This Neuvillette TOP META team uses Lisa?! (Analysis)

[@jamiekb9v]

any lisa enjoyers? 🙂

[@GigiBalooba]

Got her at 90 lol

[@bulletpunch9317]

Yes but not metawise

[@dhiaab3435]

@@bulletpunch9317i relate

[@earthling_0.1]

IM USIGN THIS EXACT TEAM SINCE 4.1 OMG

[@jamiekb9v]

@@implicitimpact677 she is very synergistic here though. try get a faster run with a random 4th teammate if you want!

[@SuilongV3]

Thank you so much for clarifying that this works with both Lisa skins. I was worried about that coming into this.

[@sseraph777]

i love this kind of video! showcasing lesser used/underrated 4*

[@marcusaurelius4777]

I'm so glad that you brought this up because Lisa can help proc one of Neuvi's stacks, and is one of the very rare instances of DEF shred that Neuvi CAN take advantage of. Lisa is also a catalyst holder, so there will surely be weapons in the future or now, that she can use to help support him. The only other sources of DEF shred are Ayaka's C4, Klee's C2, and Raiden and Yae's personal DEF ignore which is different than shred. Lisa is one of the rare units that can actually buff Neuvillette since he benefits so very little from buffs that others can give the team.

[@Vartaes]

Razor

[@muhammadhariz6423]

Nahida c2 to

[@glovs4188]

Nahida c2 with raiden and zhongli also a very strong neuv team. Or if you have freedom sworn kuki the FS passive adds a little buff to neuv as well.

[@zorgling25]

Worth mentioning that while none of her cons are necessary, C4 does make her apply her debuff slightly more quickly/reliably in AoE. Without C4, her burst applies roughly 1 arc every 0.5s with random targeting so with a large number of enemies (or just really poor RNG) it can take a few seconds to tag all the enemies. With C4, it fires multiple shots and tags multiple enemies much more quickly.

[@jamiekb9v]

its helpful but yeah not necessary at all. pretty much every speedrun (including my own), doesn't have much lisa cons 😭 still getting fast clears though

[@goggleassistant]

@@jamiekb9vi feel like thats because neuvillette is strong af, however c4 lisa is still great

[@chosenuwu]

oh neat :0

[@drimz2949]

Same goes to fischl she dealt damage every 1 sec for 10 sec

[@satosoujirou]

lisa burst tick also has small aoe which is actually quite good. especially we always use kazuha anyway to group them. so c4 is not really needed.

[@I_Simp_For_Arlecchino]

I'm glad Lisa is letting less popular characters like Neuv/Furina/Kazuha to finally shine 🥰 Jokes aside it really is great to see her perform so well in a team, I'd love to try this team out but don't have Neuvi or Furina sadly

[@binhpham6118]

His banner is rated-up rn , you can try to get him

[@drimz2949]

I think that lisa is good. Just because she is starter heroes, most people think she is bad because she is free

[@Lsagllauy]

Lisa with Hakushin Ring works amazing too! I use her with that weapon and emblem set, works great. I tried this video’s build but my prototype inst r5..so if anyone doesn’t have r5 prototype amber i highly recommend hakushin ring. Great video!😁

[@O_RLY]

Last I checked, Hakushin ring doesn't proc off-field, so the uptime is abysmal.

[@habibitickler]

Also saw this on Bilibili a while ago so I was waiting for you to cover it

[@Memecs20]

I remember using Lisa on my Eula teams a long time ago for the ascension passive, totally forgot about her now with Neuvilette. I'll give it a go today

[@Alhaitham195]

Lisa is amazing support

[@WabbaWay]

I really enjoy running proto amber on a support for neuvillette; lisa, nahida, hell even sucrose. Personally i think ningguang is underrated as an archaic petra + proto amber holder (even if her burst is slow AF). the 12sec cd makes it always available and opens up your rotation to a degree that isn't really noticable when you try to put her into a 22 or 26 second rotation on a spreadsheet. It's probably not competetive with other builds for speedruns, but its really comfy for those uf us who just wants a solid 36star clear. I've been running APPA Ning since 4.1, and i wholeheartedly recommend it.

