everyones points of view.

[@JFizDaWiz]

ok it wasn't my computer, thought it was crazy that it was dropping frams but "stats for nerds" said 0 dropped frames

[@stanleydrones]

I was looking for a comment like this. Thank you I’m glad it wasn’t just me

[@Tomanista]

His mother got mad when he entered her chambers because she didn't want him to see her slave marking on her shoulder

[@pinkmidi6553]

its a great movie to see in theaters but it's way more surface level then Egger's other filims. Id rather rewatch The Witch or The Lighthouse and ive seen them multiple times already. hopefully Eggers does Nosferatu next like he planned

[@michalhlava8657]

I really like the freestyle endings where you just chat about stuff!

[@Thamli]

Skarsgard is amazing, he's the perfect Amlet. Nicole Kidman I didn't like very much, could have been a lesser/unknown actress. When the movie finished I thought: This is it??? I expected more beserker fights.

[@MarcoBayod_MB]

She didn't turn against Amleth, she never loved him, she wasn't a villain, she was real

[@MonkWithoutACause]

Really liking this channel and your talk-pod-show. Y'all are doing a great job expanding into general culture stuff. But I look at your logo and keep thinking "Who is Tim?"

[@gmanfemal696]

I guess something's wrong with me because this was perhaps one of the best films I've ever seen. I have a propensity for liking unpopular movies and not loving the most popular movies. Cool I guess.

[@Tomkatos]

I thought that I would not like the Now Watching segment because it would cut off the discussion. But it's my favorite segment this episode! You guys rock!

[@vikata5499]

Talking about Hamlet, you should watch Haider, Indian adaption of Hamlet by Bharadwaj.

[@mackmcd]

Good lord. I had little intention of watching this movie, but I haven't even made it all the way through the synopsis, and I'm already exhausted.

[@Wurmfist]

You guys should do a DND campaign with this setup. :)

[@KyleCollective]

Thought this was way better than green knight. Green knight was just way to weird and sometimes feels like it’s trying too hard to be that way. Also while I think it can be seen as an issue, this movie is definitely going to appeal more to men and more so people who enjoy visceral imagery. If you were thinking or hoping for something deep I’m not sure this movie was advertising it. It’s a simple tale and that’s what you got

[@Charliendt]

Sarah is always great in this show

[@GabdaG]

Omleth. My love to you is ticking clock, berserker.

[@overdev1993]

visually a stunning and brutal movie which is really liked but the story and characters are not that good.

[@arun279]

Northman is my favorite of all the ones I've watched this year (Top Gun Maverick close second).

[@dog2man1994]

Y'all got my hopes up thinking there was a new berserk movie

[@daviddang3458]

Yeah I have to say I agree with most of y'all's points on this movie. I didn't get a chance to watch it in theatres so I watched it in my home setup. Beautiful cinematography and some cool scenes but it's not a mind-blowing film and if it was trying to convey a deeper message, I did not get it. 7/10

[@ravencock]

This was a rare miss for the crew. Missed missed more than a few points.

[@gabotronprime]

Just here for Berserk on the title. Long live Berserk

[@keithknows1809]

RILEY - Forgive me for being too lazy to rewatch the your last video and cite a specific time stamp. I believe my comment was inspired by a lack of confidence that I sometimes perceive you to have about your _own_ thoughts and theories. I'm simply emphasizing the value of your opinions, and encouraging diversity of thought. What my comment means to the context of the show is the same as it means to any other body of work. I just thought it needed to be heard. I was honestly hesitant to write this, fearing it might undermine the very point of my first comment.

[@kerenzafour]

I want a review of the Aurora trilogy now!

[@Jacob-r4w]

I saw the movie last weekend, I didn't understand the plot at all. Visually looks good though. I'll have to wait for it to come out, so I can re-watch it.

[@endor8witch]

hamlet, basically. even the guy's name amleth is basically hamlet, rearranged.

[@JosephHerzog]

When yall doin the new Dr. Strange?

[@realhkv4082]

After doctor strange , do other movies like tron legacy or 3 idiots etc

[@BINACmini]

I won't judge you guys for uploading at 1:00 AM on a Saturday, but only because I'm up early enought to get the first comment.

[@GroteGlon]

Lmao

[@Pomek36]

8am for me

[@ju1cycrackfa1ry]

Can you guys please do Oceans 11? Not the 12 ir 13 just 11 lol

[@beep_]

a fat 6 out of 10 for me, quite long winded. super cool cinematography though

[@SwanChairUh]

Agreed

[@visishtp]

This week was supposed to be TUWOMT right?

[@25zvillcb25]

What is TUWOMT? But also no I don't think so, they said they were doing this movie on last week's episode

[@lukearnould]

@@25zvillcb25 TUWOMT = The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent, the new movie where Nicolas Cage plays himself.

[@25zvillcb25]

@@lukearnould Ah right. Saw that a couple weeks ago, enjoyed it. Agree with Riley that it would have made a good TJM episode, good movie to discuss I think

[@tsbulmer]

I'm a bit late to the party, but I feel like China, North Korea, etc. use the word "communism" like American Republicans use the word "freedom". They claim to aspire to it to look like they're helping the people they're crushing. But that's just, like, my opinion, man. Wikipedia's article for "Communist state" may be of interest.

[@keithknows1809]

I guess I _do_ own some NFTs.

[@Swagnoor19]

Could you guys talk about moon knight since the series just ended a few days ago? Or would that be on a different channel?

[@madd5]

here: it sucks.

[@lukearnould]

@@madd5 I wanted it to like it so much for the sake of Oscar Isaac but three episodes in I just couldn’t continue anymore. Even without having characters we’ve seen before it just felt so Disney+ Marvel show-like in a way I can’t even put my finger on.