[@Yakoub_l_ota]

It's a really smart move by using lisa because There are a few buffs that reduce enemies' defense in the game, such as Lisa, Razer C4, and Klee C2. Therefore, it is possible that we will obtain support for this specialty in the upcoming region

[@xanthee_imr]

Just yesterday I was messing around with Lisa and Neuvillette to explore F2P alternatives and I was ashamed that I’ve never considered her before, and today I see this 😂 my problem though is energy, I was testing with a rainbow team and Lisa had R5 Hakushin with 290% ER and it wasn’t enough 😩 my team was GMC and Lynette, I calculated I need ~305% ER in energy poor scenarios even if I funnel a GMC E + 3 fav particles into her (just one fav holder with two procs). R5 PA lowers requirements to around 255-260%, but I have only one PA that Neuvi is using without better alternatives (arguably Widsith) and also I liked the idea of making it work with Hakushin since without Furina PA doesn’t provide as much value, but yea I should consider crafting another one if I want to mess around with that team (keep in mind I don’t kill stuff as fast like you 😅). Nice video 👍

[@ethanthepro3686]

You might be able to try using the 4 star exile set on geo main character in that team, setting up Petra can be annoying and slow anyway (if you were using that set)

[@hkanty]

RUNNING RUNNING OH HOLD ON DON'T LET GO

[@alatusedits]

Hey, childe speedrunner

[@nvmage]

You've made my day! I run to build Liza. Unique content as always since Kokomi and Nilou guides. Please, keep going.

[@fiwcasanova]

i have no idea how i never seen a video neither thought of prototype amber lisa for neuv. good stuff

[@yakuseth1077]

Thank you so much Jamie. Coz I've been using EM raiden in that team and didn't thought about Lisa.

[@MayS_moon_FF]

first time hearing someone said that you really dont need Neuvy C1 and i agree on this take as a F2P he is fine At C0

[@katxfish]

I got C6 Lisa but never found how to put her into my team's. Now I do. Will try this out!

[@Log_Alex]

Same, she is also one of my favorites from the early cast. I don't know why I didn't think of this!

[@manolispantelos4831]

You can use her for your Alhaitham spread teams she can rotate Very fast just swap to her hold e tap q maybe do one charged attack and then back to Alhaitham

[@isgonnabeagreatyear]

@tetangganyaalhaitam spread/aggravate is not a transformative reaction

[@ishleyro5457]

​@tetangganyaalhaitamWhile aggravate/spread are additive (not transformative) reactions, def shred can still be useful in transformative reaction teams where the on-field driver's attacks (and/or an off-field damage dealer's hits, and/or other non-transformative reactions taking place) are a significant source of damage Basically, just because your team is based around a transformative reaction, that doesn't make def shred useless. Shoehorning in a def shred character will still often be sub-optimal, but useless it typically is not

[@kanashiiinu9124]

​@tetangganyaalhaitam Among the off field electro options, only Lisa can actually buff spread dmg without support weapon and artifacts (Raiden has teamwide burst dmg but most dendro units main dmg source dont come from burst and Sara only buffs ATK which is the least stat priority over EM). Other off field electro are just there for the sake triggering quicken, their personal dmg or other utility (heal,energy)

[@justApplay]

Just tried this team and it's really fun. Prolly my favorite Neuv team now. Glad to have found another team for my Lisa. I built her 'cause she's C6 but couldn't find another team for her aside from aggravate.

[@sfoanna]

I built my Lisa so always glad to hear of other great teams for her. Just tried this team and I got my 35th star! Still not close to getting the last star on the 2nd floor but I’ll keep trying!

[@jamiekb9v]

Congrats! Keep trying

[@sfoanna]

@@jamiekb9vI did it! Lisa for the win!

[@cleod7439]

I love this, i have break old times in the abyss, and also allow me to play more characters on the other side. Finally i have a reason to use Lisa in a good team :D, thanks for this info ❤

[@dodoonice2636]

finally my full build lisa can shine now *-*

[@Enjou777]

Lisa mentioned!!!

[@spark9_]

hell yeah, based Neuvillette team that I like, time to build Lisa

[@aerohydra3849]

I wonder why I never thought of Lisa lol, esp since I always really thought that EC/taser has been underrated, especially with the AoE swirls and its stun/juggle. Personally I use Fischl a lot since she has no ER req basically and is set-and-forget (and she's one of my favorite characters), but the DEF shred is really interesting to further buff Neuv, and unlike Kuki Lisa doesn't need to be melee range. Personally I found interrupt res to be not that significant especially if you position yourself well. I also think Baizhu's interrupt res is so inconsistent that I've found little difference between running him and running no healer/shielder at all lol.

[@no-do4pv]

Just tried this team, and its actually pretty good.

[@salto7080]

Abt minmaxing her with EM, unless she's lvl 90 (and most people will just leave her at 60/70) I just wouldn't bother doing something more than like an EM goblet

[@vht1]

EC w.o sucrose is an ass reaction anyway. bc we will never know who is the trigger. so yeah stacking EM on her is not a good idea. just use 4p maiden with er/any piece/healing bonus

[@veeshadow]

It's optional but great to have. Hyperbloom Lisa is existed, so she should not just be Neuvillete's slave...

[@SwitzalGame]

Tried the team, and indeed its a speedrun. My Neuvi's damage increased decently. i wish 1 more constellation of her comes home so I can C4. I just recently leveled her up.

[@meowfu1333]

RUNNING RUNNING OH 🗣🗣🔥🔥

[@bighat8794]

A new team for Lisa is always a W

[@muhammadfaiq9266]

dosent this also allow for an easier hydro swirl against bosses in comparison to charlotte?

[@archzillla]

After trying this out for a while it feels ok, the biggest issue is ER for Lisa. I have her at almost 260% and she just gets her burst if you're really conscious of swapping to use everyones skills and run at least one fav. Like sometimes I'd have to cancel a neuv ca near the end of a chamber to get in another E or furina fav proc before the enemies died or lisa wouldnt have her burst for the next chamber.

[@berby123]

another weapon you can use if u dont need extra healing is hakushin ring, which gives additional hydro + electro dmg bonus up to 20% at r5. ive been using her with my c3 neuvillette because im waiting for zhongli's rerun 😇

[@jamiekb9v]

nice i can try that! although in speedruns everyone uses prototype amber so i'm assuming thats just better (healing+energy)

[@nara-yana]

@@jamiekb9vI would say that these speedrunners don't even have Hakushin on their accounts, as it's bonus seem to offset the potential loss in Furina's stacks from not healing~

[@jamiekb9v]

@@nara-yana I have it at r5 and i don’t think it does , the uptime on its buffs is not very long at all. Just use prototype amber 👍

[@studiesinflux1304]

I built Lisa as a DEF shred support as well, although for Spread teams rather than Neuvilette. I’m surprised you made it work with only 220% ER. In my shred support, I use a Favonious weapon and 250% ER to be able to burst consistently for low numbers of targets. Maybe it’s different since you’re getting enough orbs from defeating enemies so quickly.

[@bumerang6525]

C1 neuvillette was the best choice i made and cant wait to try this team thanks!

[@SaladBlender]

I built Lisa for a similar purpose, buffing My C6 Nahida. It works well, but I found that even with Fav Codex, ER can still end up being an issue for her when she is the only electro character.

[@wideozludrawz]

its such a good team. i trust you.

[@dicuns]

How would you compare the damage of a team with lisa vs a team with fishcl instead?

[@dummythicc3522]

welp, time to pull for neuvilette

[@bumerang6525]

is it worth to play if you have zhongli? (already have C1 neuvillette)

[@johnpettigrew9420]

I'm debating leveling lisa and crafting refines for my Pamber to try this instead of Petra albedo. I really like running albedo when my zhongli is not available since he is braindead easy with no worry about ER and his animations are super quick so its easy to refresh petra mid rotation for high petra uptime.