[@sovereign1160]

I see Moon Knight in a vaguely similar way to how I see Split. The overall work isn't great, but it serves as a vehicle for a talented actor to show off their skills.

[@iownalx23]

4 person episode hype

[@KyngD469]

As in nuts. Or like Berserk the anime!?

[@oshiolga3672]

im in love with sarah

[@mikepatton7577]

They should make a Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice like sequel with Anya Taylor-Joy

[@endor8witch]

amleth = hamlet....it's just a reinterpretation of the old story. with some nuanced changes.

[@SparkFromWithin]

I have never seen a poorer argument than Riley's in this video. Sure, dude, men devoid of choice chose the board? The whole thing was off. But that was its peak. (and I really like Riley, so I am disappointed)

[@TheyreJustMovies]

wait can you explain this more I have no idea what you're talking about

[@SparkFromWithin]

@@TheyreJustMovies When the panel was reviewing points from The Severance episode, Riley was arguing something like "If communism/socialism is the DNA...", that point was rather poorly argued and then said "They [Lumem] have a board and who is to say that board isn't, like, elected by every member of this theoretical thing/structure they are proposing" (around 1:15:30) my rebuttal of that argument is how can people who are not aware of all of their dimensions really chose? If you don't know that you have a life outside work and they ask you to work more, you wouldn't know what you are giving up to work more because you are not fully aware of the multiple implications of that decision. Even when you are only being "a part of you" in this, our, reality, that exists in the context of all you are, and all you are informs your choices and behaviour. I sustain that if a part of you can be isolated to the extent this series suggests, you cannot really choose, and since you cannot really chose whatever structure they have is at least authoritarian and of very questionable legitimacy.

[@TheyreJustMovies]

@@SparkFromWithin Aaaaah ok. Sorry, I had to rewatch that part of this episode, haha. The point I was trying to make about the DNA was in response to the comment alleging that authoritarianism is incompatible with communism. That's true, theoretically - but practically, every time communism is attempted, it ends up being authoritarian. In my DNA analogy I ask you to consider a string of DNA written to express phenotype A. But the organism instead expresses phenotype B. That's all. So to say communism ≠ authoritarianism is kind of disingenuous. So in regards to Lumon, I agree that the company represents the excesses of capitalism, not communism - which is why in the Severance episode I was asking if we thought that the show had a socialist / communist message. I think we agreed that it did not - but then I imagined a scenario in which the show's creator's WERE communist, and said that wouldn't make sense anyway, since communism ends up creating the same kind of top-down, authoritarian bureaucracy that we see in Lumon. Communist regimes usually have various "boards" or bodies of "elected" representatives, but of course they're not REALLY elected, so I was drawing a parallel between THAT and Lumon. This format can make it hard to spell out our positions clearly :/

[@TheyreJustMovies]

this is Riley btw

[@SparkFromWithin]

@@TheyreJustMovies I just watched the Dr. Strange episode and I had to come back to take a second look at my comments and what you replied. Thanks for the clarification, but my point is that it was poorly argued, which does not necessarily mean that I wouldn't agree with it or that it was bad - it wasn't. I get the challenges the segment format might pose, and I appreciate you for taking the time to elaborate and clarify your point.

[@abhiezibran9654]

not your taste guys. Bye. cant subscribe

[@w0nd3rlu573r]

Damn, this film was stupid. Now I am wondering if I should even be checking that Green Knight out...

[@codyjboudreaux]

Disinformation comments, roll eyes.

[@anameyouknow4022]

Just a guess at the start... They didn't like it not enough divershity

[@ysbhw]

yeah idk why i was even subbed in the first place lol bye

[@Berndasbrot]

Please be more respectful towards Riley :-)

[@user-hq8wm8giyujcg]

Gangs of Wasseypur 1-2, India's best Epic Gangster movie 🍿

[@realhkv4082]

No , 3 idiots will be a better reaction

[@axr973]

It's a average movie

[@user4218]

OMG David doesn't like jre what's joe gonna do now? Look joe is crying in the corner. David please say u like him.

[@jamesgreear4247]

Honestly the Joe Rogan hate at the beginning was weird. then the way they all kinda downplay the movie made me realize i'm dealing with the anti-toxic masculinity crowd. What a waste of space this channel is😂

[@lukearnould]

So you’re….in favor of toxic masculinity?

[@danielwilson6323]

So why are you listening? The amount of people who engage in content just to complain is way too high. If you don't like it fine, just find something you like. Easy and no need for negativity.

[@gnomishviking3013]

Or maybe people are allowed their own experiences and opinions?? Not everyone has to be always thumping their chest like an ape talking about “man” stuff. Are you so insecure and sensitive about your own feelings that you need to lash out at others to validate yourself?

[@FuManNoonan]

Channel is such good, much honest. Thank you, TJM folks, for being authentic on the internet. Takes a lot to stand in the gale of the internet and I appreciate ya.

[@TheyreJustMovies]

Just speaking for myself here, I didn't really have any problem with Joe Rogan pre-pandemic. He was a pretty good interviewer, did a good job of teasing out his guest's thoughts. But now he's a meme because he waded into discussions of science without having any idea what he's talking about the majority of the time. The thing that made his show good - giving space to a guest to speak their mind - contributed to one of the great societal problems of this era: misinformation. I don't think he's necessarily a "toxic male" or whatever, I just think the misinformation that he propagated made the political polarization / science education issue worse -Riley

[@heteroerectus]

Why do people keep saying his mom is evil, she said his dad raped her and she hated him for it, and his uncle was nice to her, so she actually loved him.

[@jacksonconnors5280]

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