[@sycamorewest]

Great idea! Will try it. Is there overall incremental uplift in DPS / clear time vs. Zhongli / Baizhu or is it around same level trading RES shred + petra for DEF shred?

[@Inqway]

The only thing I'm wondering; in case you have Neuvi (and Kazuha) but no Furina, what changes would you do to Lisa? Or is she not worth playing in that case?

[@Afkpro856]

She's Def worth playing because of her Def shred. I run her full ER Emblem build 320+, C2 Barbara TTDS (HP res bonus + 15% hydro DMG bonus), and sacrificial claymore C2 Beidou Nobless 270 ER. Super strong comp

[@Afkpro856]

Another team that's strong is Neuvillette ,Lisa, Dendro traveller and Tenacity Layla. Highly recommend both of those teams. Kazuha isn't needed at all, and could be used for the other side of abyss

[@RCGangstaZ]

Yupp i'm definetly gonna use Lisa but for hyperbloom triger with neuvi , it's more easy for me with m'y box , with Layla for shild and a dendro 🎉

[@kenjibailly]

Is lisa better than fischl c6 in this comp?

[@JustSkii]

Question here, does she work better than Charlotte, because im thinking of building her after watching this video

[@maxppo3615]

Same. I got E6 Charlotte, but Im not into her.

[@trickmonster7905]

Me with a c6 Lisa Neuvillette: Stand proud. Your strong Lisa: *tears of happiness in her eyes* thank you 🥹

[@SwedishSword]

Has there been any math done on song of days vs 4p maiden's? The buff on Song of Days is quite low so stacking furina's fanfare faster through maiden's might be closer than expected?

[@jamiekb9v]

i haven't done them but if someone does i'll be interested! from feelscrafting it seems getting enough ER is more relevant than having a support set

[@jasonseow89]

Can you get her Ulti up in time before floor is over? Or did u redo the abyss to make sure she has ulti up after clearing 12-1 / 12-2 ?

[@resurreccionjamesbernardd.775]

I’m just glad people use Lisa once again with hydro fireworks. Been the meta before with Xingqiu.

[@DomoNicoNii]

Is there anything specific about getting the whopperflowers to tp to you in 12-2-1? I've tried running to the other end, but sometimes they'll just tp in place.

[@xanthee_imr]

Leave some space in front of you to make them appear, otherwise they attempt to teleport, fail and go back to their place

[@jamiekb9v]

run across and inshallah

[@VincentIp-ky4qg]

Do you have to use fav sword on kazuha? Currently im using xiphos

[@BobDaManiac]

Seems good if you've got Neuv's sig weapon. Mine has proto amber, so figure fish/yae are prob better to add more damage as my neuv won't have your damage. The downside to this is Yae takes much more field time, but gives a second nuke and decent damage imo, fish is prob comparable in field time but both def require investment unlike lisa here.

[@zeosummers3984]

not suprising. wasn't lisa put up for people who didn't need a zhongli shield but you know how people feel about not having zhongli to hold them.

[@lunaRPG]

Wanted to try this out after seeing this on your stream but I lost my 50/50. Lisa's staying at level 20 for now.

[@jamiekb9v]

sorry to hear that 😔

[@RCGangstaZ]

I see the title and i instanly hope for saving my team for neuvi and have a good reason to play lisa BUT.... i don't have furina and kazu 😢(probably my next pull with Zongli and raiden) no sucrose too 😮‍💨.... Why not using her for hyperbloom in my case ? (Yaoyao is in tighnari spread...) Or meaby taser, idk if beter than xinqui+linette(no good anemo yet) and Layla

[@virustorpig5375]

Quick question is there any alternative for Furina for example Nahida in like Neuvillette hyperbloom?

[@LjCast-b6q]

I mean, there are replacements for her, but none of them really work

[@HaMinhKhang--]

Song of the days past can buff for neuvillette ?

[@Razor3000-u3f]

I was trying to find a reason to use Lisa for Alhaitham or Neuvi and then this video popped up lol I don't know man, I just like her playstyle. I might even get her to c4 one day if I get the chance.

[@idaho5934]

Thx Jamie for great idea, is maiden set will be ok? i farm set for Bennet in Furina teams.

[@jamiekb9v]

as mentioned in the build section, artifact set doesnt matter much you can use whatever you want

[@I.M.T.S]

Rosaria, Eula, Lisa, Bennett was my boss killer comp before Raiden replaced Lisa. I'd use the 4* ER set (the set now Gorou use, Exile?) with Prototype Amber. I haven't seen the video yet but I am guessing Maiden Lisa with full Er and Healing perhaps. Man, I want Arlecchino's weapon. Otherwise, I'd pull Neuvillette C1.

[@QQQQ51111]

vv shred+ Lisa a4 is huge

[@joranvanolphen9892]

Of course im a lisa enjoyer. I use her in a Tighnari, Yea and Baizhu team. Got her triple crowned, C6 on lost prayer 2attck2electro. Can comfortably hit 100.000 charged E.

[@alongbuildsgaming9938]

The only problem with Lisa is that her "E" skill doesn't drop energy >_< I find it really hard to only use Lisa on a team, needed another Electro for a smoother rotation.

[@rifarira9160]

Is it realistic to burst every rotation if lisa use ttds on hypercarry raiden team? How much er needed?

[@Viewer13128]

would lisa work for raiden+chevreuse team or is C6 Sara or bennett or xiangling still better than lisa?

[@jamiekb9v]

yeah unfortunately sara+bennett and sara+xiangling are better for raiden

[@schoolsucks4866]

Does Lisa’s A4 passive refreshes or trigger off-field even when the burst is there?

[@denden6316]

Does healing bonus work on proto amber's healing?

[@zedo-vn]

Does running no healer hurts Furina damage therefore also makes overall DPS the same or even worse?

[@vindruva9640]

Would hakushin ring on lisa be good if you have c2+ furina?

[@AloyImpact]

Hmmmmmmm this seems like a fun team.

[@duckmate8501]

Wait proto Amber's healing is based on the party max hp itself or the user max hp?

[@Tnscla]

I already built Charlotte for this team, that was a lot of resources... Maybe we will get a proper support for this role in Natlan, duno...

[@PhuocAn13]

does ER help Lisa if I only use burst?

[@IngvarGWT]

My go-to Neuvillette teams are Neu+Kazuha+Furina+Charlotte and Neu+Fischl+Kazuha+Childe Certainly Lisa would do okay

[@peoneer576]

Been wanting to use Lisa for a long time and this team is indeed very strong. How do you think it compares to using her in Haitham Quicken team?

[@jashinpantoja763]

I have zhongli but i might try this just to see if the def shred gives good damage

[@ahsan6686]

bruv how your Neuvillette at 41k hp with 320 cd mine is 300 cd but 35k hp tf

[@ForkMeeNoodle]

Neuvillette+Furina = Hydro advantage

[@josephjoestar303]

Any replacement for furina?

[@ZeR0W1]

What if my Neuvillette is already holding the Prototype Amber? I don’t have his signature or Sacrificial jade, is there something I can do with weapons(i.e make another prototype Amber, or give one of them a different weapon etc.) or should I just use a different character at this point?

[@pyae1]

You have 2 options 1. Use widsith on neuvillette 2. Use hakushin ring on lisa

[@ZeR0W1]

@@pyae1 I just read the other comment with the Widsith suggestion. Luckily I have an R5 Widsith. I just hope it doesn’t hurt his damage too much when I inevitably don’t get the 33% chance for dmg bonus. It’s be kinda nice to know how bad is the damage loss, but I can’t find a weapon chart that displays worst case scenario for Widsith, only averages

[@pyae1]

​@@ZeR0W1 I tested my Neuvillette in optimizer with prototype amber vs no passive widsith, widsith without passive is better by like 1k dps. Widsith with passive up surpasses even his signature by a mere margin tho with only a 33% chance. I would say you could use widsith if you are not facing energy issues

[@cadeemmusgrove7791]

I’m curious, why isn’t the damage increase closer to 15% instead of 8%? I was certain that if your Lisa was being compared to a healer unit (assuming they offered no unique buff), her defense shred would be a 100% multiplicative buff into your team’s true damage…. Unless, is res shred and defense shred additive? Can you fill me in?

[@jamiekb9v]

with the damage formula, def shred doesn't work quite like that. however it does scale better the more you stack, but at base it doesn't scale that high

[@nk30020]

I might go for C1 instead of signature & just use double proto amber with this team

[@coconut4648]

isn't maiden better for lisa since all we need is healing ?

[@mohamedahmedramzy792]

Well not everyone has kazuha ( lost my 50 50 in kazuha banner but got tome for neuvi... ) I wonder if Mona could do fine as a cope replacement or does it have to be a viridesent anemo like venti who I actually have....?

[@juanlife6255]

use lynnette or sucrose.

[@juanlife6255]

yes venti works to.

[@SpidyYT]

i run my neuvilette with prototype amber already so i thought of hakushin ring for lisa thats actually good

[@Fiction-pg7tp]

What the heck just happened...

[@b-ri10]

TAKE A MOMENT RIGHT HERE

[@desrtsku]

I've actually used that team in the current cycle because my Zhongli is busy on the other side. But I'm still not sure how to build her. I didn't even know Healing bonus affects Prototype Amber lmao (and I've been using Fav so far anyway).

[@jamiekb9v]

build tips is at 5:00

[@desrtsku]

@@jamiekb9v Yes, thanks. Currently working on that Prototype Amber build. Just deciding whether I wanna go ER/EM/EM or ER/EM/HB ... or ER/HP/HB (because I don't want her to die in one hit).

[@Ghabra_]

Thoughts on exile on Lisa? Assuming you can hit the er reqs

[@jamiekb9v]

lisa is the teammate with the most trouble getting burst so its not worth making it harder on her to help the other teammates

[@YueNagareboshi]

I have a question... If I only have 6 Catalyst Billets, I can't pull Neuvilette's signature weapon nor pay the battle pass... How should I distribute refinements of Prototype Amber to have the best results running this team?? Or Should I run Neuvilette with Widsith with the gambling effect?? Thanks in advance!!

[@jamiekb9v]

if your widsith is already refined and level 90 you should just use that on neuvillette, at least in the abyss. then just make 1 r5 prototype amber for lisa and also can give it to neuvillette in overworld/casual play 🤔

[@HiHelloHi]

I just got c1 Neuv and was thinking about Lisa as a 4th for this team

[@Glast04]

I’m definitely gonna build Lisa now once I’m done with Thoma 😆

[@AevyCh]

Speaking of DEF Shred, what about Razor C4? Does it stack with Lisa?

[@jamiekb9v]

it would but lisa's def shred is worth it cause it lasts long, big aoe, and off field, and she can heal on top. unfortunately small def shred isn't valuable enough by itself to replace common teammates

[@rizvirahat3930]

for a skill issue high ping player like me , playing neuvillette without shield is like fighting naked

[@satosoujirou]

what is this team best rotation?

[@bryanmatthew4546]

is 220 er lisa enough without fav?

[@BT-jg2xv]

Does furina need a healr at c2???

[@treeleven3316]

Reminds me how I play gorou on my Navia team he’s 1 talents and I really only play him because I have c6 and his talents slightly benefit Navia.

[@Wispy_Sama]

i have been using raiden instead since the release of nuevilliette

[@eclipseeffigy]

I'll be honest I have no clue how you get 62 energy back without spending any time on her. Seems like she needs the team to 1-rotate an entire chamber of many enemies to get enough particles. Though you did ascertain this team works in casual play, I find that hard to believe. Very nice team anyway; who'd have thought this would be what gives Lisa's fast anims an edge ovet Zhongli's everything else?

[@jamiekb9v]

i've played it a bunch on stream before in more casual settings, it works fine. also fav on kazuha can help!